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Jon and Barbara Sims, Black Diamonds, Formerly in Amway

August 14, 2009

Featured in MonaVie’s newest Black Diamond lifestyle documentary are Jon and Barbara Sims. They didn’t come out of nowhere, however. They are the downline of Randy and Val Haugen, who were originally part of Orrin Woodward’s TEAM-Amway-Quixtar organization before breaking off to form the Legacy Professional Development System.

Here’s what Orrin had to say about Jon and Barbara in happier times:

Congratulations go out to great friends and leaders John and Barbara Sims! The just hit the elite Black Diamond level. The average income for the Black Diamond level is $1,474,502 per year. (Plus a trip to Hawaii, a 10 day cruise in the Mediterranean and a black Mercedes!) John and Barbara are experienced MLM’ers and are making nearly six times more income per month in MonaVie than they ever received in previous MLM’s. More evidence that MonaVie has the best reward for performance ratio in the industry! The right product, the right compensation plan, the right people at the right time! John and Barb are so humble and give all the credit away to their God, their mentors Randy and Val Haugen, and the incredible MonaVie team. But we know that success at this high of a level only comes to people who practice daily habits of success. John and Barb are successful because they focus on helping others become successful. I love spending time with this couple as John is a philosopher of life and a modern day Abraham Lincoln. Barbara is a phenomenal encourager and an incredible servant to others. Together, they are an unstoppable team and are now receiving the fruits of their labor – one more couple who are accomplishing their goals and dreams on the MonaVie Team.

I do wonder how high the percentage is for those MonaVie Diamonds who have never been a part of any MLM versus those who got a head-start in another MLM (like Amway, Quixtar, Agel, etc.).

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26 Comments leave one →
  1. FreeFromQ* permalink
    August 14, 2009 10:54 am

    I also wonder if there are any MV Diamonds who were total newbies and built a network from scratch versus being a former big pin in another MLM.

  2. Joecool permalink
    August 14, 2009 12:17 pm

    FreeFromQ, what are you implying? LOL

  3. Joecool permalink
    August 14, 2009 4:06 pm

    Saw this comment by an MV distributor on a blog:

    “You’re clueless! What do you really know about MLM/Network Marketing? Monavie is not a startup. There is more than just an energy drink. I don’t bust my ass. Wake up, this is 2009! More millionaires have been created from Network Marketing than ANY other business…FACT!

    Sassy, do you have ANY IDEA how much money some people in Monavie, and other MLM’s are making, men and women in their 20’s and up??? If you knew what we knew, you’d do what we do!

    What do you do for a living Sassy? Work at some boring low paying job. Get the facts. Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Robert Kiyosaki ALL endorse MLM!”

  4. Candace permalink
    August 15, 2009 8:22 am

    See, yet again. This is what I’ve been saying for over a year…MonaVie leadership is very good at proselytizing other MLM leaders and enticing them over to MV….and allowing them to bring along their existing LOS. This one fact alone taints MonaVie and definitely smacks of unethical practices going much deeper than just this one issue.

    If a person with good business sense and personal ethics really looked at this one issue, researched it as thoroughly as they could, they would wisely choose not to be involved with MonaVie.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to smell the odor emanating from MonaVie’s kitchen.

  5. Candace permalink
    August 15, 2009 8:36 am

    I just watched that video.
    It is getting tiresome to see so many MonaVie kingpins and high pins making the pretense and presenting their lifestyle as though MonaVie is responsible for it all. They never discuss that for some of these lifestyle videos the houses, boats, trips, cars,and lifestyle are often the same toys they had while “doing” whatever MLM they came from before MonaVie.

    I love the play on emotions in this video. It is subtle. Barb really has no voice at all (sit there, be quite, look pretty, be the supportive Stepford wife) until it’s time to talk about the “woman topics”. Kids and the MORE project. I specifically enjoyed the tight shot on Barb’s face as she introduced the MORE project to the viewers. After kids and the MORE tax shelt….oops charity…were brought up, it was Barb’s turn to be quite again.

