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Happy Friday: Emptying Out Your Tools

October 3, 2008

It’s Happy Friday again! As you pull your team meeting outfit out of the closet, think about this question.

How many boxes would you need to hold all of your tools?

Unless you listen to each and every one of your tools on a regular basis — which you probably don’t — chances are they are taking up precious space in your house or apartment. Think about all of the tools you’ve accumulated during your time in the business. And to think that you’re just one IBO; there have been millions who have come and gone before you! A lot of them were no doubt part of some Amway Motivational Organization (AMO). Think about the mountains and tons of tapes, books, CDs, binders, and pamphlets that are hiding in someone’s garage or in the dumps.

You say the tools are useful? What do you have to show for their utility? How large is your bonus check each month? Could you produce that bonus check without the use of tools? Why or why not?

You might say the tools provide duplication, and I say the only thing they duplicate is money in your upline kingpin’s pockets. If their System is so duplicable and so essential for succes, why aren’t there more new Diamonds and Emeralds walking across stage in North America?

The fact is, many Systems have taught people not how to sell products, but how to sell tapes, books, and functions. My advice? Get good at selling products from your business and teach your downline to do the same. Your business will get bigger, your check will be larger, and you’ll have more storage space in your house without these useless tools.

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  1. October 3, 2008 8:52 am

    How many boxes would you need to hold all of your tools? —- It depends how big the boxes are.

    You say the tools are useful? —- Yes.

    What do you have to show for their utility? —- Enough tools to enable duplication until the group gets big enough to produce our own tools.

    How large is your bonus check each month? —- None of your business, both literally and figuratively.

    Could you produce that bonus check without the use of tools? —- It’s not the current bonus check that’s the issue.

    Why or why not? —- I don’t think I could produce the future check without a LOT more effort.

    If their System is so duplicable and so essential for succes, why aren’t there more new Diamonds and Emeralds walking across stage in North America? —- Because the tool scam is becoming better known.

    My advice? Get good at selling products from your business and teach your downline to do the same. Your business will get bigger, your check will be larger, and you’ll have more storage space in your house without these useless tools. —- Why should an IBO take your advice? There’s a LOT more than selling involved if you want a large business. That’s where the “useless” tools are valuable.

  2. mike permalink
    October 3, 2008 4:21 pm

    The tools have a purpose at one time, to share information, however that purpose was later changed to a means to make money.

    The message became the business.

    Without the constant barrage of tapes, boooks and funtions/meetings, the business, would still work however it would be a much smaller business than what is seen today..

    I think that those IBO’s that are making any real money is retailing, and then sponsering from that pool of clients

    Where as the tools business is retailing from the pool of clients that did not sign up, and it seems that their business is dependent on the tools.

    The question I would ask Tex, is your business growing without the use of the tools as a means of profit, but as a means to share information?

  3. October 3, 2008 9:40 pm

    mike,

    The business is either stagnant or shrinking today, at least in the U.S. I would be much more surprised to see Quixtar grow compared to last year than see it shrink. I have no idea why you think you need a large retail business to make a profit. Haven’t you ever seen the plan? Take away the tool scam (not the tool, the scam, i.e., high tool prices) and there’s real money left over for profit. I think very few customers change over to becoming an IBO. I’m not sponsoring right now, but may soon start again. I am reviewing the rules changes to determine whether I can in good conscience sponsor someone without thinking they are signing up and committing to follow “unconscionable” (this is the word used by 4-5 Federal judges) rules. If you’ve been reading my blog recently, you would know I am cross-ways with A/Q right now.

  4. mike permalink
    October 4, 2008 2:41 am

    So basically your business is not growing with or without tools.

    By growth..I mean profit as well as building a network.

    So you are not doing anything to create income?

    Currently you are trying to make changes in a business, yet you have nothing to show for it..you have no example to show how your ideas for change is working.

    You say take away the tool scam and there is profit. What do you have as far as profit to show that taking away the tools will work?

  5. October 4, 2008 7:10 am

    So basically your business is not growing with or without tools. —- I didn’t say that. My personal business is growing, because of customer growth.

    By growth..I mean profit as well as building a network. —- Profit yes, building a network…soon.

    So you are not doing anything to create income? —- Wrong again, see above. Also, getting rid of the tool scam is the first step to create income, as it removes the lies that are currently preventing growth.

    Currently you are trying to make changes in a business, yet you have nothing to show for it..you have no example to show how your ideas for change is working. —- It’s working, it’s just not instantaneous.

