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Inspire or Expire?

November 10, 2009

Last week, TEAM Leader Orrin Woodward tweeted this nugget of wisdom on which I would like to comment:

A leader must inspire or their team will expire. #leadership

In general, I do agree with his statement. I’ve seen many companies wither away due to the lack of a strong CEO, management team, or vision. Let’s analyze his quote through the prism of a multi-level marketing business. What happens if the upline Diamond, Double Diamond, Black Diamond, etc. stops inspiring his or her team?

First, consider this quote from Woodward:

I have pledged my life to building leaders and teaching them how to build communities of leaders for long term results. When I get a no, I convert them into customers of MonaVie. But my number one objective is to teach people the principles of residual income. I do this by teaching them the difference between Barge working and Bridge building. You control your own destiny. Are you Barge working or Bridge Building in your life? The choice you make will make all the difference.

MLM leaders frequently stand up on stage saying things like, “Build it once and you will be paid forever!” or “Create a lifetime, will-able income for you and your family!” When you look at the details and numbers closely, however, you see that this image of residual income is really a mirage.

Orrin has certainly built a bridge with TEAM, one that generates him money on an ongoing basis with each sale of a CD, MonaVie juice purchase, or function ticket. Orrin’s problem, however, is that he has created a cult of personality within TEAM. Call him what you will, the central figurehead, grand poobah or Supreme TEAM Leader; without him, TEAM is nothing. Though he still has some trusty lieutenants by his side, he has also experienced many defections — I guess those people are leading by leaving! In short, he hasn’t created a organization of leaders, he’s created an organization of followers. Because of this, Orrin’s job is to continue pumping out new tools, holding new functions and cutting new CDs in order to keep the “inspiration” flowing through his members. In my opinion, Orrin might have built the bridge, but he’s also the primary repairman too!

From the perspective of an MLM organization, Orrin has it right on. If he fails to inspire his downline to continue buying products and tools, his TEAM will collapse, and the residual income that he talks so highly about will dry up. In a way, he’s creating something akin to a stock market bubble. Instead of publicly traded companies, he’s dealing with people’s financial hopes and dreams. Should the bubble ever burst, watch out!

25 Comments leave one →
  1. November 11, 2009 10:51 am

    Woodward is done. He’s been preaching about “the best opportunity ever” for 10 years. He’s gone nowhere. Scamway got rid of him, his team is defecting, and he’s landed on monavie to promote his tool scam. He’s a shameful character but he’s got a cult following. It’s the strangest thing.

  2. November 11, 2009 8:22 pm

    Orrin is a chickenshit like all the other Hucksters out there.

  3. November 12, 2009 11:56 am

    Come now, Rocket. Tell us what you *really* think about Woodward.

  4. Randy Watson permalink
    November 13, 2009 12:13 am

    I got contacted the other day by some guy in his organization. I was shopping and he was stalking me out at the mall trying to drop a contacting line on me. He said “I am expanding a business in the area and we may have a position for you.” I love the posture that they try to lead with; the fact is they would take anyone dumb enough to fork over their hard earned coin to woodward and crew. Talk about a horrible opportunity, when are people going to wake up and see his true colors. Forbes magazine did a story on him because they know a scam when they see one. He and his cronies got sued for 25 million and it won’t be long before his saam team goes under and all those folks will realize that they had been had.

  5. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    November 16, 2009 2:37 pm

    I think you guys should all get together and read a Top 5 book or listen to the SOL cd 666 and end all this negativity to the Great Deceiver Oral Woodhead.

  6. ORAL WOODHEAD permalink
    November 18, 2009 5:47 pm

    “Oral Woodward…the great deceiver” That is hilarious my friend 😉

  7. November 20, 2009 5:36 am

    I am a friend of Orrin Woodward, and I beg to differ. He is one of the greatest leader ever. Like him or hate him, he is making a positive difference in people’s lives. 🙂

  8. November 20, 2009 2:25 pm

    For a profit.

    Keep shelling out to him Rykel! He’ll keep telling you what a winner you are!

    If your “leader” is so great, why doesn’t he engage his critics?

    Because he is a coward.

    That’s why.