    Ain’t MLM equal opportunity cults just grand?!

  6. Michman permalink
    August 16, 2009 9:04 am

    I am not defending TEAM or the way they left Amway. I think both Amway and TEAM were in the wrong.

    But I could not agree LESS with Candace’s claim that it is unethical to leave one business and take your most valuable people with you.

    These things go on in all professions- real estate professionals, insurance sales, lawyers, accountants, stock brokers, etc.

    If a manager is hired from another company to build a team, he often goes to people with whom he has worked with before.

    There were many TEAM Diamonds who left Amway according to the rules and started a new venture. If done properly, what’s the big deal?

  7. August 16, 2009 10:42 am

    For me, it’s a matter of disclosure.

    Most people have a paper trail — called a resume or LinkedIn profile– which details where they have worked at in the past.

    I have seen numerous MLM kingpins who are reluctant or evasive when it comes to identifying their prior affiliations. In many videos, they make it seem as if the current MLM is the only one they’ve ever been with, or the one that’s provided the most explosive growth and profit for them.

    Now, granted, in the case of Jon and Barbara, they are doing an official MonaVie Black Diamond Documentary, so I understand why they wouldn’t mention the “other” opportunity by name. But what about at seminars, home meetings and one-on-ones? What’s their response to “how you built your MonaVie business so quickly?”

  8. August 16, 2009 6:01 pm

    How does a downline organization structured like Amway/Quixtar get reorganized to fit into a binary system like MonaVie? Who does the ordering? The upline or the corporation?

  9. Irv permalink
    August 17, 2009 8:18 am

    I hope I wasn’t the only one who was offended by Orrin’s omparison of Jon Sims to Abraham Linoln. Let’s see…Abe was a US President, gave the Gettyburg Address, and freed the slaves. Jon on the other hand, sells overpriced BS fruit juice. Jon has more in common with a plantation slavemaster than with Abe Linoln. Orrin’s hyperbole is laughable, once again. What an idiot!

  10. August 17, 2009 8:40 am

    That’s right, Irv. Orrin props up to hyperbolic heights his fellow kingpin friends when they are with him… and gives them the silent treatment when they leave him.

  11. Irv permalink
    August 17, 2009 7:48 pm

    When they start comparing Dallin Larceny to MLK, I’m going to have to hurt somebody.

  12. Mike D permalink
    August 17, 2009 8:54 pm

    Black Diamonds with no networking experience. 2 off the top of my head are Mick and Vick Karnsher and Holly and Corbin Roush. But I’m sure you don’t care….

  13. August 17, 2009 9:57 pm

    Here’s a video with Holly and Corbin Roush. Interesting to note that Holly is the one driving the business. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrwzy9GYXyw

  14. Irv permalink
    August 18, 2009 8:30 am

    Off the top of you head eh Mike? Hardly! You have to search high and low on the list to find examples of high-level exec distributors that didn’t come from another MLM. Roush is the exception to the rule.

  15. Irv permalink
    August 18, 2009 8:42 am

    I just watched that Roush video…OMFG!!! What a whore! She admits that she pays her kid $1 a day to drink Monavie and then explains how she pimps her child to hawk Monavie. Roush says: “what do you every time a new friend comes over and their mommy is not selling Monavie, what did you do.“ Her poor exploited child answers “ask them to sign up”.

    What kind of sick worthless bitch would exploit her child in such a way?. No wonder people HATE Monavie!

  16. Mike D permalink
    August 18, 2009 9:00 am

    LOL! You are a riot dude! Name calling always shows class!

  17. Irv permalink
    August 18, 2009 10:28 am

    As much class as exploiting a 5-year old child to hawk BS fruit juice?

  18. Mike D permalink
    August 18, 2009 4:45 pm

    Your entitled to your opinion no matter how off base you are. Inc. Magazine has a different perspective!

