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Orrin Woodward, Climbing to the Top

July 25, 2008
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Orrin Woodward (source: his website)

… or bottom, depending on the way you look at it in this Forbes article on the Supreme TEAM Leader himself. I found this link at the end of the comment stream on this QBlog post. It’s also being discussed on ibofightback’s Amway Talk forum.

What do you see when you read the article? If you are a critic, you might see a well-written article that accurately summarizes the Woodward’s rise in Amway/Quixtar, his downfall at the hands of the corporation, and ultimately his lateral move (along with his real business, the tools) over to Mona Vie. If you are a supporter of the business, but an opponent of TEAM, you might point out inaccuracies as it relates to Amway/Quixtar but agree on the lying, cowardly actions of Woodward. Finally, if you are a TEAM supporter and Mova Vie distributor, you may think this article is a complete hack job on the the wonderful leader that is YOUR Orrin Woodward.

Team hauled in $42 million last year and boasts 60,000 mostly middle-class members.

Woodward stated on his own site that he made 4-5 times more income from the tools business than from Amway bonuses. Granted, some of the money above went to other Diamonds and Emeralds on TEAM, but whoa nelly, that’s still a lot of tools money!

His Amway divorce left Woodward with motivational tools but no product to motivate people to sell. Members defected. Sales plummeted. Woodward tried selling his tools to customers like Kettering University, a Michigan pizza franchise and a Phoenix car dealership.

It would have been nice for the article to explain in more detail how effective (or ineffective) he was at selling his tools to outside businesses and organizations.

Woodward is a polarizing character in this debate. He’s currently the poster-boy for a fallen Diamond in the Amway/Quixtar universe, a lying, cowardly, tool-scam kingpin for critics, and a wonderful human being for his TEAM followers. It’s even better that he posts frequently on his own blog, which allows critics and supporters alike to further confirm their suspicions and opinions about him.

18 Comments leave one →
  1. July 25, 2008 10:18 am

    Woodward stated on his own site that he made 4-5 times more income from the tools business than from Amway bonuses. Granted, some of the money above went to other Diamonds and Emeralds on TEAM, but whoa nelly, that’s still a lot of tools money! —- Correction, Orrin stated the typical tool scam profit was 4-5 times the Quixtar profit for Emeralds and above, not just himself. If he was making this much and they weren’t, tool prices would be MUCH lower. However, his downline would soon create their own tool scams and break off, “robbing” Orrin of that portion of his scam profits.

    I think he has been largely ineffective at selling to others. He can’t promise THEM the tool scam lifestyle he has developed from his downline for following him.

    Orrin has done a terrific job of reminding all of us the tool scam is “alive and well.”

  2. Joecool permalink
    July 25, 2008 10:37 am

    He took it to David Fightback on his blog. LOL

  3. July 25, 2008 11:03 am

    I thought ibofb came out quite well on his blog. There is no way an LCK can look good discussing much of anything.

    I don’t know who got Orrin to admit to the 4-5X comment, but I encouraged ibofb to ask him.

    Eventually, someone else did.

  4. July 25, 2008 12:05 pm

    Tool Kingpin-foolery raises its ugly head again. Good time for a good old fashioned tool scam scandal huh?

  5. July 25, 2008 1:09 pm

    The tool scam scandal has been in place for several decades, long before Orrin came around.

  6. Joecool permalink
    July 25, 2008 1:50 pm

    Orrin Featured in a Forbes Magazine article.

    Notice the word “pyramid” in the article:

  7. July 25, 2008 2:29 pm


    That link was already in the original post. I’ve often said you rarely add anything new, but this is ridiculous.

  8. Joecool permalink
    July 25, 2008 3:26 pm

    So I goofed. At least I can admit it.

  9. July 25, 2008 4:48 pm

    I admit when I’m wrong too, it just doesn’t happen very often.

  10. August 24, 2008 11:37 am

    Hi Tex,

    I was the one who asked Orrin about his tool to Amway income ratio as he was asking IBOFB to bravely state his Amway income and I was keen to know if Orrin, who fought for system income disclosure while with Quixtar, would be open with this info as well.

    I knew that as a leader with a reputation to maintain and a heart to serve a million customers, he would be transparent about this, and he did. I utterly salute Orrin for being honest and forthright.

    btw, I am now on the TEAM general leadership development programme and this system is going to take Asia by storm. TEAM Asia. 🙂

  11. Mayan permalink
    October 20, 2011 5:45 am

    Who cares about critics or anything they have to say? What credentials allows them to be judges of people?

  12. Mayan AHAU permalink
    October 20, 2011 5:58 am

    How about some new posts? 2008 So how is cooperate ameica not a pyramid? ceo, management, supervisors, workers, janitors????

  13. Michael Thompson permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:57 am

    “it’s going to take _____by storm”, “We are going to release a gorilla”, “First you have to get plugged into the system”. How about whereing a specific color tie? Kool-Aid anyone?Diamonds, Emeralds and scams oh my. TEAM and whatever else you want to call it is such a scam; I am surprised these people are not in the cell next to Madoff.


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