Never Say I Didn’t Tell You… Brad Duncan on His Brother Greg Duncan
July 12, 2010
Question to all you WWDB IBOs: Did any Diamonds like Brad Duncan ever clarify Greg Duncan’s comments from stage about money, being debt-free, and paying for things in cash? In light of the spin in Brad’s voicemail about his brother’s financial difficulties, I would say the answer is no:
How long has Greg been having financial difficulties? 2008? Why was there no mention to WWDB IBOs? How much edification of Greg was occurring during this entire time?
In the voicemail, Brad also throws another former WWDB Diamond under the bus. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out! I wonder what the voicemail explaining Dean Kosage’s departure sounds like.
Update: Here’s the voicemail regarding Dean’s “termination” from WWDB.
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They aren’t growing that big I don’t think. How can you be a multi millionaire, but still be in bankruptcy? To me, I don’t think you can still refer to him as a millionaire if he’s in bankruptcy. He doesn’t have a million dollars.
This is a frocking voice mail? Who the hell needs to have voice mail account this day and age?
Thank God! The TRUTH about Jimmy Harstead finally revealed! So was he dealing with loan sharks?
It’s pretty revealing when people are encouraged to focus on eagle & double eagle instead of actually being profitable.
Wolgamott & Kosage leave, and Brad slams Greg and Jimmy Halstead. Can you say ripping apart at the seams?
Of course, those people didn’t “build the business properly like me”.
That’s what they said about Bo Short.
What a joke. Even when you hit the pinnacle, it’s not enough. Amway continues to rot away in North America.
The biggest lie is when he says he’s got no reason to lie. He certainly does! If people see WWDB for what it is, Brad might have to go back to work!
In spite of what he says, there are better things out there, and it’s NOT better than it’s ever been.
The corporation is only growing because of foreign growth. North America is in the toilet.
Private jets? The most in the world? So what? How does that help anyone?
Proof that self serving asshats still thrive in Amway!
Good comment. Regarding voicemail, I’m assuming this was a KATE/Amvox message sent downline. Good thing someone recorded it and produced that lovely video. Liked the Pinocchio graphics whenever Brad exaggerated the truth. Then again, he could have put Pinocchio across the entire video and I wouldn’t have complained.
This was a Kate to me and is about a year old. My wife and I were platinum in the business for about 4 years of our 10 years in WWDB. I gave up everything for the business and missed out on a large chunk of my life. I was as SOLD out as you could be putting everything that didnt line up with the vision of diamond aside including my wife.
I believe Im finally deprogrammed and able to really look at my experience with clarity. I dont blame current IBO’s for being so defensive as this is like an unscratched lotto ticket that they believe will all of their heart will one day rub off to reveal the winning numbers, but that day will never ever come.
As long as you listen to Kate and CD’s everyday the smoke screen remains in place and every word your upline tells you feels true. It wasn’t until I started missing functions, CD’s and Kate messages that I started to question…or as they put it “lose my dream”. What a crock.
Can anyone spell hypocrite? Greg Duncan used to say “stupid comes to mind” when he spoke of anyone being dumb enough to get a loan from the bank, with all the interest and all. Well, stupid comes to mind even more so when someone has a million dollar income and goes bankrupt. What I find hard to believe is how IBOs believe that the bankruptcy isn’t real.
It looks like WWDB is fractured. Hopefully they will implode amongst themselves. LOL
As far as it being Amvox or Kate, why not just create an audio file and email it to the group?
Oh, right.
No $$$$$ to be made from that I guess.
What a joke.
If you ever get close to Brad, he is not the happy-go-lucky funny guy you see on stage.
In truth, he is a very angry man and there are reasons for that. Listen closely to this recording and you’ll hear classic passive-aggressive behavior. This is nothing new with him and it is very sad.
The armor has really come off what I believe was once an organization of integrity. The leaders are now just trying to hang on – not to have it implode while they’re still around and in need of the cash.
Very sad.
Around 2006 Ron Puryear put out a challenge over the Kate vmail system to every leader at the Executive Diamond level and below …
Puryear said “leaders, show everyone it can be done … go double eagle with new people on the side of your current business”. This challenge was specifically for: Ruby’s, Emeralds, Diamonds, and Executive Diamonds
Everyone in WWDB, regardless of business size, heard this challenge and it was discussed by leadership for all to hear at major functions.
The likes of Dave Shores told everyone he was working though a list of 400 contacts and giving advise on how to show the “webtour” to new people … he was on his way to meet the challenge!!!
The challenge was a great plan by Ron Puryear as it would show all WWDB members that this is a matter of work habit and nothing more, but one small issue …
Guess how many of the leaders could meet the challenge? If you guess ZERO, you’re right.
We heard nothing more about the challenge nor was it ever discussed as a lessons learned, they just pretended it never happened.
All this to say, it helped me see the WWDB leadership was lost and was so focused on getting us to buy tools because they don’t know what they’re doing anymore.
That was 2006, it’s only feel through the floor for them from there.
Shocking, isn’t it? We joined in the mid 90′s and heard over and over and nauseatingly over and over again how one diamond showed the plan to 7 business associates – 6 got in and went direct.
Oh, boy that’s doable over and over. I dared to ask the queston, “So, why doesn’t he just keep doing that over and over again and prove to us it wasn’t just a fluke.”
Big mistake. Keep you mouth shut, Little Missy, if you know what’s good for you.
Really? That’s how you ‘discuss’ an issue? Can’t stand the heat, so just shut off the questions.
I used to ask everyone who was in a constant state of diamond adoration, why, if going diamond was a simple as a decision, why don’t the diamonds decide to go double diamond. After all, it’s doable in 2-5 years.
If you dared question anything you heard from stage, you’re committment was questioned.
Now, there’s transparency for you. It’s all on the up and up. Amway great. Job bad. Gag me.
We asked the great Oz, er, Greg Duncan, why, after years of doing exactly everything he told us to do times 10, weren’t we diamonds already.
His reply? I don’t know. I guess we’ll just have to ask God about that.
WHAT?????
You, oh great and powerful OZ, don’t have the answer?
That’s right, folks, the upper pins don’t have the answer. They have done nothing different than you to get those pins. It was purely by chance that they got people to join,
Dave Severn said once you sponsor 50 businesses, you’re done. We did that and – nothing. Not even directs.
I took everything they said as gospel. What a fool I was.
BTW, why hasn’t Dave S. gone double diamond? Hmmm…………….his downline is Greg Duncan. Bet that leg has seen better days.
If Greg Duncan were ever to leave the business, couldn’t Dave S. inherit Greg’s downline and go Double Diamond?
In my group, the leaders said the same thing, how they would be going out to show the plan and go double, triple, etc. Diamond. None of them did it. Over on the MonaVie-front, ex-Amway Diamond Brig Hart is saying on-stage that his system will create 2000 new Diamonds in the next year. Yeah, right. Good luck on that.