    You say take away the tool scam and there is profit. What do you have as far as profit to show that taking away the tools will work? —- I have tried to tell you the answer is NOT to take away the tools, but the tool SCAM. Can’t you get this straight?

  6. Joecool permalink
    October 6, 2008 4:52 pm

    tex, if the tools work as you claim, then why aren’t tapes worth $6.00 and seminars worth a hundred bucks? If I was almost guaranteed to go platinum using tools, that price is not unreasonable.

    It’s a tools scam because upline make most of their money on tools and the tools don’t help people progress in this business.

  7. Craig permalink
    October 9, 2008 10:35 am

    I am In Amway, signed up about 6 months ago. My upline has not tried to force me into the tools program. They actually tell prospects at the open meetings that there is a bonus in the tool system once they reach the platinum level. The only tools I buy are follow up packs and prospecting brochures. This business works and it is very different that what is being described on a lot of the web sites I see. I show 3 plans a week and I am doing ok. I have a few customers as well. In fact, they are incouraging me to expand my customer base. It really is sad that some of the motivational organizations took advantage of people in the past. It may stil go on now in other groups, but not in mine. In fact, when I sponser someone, I show them the business ethics ruls which state that as a sopnser, I have to agree to help the person, regardless their tool purchase. Amway should have steped in long ago to fix this. This makes it hard to build the business. However, if you have ethics, and are open and honest, you can build this business. You have to develop trust with the people you are working with. If they trust you, they will build the business also. As far as making money, I make around $200 a month right now. If you look at what Amway considers as an “active” IBO, they are really liberal. It say active is anyone that tries to sell A product, attend AN event or shows A plan. So even if you only show 1 a month you are considered active. If they change it to say 3 plans a week, there would be a significant jump in income, in my opinion. The business works if you decide to work it. I am not one of those IBO’s that thinks people are losers if they do not build this business. This business is not for everyone, and it takes a lot of effort. The IBO’s that think people are losers because they do not build this business need to get a life. Anyway, I just wanted, as an IBO who has a clue, give my take on the subject. I will check back in a couple of days to see if there is any reaction to it.

  8. October 9, 2008 1:44 pm

    Craig – Thank you for your comment. When you say you make $200/month, is that after expenses like tools, functions, and gas?

    Selling more products to retail customers can greatly increase your monthly profits. It’s good to see that you have customers. Back when I was in the business, retailing was not heavily encouraged over buying from yourself and teaching others to do the same (BFYATODS).

  9. Joecool permalink
    October 9, 2008 1:49 pm

    Hi Craig,

    I wonder what group you are with? It sounds like you are building the business the way it was intended. It is too bad that many IBOs got scammed by other groups because it has become a barrier that is hard to overcome. And in some groups, it is still happening. Not all groups speak openly of the income from the support materials as well.

    Regards to to the average income, I believe it is based on those who actually received a bonus. As you know, trying to sell a product or attending an event will not in itself produce enough volume to qualify you for a bonus.

  10. October 9, 2008 5:56 pm

    tex, if the tools work as you claim, then why aren’t tapes worth $6.00 and seminars worth a hundred bucks? If I was almost guaranteed to go platinum using tools, that price is not unreasonable. —- jc, your OWN experience proved the tools work, you and your group used them and you went 4000 PV, assuming you are telling the truth. The problem is most organizations are unstable, because people run out of money before they learn enough/make a net profit. But the guys making the tool scam money don’t care, they just replace you, over and over again.

    It’s a tools scam because upline make most of their money on tools and the tools don’t help people progress in this business. —- Close. It’s a tool scam because the upline LCK’s make most of their money on tools and LIE about it. Even Craig probably doesn’t know HOW MUCH his Platinums and above make via tools. If he found out, he and many other IBO’s wouldn’t walk away, they would RUN!

  11. October 11, 2008 10:41 am

    jc, also it’s not just the $6 tapes and $100 seminars. It’s the hotels, airline tickets (both of which the upline probably get a cut, by the way), meals, gas, etc., that keep most IBO’s from turning a net profit until they get to about the Platinum level. Not all of this money goes into the uplines’ pockets, but it all comes OUT of yours. Wake up!

  12. Porkchopjim permalink
    October 13, 2008 6:31 am

    Tex is right! It’s not just the cost of ‘tools.’ It’s also the cost of the overpriced products that you are forced to buy from yourself because no one else will in any amount that makes your business work.

