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Speculation: Orrin Woodward’s Next Book: “Launching A Tax Sheltering Revolution”

December 1, 2008

Update 2013: AGO’s (Christian Mission Services) Form 990 with the IRS are now available on Guidestar for select tax years 2007, 2008 and 2011. At the time of the original post, these documents were not available.

Update April 15, 2009: Article updated with a response this response from Kevin T., former legal counsel to TEAM. Also updated Robert Dickie’s position at AGO; a previous version of this article implied that he left AGO in September 2008.


Supreme TEAM Leader Orrin Woodward proudly proclaims on his site that all proceeds from his book Launching A Leadership Revolution will be donated to All Grace Outreach, a 501c3 charitable organization. From its web site, the organization:

is committed to providing assistance to those in need. Our main focuses include helping abused, abandoned, and distressed children, supporting U.S. military families that have lost loved ones in war, and spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world.

In its newsroom section, All Grace Outreach lists a number of donations its made in the past two years:

  • August 2008: $5,000 to Angel Arms
  • May 2008: $5,300 to Evangelical Press
  • May 2008: $25,000 to Whaley’s Children Center (through Board Members Tim and Amy Marks)
  • May 2008: $5,000 to Special Operations Warrior Foundation
  • Early 2008: $10,000 to Angelman Syndrome Foundation
  • January 2008: $2,000 to J. P. Elder Middle School
  • October 2007: $15,000 to Whaley Children’s Center
  • January 2007: $6,000 to Here’s Life Inner City
  • January 2007: $15,000 to Kindred Spirit

There’s nothing wrong with donating money to charity, and I’m sure that the organizations listed above are worthy causes.

Here’s what I’m seeing as suspicious, however. Look at the leadership of All Grace Outreach: Robert Dickie III, Chief Executive Officer of TEAM, Robert Cassidy, Chief Information Officer of TEAM, and Kevin T., Chief Legal Counsel of TEAM1. Board members of AGO include Tim and Amy Marks. Who else is on the board of All Grace Outreach? I would wager that Orrin along with his other high-ranking TEAMmates are on the board.

Where is this idle speculation leading to? My main question is primarily financial. How much money is being “donated” to their organization that isn’t going to charity? Is All Grace Outreach being used as a tax-sheltering organization for Orrin and other members (Chris Brady? Randy Haugen?) of TEAM?

Orrin has a new post on his site today where he mentions December’s Book of the Month, The Go-Giver (which is available for just $13.57 on Amazon.com). Orrin comments on the Law of Value:

I have taught for years to give more than you receive. The goal should be to deposit more into each relationship that you have than can possibly be given back. This becomes harder the more relationships that you have and the more servant leaders that you have on your team. With that said, the goal is still to give more than you receive. When you add true value into people’s lives, people will want to add value into your life. Are you giving more in value than you require in payment?

How much is he giving to All Grace Outreach and then funneling back to himself?

Thoughts? Opinions?

The purpose of this post is not to accuse Orrin so much as it is to start a dialogue on the structure and organization of TEAM. In my opinion, there’s something that doesn’t quite add up when you watch, listen and read Orrin’s posts. Past and present TEAM members are encouraged to participate in the comments below!

Update April 15, 2009: I received an email response from Kevin T., the former legal counsel of TEAM, who wanted to respond to the question of whether or not AGO funds were ever misappropriated:

However, your article about AGO serving as a tax shelter has missed the mark entirely. First, it’s completely unfair to assume (without any factual basis) that someone is using a nonprofit organization as a “tax shelter.” The fact that Team officers are board members of AGO is not evidence of any wrongdoing. I value my integrity and I can assure you that funds from AGO were never used for any other purposes other than to promote its mission (spreading the gospel and helping disadvantaged kids). None of the board members were ever compensated, myself included.


1Kevin T. left his position from TEAM and AGO at the beginning of 2009 to work on his startup law ventures and private practice. In addition, Robert C. and Robert Dickie III are no longer with TEAM.

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31 Comments
  1. Gina permalink
    December 1, 2008 7:17 pm

    You are right Amthrax…something is stinky with this one. Assuming that Orrin does funnel his donation back to himself, wouldn’t that be tax evasion of sorts? Donations are not taxable and you get a rebate for making them. I would say that it could be that he is avoiding taxes and making himself look good to his followers. Maybe it is all just coincidence.

  2. PathfinderGlobal permalink
    December 2, 2008 9:24 am

    A Man already looks good to his followers, ….. that’s why they follow.

    When you create an IRS recognized foundation or charity, you can direct its efforts and money while receiving a tax deduction for donations you personally make, within IRS guidelines.