That my big beef, in particular with WWDB diamonds. They have never been held accountable for anything.
You would think that after all these years, I’d be over it already, but I’m not. I still feel strong anger over being fooled for so long.
Didn’t encourage daughter to go to college b/c of crap said over and over on stage, i.e., PhD = piled higher and deeper. The diamonds spent a huge amount of time slamming jobs and having a boss. Someday they will be held accountable.
The audience often did as they were strongly advised – quit jobs to build the biz, flushed educations for the same, eschewed spouses who weren’t drinking the Kool-Ade with you, dismissed friends and family who weren’t willing to go to the pit with you, and on and on.
If you dared step out of ‘line’ even slightly, you were boote from meetings, ice-cream socials, etc.
We got invited (faint) to a midnight ice-cream social after sitting all damn day at family reunion in Portland. Oh, goody, I get to grovel at the feet of these asses for hours on end. Can we say exhaustion?
I get there and the oh-so-lucky invitees are licking the boots of the diamonds. Made me sick. Then we had the priviledge of listening them drone on for hours about leadership, etc.
I just not that into you. I was so disgusted by the who charade. Let me go get some sleep already before I have to come back here and cheer like a dumbass for every word you say for 12 hours on stage.
@aurora I couldn’t agree with you more. My wife and I were in WWDB for 10 years and everything got neglected chasing the “dream”. We gave up friends that weren’t going in the same direction (and thought less of them for having bbq’s, jobs and fun), family that talked negative, vacations and our own business. We were the biggest of the bootlickers. ALL we did was live, breath and eat the business. Everything, and I mean everything took a back seat to the business. Every night we were out prospecting or showing the plan. 10 @#$%$% years!! I cant imagine how farther along we would be, the relationships that would still be in place. We made it to platinum status and then became like little gods and had people licking our boots, sticking microphones in our faces as if we had something grand to say. JOKE. We have been out of the business for about 3 years now and I still get worked up about how fooled we were.
Ken;
I get red-hot pissed when someone tells me to just ‘move on.’ Move on? It’s always from someone whose kids and/or spouses were not affected. You can easily ‘move on’ from things that you had no or very little investment in. A lack of a decent and furthered education will affect daughter for the rest of her life.
To which some will say, why doesn’t she just go back to school? O.K, divorced single mom working full tme. She simply must be there for child since ex isn’t. And yes, the child comes before the education otherwise it’s no different than Amway telling you the same.
They actually said from stage many times that if your kids don’t support you, tell them to go sleep at the stores that they do support. What a bunch of dumb asses. Meanwhile, have you looked at the lives of many of these diamond and emerald kids? What a bunch of losers.
Drug addictions, bizaar livestyles, etc.
Years ago, Greg Duncan bragged from stage how he bought his son a Hummer for his 16th b-day. Can we say short term sacrifice for long term gain? In what way, exactly? It was so disgusting. What the hell did his son do to deserve a Hummer?
And the best one? He went on about the college his son would attend. I could have died.
They do not practice what they preach.
I consider myself an intelligent thoughtful individual and still can’t believe I fell for this crap.
I hope the internet brings them down. But it looks like the economy is having an impact. What does that tell you? People were using discretionary $ and credit to keep ordering tons of crap they didn’t need. Well, that money is gone. Sucks to be a diamond now.
Also, one more thing. After years of them talking about how they were free from jobs, etc., they were still working their asses off showing the plan. Some retirement.
When I retire, I will not have to show up for one more thing ever.
you should try asking about Paul Tsika , he is a very bad guy who use’s faith to lord over you . He is a complete hypocrite and has bed other pastor daughters OMG what does that say about WWDB for covering this up or worse allow paul to talk about marriage ?
I used to think greg duncan was one of the few who was not into the cult like behavior I saw in WWDb , but he suddenly became just like them . I watched him not stand up for diamonds that where so upset with how wwdb was being run that they left wwdb. Greg would always tell them ” you are right wwdb is off track but I need more of you to get big enough on management team to make a change ” but that was all a lie … he let them all stand up on management team and take a stand and he would let them get hammered… then I hear he does not even call them after they have left … he seems to be all about the money… and will not take a stand for anyone.
But brad is even worse ! he mocks anyone who does not listen or follow him , Dean said recently he had fallen into that trap . makes sense he grew up learning from brad , and dean is telling folks he is having to d program from leading in that same style for so long. At least we see some of our heros leaving wwdb and trying to get their feet back on the ground … we should be happy about that because this all helps to give wwdb the hit they need to change.
@The Cult how do you know this about Paul Tsika? Don’t get me wrong it wouldn’t surprise me. My wife and I had a personal meeting with him at a go diamond and he came across as so arrogant. Of course at the time we chalked it up as hard love and just part of the process as rising leaders in the business. Looking back I really don’t think he cared that much. Just doing his job as the man representing god for wwdb.
@ ken oh that one is simple about paul tsika, I heard it from some IBO’s at first then by accident I attended a church in california where the current pastor there found out I knew Paul Tsika.
I was talking about how Dean had opened m eyes to the cult like nature of wwdb years ago when i got out. I am very thankful to dean for this btw.
The pastor then told me how he used to live with Paul as a child because he was friends with pauls children and how controlling and manipulative he was.
Then he talked about how the ran Paul Tsika out of the state one night because he had committed adultery with another pastors daughter that he was counselling!!!
He told me it was more then one time with many of the young girls and some of the fathers where coming after him at night to hurt him. So paul fled in the middle of the night , and since then has tried to rebuild his following but was such a outcast as the word spread about him he was forced to work with MLM companies !
This guy is horrible and there is a group of women who just contacted me who want to blog about him so get ready he is the next hot topic… plus using faith and GOD to get people to stay in amway is horrible!
OH GOOD , I just had my friend call me and tell me people are finally talking about Paul Tsika online and what a scum he is. Since the whistle was blown on him last year he has written a book and admits he had a ” moral failure ” code for slept with pastors daughters and drugging them.
It is about time people expose this man. He has cost many women their marriages.
what a perfect fun thing to hear as I get ready for work. I will pass it own to my girl friends that the time is finally here.
Back on topic. Where is Dean’s “fruit”? Thecult made a claim of him helping hundreds of thousands and I call bull on that claim.
Back on topic ? We where on topic when was this blog about dean? I personally thought dean was a very kind guy who was always there to offer help to anyone despite their pin level.
We are talking about Paul Tsika who I found to be very controlling and someone who cheated on his wife with pastors daughters.
Thank you Cult for helping to blow the whistle on Paul.
I also wanted to say I find your posting to be very funny as you keep people on point and you do not allow them to make racist comments.
