Do As I Say, Not As I Do: TEAM Round Table Member’s Home Foreclosure [Updated]
Price History for 11735 Kings Colony, Grand Blanc, Michigan
Recent discussion about conducting public records searches in for Genesee County, Michigan has revealed another unfortunate financial story1 for a current, high-ranking TEAM Round Table Member. I doubt this story will be covered on Kirk and Cassie Birtle’s blog2, nor will it ever be recited from the TEAM LIFE stage.
Here is the Trulia listing for 11735 Kings Colony, Grand Blanc MI 48439. Some facts about the house:
- The property was the former home of TEAM Policy Council members, Chris and Terri Brady. They purchased the home in 2001 for $550,000.
- TEAM Round Table Members Kirk and Cassie Birtles bought the home from the Brady’s for $500,000 in January, 2008.
- In May, 2010, the property was repossessed by the bank and classified as REO (real-estate owned).
- The house was most recently listed for $212,000 on 6/29/2011, but is currently off the market.
All of this information comes from public records. From the real estate description (bold emphasis mine):
Endless possibilities!! Spacious brick 2-story located in popular Kings Pointe Sub. 5 Bedrooms, 5 1/2 baths, open floor plan, fire-lit living room, finished basement, 4 car garage & much more. Home has water damage, missing floor coverings & needs TLC. This property is eligible under the Freddie Mac First Look Initiative through 04/26/11. Owner occupants to receive a 2 yr home warranty at closing.
Looking at the photos, I wonder how the house got damaged. Was it general neglect after being unoccupied for the past year and a half? Was it vandals who did this? Was it a case of buyer’s revenge?
At the end of the day, however, it doesn’t matter how the house got into disrepair. What is indisputable is the fact the house was foreclosed and the Birtles were the previous owners.
The Birtles once were recognized as MonaVie Diamonds (they are no longer on the list of Field Leaders they are listed under Endurance Enterprises, Inc. on the MonaVie Field Leaders page, instead of their names3) and are current TEAM Round Table members. They are regular speakers at the Southfield, Michigan Opens, having spoken as recently as January 12, 2012. Shouldn’t the Birtles have been rolling in the dough for the past several years, enough at least to pay for their house?
Apparently not.
As I wrote before when revealing the bankruptcy filings of three TEAM Round Table members, the point of this post is not to revel in the misfortunes of the Birtles. Having a home foreclosed or filing for bankruptcy is a life-changing and stressful event. The point I’m making is to reveal the illusion of success in TEAM LIFE.
- If I were a prospect or TEAM Member, would I want to learn about finances from someone who recently filed for bankruptcy? Heck no!
- If I were a prospect or TEAM Member, would I want to learn about real estate from someone who had their home foreclosed? Heck no!
Orrin Woodward talks about experience trumping opinions. I don’t need to have experience with a bankruptcy or a home foreclosure to know that these things are to be avoided!
Update February 8, 2012: We conclude this post with a choice quote from Tim Marks in his post, “Measuring Success: Life Coaches vs. LIFE Coaches” (bold emphasis mine):
Of course, I’m not saying the entire life coaching industry is bad, but it’s not as good as it could be. Why is that? Well it all depends on what’s the most important component – certification or real success. Lack of success in any given area in life doesn’t automatically make a bad person, but it does disqualify someone from giving good advice. Someone who knows successful life principles well enough to teach them ought to live them as well. It just makes sense that to be a successful coach you must first have SUCCESS!!
An exercise for the reader: Think about Tim’s quote when you look at and analyze the TEAM LIFE Leadership.
1 I have previously written about the bankruptcies of three TEAM Round Table members, in addition to the strategic default by a TEAM Policy Council member.
2 Here is a link to the Birtle’s TEAM Bio.
3 An earlier version of this post stated that the Birtles are no longer listed on the MV Field Leaders page. They are, but under their Endurance Enterprise, Inc. business name.