    The charity files a 990 tax return and is responsible to report its activity toward its approved mission. The charity, of course, is allowed to pay wages and have overhead expenses.

    The benefit to having leaders you trust, who care for the same ideals, and who already have enough income, is YOU CAN OPERATE A CHARITY WITH Z-E-R-O OVERHEAD !!!

    You will find him to be human, but quit looking for evil. He’s doing a LOT of good.

    Go thou and do likewise.

    .

  3. December 2, 2008 11:34 am

    PathFinderGlobal – Thank you for your comment. I have seen examples of my upline leaders saying one thing and doing another thing (http://tinyurl.com/5u52dg). It is for that reason why I subscribe to the “trust, but verify” line of reasoning.

    In the case of Woodward, I would like to trust him, but I have a difficult time of verifying some of his claims.

  4. December 2, 2008 11:50 am

    Gina – Coincidence or not, but I find it odd that the same leaders of TEAM are the same people running All Grace Outreach.

    What I do hope does not happen is at Major Functions, TEAM encourages people to make a financial donation to AGO. The reason why I hope this doesn’t happen is not because I’m against TEAM members giving to charity; it’s because TEAM members should realize that they are already giving to AGO when they sign up onto the TEAM leadership program. How does Orrin make money? Through MonaVie and through TEAM. A TEAM member buying MonaVie and participating in the TEAM program is already donating a portion of his own money to AGO.

    So, the question becomes, why donate even more?

    I remember at Major Functions, the leaders passing a basket around for Easter Seals; looking back, I wonder if that money really was sent to Easter Seals or back into the upline leaders’ pockets!

  5. Joecool permalink
    December 2, 2008 11:58 am

    Pure speculation on my part. But it makes sense. Convince your group to buy tools. Promote religion and morals as a part of your teaching. Your downline trusts and believes your intentions are pure. Then you run a “side” business, in addition to your “side” tools business and gain even more profits while getting a tax writeoff?

  6. mike permalink
    December 3, 2008 4:06 pm

    “I wonder if that money really was sent to Easter Seals or back into the upline leaders’ pockets!”

    When someone collects for a charity, they can give whatever portion of that money to the charity and keep the rest as “cost of overhead”

  7. Joecool permalink
    December 3, 2008 4:16 pm

    I smell a rat.

  8. Joecool permalink
    December 3, 2008 4:17 pm

    Now I smell a rat.

  9. Gina permalink
    December 4, 2008 10:31 am

    “Gina – Coincidence or not, but I find it odd that the same leaders of TEAM are the same people running All Grace Outreach.”

    Exactly!!! There are a plethora of charities out there, why did he pick the one run by his fellow TEAM leaders? Maybe he is just helping out a friend, maybe maybe maybe…
    If he was giving multiple donations to multiple charities, including Grace Outreach, I don’t think anyone would have noticed or thought it worth mentioning.

  10. April 15, 2009 2:19 pm

    Please see this update from the former legal counsel of TEAM, who states that the donations to AGO were never misappropriated.

  11. Sherry Fix permalink
    April 17, 2009 9:31 pm

    Why is it that you all have to be so suspicious about people who are teaching, learning, living and helping to create a good positive atmosphere while you all spend time bashing someone you know nothing about!! You are exactly the 95% thinkers that are so full of crap that you yourselft believe it all.
    Get a life!

  12. April 17, 2009 11:11 pm

    I’m asking the questions today that should have been asked of my leaders ten years ago, Sherry. If I did enough research into the leaders of INA, I would have found much to be disappointed in. You write that Orrin is “teaching, learning, living and helping to create a good positive atmosphere.” Okay, but isn’t one of the points of TEAM to make money? Set aside the self-improvement, have you helped yourself financially with TEAM and MonaVie (and before that, Amway/Quixtar)?

  13. July 15, 2010 7:44 am

    Thanks for this article. I have someone pitching me the orrin crap, and I am trying to dig out the dirt to through back at her. Why do they all get so defensive when someone asks questions?

    TO ALL ORRIN KOOLAID DRINKERS- questions are not an attack, statements are. Why are you so afraid to answer questions?

  14. July 15, 2010 8:21 am

    Kurt – There’s plenty of questions that I post regarding TEAM and Woodward. Check out my tag archives for them:

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/tag/orrin-woodward/
    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/category/team/

  15. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 11, 2011 3:15 pm

    TOD permalink
    March 10, 2011 7:20 pm
    When we bought Brady’s leadership book in Team, all of the profits went to charity. Does anyone know if that is still the case when MV sells it? My feeling is no, but I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

  16. June 24, 2011 7:32 am

    This article reads like a bathroom wall. Spreading rumors with no factual base. Assumptions and accusations to stir the masses. Get a life! Stir the pot and the mob will ensue! Laughable actually!