I admire that because when you are upset it is easy to make those type of comments. We all do it sometimes , however they are wrong and just our own anger shining through. I like the fact you seem to want to give people the chance to change. You also remind us to not jump to false assumptions as to peoples intentions.
Ken
We walked away feeling he was a hired hand for wwdb not a pastor.
My story of meeting with Paul Tsika sounds like yours
Brad Duncan has lost all his big legs by trying to control their lives. He thinks all of the women need to be like his wife. She seems very nice , I do not know how she deals with him.
Brad has blown out his dads leg who sold it to him, Brad w leg , Deans leg , 5 emerald legs.
It does not seem that brad knows how to share the spotlight.
happy girl thank you for the kind words !
I am glad to hear the word is getting out about Paul Tsika and him sleeping around.
I have seen him work as a strong arm for wwdb and it is just sad. Tell your friends to blog about Paul as well lets help save some folks from him!
@joe
seriously now you want this blog to be about dean? You are appearing to be a ambulance chaser looking to up your blog ratings.
Why do you not stick to the topic of this blog and brad duncan?
happy girl makes a point brad has lost a ton of his bigger pins due to blowing them out.
Dear Happy Girl;
Now wait a minute. You are chastizing me on the dino blog for outing dino’s behaviour; and yet you are doing the very same thing to Brad Duncan.
What gives?
If I said my experiences with Brad D. were/are good and you must be mistaken, I’d be no different than you on dino’s page.
Double standard? Or just you giving your personal experience. I think you are giving us your honest assessment of Brad. I have no beef with that nor would I challenge you on those experiences. But, can you see how that happens?
@Aurora… nice call!! I’ve also noticed that The Cult is outing Paul Tsika on this blog yet chastising us on Dean’s blog.
Happy Girl and The Cult’s motto: “Do as I say, not as I do.”
I have a feeling the cult and happy girl are the same person. They (or he/she is) are making accusations with zero proof. Honestly this is a tactic used to discredit this entire thread. They could have even been hired by Greg for reputation management. If a person can take this thread in another direction and start talking about some crazy accusations then we all look stupid which will undermine the entire conversation. Just my thoughts. If there is any proof to Tsika’s infidelity and the “ran him out of town” then why does he have a giant ranch in the same town called restoration ranch that is for helping married couples. I’m not saying it couldn’t happen but put up or shut up.
Let’s reiterate then. Greg Duncan was involved in chapter 7 bankruptcy and there are public documents to prove it. It also showed that Greg lied about buying homes in cash and he used to say people who took out loans were stupid.
Greg took out loans – therefore?
Cult;
Do you even realize you are responsible for keeping all these blogs alive and kickin’? This thing would have died a long ago if you hadn’t come in here on your white horse.
Ken , you can read Paul Tsika book yourself if you would like. I am not defending Greg Duncan on this post or brad duncan. Yes I am for sue trying to now expose Paul Tsika. I thought that was why this blog existed. Do you think that talking about Paul is somehow now helping Greg? It would do the opposite because Greg use’s Paul all the time. All I knew about Brad and Greg was them telling us to use Paul for marriage advice. Knowing what I now know about Paul from my own ears from my local pastor I am upset that WWDB was not transparent about what Paul Tiska did.
I did not deal with Greg duncan so I cannot talk about him. I have no idea about his money situations.
Why would you now accuse me of something , if anyone on these post appears to be the same person it would be the same 3 folks who where blogging for months.
My husband and I are not happy with how we where asked to get marriage advice from this guy.
Paul was run out of california not texas ken.
We are only upset because of the lack of transparency, about Paul if he has turned his live around ok. Now even paul is coming out with it in his new book !
No, ‘the same three posters’ have not been blogging for months. My first post appears Dec. 20, 2010. It hasn’t even been one month yet.
You are doing exactly what you accused us of doing on the dino blog. You are posting your personal experiences. Who are we to dispute your experiences?
We would like the same respect, please.
I’ve posted a new blog post where I look into the identities of The Cult and Happy Girl. Are they simply different faces of Dean Kosage himself?
http://amthrax.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/the-cult-happy-girl-and-susan-miller-dean-kosage-you-decide/
Has there been anymore news on Duncan’s bankruptcy?
Haven’t heard anything.
I just relistened to Brad Duncan (sitting on the steps w/Julie) talking about Greg’s situation.
I was stunned when he said, “he’s gone bankrupt on just about every single thing he owns.”
Brad said Greg lost all his homes in Whitefish. Wow.
We were in Whitefish (I think this was one of the Eagle or Double Eagle goals we had hit or something) and we never saw his homes. We hadn’t earned THAT honor yet.
We played volley ball during the day and that night we, the lowly but very lucky ones, got to sit around a table outside (it was absolutely freezing) and listen to him drone on for hours about the greatness of wwdb. Seriously? Can I get back to you on that? I can’t feel me feet any more and my fingers are too numb to see if it’s frostbite.
Couldn’t wait to get back to our hotel room.
I remember thinking, “What is wrong with me? Do I not get it? I’m not digging this at all.”" Watching people salivate over others was so disappointing.
For the ambot who will come on here and say I was just jealous, let me say this:
I’m old enough to have lived in a non-Kardashian world, a world w/o Jersey Shore and Snookie; and I’m telling you, it was heaven.
I was never a follower. I always stayed to myself and I’m perfectly comfortable with that. I used to stand back and watch (at our high school) kids make fools of themselves trying to be part of the in-crowd. What a waste.
It is sad to hear, all these years later, how the ‘stars’ lives are nothing.
No person or idea stays hot forever. Everyone ages and if we don’t have something more than money or looks, heaven help us.
I’d like to hear an explanation of how a triple diamond could go bankrupt. I also wonder whether Greg was at “Dream Night” this year showing off pictures of mansions and cars and telling downline to “get it done” so they can also have those luxuries.
The internet is having an impact, for sure; but those on stage will claim it doesn’t. Sticking their heads in the sand will not stop the truth from getting out.
My guess: the internet and the economy are making things a little difficult.
Many people will read these posts, but won’t necessarily write.
I would love to hear the spin on the bankruptcy, especially in light of Brad’s video. It would be tough to deny.
Amazing, but the hard core IBOs do deny the bankruptcy, even when there are public documents to confirm it.
And not one ambot will touch this Brad Duncan video. Wonder why that is????