  9. November 22, 2009 6:00 am

    rocket, until and unless the Anti-Amway Kingpins identify their true identities, I do not see why Orrin should “engage” anybody on the internet.

    I do NOT see Mr President Obama “engaging” his online critics either.

    Moreover, it does NOT befit a leader to take personal shots at himself. That is what his defenders are for.

    If you want to engage Orrin, engage his defenders first.

    Hope it makes sense, and thanks for reading!

  10. November 22, 2009 12:00 pm

    No, he just isn’t comfortable having a frank discussion about the ethics of his business.

    My anonymity has NOTHING to do with Orrin’s deceptive motivational business that even Amway wouldn’t put up with.

    How much you making from your magic juice Rykel?

  11. November 23, 2009 6:41 am


    My refusal to engage with you in any in-depth and personal discussion has EVERYTHING to do with your anonymity.

    I hope you can see it from my point of view and understand that while I have no personal vendetta against you or anybody for that matter, I do not believe that you have my best interest at heart either.

    At least Orrin keeps telling me what a winner I am! (~~”I feel good”~~) hehee

    btw, I believe that outside of these comments, YOU, along with “amthrax”, “major” etc. are great fellows too!

    If you ever visit Singapore, be sure to give me a call and I will bring you to the best food in town. 🙂

  12. Joecool permalink
    November 23, 2009 10:08 am

    Funny how the label “winner” disappears once you stop buying motivation from these wonderful leaders.

  13. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    November 23, 2009 3:39 pm

    They will always call you a winner even when you get to the point of quitting.
    I was a “winner” when I signed people up got on system, did DOT1 STEP1, and followed the rest of the sheeple to Monavieland. I then realized Monavie was far worse than AMWAY and started backing off little by little and finally quitting. The same people who called me “winner” were now stabbing me in the back and putting me down to my face. These idiots are so f***in’ brainwashed the Great Deceiver its sad.
    Rykel, I met Oral Woodhead and I thought he was a pompous arrogant prick.
    With friends like that you sure won’t need any enemies. GODSPEED Rykel!!

  14. Joecool permalink
    November 24, 2009 9:02 am

    I might also add that your adoration for these wonderful leaders starts to wane once you stop listening to their motivational speeches.

  15. November 24, 2009 9:52 am


    I am just curious about one thing you said… “I then realized Monavie was far worse than AMWAY…”

    Care to clarify?

  16. November 24, 2009 10:21 am

    I’ll bite. $30-40/bottle. Once a week. Four times a month. 12 months out of the year. $1440-$1920/year/person. On fruit juice made from concentrate. Multiple by number of people in your family.

    Brainwas… err motivation to keep drinking said fruit juice – at least that much, possibly more, per year per adult in the household.

    From a financial standpoint, it’s not a good deal for 99% of the people who are involved.

  17. November 25, 2009 6:02 am

    Hi Amthrax,

    I was just wondering in what ways MonaVie is “worse” than Amway, as per Major’s statement…

    btw, for whoever cares to listen – a MonaVie Distributor’s 1-2 cases on autoship can be loaned to Preferred Customers (so they do not have to wait for their products) and each time this happens, it earns US$25-50 for the Distributor, with no catch. (No need to buy anything + the money is in the bank by this Friday!)

  18. Candace permalink
    November 25, 2009 7:36 am

    That doesn’t even make sense.
    If the cases are loaned, how are the used cases then returned to the rightful owner? YUCK!
    And then what happens when the “preferred customer’s” products they were waiting on do come in? Who pays then? And are you saying that the 1-2 cases on a MonaVie distributor’s auto ship are never paid for? You said “no need to buy anything and the money is in the bank by this Friday”. $25.00 to $50.00 certainly doesn’t cover the cost of a case of worthless MonaVie juice. Oh, unless you’re MonaVie LLC, then, of course, it more than covers the cost, and the rest is alllllll profit for Dallin Larceny.

  19. November 25, 2009 8:49 am

    To all who care to listen again…

    Candace asked a few good questions about the idea of “loaning” juice to earn money, but I am NOT replying her directly because of the amount of unsubstantiated and bigoted words in her post…

    I would have been more than pleased to answer her in a professional and nice (sweet) manner had she not initiated a string of biased hate-speech in her description about MonaVie/Dallin Larsen etc. (as if MonaVie and Dallin offended her personally!)