Did the Birtles than buy Chris Brady’s old Florida home and walk away from that one, or do they still own that one? Anyone know?
What is going on? Check out Holger Spiewak’s info under Genesee county!
What are these guys hiding? Are they avoiding some kind of captial gains or hiding money from taxes? It sure seems that all this stuff points to something that just isn’t right. There must be more to these shenanigans because it seems they are flipping houses and money back and forth through these LLC’s? It sure smells like fish.
Looks like the PC was dumping their houses on their downlines during the lawsuits fiasco’s. Did the PC liquidate and dump on their downlines so they could free up their cash and know these guys could not afford it but it seems they covered their own a$$es and let their downlines take the fall for them?
Great Job Amthrax! And where is Vogel, this would be a job for him…haha!
Wow. A house that sold for 550k in 2001 should not have sold for 500k in 2008. Not in MI and definitely not in Genesee county. Not without major improvements. Maybe somewhere in the 350-400k range.
Dh – I also noticed that. Seems like Brady got his money out and than the bank and the Birtles took the hit?
Does anyone remember did Birtles hit PC for a stint, when we were out of Amway?
I can’t fully describe how sick this kinda stuff makes me feel. I actually looked up to some of these people, and at one time was taking financial advice from some of them! Wow.. how the mighty have fallen! But hey…. fake it till you make it right?! But I thought by Round Table (and beyond) you should have “made it”. 2-5 year plan you say….? Passive residual, ongoing, pipeline income you say….? What did Chris Brady like to say…SCOREBOARD! How’s that going for ya? Time for a check up, from the neck up!
http://apps.leeclerk.org/OR/search.aspx?bd=1%2F1%2F1980&ed=2%2F7%2F2012&n=Brady%20Chris&bt=O&d=2%2F7%2F2012&pt=-1&dt=ALL%20DOCUMENT%20TYPES&st=fullname&vbt=D
Can anyone decifer these documents/deeds? Does Brady still own the home?
Register of Deeds, Lee County, Cape Coral FL. on the Bradys Fl home. Also interesting one of the LLCs seem to be the same as one of the Nevada companies.
I misspoke, the LLCs didn’t show up that I can see.
Webelieved~
Very interesting! Now how to decipher it all?
These guys are soooo shady who knows what kinda of things they have done, but am sure the day will come when it is all in the open…thanks to this site!!
@MLM Punisher – The other thing to note is that 2010 was well into TEAM’s affiliation with MonaVie. They can’t fall back on and say that their departure from Amway/Quixtar was the underlying reason for the financial problems leading to the foreclosure. Either (1) MonaVie income wasn’t much to write home about or (2) TEAM income dried up or (3) both (1) and (2) occurred.
back again. I need to know some info on Orrin Woodwards menter also The most recent cd i listened to on mentoring said it.was pastor dickie. Do u have more info on him. It say on here heno longer the menter, than who is. This site has me almost convinced me. very disapointed in Mr. Woodward. I’d still like to meet him, to see what he’s really like. NEXT ? How long were u on team, and what made u decode it was time to leave? For me right now
1. not finding anybody who wants to get.in, because of trust, word of mouth, cost to much, pyramid scheme- I can’t lie i say it is, and people don’t have time. so I made dollars, come on.
2. 2majors so far- starting to add up now majors areup, unless sign up @ spot.
3 started to ? if its to good to be true it usually is. can’t sleep because at first i was excited about my dream now i realize at what cost, funny the book of the mnth was a dream book by John Max well, said make sure your not livinh someone elses dream! made me think.
4. Remember a top team leader @ restaurant not on my team by the way acted very strangely didnt seem very nice to waiter or polite, but on stage he was all fired up?
5.talked to other people on team @ major seemed very comformed responses, im not a.conformist, but yet i am teachable, if its primciple based.