Hey I see that you have so much anger against the system because of how it has affected your life, but some of the basic principals in those books still hold. What I mean is your letting all this anger affect you, instead of just ignoring the topic all together. Now other than whoever you write too, the only person that this anger and blogging hurts is you. As is told in church, you have free will, so choose not to talk about it. Not to think about it, and focus on what you can change. Your future. If you are, then great! That means if you stop blogging here, and let go of all the anger, then you won’t have anything holding you back. This technically applies to everyone here, so I hope you get the point. State your belief and be done with it. Savvy? YOU CAN MOVE ON! If you could get so high as a pin in this business, then why not use that same ethic in whatever you do now? Being positive is still an agreed upon fact to having a better life, so I hope you take this advice.
hey I guess anything good on these post will be deleted as they already have. tsk tsk. aurora you should question this site regulators. Earlier I wrote a clear,logical truthful comment on how to help you, yet he deletes it. That’s sad. Because as I will repeat, you should quit writing on these blogs as it only keeps that anger in your heart. Just stop thinking or writing about it and move on with your life. As god gave you free will, it is your choice, just like quitting whatever businesses you were in. You have stated your belief and its easy to understand, so don’t keep building your anger. Let it go.
This applie sto everyone here with a negative purpose for being here(which means talking negative about anything here weather it be about their past or not). unless you are also doing something to help change things for a better, this is just unproductive and holds you back from whatever you are doing in your current life. That’s why I’m writing this, cause there’s no other reason for this site to exist then, unless someone gives more links to more information and everyone who writes something claiming negativity gives sources at least once. The sit isn’t even checked by m caffe yet. So I hope you all make great decisions.
Shaun and Joeb (both coming from the same IP address): Your comment about anger against the system was not deleted, it was sent to moderation.
shaun an joeb are one and the same. dino minions.
Once again, we are mean old ogres who just need to quit ‘thinking’ about it and do something constructive.
These ‘two’ are going to be fun. Savvy?
Yeah, it’s obvious when all these posts come just minutes apart and say almost exactly the same thing… “hey, stop posting on this site (because it’s killing Dean’s cause) and be a better human being!”
I wonder if they are posting from Encinitas, CA again. I’ll put my money on it being The Cult that can’t stay away from the site.
Again, Ambots;
We have a few questions of our own.
What do you have to say about this Brad Duncan video about Greg Duncan? Care to elaborate?
Or do you even know how to answer a question anymore? No CASSETTE TAPE speak allowed.
I wonder if Shaunjoeb got permission from his upline to say those things? As we all know the “minions” or “bottom of the pyramid” cannot say or do anything that is not pre-approved by their upline. He must not have listened to CD about blind obedience to the “life coach” enough times. How hilarious is it that grown men and women worship these life coaches? They will do whatever the life coach says no matter what the cost and then sit back and make fun of people that have normal money paying 9-5 jobs like they are the ones in captivity. “Dream big” as long as its what your life coach wants you to dream about. These guys dont see that they are ones in 24/7 captivity to their uplines and life coaches!!!
I think The Cult/Dean has turned into a lurker on the site. Either that, or he’s moved to Hawaii, where the IP addresses are originating from.
first off, i think stating where my address is from may violate some laws per state as far as privacy is concerned.
Second, I never have been to California or was ever in dean’s group.
third, only right after i had posted as shaun did my post( that was in moderation) get posted after waiting. and i reloaded the page just in case to check right before i posted as shaun.
fifth,yes my up line said I could and trust my own judgment, as I make my own decisions anyway.
fourth, you ignored what i said and just manipulated and twisted my words. I was not defending them(and whatever cult in cali your talking about). I said stop blogging and do something else better with your time that is productive. That’s plain English. You understand it. You just don’t want to agree with inerrant logic.
To put it even more simply(not that it is necessary as your all intelligent) blogging about anything in a negative way(ranting,flaming,etc) does not have any benefit. It is BAD. So if it is bad, then you should stop. simple. So if you just want to disrespect me when I’m telling you the truth, then that is your decision as of now. But don’t lie and twist what I said. that will just show how lame you are.
FYI – It violates no state laws to post what IP address you’re at, it’s a public IP anyways. But that not what Amthrax did. And merely saying the state you live in is even less illegal. Heck, I wouldn’t even classify that as being morally wrong.
Thanks for your insight, but we’ll happily blog about what we want, beneficial to you in your opinion or not. However, I have a feeling these blogs do benefit many, just not those that are in any shady MLM and their “system”. Happy trails!
Shaunjoeb said: “fifth,yes my up line said I could and trust my own judgment, as I make my own decisions anyway”.
Wait a minute. Your asked your upline and they said you could and then you made your own decision? Priceless!!
That is AWESOME!!!! My upline said I could!! I cannot stop laughing right now. You made my day. What else did you ask for permission to do from your life coaches?
Shaunjoeb to upline, “how many sheets of toilet paper may I use?”
Upline, “great question shaunjoeb, and of course I have the best answer since I am a great leader and life coach while you cannot do anything outside of my help…. fire up!!!! My answer is ……. 2 squares unless it was a white knuckler and then I will allow you to use 4 squares.”
Does that sound about right shaunjoeb?
You make your own decisions after your upline tells you what your decision will be just like when you asked them if you could post on here. Your awesome, I hope you keep posting on this sight and don’t run away from here like all the other TEAM/Monavie slappy’s do.
Ohhhhh, SNAP!!!
Shaunjoeb, did you put your fourth argument after the fifth argument for any particular reason? Is there supposed to be an emphasis added to point the fourth point? Again, this is great and please keep up the good work.
Maybe, you could invite your upline to participate with us on this blog? I’m sure they will since they are just sitting around in their PJ’s working from home living the American dream (isn‘t that the promise that‘s given if you follow the system). I would love to get some wisdom from some of the greatest leaders of our present day.
Will an ambot explain Brad Duncan’s video talking about Greg Duncan’s 3rd bankruptcy?
Anyone. Any ambot?
wow looks like u guys cant listen to anyone unless they completely agree with you.lol then u twist it to make yourselves seem like you have the upper hand. Hilarious.
Is anyone surprised Brad’s video will not be discussed by IBOs?
Looks like “right”‘s post is being moderated, but he says:
“wow looks like u guys cant listen to anyone unless they completely agree with you.lol then u twist it to make yourselves seem like you have the upper hand. Hilarious.”
I’d like to respond to that now vs waiting for it to make the blog.
What’s hilarious is that you don’t think we do have the upper hand. Most, if not all, of us have been in the forest and were blinded by the trees of MLMs and their “systems” at one point. Once we were out and got older and wiser, we are able to evaluate what we were in and how things worked, or should I say didn’t work.
Strip is all down and what they preach and promise you isn’t true for the masses, it’s that simple. It’s just a way for them to make $ from the dreams of people that mostly don’t have the skill sets, time or $ do the same as they are all taught to duplicate. The theory is nice and that’s what sells it, but where the rubber meets the road, 99% of all IBOs end up failing and a 99% failure rate isn’t anything to praise about, even if you are part of the 1%.
I totally understand where some of you guys are coming from, spending blood, sweat and tears for numerous years and not getting to where you wanted to be, and then being mad for being “fooled” for so long.