  17. Diane Holmes permalink
    January 3, 2012 10:15 am

    You all need the right information…before talking….about something you know nothing about!!! Orrin Woodward and ALL others involved with TEAM-LIFE are the absalute BEST of the BEST. You should be so lucky to have these friends in your life, who really are out to make a difference in peoples lives. What is said is the truth and ALWAYS followed thru with the most honest intent!
    Here is an update for you non believers…dated January 2012, Orrin Woodward has been awarded
    the ” 2011 Top 10 Small Buisness Award in Leadership ” by the
    I. A. B., the ” Independent Association of Buisness ”
    Those who speak without thinking first need to read the correct information and facts before listening to an unknown who may be bitter about who knows what. They too, sound like they could use information to help them thru where ever life’s choices have taken them. Everyone has a story and needs some kind of help. I so believe this is why I am here and why they have been brought into my life. The best information, by the best with heart! Only you can decide.
    God Bless, Diane Holmes

    p.s. what does amthrax stand for…it’s to bad there is always someone to start something, and yet hides behind a computor.

  18. January 3, 2012 6:47 pm

    Diane – Please read this blog post that debunks the leadership awards of Orrin Woodward.

  19. switch permalink
    January 4, 2012 6:32 am

    “p.s. what does amthrax stand for…”

    ROFL!!!!!

  20. webelieved permalink
    January 4, 2012 6:54 am

    Diane- I Find it interesting that you come here, find an article that has been buried for months and than comment as if you haven’t read a thing on this site. Hmmmm………….seems VERY suspicious to me that it always happens this way when a good conversation is happening under another thread. Perhaps a PC trying to debunk the conversation? Just a thought.

  21. webelieved permalink
    January 4, 2012 6:56 am

    She also sounds like a cd full of Team rhetoric and stop thinking jargon, cult loaded language.

  22. webelieved permalink
    January 4, 2012 6:58 am

    Diane- With friends like Orrin Woodward, who stole my time, my teams and my money after I did the work for YEARS, who needs enemies?

  23. Vogel permalink
    January 4, 2012 8:37 am

    How can you not be swayed by Dianne’s argument? She used three exclamation points and typed the word “BEST” in all caps. What more do you want? 🙂

  24. Kali Weber permalink
    June 11, 2012 11:39 am

    Amazing how we always want to find fault in things that are good. Sir Amthrax….who ever you are….Imagine if everything in your life was posted on the internet and followed you everywhere & then imagine there are people who only focus on the the negative, we all have negative baggage….even you Mr. Amthrax….just be thankful yours isn’t posted for the world to see.
    I have used the Team/Life CD’s and have been blessed by incredible changes in my relationships, my attitude, my marriage and my parenting…to me this is a WIN WIN and PRICELESS. I also have a 501c-3 charity creating bedrooms for children in need…we are totally donation & volunteer based, there are NO paid employees & intact I pay a babysitter while I volunteer my time and am not even allowed to use that as a tax deduction….we donate each year to our own organization, receive a tax deduction and at the same time are providing bedrooms for children in need…how is this wrong Mr. Amthrax???? We have even received donations to our charity from member’s of the Team Business….so I would say they are at least teaching people to give back!!!

  25. June 11, 2012 6:46 pm

    I’m not criticizing your business, I’m criticizing the TEAM/MFC/LIFE business opportunity. It does not lead to an abundance of financial riches that the leaders have been promising for nearly 20 years (in affiliation with Amway, MonaVie, and now LIFE).

  26. webelieved permalink
    June 12, 2012 8:53 am

    So what I hear Kali’s unlogic saying, if Bernie Madoff donated to her charity then it would make what he was doing ok?
    Or how about if a pastor stole from others but he he helped some people, using her logic it would be ok. I guess it is just baggage? Give me a break!
    Amthrax, I can tell she hasn’t read the whole site. She probably couldn’t handle the truth.

  27. webelieved permalink
    June 12, 2012 8:55 am

    I didn’t see Amthrax say a thing negative about Kali’s charity. Seems a bit off on the logic, and two totally different things.

  28. webelieved permalink
    June 12, 2012 8:56 am

    In fact I can tell Kali hasn’t even read this thread.

  29. webelieved permalink
    June 12, 2012 8:59 am

    Another thing you could add to this tax shelter article is the 200 plus companies Orrin had registered in his and other Team leaders names, it seems shell companies, registered to a parking lot in Nevada! Bet Kali hasn’t read that aritcle either.

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/the-many-companies-of-orrin-woodward-chris-brady-and-tim-marks/

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