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Profit Per Employee = Profit Per Downline???

October 7, 2009

Orrin Woodward, leader of TEAM, tweeted this nugget a few hours ago:

Profit per employee is the most important metric in a company today. – Hamel Live #WBF09

Admittedly, Orrin is repeating a quote from someone else at a conference, but he liked it enough to post it to his 60,000+ followers. I’m calling Woodward out on this, however, because he himself said that it’s not that important if you’re not profiting economically from MonaVie when you’re profiting in so many different ways. Orrin, dude, what’s the average and median profit per distributor in TEAM? The MonaVie IDS has pretty sad numbers showing the lack of profit for the vast majority of people selling MonaVie. Is TEAM any different?

19 Comments leave one →
  1. Joecool permalink
    October 7, 2009 2:11 pm

    Shameless. But hey, once an IBO is buying the tools, upline makes money whether you succeed, fail, or do nothing. I wonder how miserable the rate is of IBOs who profit versus IBOs who do not profit?

  2. Irv permalink
    October 15, 2009 8:12 am

    If anything, the failing IBO would probably generate more sales tools revenue than a successful IBO. Just imagine a TEAM distrbutor complaining about poor sales. The prescrption from Orrin will be to buy more motivational books, more sales training CDS, more Monavie bumper stickers, and to attend more meetings. That translates into more money in Orrin’s pocket. Whether the IBO ever succeeds is largey irelevant to the TEAM profit equation.

  3. October 15, 2009 9:24 am

    irv, that makes no sense. A *succeeding* IBO will be bring in new tool customers. One customer can only buy so much. To expand you need more customers, which can come about through helping an IBO succeed.

  4. Joecool permalink
    October 15, 2009 10:51 am

    Irv you are correct. Amway IBO’s solution to a failing business is to spend more on tools and to open (sponsor) more failing businesses.

  5. Cindy permalink
    October 15, 2009 7:07 pm

    Well, now Orrin’s profit per employee just went up…by a lot. His CEO Bob Dickie resigned. And noticeably absent from his letter was no mention of Orrin. Shall we add Mr. Dickie to the camp of people sprinting away from Orrin?

  6. October 15, 2009 11:00 pm

    Very interesting indeed, Cindy. Thanks for the finding that link!

  7. ajgannon permalink
    October 16, 2009 9:56 am

    I’m definately not a supporter of TEAM, Woodward and the gang. However, where do you gather that Dickie is “sprinting away from Orrin”, implying that he has negative thoughts about Woodward and TEAM. Many people leave their jobs and move on to other things while still appreciating the experiences they had. I’m just pointing this out because I think it undermines your credibility when you come to conclusions without having the facts. There’s a part of me that enjoys seeing Woodward get beat up by you guys, so I’m not sure why I’m writing this. I’m on vacation, so I guess I have too much time.

  8. Cindy permalink
    October 17, 2009 8:58 pm

    ajgannon, it was a question. If Bob Dickie has such fond memories for Orrin, where is the love in his resignation post. Literally, there was zero reference to Orrin or any other leader on Team! Don’t you find that odd? Not a single “It’s been an honor serving with the diamonds, etc.” Nothing?

  9. October 18, 2009 1:31 pm

    Orrin isn’t a leader, he’s afraid to have a public debate with anyone about the ethics of his “leadership” business.

    He is a complete coward.

  10. Outside Looking in permalink
    October 21, 2009 9:25 pm

    Oh it get’s better. Rumor from inside TEAM office in Flint is not only has the CEO resigned, but so has the Chief Information Officer. Like rats fleeing the sinking ship! Also rumors of house cleaning by Orrin and his fellow “leaders”. Go make a difference Diamonds, put more people in the unemployment line.

  11. October 22, 2009 6:49 am

    Outside Looking In – What do you think is the reason they are leaving TEAM? What do your sources say?

  12. Outside Looking in permalink
    October 22, 2009 1:26 pm

    Lets just say the writing on the wall is clear to them.

  13. October 22, 2009 9:10 pm

    Writing on the wall?

    Can you elaborate?

  14. Outside Looking in permalink
    October 23, 2009 8:28 am

    I need to see how the next couple weeks go. I have an acquaintance that used to work there, and she is still very close with a current employee there.

  15. Sam permalink
    October 25, 2009 9:24 am

    Did any of you see this!? Orrin Woodward lost the arbitration against Amway!

    He owes something like $25 million. Lets wait and see if he starts selling $10,000 tool trunks;)

  16. Outside Looking in permalink
    November 2, 2009 8:21 pm

    Well, Orrin and Chris are writing another book, anyone have some title suggestions?

  17. Candace permalink
    November 3, 2009 9:08 am

    “Fleecing the Sheeple, part deux”

  18. Randy Watson permalink
    November 5, 2009 10:43 am

    I couldn’t agree more with Cindy, there was no edification of the Diamonds etc. in Robert’s ‘good-bye’ post.

    It seems like anyone that gets close to Orrin eventually walks. Why? Could it be that they see the man’s true colors?

    Here is a short list of Team folks that have left Mr. Woodward:

    Billy and Peggy Florence – Former distributors of Team mentioned that they no longer speak or associate with Team

    Team’s former Lawyer Kevin Thompson left the org

    Randy Haugen & Team Legacy – They got on board with Orrin then eventually split town according to former Team members

    Team’s own CEO Robert Dickie III resigned

    Apparently Team’s CIO Bob Cassidy recently resigned (was this the same time as the CEO?)

    Where are they now? – Jeff Granger, Greg Rau, John Morgan (These are just a few names of former Round Table leaders that team members have said ‘vanished’) If it is so good at the RT level and above as they promote in their industry, why are people walking away?

    Who else are we missing on this list?

    maybe Fred harteis? Didn’t he side with Quixtar over Orrin a few years back?

  19. Randy Watson permalink
    November 5, 2009 6:47 pm

    oh yeah…chuck goetchel is no longer with them as well. dropping like flies

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