Not any different in anything else. I was a baseball prospect chasing dreams for a long time that got dashed the same manner, except I got hurt. I gave up a lotta things chasing that dream as well. I had a lotta friends that got drafted in high rounds in different sports who’s careers ended abruptly as well without reaching their ultimate dreams.
You just gotta learn how to deal with it. No different in this business.
can i ask how u know of the tools scam and a reliable source for it please? This site would be so much better if it required sources for facts stated. Noone seems to put much links
Jimbo;
I take it you are in amway. Good luck.
right;
Take a hike. We list facts all the time and your ilk chooses not to believe them. Our experiences are facts.
Tools scam? Here’s my experience, but I’m sure my experience will be dismissed by those still in the business. Our upline Emerald’s secretary accidentally put in their purchase order of Standing Order tapes for product pick up. Our upline Emerald was paying like $2 or $3 per tape and selling them to downline (us) for the standard $6 a tape. That’s $3 – $4 profit per tape.
Have 100 standing order in your business and that’s $300 – $400 per WEEK and that’s just if that week was a single tape… since it was a single tape one week then a double the next. So take a month’s glance at minimum – $300 week 1, $600 week 2, $300 week 3, $600 week 4 – that’s about $1800 PER MONTH pure profit from Standing Order tape alone. Figure out 26 weeks a year at $300 profit and 26 weeks a year at $600 profit and that’s $23,400 pure profit per year. It’s no wonder why they INSISTED and made you to feel guilty to be on Standing Order if you wanted to be taken seriously.
Sure, the tapes were inspirational etc, but if they were trying to sell this as training tools to make a business better then why not give these tools to their business owners at the same price to all business owners. I can understand the system making a profit from the tapes, but individual business owners taking their share of the profits? That’s just wrong.
see thats what i mean. You get all defensive when i ask a basic legit question. And experiences are only facts if they have reliable intel, not he said she said stories.
I mean come on, show me a fact, it simple. I’m not saying your all lying but it really makes you seem like a liar when you have nothing at all to back you up. If its true then there has to be a source somewhere that at least one of you can provide.
You dont list facts n your experience arent defined as facts til they are proven. Logic. So dont disrespect me when i never did anything to you.
Right;
Are books written by the survivors of the Holocaust factual? Or are they just he said-she said?
Since your’e so focused on ‘facts,’ why don’t you set us straight on this Brad Duncan video about his brother Greg’s bankruptcy?
Folks, Right is simply the next minion thrown at us by his upline to clog up this site.
If we showed him an outside thermometer that showed it was 98 degrees, he’d ask us to prove it, to back it up with facts.
These farts don’t want facts. This is a game to them.
see even more ignorance. Im not even in the business idiot. All you did was make yourself look stupid and assume and twist information which discredits you even more. The holocaust. Hmm its called historical evidence such as pictures with first hand testimonies and documented information. What you say is fact is just.” Oh its a scam and this happened to us, but no one somehow in the whole world has anything other than thier story.” that not how facts work.
But again if it did happen, then there has to be evidence, other than a blog site which mcaffe hasnt even checked yet. Smh
find and show me evidence or stfu. You talk negative about something when you can atleast back up your claims a lil bit.
and im not defending the duncans. Im asking for one of you to show even a shred of accurate info. Simple logical moral correct.
I have lots of evidence of what TEAM has done to me, too bad I won’t be showing you unless you are an attorney???!!! You must not have read all of the posts under ex team. Either you are someone trying to take away the legitimacy of what you are reading, or you were told we were losers and whiners who are negative and didn’t want to do the work….. I think $100,000+ income before taxes proves we did the work. Also you would know us if you were on TEAM as we were on stage all over the country……….so we did do the work and we made it!!! By the way my time is to valuable so I will not waste my time on unimportant questions, or character attacks. If you have a legitimate question I may answer…. ????? we will see…..
Jimbo, got where we wanted to be, $100,000+ before expenses, and had it stolen…..
Folks this is one more cult mindset tactic they teach you ….. critics didn’t get where wanted to cause they didn’t do the work…. losers, don’t want to do the work.blah blah
If someone is reading this search out my posts on ex-team commenting
Also I refuse to waste my valuable time, arguing with someone with no facts. Have fun.
ahhh and now excuses come into play. Hmmm only your attorney!? Well i guess there is facts after all. Its just closed off to everyone who post here and yet if it was available to see, then there wouldnt be any arguments on any site. Now my next question which is as vaulable as any, is why do you guys make it so difficult to find? If you just showed it, end of story. I would appreciate and thankyou for giving a real comeback. Btw i will be reading those post u mentioned and hopefully find a fact.
You have no idea what it is like to have your whole life stolen from you, go broke, because of what some millionares using thought reform, did to you. And then be asked by you, someone I do not trust and I do not know,in a public forum, to expose your identity to them and to be abused all over again.Do you not know if I show the world then I will be at risk of more false slander, and financial attacks???? Get a clue. Go read Eric Schriebler’s Merchants of Deception book, you can find it for free if you look hard enough and then come back. You may understand then, the fear. I will not take abuse from you or anyone else trying to devalue my experience.. Good luck, sorry for you if you don’t take the warnings. By the way why don’t you show us the facts of the position you are trying to defend?
um okay. First i did not mean to offend you and dont understand how showing that information could allow me to abuse you???
If anything that would be the holy grail of proof. I would thankyou and then support you by actually knowing there are facts. Also if people were to know your id then what. How would they slander your name if your not even in that business any more?
Also my position is the truth. Majority of post here are repeats of the same thing with no evidences or links to any site that has evidences. Thats why im trying so hard to get one of you for once to stop just ranting about your situations and actually do something. You want to stop people from getting into hell, then take action. Do something that actually works.
But either way ty for replying and i will try to find that book so that i can comphrehend your pov better.
Who the F are you to be telling people to STFU? What exactly have YOU added to this discussion? Nada. You are what’s known as a “troll”. Pathetic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
Comments like yours only add to the scamminess of this scam.
Um…being offensive seems to be your raison d’etre. Your position is not the truth; you don’t even have a discernible position.
“Thats why im trying so hard to get one of you for once to stop just ranting about your situations”
That’s a very odd course of action for someone who claims to have no vested interest in the subject matter. WTF do you care if people talk about their experiences? If it bothers you so much, don’t read them. Simple enough, right?
Right. You mentioned that the Holocaust had first hand testimony and was historically documented but this was AFTER THE WAR. You understand that what these people are sharing ARE first hand testimonies? Whether you believe them or not is irrelevant because you have never been involved, so you haven’t EXPERIENCED what they have experienced. It rings true to any body who’s life has been destroyed by TEAM and I am sure that any hard evidence they have will come out, in time.
