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But I Thought We Were In MonaVie TEAM to Make Money?

September 23, 2009

I thought the slogan for TEAM was to “Have Fun, Make Money, and Make a Difference!” After watching a portion of a recent video Orrin Woodward gave to TEAM, I’m not so certain. In Total Success, Woodward compares how a job, conventional business and a TEAM/MonaVie business contribute (or not) to these five components of human happiness:

  1. Spiritual
  2. Social
  3. Economic
  4. Political
  5. Mental

He also throws Physical Success as a sixth parameter, since MonaVie proponents claim that it brings better health by daily consumption.

In the video, Orrin goes on to show how a typical job or conventional business does not improves one’s spiritual, social, political and mental lives. It might bring in money (economic), but without those other critical components, “you’re not human.” TEAM MonaVie, on the other hand, he claims, brings benefits to all these components.

… except — in the example he uses — economically. What Woodward does here is very clever. He inverts the argument to make people feel okay about losing money in this venture by saying (I’m paraphrasing here): “Look, it doesn’t matter that you’re not making any money, look at all the other benefits you’ve gotten from being in this business and in association with TEAM!”

In short, Woodward dresses the person down, arguing that he or she is not looking at the whole picture.


In the TEAM MonaVie scenario, one might not be making any money, but they are being rewarded with — in Orrin’s opinion — better spiritual, political, mental, social, and physical lives.

This is the bait and switch which ensnares many people who join an MLM like Amway or MonaVie and are aligned with a “motivational and training” organization like TEAM, INA, WWDB, or BWW.

The reason why people joined in the first place was not because TEAM looked like an interesting social club, it’s because they wanted to make money and have more time. People who are losing money in MonaVie have neither. They spend more time attending meetings, hosting tastings, and propsecting. They spend more money on tools and product. Orrin talks about the 2-5 year plan; this is a mirage for the majority (we’re talking 98%) of the people who join.

Be sure to check out Rocket’s take on Orrin’s post on his web site.

17 Comments leave one →
  1. Richie permalink
    September 23, 2009 11:35 pm

    This is the problem with Orrin and his business. NOBODY makes any money!!! So he has to spin the experience as if it’s a positive even though the net financial return is way in the negative. It’s the same business as AMWAY!! And he sued amway for being a pyramid scheme. Does anyone else see the irony? Can you imagine the McDonald’s franchise telling it’s franchisees, “You might be losing your shirt, but look at all these intangiable benefits of running a business and being your own boss.” ūüėČ

  2. September 24, 2009 5:40 pm

    Orrin Woodward is full of shit.

    He can’t even face adversity head on!

    What a farce of an organization TEAM is.

  3. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    September 24, 2009 6:50 pm

    TEAM was never intended for anybody to make money. Now with Monavie there is less of a chance at all to make money unless you were a Black Diamond in a previous MLM and have your team put in the TEAM Monavie fairytale. All those seminar and TEAM functions are are overpiced ways of associating with other people. I know of anyone who has made any money on TEAM Monavie, except the same people that are the same ones who speak every year. Good luck all you blind sheeple cuz you will need it!
    I am proud to be a working class blue collar man and if Orral Woodhead says I’m a chump then f%$# him.

  4. September 24, 2009 7:22 pm

    hey guys,

    i know this is going to p*ss some of you off… but i am proud of my heritage with AMWAY and ORRIN WOODWARD/TEAM. ūüôā

  5. September 24, 2009 11:45 pm

    Good for you Rykel.

    Duly noted.

  6. Candace permalink
    September 25, 2009 6:44 am

    That’s exactly what it is, a bait and switch. Entice desperate sheeple with the bait of making money, then switch it up to show the sheeple how important it is to remain “in the business” because of all the other benefits they are receiving, implying they are morons if they even consider leaving. And then the sheeple have formed all these “lifetime friendships” (by design) and forget that the reason they signed up in the first place was to make money.

    I am linking back to this post on Lazy Man.

  7. September 25, 2009 9:26 am

    All this time my point has been that there are other ways to make money and less expensive methods to improve ones life than to be in TEAM/MonaVie (or BWW/INA/WWDB/N21/Amway). If you’re happy to be where you are, fine, I’m not talking to you.

    I’m speaking to the person who looks at his or her finances every month and wonders why the return on investment is so poor with TEAM MonaVie. The one who doesn’t quite realize the extent to which he or she has duped.

    Orrin says that he’s in the business of delivering hope. How would you define hope without results? I’d call it an acai tree without any acai berries! Not much use for making MonaVie. Then again, who knows really how much acai is in each bottle of MonaVie?

  8. September 27, 2009 8:40 am

    You thought you were in Monavie to make money?


    ORRIN is in Monavie to make money.

    But he’ll make you feel good about giving him your money!

  9. September 28, 2009 6:41 am

    Having been part of the Orrin clan for several years, i have seen it all. I could you give you some scary stats about the average Monavie distributor.

  10. September 28, 2009 10:39 am

    Let’s hear!

  11. built permalink
    October 6, 2009 5:43 pm

    I have followed Orrin and Team, however I did join MonaVie…just not team. “the-team” has forgotten why they left the previous company. Seems as if they have become the very thing they separated themselves from. The MonaVie experience has been great for me up to this point. I am glad that I am NOT a part of “the-team”


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