Again Chris Brady is a rascal, really, sorry how can he say that with so much conviction and be following Orrin. That cd I loved but it backfired because how is he such a rascal? so I made up my mind, i will still be in team and want to see what happens . how people treat me, etc. The poini will make is this to them, Jesus says love your enemies, so depending on how they treat me is how.i will determine what to do next? When i ssk some ? sI really do like the team I am on in pa..they would do almost anything for anyone, this will be the test. or just for the team? Im still s little confused and dont know how to address the team, or what ?s to ask specifically to me? 2nd if i speak up @ s seminar will they backlash or ignore the? If i feel strong enough about an argument I will address.it.
I will let team know if there is deceit. I feel i need to let it out if it is a sham. Any suggestio.s on how to do this? If u think Orrin is such a bad guy for.leading people astray hw could we stop him. My idea is people is simple, address the team personally. Orrin says or is it Chris Brady, that noone has power over me other than my creator. I lisetened to a lot of cds, i can use them to. I still havent figured out a way to ask a ? to expose any de eit any suggestions.. I felt God led me to the team, still do, I think God led me for a different reason now. ? Did anyone on here watch Couragous?
If I find out the truth, I will expose them as.much as I can especially iif there hurting people through their business and leadi.g people to false hope. There promotion of the movie “courageous” will be there downfall, which teaches not to be idle when people do wrong. tired going to bed..crazy world we live in..Thank God for Jesus!
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sorry bout spelling, and other errors, really tired and typing on cell phone.
Chris- Pastor Dickie was Orrin’s mentor for many years, possibly over a decade. He is the pastor of Berean Baptist Church in MI. He was on many cds promoting Team, and was the main speker for their faith series, called ERM at the time. Pastor Dickie’s sons worked for the Team office for many years and his son in law was one of the Team’s attorneys.One of his son’s was the Team’s CEO. Orrin bragged about Bobbie for many years.
They have all resigned from Team. From what I understand, Pastor Dickie no longer endorses Orrin Woodward or Team/LIFE.
I would like to recommend a few books since you are a believer. Consumed by Success and All that Glitters is Not God both by Athena Dean. She was very successful in MLM and is a believer. She tells her story of building successful mlm’s and than how she discovered biblical reasons why MLM’s are not for believers, and she walked away. These books show the biblical truth on greed, idolatry, covetousness etc. all things the Team uses to hook people into the lie in my opinion.
By the way I loved the movie Courageous, Fireproof, Flywheel, and Facing the Giants. All great movies of people standing up for real truth. That is what I feel like we are doing here, standing up and telling the inconvienent truth about Orrin Woodward and Co. Please keep doing your due diligence and research. Did you finish all the articles in the Team LIFE Primer?
Also, I can relate to feeling let down when you find out the truth. It is very disheartening when you thought you had the answer to your problems. However, it is important to remember in the long run, you have a much better chance of realizing your true dreams, by not being involved with this group.The overwhelming majority of Team members will look back and wish they had spent their time with their families and their money and energy following their true passions and goals. Better to have the pain up front than to find you have been climbing a ladder that was up against the wrong wall, trust me.
Also if Orrin has taken leaders incomes away who built residual incomes, which he clearly has, what would make you think he can’t do that to you? It is written they can do that to you in the LIFE policies and procedures. They are wolves in sheeps clothing, period.
**All my comments on this site are my opinions based on years of experience with Orrin Woodward and Company and Team.
I want to let you know Team is looking for conformers, not leaders, like they promote. Leaders think for themselves, question things, use their creativity and critical thinking skills. Team will dumb you down and make you conform to their way of thinking to keep you working for the group.The higher up you go in success the more you will be required to conform or they will take you hard work away from you.
You will have to chose between your integrity and your money. It happened to me. I chose my integrity and it was a very painful process after believing for years God led me to this business and that I was helping people. To realize I had been perpetuating a lie was beyond excruciatingly painful for me.