These people are still in fear of those that run TEAM but are slowly building their courage to stand up to them. That is why they are sharing their “truths” and they have only just begun. This is all a process for them and it would serve you well to respect it. It is in incredibly poor taste for you to come on here and dictate how this process should work. This is not, as you say “an argument” on the internet, this is people mourning the loss of years of their lives, their trust and their money.
Also, these commenters have posted on the Juice Scam site and there has been feedback from readers that they will not be “joining” TEAM because of what these people have to say, so, that in and of itself is a highly productive use of their time.
“Experiences are only facts if they have reliable intel, not he said she said stories.”
So you don’t believe ANYTHING you hear from ANYONE unless they have definitive proof of some kind? So a simple scenario here, paralleling your [whacked] thought process.
You’re hanging around 2 other buddies from school and they are saying the following “hey, Bob Smith kissed my girl in PE today, right in front of me!!” and then your other buddy says “ya, Bob Smith grabbed my girlfriend’s ass in lunch line today too. I saw it and so did 5 other people”.
Would you tell them to STFU unless they had proof? Would you tell them what they saw would be much more interesting if they had proof ? If you went and talked to these 5 witnesses and they verified the ‘experience’ would you believe them since they all saw the same thing? Or would you call them liars unless they had pictures or a video? If you talked to say 5 other people that didn’t see it happen, would you be more inclined to believe them because it simply fits your way of thinking more?
You see, just because you don’t witness something or there isn’t physical proof somewhere, doesn’t mean that it isn’t the truth or didn’t happen to the person.
We’ve all experienced aspects of the business, just like your buddies girlfriend’s experienced Bob Smith. Have all girlfriend’s had that same experience with Bob Smith? No. But you are on here saying that unless you have proof that Bob Smith did that to your girlfriends then STFU. Who bestowed the honor to you of getting to dictate what people talk about.
I feel sorry for anyone you associate with. No one can ever tell you a story of something happening in their life or an experience they had with someone or something without you belittling them or telling them to shut up unless they have evidence. Well, unless it fits your needs or beliefs and suits you.
And you better not be telling anyone either of things that happen to you unless you have pictures, links or a 100% sure way of proving it. God forbid!!
Right can’t prove he exists. I say he’s Cult, Happy Girl, dino, or Ry Ry. He can’t prove he’s not.
Jimbo…Jimbo
I beg to differ, it is WAY DIFFERENT, unless of course your ” dream of your baseball career” was taken from you by lies, deception, and corruption.
Thanks for understanding though!
You coming here being so understanding and all, wouldn’t happen to be a part of a “master plan” by some PC counsel agenda, would it?
Just a simple question. Good luck with all your dreams!
No wonder, our upline wanted to get Emerald done at ANY COST.
No wonder, they teach “Standing order is minimum wage.”
No wonder my upline used to bark at us if we did not send out a tool order every week….and God should only save you if you did not take the time out and browse the list of tools available and order extra tools every week in addition to your standing order count.
No wonder if somebody ordered a bunch of extra cds, they would be promoted as the next big thing and their tool order email would be forwarded to be everybody else to motivate them to order more tools as well.
No wonder, we never received any refund on over $2K worth tools we returned.
FYI – I don’t think @Right is any of those people.
okay well if you just said that in the first place about them fearing and slowly but surely coming together to actually do something, i would have ended my convo earlier. Also refering to my holcaust resource. You forgot to mention i said with pics. Hard proof of the holocaust. But anyways okay i see your point. Just try to make it more clear so those in those businesses do understand. And btw im noot any of those people.
Also the reason i also care to read these is if people were just lying and spreading negative, they should be stopped. Now after getting a better discription do i see this is not a lie and can be continued. Either way i hope you guys take action together and quickly. Do not fear TEAM and believe if everything your saying is correct that there is a way to win and finally prove this to the world. There shouldnt be anything else to fear if they already messed you up so much. Legally they cannot do anything now. You know what to do so i hope you all decide to.
It doesn’t matter where you pose the challenge about this Brad Duncan video on his brother Greg Duncan, not one IBO will touch it.
Wonder why they is? Too ‘factual’ for ‘em?
Hey, Right, it’s even on video. Is that ‘picture’ enough for you?
Ask your upline for ALL previous CASSETTE TAPES from 1995 – 2002. The ‘facts’ will blow your mind. My guess is they have destroyed as many of them as possible. Too much proof of what they said. Too many of those diamond and emerald tapes where the diamonds and emeralds no longer exist. Kind of embarrassing, huh? Guess they didn’t get the ‘residual income’ they were banking on.
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welli said what i had to say, and if want to ignore the fact that i already said im not defending them and am not in that business thats all on you. Im a person who researches for answers and not a troll. You need alot more evidence to believe this fully such as real pics and such because this afffects so many people and the majority are against the beliefs here vs the situation of bob in an earlier comment. Something such as this requires major legal action vs bob doing a misdemeanor. May god bless you somehow someway because you all need it. Also i do backup what i say with evidences such as videos or whatever when i tell or mmostly show people stories.
Sinserily right.
Right;
Would youcare to comment on Brad Duncan telling the world about Greg’s third bankruptcy?
Silly Rabbit – way to pick a post from almost 3 months ago to comment on, loser. WWDB didn’t help with our retirement plan, although we sure helped out theirs. Thanks for your useless insight.
right – yu English suk.
Bi, amdroid
Oh, and yeah, sure you back up almost all your stories with videos or “whatever”. It’s really easy just to say that. Prove it, hypocrite.
There are public documents verifying that Greg Duncan was in chapter 7 bankruptcy proceedings. His income was listed as $500K from Amway and $500K from tools and functions. A nice income but not one that can sustain several mansions, jets and other luxuries and certainly he did not buy all these items in cash.
okay can u give me a link to these public documents so i may read them. If it shows his income from amway and tools that is more than enough evidence to back up whateveryone here has been saying. Why didnt one of you just post this earlier? Btw im also reading that pdf book someone here mentioned.
http://www.amquix.info/duncan_bankrupt.html
http://www.amquix.info/pdfs/wwdb/Duncan/Doc_16_assets.pdf
right
Great you will find the read insight, and disturbing I am sure of it. You also might want to check out Pyramid Scheme Alerts site, Juicescam for more education, Rick Ross site and Steve Hassan, Freedom of Mind Centers information and his books. This should give you a real education.
JoeCool;
What is the bottom line of those documents? Brad Duncan, Greg’s brother, say on the voice mail, this is the 3rd time Greg has gone bankrupt on ‘jut about everything he owns.’
Does he still have a lot of income/property?
Aurora, I don’t know what became of Greg Duncan’s financials after the proceedings. The fact is though, that he does not buy homes in cash. A diamond’s income is not all it’s promoted to be as well. A valid question is why Greg needed a million dollar loan from Amway? Couldn’t Brad Duncan, a big Amway crown or whatever, simply take out his checkbook and give Greg a million or two?
finally. Thankyou for actually sourcesing something. I’d appreciated more earlier, but the questions have been answered and thats what counts.