  19. Irv permalink
    August 18, 2009 9:14 pm

    A different perspective on what? Roush using child labor to sell Monavie? Sims being compared to Abe Lincoln? Some other ridiculous pathetic Monavie BS?

  20. Mike D permalink
    August 18, 2009 9:34 pm

    LOL!!! Keep tryin! 🙂

  21. August 19, 2009 11:50 am

    Irv, I can understand your mental challenge (handicap) when it comes to the tidal wave that is called MonaVie, but I would like to tell you that Holly is no BS, and that the kid is perfectly fine with introducing other kids into the business of her mom.

    Do you not ask your kids to get involved with your family business? (assuming you have a healthy one) Do you not ask the kids to do something simple (such as folding envelopes) and then rewarding them for doing so (eg. 10 cents an envelope)?

    If that is NOT “child abuse”, and I am astonished at how lowly your vocabulary can be, pardon my forthrightness, then why should Holly encouraging her kid to do what the mom has to do anyway become BS?

    I think YOU need to come clean and understand that networking parents simply teach their kids to network too, much like Christian parents teach their children to share the gospel with others too.

    Thanks, Rykel

  22. Irv permalink
    August 20, 2009 12:24 am

    Rykel, Monavie isn’t a “tidal wave’, it’s an overflowing toilet. You seem unable to understand that the world hates Monavie, in large part because of the incessant pushiness and ruthless, predatory tactics used by its distributors – the kind of distributor that has to pay their infant child a dollar in order to coerce them to drink Monavie and pitch it to the neighbor’s children. This is why Monavie distributors don’t get invited to neighborhood BBQs and parties; this is why people don’t return their phone calls or e-mails. When people see you panhandling with your bottle of purple fools-juice in hand, they run the other way. They laugh at you for believing idiotic marketing propaganda from a bunch of blatant thieves, criminals, and liars and for gambling everything on a business venture so ludicrous that it makes Jack’s magic beans look like blue-chip stock.

  23. Mike D permalink
    August 24, 2009 12:31 pm

    Inc Magazine!! MonaVie is the #1 fastest growing privately held company in the food and beverage category and #18 overall! Get used to them cause they ain’t goin nowhere!!!

  24. Jaytex permalink
    April 15, 2013 1:41 pm

    I was a realtor who met Robert Kiyosaki before he was famous. Robert suggested I find and join a good MLM and take the profits and invest. In 2005 after several years of waiting I followed his advice and started working with 3 guys I met on line in a web based MLM. in Feb of 2006 we joined Monavie. I was the oldest member of the group and the rookie with the leased experience in MLM. Monavie was a great training ground and I watched my buddy make a million and I made a couple thousand a month as I trained and learned the ropes. Monavie faltered in 2009 as did 90% of America. Our team moved to another company and again my buddy made millions. We didn’t need to bad mouth Monavie and I am not here to promote what I am doing now. I have been making 15K+ a month in my MLM for a couple of years now and am approaching half a million in earnings. I have helped countless people finically and health wise and been blessed with the best years of my life. When I see all the negative ranting I understand why people are where they are. America is full of opportunity but I have yet to find a perfect business of any kind that is easy that you put a few hundred dollars into work for a couple of months and get rich. If anyone knows one please contact me immediately.If you don’t like a product don’t market it. The grocery store is full of things I don’t eat but I go there all the time. There are three categories that all business fall into. Sole Proprietor,Franchise, and MLM. There are scams in all three and legitimate business all around. Amway and Monavie are mentioned in this blog and they are not in the scam column though both are imperfect. The real enemy to success in most of the comments above is the person typing,not the company they are critiquing with little true perspective.

  25. April 15, 2013 8:36 pm

    Jaytex

    Is the lure to jump in and comment on a “negative blog” so strong?
    Would you recommend your downlines do the same or, if you feel as you do about what you are doing and about what is on this blog, i.e. “negative”, why then not comment using your full names?
    Or would that be an issue with you should your downlines discover that you have been on a “negative” site? You know the best sermons are lived, eh?

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