I also thought if I could get to Orrin I could decifer if he had integrity, let me tell you he controls it all and it is a good old boys club, like Speak said. I even saw Orrin defy a judges order and it has been reported here he lied on the witness stand! That is not a Christian’s behavior to me. Just my humble opinions.
Is it possible to expose the team deception to others, who are on my team, I believe Orrin is that good realing people in with his cleverness. I dont want to see families destroyed. Besides this site what can i do to get people to realize hes not the leader he says he is. I feel if I quit, I need to share a valid point to others, opinions arent gonna matter, i need some evidence. Pastor dicki was there menter, i want to expose the fact he left and why. Do u have any evidence. My evidence would be from the cds, but people on team can say anything they want why he.left. Does anybody know who Orrins menter is now? A lot of people who state they are Christian are in this, how do I tell them, remember there told not to look @ these sites. Trying not just to salvage myself, but people who have been on the team for a while and will follow Orrin and crew off a cliff. Theres a lot of good people who think there doing good on the team? alwys ask is it for Gods glory or yours?
@Chris – Showing this site to those fully invested on TEAM may not do much good; the site is more useful once you are outside the influence of TEAM. What you can do is use the public records documents that have been revealed on this blog — bankruptcies, foreclosures, strategic defaults, etc. — along with publications like the Forbes Magazine article on Orrin Woodward to raise legitimate questions to your upline.
Make use of the TEAM leadership’s own pronouncements against them. I just updated this post with a quote from Tim Marks. He wrote:
Ask him if this applies to the TEAM LIFE leaders who have filed for bankruptcy, foreclosures and strategic defaults? Are they qualified to speak about Finances?
Regarding Pastor Dickie. I suggest contacting and asking him that question directly. While he may not give you the full story, his response may be enough to demonstrate to you that he has little interest in supporting Orrin and TEAM today.
Chris,
Orrin did indeed mentor with Pastor Dickie for years; that ended when Pastor Dickie pointed out problems within the Team business model and the differences between what was said by leaders on stage and what really happened behind the scenes. Two of Pastor’s sons and his son-in-law worked in the Team office; they all quit, along with a number of other employees, after witnessing first-hand Orrin’s corruption and pathological lying. (Their words, not mine.)
Orrin is what is known as an Extreme Narcissist. He cannot tolerate any criticism of himself or his ideas. When Pastor told Orrin he would not speak at any more Team functions unless Orrin corrected his un-Christian practices, Orrin proceeded to lie about and slander Pastor Dickie and his sons. He told many people that he had to fire both Bobby and Ben Dickie for stealing and that Pastor was going senile and had stopped acting in a Biblical way.
At the very same time he was spreading vicious lies about Pastor, Orrin asked to meet with him to “reconcile” their differences. Pastor Dickie met with Orrin, at Orrin’s request, at least twice. There were plenty of witnesses at those meetings, including elders from Pastor Dickie’s church. Matt Abraham was at one meeting, and Don Freeze was at another. At both meetings Orrin made promises that he broke literally within days. Orrin also wrote several nasty letters to Pastor. Yet he continued to call Pastor and request additional meetings so they could have resolution! Pastor has had enough–no more meetings with someone who clearly has no intention of changing, repenting, or even admitting his sin.
The story Orrin tells his leaders is that Pastor refuses to meet with him for reconciliation. Orrin never tells them that Pastor had already met with him twice. That is why so many of the team leadership left Pastor’s church–they believe Orrin over Pastor.
It is unlikely that Pastor would answer any questions about his relationship with Orrin and the Team unless he knew the questioner personally. Orrin has had a number of people call Pastor on his behalf, including the pastor of the church Orrin now attends in Florida. (There is a whole other story about that guy! Let’s put it this way–Orrin and Steve Camp are two peas in a pod.) Pastor just wants to focus on his current church family and help them in their walk with Christ.
I hope this helps a little. Keep in mind that God, for reasons we don’t always understand, allows evil in this world. There are times when it looks like evil is winning, even flourishing. Doesn’t make it right.
