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On The Way To One Million

March 2, 2010

It’s been nearly one month since I last posted; I’ve been quiet because there really isn’t that much to write about these days that hasn’t already been covered. Major Functions for various Amway or MonaVie Systems have come and gone, where the same old rah rah from the previous function three months ago is recycled and regurgitated back to the masses.

Orrin Woodward’s TEAM had its Major a week or two ago in St. Louis. There have been a few clips published online from it and no doubt, the title of Orrin’s next CD will be, “Just do it.” In the talk, Orrin has no patience for the excuses people come up with for not building the business. To him, people fail in the business because they are simply not willing to “do it.” Since he and his power council friends “did it,” he can’t comprehend a scenario where someone, despite doing everything set forth in his tapes, books and CDs, fails. It’s just not possible in his worldview.

If there’s anything that I’m going to hold Orrin to, it’s his oft-stated goal of having one million members in TEAM. Just today, he tweeted:

Heading up to the Windy City to see a group of rowdy rascals! On our way to 1 million people.

Will he make it to one million? Remember, he’s been saying this for a long, long time now, since he was an Amway distributor. Personally, I bet the chances of Woodward getting one million followers on Twitter is much higher than his chances of TEAM gaining one million members. After all, he’s only 1/10 of the way to one million on Twitter; TEAM has what, 15,000 members at most? Of course, if you subtract all of the suspect followers he has — and they are legion — I think the true number of followers will be much less than 105,468.

Readers, what do you think? Will Orrin Woodward make good on his goal of gaining 1,000,000 members in TEAM? Post your comments below!

Update 2010-03-06: Orrin’s recent tweet reiterates his goal to get to 1,000,000 members:

I am looking for a 1000 leaders to build 1000 people teams for 1 million people in the Team community.

20 Comments leave one →
  1. Burned Out With MV permalink
    March 3, 2010 7:43 am

    About as much of a chance as the “R3Global promotion designed “to break 2000 new Diamonds and 200 Black Diamonds in the next 2-3 years.”

    Playing the numbers game, I still doubt for either there are enough people in the world with incomes above the poverty level to support this factoring in the horrendous attrition rates in MLM.

  2. Joecool permalink
    March 3, 2010 8:52 am

    The next Amway major functions are this month. Spring conference aka Leadership will be held, I l;elieve in March and April. One more plane ticket for many IBOs.

  3. Candace permalink
    March 3, 2010 9:08 am

    My personal opinion only, not open for debate:
    No. It’s not going to happen. Woodward has a greater chance of being involved in another 2 or 3 lawsuits and jumping ship several times to other MLMs than he has of gaining 1 million TEAM members.

  4. March 4, 2010 6:30 pm

    They may be on the way to a million bank accounts drained needlessly.

  5. Outside Looking In permalink
    March 6, 2010 5:33 pm

    Well, the size of the most recent Team “Major” was approx 6700, there once was a time when a monthly Michigan Seminar was larger than that. I’ve also been told one of Teams largest weekly “Open” is now a jaw dropping 30-60.

    Orrin now has wives of his “leaders” accusing their husbands of not being man enough to lead a business to success.

    The Team support office continues to lay off workers and in the words of one worker who still is employed, “we now have to do twice the work for the same pay.”

    The current CEO’s idea of saving money is to cut the cleaning staff (a 20k a year job) and the demand that everyone on the staff takes turns cleaning the offices. If they don’t want to clean they then have to put money from their own pockets and those that clean get to split the pot.

    Orrin continues to blame others for his failure as a leader.

  6. March 6, 2010 7:36 pm

    OLI – Thanks for the comment. If true, it looks like the economy has taken its toll on the business side of TEAM as well.

    I find his comment in his latest post contradictory to what you’ve written:

    Second, no matter how bad the facts are, there is always the potential for a turnaround as long as you do not blame others or self-deceive yourself. I have never seen a hopeless situation, but have seen many hopeless leaders in situations. I believe one of the strongest attributes of any leader is his undying optimism to get through no matter what the odds against him. By accurately confronting the data, it will force you to assign blame to yourself and generate action plans to get better.

    Can your contact within TEAM give us the explanation he’s giving to the laid off employees as to why they are being let go? How much visibility (if any) into the backend TEAM operations is seen from the part of TEAM members?

  7. Burned Out with Mona Vie permalink
    March 7, 2010 10:10 am

    I can’t help by wonder what line of cleaning products his staff uses?

  8. March 7, 2010 12:27 pm

    I look forward to more updates from OLI.

  9. Cindy permalink
    March 7, 2010 6:22 pm

    Orrin Woodward’s recent tweet: he’s looking for 1000 people to build 1000 people teams so they can go to a million. I’m not very good with math but it looks like they’re back to starting from scratch. Orrin is delusional and as his business is back tracking, he’s still talking about “this is the best business ever” just like he did with Amway before he sued them as a ponzi scheme.

  10. March 7, 2010 8:22 pm

    Cindy – Thanks. I updated the post with Orrin’s tweet. I guess saying 1000 x 1000 is better than saying he’s looking for 985 people to build 1000 people teams (assuming TEAM numbers 15,000 today).