Wait a minute. Didn’t I hear one of Greg Duncan’s tapes that he used to in some way counsel the President of the U.S.? I also think he was introduced that way as a speaker. But I want to say he was a financial counselor for the President? God, if so I don’t know even know where to begin to explain the hypocrisy and jokes explaining why the U.S. is in debt as it is.
Really? $900,000 in jewelry and furs? How many homes and property? And then you get to just declare bankruptcy? Seriously, people like this need to be shot and exterminated. Soooo many people looked up to him as being a financial “god”. What a joke and scam it really all is.
Greg Duncan was counsel for the president of Greg Duncan Enterprises. LOL
Amdroid;
Yes, Greg Duncan was introduced as an advisor to the President of the U.S. He was also referred to as a ‘walking computer,’ whatever that was supposed to mean.
hey i have a new question considering the direct platinum profit of tools such as tapes. Since amway worked with the state of hawaii and produced a new document for a businesses, it is to state that they recieve no profits from any tools or products sold. This is only required by law in hawaii as far as i have researched. How would they then profit this way? How do some lose money if they have a hub since”as wwdb say” they recieve no money from the tools/products sold directly other than in pv/bv as far as platinums n below count.
cmon give me an answer? Or you cant?
right;
Answer our questions first.
Again, what do you make of Brad Duncan going off on his brother Greg on his 3rd bankruptcy since he’s been in anway? How is banruptcy possible when they pay for everything in ‘cash’ and the money rolls in by the bucketful?
that he greg duncan lied specifically. as can be possible with other diamonds. He will reap what he sows when god judges him. Either way when the economy drops all the diamonds(along with most of america) will be broke. Now can you please answer my question. Do you know how or if they can profit from tools in hawaii with these legal documents in place? Or did mat tsuruda just lose alot of cash being the only diamond left there.
Ahhh………the post that will not be touched by ambots.
Right;
Do you really think you are going to get an answer for your question? If and when you do, it’ll be some rambling, rabbit-hole, mind-bender, ethereal, tape-speak bullshit we’ve all become accustomed and numbed-out to.
Let’s see. Think I’ll save ambots the trouble. I’ll answer it for you.
From ambot: ‘you guys are just a bunch of jealous lazy losers who didn’t have a big enough dream and didn’t want to work your businesses. What are you doing to change the world? Don’t keep being mean old negative nellie ogres. Move on, already.’
Did I miss anything?
Oh, yeah. ‘and you’ll just have to keep on working for 40 years b/c you’re all a bunch of lazy-ass losers.’
I don’t wish financial difficulties on anyone, but Greg Duncan’s issues show that diamonds are not bullet proof. They can make bad decisions and may not be the all knowing gurus about money that they sometimes proclaim from a WWDB stage. It also shows clearly that diamonds do not make the kind of income that would sustain a “diamond” lifestyle. Greg Duncan was making only half a million dollars a year from Amway. A great income for sure but not nearly enough to sustain the lifestyle he was implying or trying to portray.
Right;
No one knows what you are talking about. Since English isn’t your first language, it makes it extra hard to figure out what you are saying.
I haven’t heard about any document produced for Hawaii re: amway tool profits. You’ll probably have to ask a higher-up in wwdb. Good luck getting any version of the truth. They’ll feed you so much tape-speak bullshit, even you will be confused.
What is the latest on Matt Tsuruda? Is he still a diamond?
Matt Tsuruda was an EDC when I was an IBO. I’m not sure where he’s at and frankly, I wonder if he’s even a diamond as of this writing. Seems funny though, that many of the Hawaii diamonds moved to states where the cost of living is cheaper. Mike Woods went to Texas and Scott Harimoto moved to Washington. Teresa Tsuruda married Howie Danzik but they don;t live in Hawaii either.
Joe;
I don’t think there are too many of us old wwdb codgers on here. Would love to get my hands on a current tools list. Boy, oh, boy, that’d be an eye-opener.
Can anyone get us a copy of that list? Could you post it here?
I’m with you on not wishing ill-will on any of these folks. But for goodness’s sake, say something! Their silence screams volumes. I say man-up and come clean. Admit your mistakes. We are a forgiving audience.
I would add, we’d like the truth this time around.
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RP 159 Fred.Madelon Holpp
RP 187 Steve/Chris Cummins
RP 192 Jim/Betty Brooks
RP 200 Bob/Mary Smiley
RP 223 Gator/Connie Strog
RP 231 Toshi/Bea Taba
RP 251 Terry/Fran Woodhead
RP 258 Theron/Darlene Nelson
RP 264S Jeff/Andrea Moore
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RP 600 Darel/Kathy Ansley
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RP 618 Keiji/Jean Bulette
RP 630 Theresa Tsuruda
RP 340 Mike/Jane Whims
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This is a current tools list? Wow, looks like they are recycling through the old tapes. Shocking!!
No that’s a very old list. I have a good friend who is still in the biz and Ill get some info from him. It’s the same old crap tho. Just for giggles I logged onto the wwdb site (login in is still guest and dream) and found a local 2nd look meeting and actually attended it. It was funny because I was dressed down and got it as a guest when I was once the guy collecting money at the door. Anyway it was howie danzik speaking. Same old tired crap. It was the first one I had been to since my departure 3 years ago. He mentioned some new flavor of junk you squeeze in water and it was almost like the whole brainwashed crowd had an orgasm. They ooowwed and ahhwed over it. I stayed after just to watch people huddle around the players taking notes like they were celebrities.
ill try find out the document i posted about. There a link to it on hawaiis state site. And matt tsuruda bought out a bunch of land on oahu and is already in developement of there second and third house there. One house is for thier platinum parents there and its all on agricultural land. So there rushing cause the laws here are changing to limit land development on those types of land.
Ya, that’s a very old list from the 90′s. Does anyone still have Dean Kosage’s Emerald tape?
Ken;
Howie Danzik??? You’ve got to be kidding. He’s gotta be getting up there. We first saw him and his then wife, Susie Danzik – funny how they leave that little tidbit out, isn’t it?, in 1995.
Very shorty after, they divorced b/c ‘she didn’t have a dream, she was a floozy, she had no dream, she was dragging him down, fill in the blank.
Enter Teresa Tsuruda. How marries her and it’s like Susie never existed.
They spent years telling how Teresa was begging God to bring her a husband. Supposedly Ron Puryear tells her to make a detailed list of what she wants in a man, and lo and behold, Howie made the grade. Glory be.
By “… they divorced b/c ‘she didn’t have a dream, she was a floozy, she had no dream, she was dragging him down, fill in the blank”, that means that Susan got busted screwing her tennis instructor and got the boot by Howie.