Thanks Former Round Table for clearing up the lies that were told about the Dickies!
It truly is dispicable what they have done.
Great Advice to Chris… Amthrax and Webelieved~
I would also add go to Orrin’s blog and Facebook and ask the questions directly to Orrin as you, Chris said yourself was your “idea” to “go to the Team”. Ask Orrin in a public forum your direct questions and if he doesn’t answer specifically or you don’t understand them ask again until you get your answers. Then make your decision or you will get catch in a perpetual trap.
Tim Marks and the rest of the PC need to get real and specific on their subjective idea of what “Success” means to them. It is just their opinion what they ‘think’ is Success and are they expecting everyone else to measure it the same? Not so! I believe they measure “Success” by Money and Material things. Then is ‘their idea’ of “Success”; does it matter how you get it? Bernie Madoff to some; would be considered a “Success.” Every criminal in the world could be consider a “Success” if they gained money and material things by their corruption!
Do they believe it is okay to ‘gain’ “Success” by deceiving, gaming, lying, stealing, and cheating? You could still ‘gain’ money and material legal or illegal, ethically or unethically, morally or immorally. More specific’s…please. ha!
They throw the “Success” term out as if their ‘idea’ of “Success” is Thee ONLY way…the Gospel..That people do or ‘should’, perceive it the way they do.
I would totally disagree with measuring “Success” by money and material things. Have they deluded themselves to believe the rest of the world falls into their ‘idea’ of “Success”? Or worse their manipulation techniques that everyone ‘should believe’ the way they do or the message is you are ‘unsuccessful” and just want “perpetual handouts” if you don’t believe what ‘we’ (the Pc) believe “Success” is?
“Success” to me is many things but mostly involves the intangibles and what is after this experience called life…it is being allowed to decide what “Success” is thefreedom’ for oneself without someone cramming it down your throat of you should believe; what “Success” means…Freedom of Mind…etc..etc..etc..
There are far more important things to measure “Success” by….and money and material is the bottom; if even on my list of important things; to measure “Success.”
“For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?” ~ Mathew 16:26
“And keep the charge of the Lord your God, walking in his ways and keeping his statutes, his commandments, his rules, and his testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn”~ 1 Kings 2:3
“No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. I will not leave you or forsake you. Be strong and courageous, for you shall cause this people to inherit the land that I swore to their fathers to give them. Only be strong and very courageous, being careful to do according to all the law that Moses my servant commanded you. Do not turn from it to the right hand or to the left, that you may have good success wherever you go. This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”
~ Joshua 1:5-9
And many more…
Good luck to you Chris, but I will be blunt and to answer a question you asked, we were in almost a decade and half, up close and personal to Orrin and Laurie, and other PC. We were recruited into Amway, then it changed to Quixtar and the name was Team of Destiny, Team, Team without any ‘product’ during the lawsuits Orrin brought on himself, then Team MV, now it is Team and Lief their own MLM. We were there all the way up until they destroyed on teams and stole our income. Through all the MLM hopping. And I will tell you, take the advice on here and this site seriously. Get your questions answered and move on to your real purpose. You are chasing Orrin’s Dream, Not your own!
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Good luck on your quest for the truth, Chris.
It’s noteworthy that both Matt Abraham and Don Freeze, who were asked by Orrin to be witnesses at the meetings between Orrin and Pastor Dickie, will have nothing to do with Orrin or Team anymore.
I’d like to add also that many states offer free viewing of public records (circuit court access) where you can find out anything from traffic citations to felonies.
Former Round Table~
Thanks for sharing. There are so much these guys have done and do behind the scenes, it is tragic and appalling.
They deceive the masses by their fake facades and illusinary masks of Christianity; but those of us who have experienced and witnessed the truth; know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not who they ‘pretend’ to be.
