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Strange Bedfellows: Does Orrin Woodward Dream of Being a Critic?

March 10, 2010

Recently, Orrin wrote that two of his dreams were fulfilled:

Second, being selected by the International Association of Business as one of the Top 10 Leaders in the World surrounded by a Who’s Who list of leaders that I have learned from over the years.

Seriously now, has anyone outside of TEAM ever heard of this organization?

At first glance, I thought Orrin might have set up this blog to pump up his own credentials. After a little digging, I don’t think this is the case. If he was behind this site, you would no doubt see his blog on every Top 10 category:

  • Top 10 Finance Blogs – MonaVie good! Make Money with MonaVie!
  • Top 10 Tax Blogs – Government Bad! Keep your hands off of my money!
  • Top 10 Marketing Blogs – Listen to my ideas of consequence!
  • Top 10 Small Business Blogs – We’re small now, but we’re building to 1,000,000 people!

Once I saw the list of Top 10 Finance Blogs, however, it was clear that Orrin wasn’t behind the IAB1. Check out what five of these financial blogs have to say about MonaVie and/or MLMs:

#2 – The Simple Dollar

This site references Lazy Man’s MonaVie Scam post, one of the better resources on the web that proves the nutritional value of MonaVie is not worth its exorbitantly high cost:

MonaVie Scam? This is why I tend to avoid anything that has even a whiff of MLM associated with it. I’ve seen way too many of these scams floating around.

In addition, The Simple Dollar has several less-than-positive views of Robert Kiyosaki that one should compare against Orrin’s gushing thoughts on Mr. Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

#5 – Bargaineering

Number five on the list of Top 10 Finance blogs doesn’t have a very positive view of MonaVie either:

The second part that’s suspect is the fact that the stuff is $30-$40 a ~26 oz. bottle and proponents say you have to drink 2 oz. in the morning and 1 oz. in the evening. Simple math shows that each month you’ll have to spend $120-$170 on the juice, or $1,500-$2,000 a year. If you want the benefits of these types of juices, you can get it for much much less. Oh, and any distributor has to buy 4 bottles a month. Sure you can sell them, but what if you don’t? You’re always on the hook.

Multiply this for a family of four (more if they use multiple products), and you’re looking at an annual cost of $6,000-$8000 a year on juice. Repeat that again. $6,000-$8000 a year on juice.

#6 – Moolanomy

Another Top 10 Finance Blog that agrees with Lazy Man’s assessment. They reposted this tweet about MonaVie:

And hear from Twitter in response to this (via @mapgirlsfc): “@mrsmicah ‘Juice company?’ LOL. More like company that thinks they’ve bottled God’s pee & it’s a miracle!”

#9 – My Money Blog

This blog doesn’t have anything specific to say about MonaVie but has several articles covering other multi-level marketing companies like Orrin Woodward’s former BFF Amway. The writer lives in Michigan and has seen many a plan. He takes more of a neutral stance on MLMs, so as long as they don’t overcharge for the product and people are not spending too much time to make small change:

Pick a company that has products that are technologically better and/or at a fair price versus alternatives. Too often multi-level marketing companies offer products that are worse than alternatives or maybe the same as others, but way over-priced compared to them.

Repeat once more: Four a family of four, $6,000-$8000 a year. On. Juice.

Ok, so you’re probably not going to get rich doing this (though you could), but an extra $50 to $100 a week isn’t bad — a few thousand dollars over the course of a year. Of course there’s the time commitment to take into account. $100 a week for five hours of work is much better than $100 a week for 20 hours of work. 🙂

Amway and MonaVie Distributors: Every month, it is a good idea to calculate how much money you are making by the amount time you spend working your business. Ideally you should do this for all of your downline, or at least encourage them to do it too. The results may shock most of you.

#10 – Consumerism Commentary

The site recently posted an article titled, When Your Friends Become Social Sellers and Multi-Level Marketers:

In most cases, people join these multi-level marketing (MLM) programs not because they believe in the product but because there is a system designed to allow them to earn significant amounts of money if they play the game right. If you are an influencer in your social circle, you will be able to convince your friends to sell products and host their own parties increasing your income. “Party” is just a code word for “sales pitch.” You can’t achieve success as a multi-level marketer without burning some relationships.

That’s right, MLMs are a game. Apt comparison when you consider this tweet from the Supreme TEAM Leader yesterday:

America is sliding into socialism & the only area where true competition is left is in sports. http://tinyurl.com/yekgvxc

If MLMs are a game, there’s going to be some winners and some losers. In most competitive sports, there are far more “losers” than “winners.” Case in point, NFL. 32 teams vying for the Lombardi Trophy. At the end of the season, there’s going to be 31 disappointed teams and 1 victorious team. MLB, NHL and NBA? 29 sad teams and 1 happy team.

What about the TEAM? It’s got lots of members (though far short of 1,000,000), but how many of them will become financial winners in the MonaVie game?

Orrin often gets hot and heavy about associating with the right people. What does he think about being associated (through the IAB) with these blogs who think the MonaVie business is a bad deal at best or a scam at worst?

Has his dream suddenly become a nightmare? What strange bedfellows he has indeed!


1 I am curious to know who’s really behind this International Association of Business organization. Is it legit or just a linkroll spam outfit looking to make a quick buck off of Google ads?

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7 Comments leave one →
  1. March 10, 2010 10:44 pm

    Agreed. it’s almost like a made up award.

  2. Burned Out With MV permalink
    March 12, 2010 9:49 am

    Sounds like more self serving BS to me to sell to the downline. Only thing missing is a “buy my tools and rally tickets” pitch.

  3. March 12, 2010 12:28 pm

    My question is, why the hell can’t people see this? What is keeping them in?

    Stupid Stupid People.

    I think it would be very revealing to see what percentage of people actually clear a profit every month because of their involvement with orrin Woodward.

    He is the man in the plaid suit at the bowling alley that your friends warned you about.

    He’s so false. I’d like to fight him.

  4. March 12, 2010 3:25 pm

    Remember, many of us were once in their shoes. We didn’t want to believe the nagging thoughts in the back of our minds — the power of the tapes, CDs and functions were that strong. That’s why it’s important to continue asking distributors questions about their bottom line and challenge some of the things their upline leaders say.

  5. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    March 12, 2010 5:34 pm

    Amthrax, you know just as we were taught, to lie. We had to say things were going great or we were just being negative. I heard Orrin and Dallin have been awarded with great distinction by Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazine: A-Holes of the Month!!!

  6. March 14, 2010 12:55 am

    Somehow I doubt Larry Flynt would sink so low……

  7. March 15, 2010 12:18 pm

    I agree with Rocket; I doubt that Orrin nor Dallin are on Flynt’s radar. It would be mildly interesting if this was in fact the case, but I’d prefer to read from more mainstream publications.

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