Hi, Amdroid;
Nice of you to stop by. Do you use the same standard to judge Brad Wolgamott for him sleeping with bar hops? Remember him? His amway diamond claim-to-fame was SAVING MARRIAGES!
Funny how that backfires when you’re the one out whoring around.
I’m always amazed how when someone divorces in wwdb, they go after the one that dared leave the cult. They totally trash their characters. How would we know different? We can’t get a hold of Susie to get her side.
I’m sure your upline, amdroid, tells you only the pure unadulterated amway truth, right? Ambots would never lie or exaggerate anything ever.
Hey, Amdroid, have you heard the voicemail of Ron Puryear, Greg Duncan, and a third ‘droid going after Dino Kosage? It’s great. They eat their own.
I have the same standard for anyone who cheats on their spouse. In this case we were just talking about Susan Danzik.
Do I remember Brad Wolgamott? How could anyone in any LOS not know who he was. I got my pic with him back in the day while he was still proclaiming to how the business made his marriage to Leslie so awesome. Obviously that was crap, just like it all pretty much was.
Let’s make a list here of “Claim-to-Fames”:
Brad Wolgamott – Marriage Saver – oops, screwed around on his wife and she left him
Greg Duncan – Pay cash for everything, I can!! – oops, been bankrupt how many times now
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Next?
Sorry, Aurora, I’m no longer in the business. Was out in the late 90′s. Don’t know where you’re getting that I’m backing Amway or WWDB or the business at all.
True, I don’t know Susan’s side, but why is my explanation of what happened any different than yours? Yours is just vague about her not having a dream. Mine was a little more personal about her from what I head right when it all happened. For all I know, it’s wrong, just trying to add to the conversation. I sure hope you’re not being defensive bc you’re a woman. Like I said before, anyone who cheats on their spouse, man or woman, is crap in my book.
Have I heard the vm? Yes, I got a copy of that and exposed it on another website that posted it.
Amdroid;
I’m very sorry to have offended you. I must have mistken your tone about Susie.
Please accept my apology?
O.K., This is scary. Where are all the posts?
Definitely. I figured you may have taken my comment the wrong way.
Looks like you have to click on “Older Comments” link below the video. Amthrax, did something change bc when the page refreshes you have to click the “Older Comments” each time to show the posts.
Each post shows up to 100 comments at a time. You have to click the Older Comments to see previous ones.
I love how everyone is talking him down, yet brad clearly says that greg didn’t listen to even his own advice, but is it the first time where a person in an overall good organization makes some poor decisions and it backfires. If one person would ruin an entire organization, how does it still run, how does the us government still exist, there have been many presidents who have done far worse things and yet record numbers of people vote. Nothing in the business says to borrow money and put it in risky investments, yet greg did and now he owes a lot of money, he still recieves his monthly income, but he now has a deep hole to climb out of.
People that got divorced while I was in WWDB, included Howie, (He said she cheated on him whit the tennis pro at the club) Jim Brooks, (He said she cheated on him with a direct in their business), and Frank Radford, I never heard about that one.
I also did not hear about Samir Attalh cheating on his spouse, and that there was a lawsuit by the direct lady that he cheated with. She got her business pulled because of the rule, “Don’t mess with anybody’s spouse”. Since she was single, Samir didn’t fall under that rule and walked away. Does that seem fair to anyone? I sure don’t think it right. Oh yeah, there was one more, how about Bill Britt with the real estate agent in Florida? Peggy had pictures of them making out in a car. She had all his finances froze for a bit too. I don’t know if they ended up divorced, but I remember cheering the fat man taking every word as gospel. I was told by upline to not look at any “negative” on the internet. If I found any to let him know so he could pass it on and let the amlawyers do their job. When I left, and I spoke to my former upline about Britt, she said he retired, funny.
Actually I used the principles that was in the books to build a nice business and an actually retired now at 57, but not thru any MLM business, I can’t say I wasted my time, but I did have to face reality and it wasn’t pleasant. Even WWDB was run by humans, and they are far from perfect. The thing that bothers me is that they try to portray themselves as perfect. I can’t dis anyone defending amscay, they are just doing what they are programmed to do, just like I was. Either they will have their moment of truth, or they will build the business and find out by the time they are making so much money, they will have to compromise their own morals to keep it coming in, or leave. It’s the hardest decision I ever made to drop an emerald-level business and walk away. I turned to a different direction, and built a conventional business. I live on the sale price of that business that is invested. All of this is just one man’s opinion, use the “shopping cart method” and take what you can use, and don‘t be bothered by what you can‘t. I always wondered what would have happened if I built the business just off of selling the product. Terry Felber had a ruby level in his down line, that just sold products to industrial customers. The soap is attractive to places that have to worry about pollution, since a lot of it is bio-degradable. He had barrels of LOC moving thru his business, and lived quite comfortable on just the profits. I’d bet someone in sales could do this with ease.
Smiles.
It’s a small walk from the mansion to the outhouse! What a crock this “business” is.
Howie and Theresa Danzik have lost a ton of their big pins. Howie runs the business like it’s a turn ‘em and burn ‘em business. He is soooo egotistical it’s kind of funny actually. And Theresa is so smarmy and fake. I don’t know how anyone takes them seriously. They are like the high school jock and cheerleader who never really grew up and try to manipulate people into keeping them popular (unfortunately while taking all their money). I worked with them directly for years. So glad to be done with their fake business.
Huh here’s one thing interesting about this…that’s NOT Brad Duncan’s voice…and there is no ACTUAL video of him talking…I’ve personally seen Brad several times, talked to the man, AND I’ve been to his house over in Spokane. I’ve listened to him on KATE and I know what Brad’s voice sounds like and THAT IS NOT IT. Just something I thought was interesting.
Old Mountain Man and Ken… Why don’t you put down your complete names and some proof of your claims instead of entertaining a hand full of critics who will more than likely struggle to be successful at any endeavor they pursue. They’ll likely quit, wet on themselves, and then blog about how immoral their next venture was.. When you blame you lose. You boys are all losing.
Timmy, you are fooling yourself. Most of what these guys have posted in public record. Even Greg Duncan’c bankruptcy is public records. Who don’t IBOs once and for prove that they are profitable?
Hi Timmy
An honest question, and deserves an answer.
The real and honest reason that I will not use my real name, is that I am set for life, if I don’t do anything stupid. If you are really interested, all you have to do is find a list of people that qualified for emerald, and quit before they got the pin. I am in there.
The other reason is that anyone who runs one of these pages will tell you that if you dare to write anything remotely bad about scamway, their lawyers will start filing lawsuits against you, and you will waste you money in court defending your right of free speech against the goon squad.
The bottom line is that your opinion of me is simply not worth my retirement to make you, or anyone else believe what I said. If you want the information, is out there on the internet.
You can believe whatever you wish, I will never lose any sleep over it.
Mtn.