If people would just open their eyes and THINK.. ‘see’ the discrepancies, double messages and standards, and their obvious ‘best interest’ is their sickness…love of money…rather than turn it on themselves because of their ‘indoctrination’; that it is everyone else (YOU), whom are the ‘problem’; instead of ‘seeing’ the facts right in front of their faces, there wouldn’t be a soul left to deceive! They are clever… to the unsuspecting and naive the ‘proven’ deception works.
Their greatest strength is… they are masters of manipulation and deception!
Whirlwinded~
Do you have any links?
One of my Facebook friends has struck again. Look what he has posted up on Chris Brady’s wall. It has been there for 3 hours….Lomas Morton is my hero!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris-Brady/159181623731
I liked his, “I was unaware that one of the 8 F’s that you taught was Foreclosure.” quip. Further down on the FB page, Lomas explains how he turned around:
Former RT- What you said about evil reminded me of this timeless quote” ‘All that is necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing”. On this blog good men (and women of course) are doing something in the face of the pure evil that is TEAM!!
Freedomhaha- I couldn’t agree with you more!
Lomas~ You Rock…haha!
Lomas- I love it! haha Makes me smile when I see that. I just had a conversation with my roommate and he is fully involved in the fight for the truth! One more solider is on our team!
Freedomhaha~
That is always great news!
Speak Your Truth…. well, I can’t comment on other states, but here’s the link to Wisconsin’s… http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl
Whirlwinded~
Thanks, I appreciate the link.
Lomas Morton’s posts on Brady’s Facebook pages have been deleted. There is a new comment from Craig Godeke which links to the TEAM LIFE cult page on Freedom of Mind.
Interesting how Brady is paying more attention to this blog than his own public Facebook page isn’t it? One of Mr. Morton’s comments was well over 1 month old and had not been deleted. The minute it comes up on here then the comments disappear.
What are you all doing to make them so damn interested in this blog?
TruthSeeker~
We Tell the Truth about them and Smile A lot!
TEAM talk just indicated that the Birtles just went quad 100! Sounds like LIFE is booming.
I wonder if it is in the ‘Team talk’ that the Birtles were already recognized as New Policy Council Members clear back in June of 2008?
That would mean they had 6 Teams @ 100 and haven’t caught up to where they would be almost 4 years ago! And the Team claims they are ‘exploding?’ haha..Doesn’t seem to exciting when that fact is added, does it?
Now I am sure they are all ‘fired-up’ and the Team is blowning and hyping this up to be an Amazing ‘movin on’ couple and great accomplishment; and many would believe that at least the brand new guy or those who don’t know the rest of the story, they would be falling for the Wow factor… but… news flash… that isn’t ‘fired-up’ when you go backwards of at least 2 teams of 100 or 200 people from 4 years ago!
I wonder if those pesky little facts have been shared and are also included in the ‘Team talk’? Otherwise, IMO, it is very misleading to people that don’t know they were already recognized for having 6 teams @ 100, almost 4 years ago.
And based on all those who have been ‘given’ (special deals) or other people’s teams that they didn’t build (system & ticket counts) misleading all the others as if they did earn it organically, and everyone else are expected to build it without any special deals; such as the case with Dan & Lisa Hawkins, and others.
It then raises the question: Were the Birtles given teams also or is their “Quad 100″ based solely on their own organic efforts?
And IMO, it is very suspect and even more suspect is that the Birtles ‘foreclosure’ facts in this very post by Amthrax; just came to light less than a month ago. Maybe it is just me but it seems there is a pattern going on…haha. It is curious, if they are the ‘only’ couple that is being recognized currently?
All my comments are based on our personal experience of well over a decade, knowledge from the facts, and my beliefs and opinions.
Interesting about the Bradys ex home..I pulled in the drive and walked completely around the home, looked in the windows..and it is a mess! It looked to me like someone literally took the walls out of the basement level..there are wall studs showing. Flooring is pulled up in one of the front rooms..no, actually two front rooms. Kitchen has damage, what a torn up mess. It does not appear that anyone burglarized the home, at least to me. I know the neighborhood, it would be hard to have an outsider trash that house, because people live too close by for that to happen, to my way of thinking. Wow, is this what residual, willable income means??
