Amthrax

I am writing here to inform people of what they might expect to see when building an Amway/Quixtar business. I want to give prospective and current IBOs another perspective on the opportunity. This “other side of the plan,” is designed to help IBOs make more informed decisions on whether to join, continue, or leave the business.

I am first and foremost a critic of the following:

  1. Abusive Amway Motivational Organizations (AMO): Many teaching and training organizations use deceptive and cult-like tactics to indoctrinate IBOs into making poor decisions which are primarily in the interest of the AMO rather than the IBO’s own Amway/Quixtar business.
  2. Alticor Corporation: The parent company to Amway and Quixtar, Alticor has tacitly allowed these System abuses to occur over the past several decades. It has turned a blind eye to what was happening because the money kept flowing into its coffers.

You can read a little bit about my history in the business in the post, How I Succeeded By Failing.

On this web site, I will share my experiences building the business, what I learned after leaving, and my thoughts on the future of Amway and other related MLM businesses.

9 Comments

  1. I used to be in INA and I wanted to meet with you to tell you my story so that you can share info with other people so that they can avoid what happened to me. Are you open to meeting in San Jose area?

  2. Mike: How about sending me an email to amthrax (at) ymail.com with your story?

  3. Hey man, I like your site. I got into LTD/Amway because my brother got in and went to a conference where he is now full fledged convinced about this thing. I got in thinking that I would genuinely be able to save consumers money by giving them one stop access to cheap products like Eastbays, and half.coms where i already shop and find great deals and recommend them to people. I get in only to find out most partner stores only give a discount to IBOs not customers. Basically I have to ask them to do me the favor of shopping through my site first. That pry will only work with close friends and family. I believe one can make money in this business but only through much retailing is it genuinely creating wealth. LTD is much better than Britt or other orgs it seems but they still fall into the trap of telling you to get your 300 pv if couple 150 pv if single and then go out and network. What’s your take on LTD? They also talk about lifestyle too much for my taste.

  4. And they talk about buying everything from yourself and teaching others to do the same. Problem is most equivalent brands like kellogs cereal which we can buy are more expensive per ounce even with BV kickback. Unless I get into the 18+% range. When I told my brother to only buy what makes sense money wise like SA8 he said nobody saves their way to financial freedom. Oh boy :( I don’t know what to do bc though i like some products I don’t want to ask anybody to be in this system if there is nothing more than a sliver of a chance of success.

  5. Jon – If you are happy just buying the products for yourself, then continue to do so. No one is forcing you to build the business.

    • I know but i’m receiving intense pressure from my brother and upline. I have no problem generally fighting off peer pressure when it comes to drinking and such, but my brother says i need to go to the conference. I have already put in hundreds of dollars to the biz with minimal return. I told him i’ll continue to work it but only on the side (i’m pry going to get out as soon as i get rid of more inventory) he says that’ll all go away by conference.

      anyway you know of telling an ambot that they should at least track expenses to see if it’s a good move. told my brother that and he said most businesses don’t turn profits for years so he doesn’t care and if the dream is big enough the numbers don’t matter.

  6. i love my brother and i don’t want him to be incredibly pissed at me but i’m afraid i’ll have to face that alternative. anything i say to caution him is automatically labelled as negative and tearing down his dream.

  7. Tell him that while you support him and want him to do well, that this business is not the right fit for you. There are plenty of other opportunities out there, and that you are interested in pursuing them, but not this one.

    Don’t fight back if he insists on arguing with you. Take the high road.

  8. I was part of Brad Duncan clan in the late 1990’s and quit after few years. I Still believe in the principles of the business. I just wish these leaders of the business would too.. hypocrites!


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