    Anyway, I would like to clarify that the Preferred Customers do NOT return used cases to the Distributor.

    Instead, they purchase directly from the Preferred Customers’ website and have their products shipped to their Distributor to replace the cases which have been loaned to them.

    btw, the products will be shipped out only AFTER payment has been made to MonaVie.

    “No need to buy anything” refers to the fact that you do not need to be Active or Qualified in order to earn the Preferred Customer bonus.

    p/s. If you do not know the difference between Active and Qualified, you may purchase a copy of “The MonaVie Compensation Plan” DVD from me and learn it all.

    Thank you for reading!

  20. Candace permalink
    November 25, 2009 10:20 am

    “unsubstantiated and bigoted words…”
    “…a string of biased hate speech…”

    Rykel. You have indeed consumed the koolaid. When a person has become so entrenched in blindly adoring a person or entity that any differing opinion or even factual information is called “hate speech”, that person can be considered to be brainwashed and involved in a cult like activity.

    I don’t give a fig pudding about your explanations. Justify the creative financing of your “business” all you want. I am not buying it, and neither are many other intelligent people.

    In the interest of the sharing and giving nature of the Holidays, I will tell you something. I will state it only once, so pay attention.

    In your future, roughly 2-5 years from now, I see one of 3 things happening.

    1. You come to realize that we’ve been telling you the truth all along. You are outraged and become even more vocal and outspoken than we have been in your opposition to scams like the one you’re currently involved with.

    2. You come to realize that we’ve been telling you the truth all along, but you are so downhearted, disappointed, and disgusted that you sink into a deep depression and blame anyone and everyone around you for the choice you made to ignore the warning signs. You fail to realize that you were brainwashed and had your emotions, thoughts, and finances controlled by your hero, Orrin Woodward.

    3. You beat the odds and somehow achieve a modicum of success in your MonaVie “business”. At which point you realize that it IS all a scam, that the tool money is another side scam, and to keep your income coming in, you must acquiesce, must conform, and become like the other kingpins or risk the entire pyramid collapsing in on itself. You are simply “in too deep”. At this point, you make another choice, either to do the right thing and watch it all implode, or become as crooked and dishonest as your mentor(s).

    One of the above 3 scenarios is in your future, and they are there only because you have made a choice right now, today, to hide your eyes from the truth.

    May your blinders come off sooner, rather than later, to provide you and your loved ones the least amount of heartache.

  21. November 25, 2009 10:38 am

    I made a personal effort to explain to Candace what she did not understand (and there is NOTHING WRONG with not understanding something), and what I get from her is, “I don’t give a fig pudding about your explanations.”

    I wish I could just say something unkind in her face, but the love of Christ compels me otherwise.

    Candace: I choose today to bless and no curse. To love and not hate. To say to you, “May your life, your work and your family be BLESSED. Everything.”

    Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!! 🙂

    “A man of integrity expects people to believe him, and time will prove him right.” (Orrin Woodward)

  22. Joecool permalink
    November 25, 2009 11:21 am

    Whether it be Amway or Mona Vie, how can anyone conclude these are good opportunities when the vast majority of people lose money?

  23. Candace permalink
    November 25, 2009 11:45 am

    Rykel mistakenly states:

    “A man of integrity expects people to believe him, and time will prove him right.” (Orrin Woodward)

    Your hero didn’t coin that phrase. He took something that someone else said, paraphrased it, and led you to believe it was his. What else has he done this with?

    In John C. Maxwell’s book “Developing the Leader Within You”, copyrighted 1993, Mr. Maxwell gives credit for that quote to Ann Landers, aka Ruth Crowley. See page 44 of John C. Maxwell’s book:
    small link:

    original link:

    Rykel, what other things are you mistaken about in regards to Orrin Woodward?

  24. November 26, 2009 6:53 am

    I would have to agree with Joecool, at least on MV. With only 13% of people active and on autoship, there would be very few making money. Let alone making enough to cover the cost of the juice and TEAM’s training system.


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