    But, while Joecool admits that he bought tools, Tex likes to make the TexLogic leap that this is what made Joecool hit 4000PV so quickly (which, by the way, is 4 times larger that Tex EVER hit in his 15 years as an Amway salesman). Seems a lot more likely that Joecool was able to get as many of his friends in as quickly as possible, and also do a good deal of retail. No tools needed for that.

    If the tools worked, Joecool would still be in the business. Instead, because of the tools, Joecool ISN’T in the business.

    That’s Tex’s idea of ‘the tools work.’

    P.S. – Tex is a cultist who claims the LCK’s are ‘false prophets’ in an attempt to steal downline to start his own little Texcult. Read his FTC letter – it’s true!

  13. Joecool permalink
    October 13, 2008 9:52 am

    Tex, don’t tell me what my experience was. My group went 4000 on excitement. The tools were simply a by product. If there weren’t tools, we still would have been just fine. The tools only represent a commitment to building a business. The tools taught us little to nothing. You’re just a tool troll as it turns out.

  14. October 13, 2008 10:07 am

    jc, you didn’t address the issues. You have NO IDEA what would have happened without tools. If you dropped the tools, you probably wouldn’t have had the excitement.

    Why didn’t you just drop the tools, you would have been making a net profit and probably stayed in? Stop lying.

    Years later, you still haven’t figured out you were a tool scam victim, after being told over and over again. You just have a blind spot to the tool scam as it turns out.

    Come on folks, read the words and tell jc how screwed up his logic is and how spot on and accurate my assessment has been.

  15. Joecool permalink
    October 14, 2008 9:54 am

    Tex, the more you post, the more riduculous you look. You’re the pig with lipstick on. As I said, the tools don’t work to help you run and build a business. Do you even know what it means to build a business tex? Please answer this question.

    If the tools worked tex, wouldn’t you have more than a group that includes only yourself and 10,000 useless tapes?

  16. October 14, 2008 12:43 pm

    jc, you STILL didn’t answer the questions.

    The more you post, the more riduculous you look. You’re the pig with lipstick on. As I said, the tools work because they helped YOU build a business. Do you even know what it means to build a business jc? Please answer this question.

    If the tools worked tex, wouldn’t you have more than a group that includes only yourself and 10,000 useless tapes? —- Stand by….

  17. Joecool permalink
    October 14, 2008 3:42 pm

    Thanks tex, your complete avoidance of the question makes my case. You are clueless.

  18. October 15, 2008 8:05 am

    jc, you KNOW I haven’t been building an IBO network, for a variety of reasons. I am still building customers, and will soon be doing both.

    No thanks jc, your complete avoidance of the question makes my case. You are clueless.

  19. Joecool permalink
    October 15, 2008 10:01 am

    tex, you aren;t building anything but the reputation for being a troll on quixtar forums. The tools don’t work and your theoris are shot with more holes than swiss cheese.

  20. Porkchopjim permalink
    October 15, 2008 8:09 pm

    jc, you didn’t address the issues. You have NO IDEA what would have happened without tools. If you dropped the tools, you probably wouldn’t have had the excitement.

    Tex! You can’t seem to understand that YOU HAVE THE TOOLS, love them, and after 15 years STILL haven’t gotten them to work for you!

    That’s the issue! If they worked, you wouldn’t be here bitching about how the price caused you to be an Amway failure.

    You only have yourself to thank for that!

  21. October 16, 2008 10:30 am

    pcj,

    I haven’t PUT them to work, yet. Stand by….

  22. Porkchopjim permalink
    October 16, 2008 8:11 pm

    I haven’t PUT them to work, yet. Stand by….

    Forgive me if I don’t hold my breath!

    You’ve had the tools for 15 years…you never used them?

    How can you claim that they have ‘valuable’ information if you have never field tested them?

    Did you just buy them because people who you admired…people who you now claim lied to you…told you to buy them?

    I’ll stand by! I can’t WAIT to see you put it all on the line and then fail so gloriously as you have proven only able to do.

    And when you do, I’ll be sure to point that out. You are an Amway Cult Loser! Get used to it.

  23. October 17, 2008 11:33 am

    Yawn. LOL

  24. November 16, 2008 8:05 pm

    Tex, you are just getting your ass handed to you…AGAIN!

    Why don’t you either quit, or become successful at Amway?

    What the hell is wrong with you?

    Mylanta!

  25. xbeliever permalink
    November 20, 2008 4:32 am

    For our part – we took just over $13000 worth of tools (tapes, books, videos, cds, dvds, literature, etc) to the dump when we quit.

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