  11. Cindy permalink
    March 7, 2010 8:28 pm

    Amthrax, the point is that he’s been saying this junk the entire time. When will his zealous Orinites figure out that nobody makes any money in his scheme. The guy has been at this for almost 15 years and he’s still got the SAME “leaders” singing his praises. Where has all of that tool money gone if there’s no new money makers? Answer: in his pocket! And he’s going backwards all while saying “the monavie team is exploding!” He’s such a deceptive jokester.

  12. Jeff permalink
    March 9, 2010 9:44 am

    I’m not saying that I believe Orrin will ever get to his 1 million people, however, “Outside Looking In” is obviously looking through a brick wall because there were between 15-20k people in Saint Louis – I being one of them. Also, at the Wisconsin Open meeting last month there were over 1200 people. Tonight, they are doing an open in Saginaw with Orrin, Dallin, Chris and Tim and they are expecting over 2000 people. That’s pretty impressive for a Tuesday evening.
    Will Orrin ever get to a million people in Team – I don’t really know. Is the Team as bad off as people are saying it is these days – I don’t really think so.

  13. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    March 9, 2010 5:11 pm

    Jeff, I was at the 2009 St. Louis Major and I and my friend estimated that there were no more than 7,000 people there. That was on a Saturday night. Friday night there was less than 4,000. A couple years back at the same location there was probably close to 30,000. That was when TEAM was in league with Amway. Most of the “Leaders” then are gone because there is no money selling jungle juice for $40 a bottle. I am from mid Wisconsin and I have been told that most of the teams are gone or nearly wiped out because they have no belief in Monavie. I am willing to bet that most of the people that were at the Madison open were IBOs. By the way how much did they charge for this open. I’m guessing it was’nt the usual $5.00 they charge for the Tuesday Night Opens. I hope you got a lot of nuggets from the people who have the cookie with fruit on the tree.

  14. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    March 9, 2010 5:18 pm

    Amthrax, do you think that people from the TEAM Support Office have been shown the “plan”? I figured that TEAM was recession proof, that was what we were always told. Maybe Orrin farmed the Support office to India or illegal immigrants. What are your thoughts on these layoffs?

  15. Burned Out with Mona Vie permalink
    March 9, 2010 6:30 pm

    Guess when they were preaching “There is no recession in Mona Vie” was just another lie too.

  16. March 9, 2010 7:53 pm

    MDS – I’ve always wondered what the paid staff — not the Platinums/Rubies/etc. who get the privilege to volunteer — think when their bosses talk negatively about jobs on stage. They probably see the underbelly of the best far better than the IBOs. This is why exposes such as Ruth Carter’s are so good to read. They show many of these uplines for what they really are.

    If the layoffs are true, it’s a sign that TEAM business is not doing well — despite the numbers at the Saginaw Open tonight that Orrin will certainly tweet about later. If I was laid off by TEAM and sickened by what it’s doing, I would follow Orrin’s advice and go into business for myself and do an expose on his empire. I’m sure there’s money to be made there!

  17. Jeff permalink
    March 9, 2010 9:19 pm

    Major Dave Stoner,

    I would agree that last year in St Louis there wasn’t nearly as many people as there was this year. I was there also. Since you and your friend estimated that there were no more than 7000 people there last year, my friends and I estimate that there were close to double that this year. 🙂
    I would also agree that there were more people back when the Team was associated with Amway. However, I honestly believe it has a lot to do with the fact that they don’t focus as much on the “system” with Monavie as they did with Amway. (I know it’s hard to believe but more people get involved because of the Monavie product then they ever did with Amway so there isn’t as much “system” talk initially like there was with Amway). I’m not naive enough to think that the whole Amway/Team fiasco didn’t hurt the Team but I still don’t think it’s nearly as bad as people are currently making it out to be.
    I also looked back at the blog Orrin wrote about the Super Open in Wisconsin and he clearly states that “there were close to 1200 people with over 250 guests”. Yes, the cost was more than the normal $5 – it was $10. I’ll let you know if he blogs about the numbers at the Super Open tonight in Saginaw.

  18. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    March 12, 2010 5:25 pm

    Jeff, what you are saying that there were 1200 IBO’s and another 250 people at the Wisconsin SOOPER OPIN. Thats @ 6 IBO’s to 1 “guest”. Sounds a lot like some of the last Tuesday Nite Opens I went to. Well, maybe I’m exaggerating a bit. I think it was more like 10 to 1 ratio. The last open I went to was done by Wayne Kirchner(is he still around?). I felt bad for him because there was 40+ IBO’s and just a few new people. Jeff all I’m saying is the more lies your upline and leaders to tell you the more it becomes their truth and I, like everyone else, are cowards sitting on our computers. I was with TEAM for five years. I have seen enough and heard enough shit to know these are not good people. I’m not talking about your immediate upline or your friend who got you signed up. I’m talking about Orrin, Chris and Tim. Good luck to you Jeff yer gonna need it.

  19. Outside Looking In permalink
    April 4, 2010 5:57 pm

    Sadly those that are still with OW and the TEAM continue to be in extreme denial.

    From my friend still working at the home office. Some of the employees have been shown the plan as a few used to be low level IBO’s. The current staff are not allowed to become MV members. “conflict of interest”.

    I was amused to hear my friend comment “I wonder if it’s the Jeff who takes credit for his wife actually starting and building the business yet not being able to speak since it’s not TEAM policy to let the women speak from stage as leaders.”


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