@ the truth hurts….are you talking about their FL house?
Speak, PC back then was 4 at 100 and 2 at 50 so they already hit the level they are being recognized for. So if they actually hit it it is after they had it and lost it and just regained it…..funny how only in team lief do they re-recognize and celebrate the levels over and over and over, it would be like Orrin crossing stage for power player LOL. Birltes the guy who got his house foreclosed on and who knows what else went quad, or re went quad……..I don’t even know how they would cross stage at this point…they have no shame and are so DESPERATE for recognition in a model that is going backwards that they have to resort to this……….Going to a million!!!! Fired Up!!!! You can do it!!!! Show the Plan!!! Puleeeeez,,,,,,,I wonder if Cassie cried on stage…can you see it now……..fake tears, sniffle sniffle…….and the obligatory “guy’s if you just hang in there and show the plan you can do it too” “Just empty your bank account, get out your charge card and buy your next major ticket, if we can do it so can you………Puuuuuking……….What a joke. They supposedly were already at quad four years ago and they do it now???????? It took four years to hit it again???????? How many systems did they buy like Darkangelo and Hawkins???? I mean let’s get the whole truth……….
It is just sick stuff. I think when you are inside the TEAM/LIEf cult it is hard to see the rerecognition happening because all of the majors blend together. That and the lies that are forced down your throat all the time. Is money really that important to these people that they feel the need to ruin other peoples lives in order to have an extra boat, or vacation. Everything they are doing is that the expense of the peons going to Tuesdays below them. The fact that I helped play for my uplines vacation and house absolutely makes me sick.
So blessed to be out of TEAM/LIEf today!
Finally~
Thanks for clarifiying (system reference to PC) and the rest of your comments..so true.. The re-recognition does seem quite the over kill and shows how the desperado’s ‘need’ it;(“grown men die for it babies cry for it”) at least to keep the blind followers ‘believin’ it and dumping their money being sucked up to the TOPP bank accounts; of the PC!
When people ‘quit’ believin’ and wake up that it a dellisonal greedy messages and whatever comes out of thee master (mis) leaders mouths as the all and only authoritive gospel truth (despite the undenial losses built in to the comp plans) and ‘quit’ listening to the same repeated indoctrinating, mind numbing messages; What thou shall they do or believe in? Will they loose all their (selling) ‘hope’ in their lives (absurd) as the dictators would want you to believe (that you would then be a quitter, loser, hater, don’t want to learn, achieve, or read ever again..lol)?..Oh..no… I know, when people snap out of it and ‘quit’ believin in those false hope messages of the all knowing authoritive guru’s that they are the ‘answer’ to everyone’s life’s problems; in other words, when they stop the insanity and madness of the undue influence; then those people regain their critical thinking and can see they were deceived!
It is as Casey C. used to say; a tape is a tape, then it becomes more than a tape = (the secret info.. mind altering effect, phase of listening) to then to return to it as; just a tape! You wake up from the wow, secret information… and you realize it was just a tape/ Cd, chuck full of propaganda, undue influence and mind altering messages…I mean…world class leadership.
Wounded Bear
No, I am talking about CB’s former house in Grand Blanc. The house was lovely at one time..but was it ever trashed after they sold it..I agree with the idea that when it sold it was for a lot of money considering what housing prices were/are dropping to in Genesee County.
The Truth Hurts/Wounded Bear:
Chris Brady sold his first house in Grand Blanc to his parents (or gave it to them); he sold the second house, in Kings Pointe subdivision, to Kirk & Cassie Birtles. They are the ones who walked away from the house and left it such a mess.
I cannot tell you how glad I am away from that pack of lying, sleazy scumbags. The whole thing is like a rotten onion; the more you unwrap, the uglier it gets.