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Turning Down the Volume

April 22, 2010

Not much happening of note in the Amway/MonaVie world these days. It’s the same old thing year after year. Katee Larsen still isn’t talking in MonaVie videos, distributors are waiting for another product (EMV Lite) to come in an turbcharge their business, and Systems like WWDB are holding their annual Spring Leaderships. These Major Functions are where distributors — still high from an Open a week ago — will be driving long distances to be pumped up and motivated for a weekend. Shouldn’t one be spending time actually building the business instead of “learning” or being motivated to build the business? Haven’t we seen this before?

In his blog post on route to the Spokane Spring Leadership, Shaun makes a cogent point:

So I gotta ask, what are you doing this weekend to move your life forward?

I won’t criticize his desire to make a better life for himself and for his family. My point all along with this web site has been to point out that maybe, just maybe, a business like Amway or MonaVie — as it is taught by the majority of Systems in North America — isn’t the most effective at creating a long-term, sustainable income. My beef has always been with the success rate of the vehicle (MLM business) and the transparency and honesty of the teachers (System).

Is anybody listening? Am I preaching to the critics choir? Shaun and other supporters aren’t going to listen to me, an anonymous critical voice on the Internet. He’ll listen to his upline and his upline’s upline, who will tell him to work harder, show more plans, and buy more tools.

Returning to his question, I ask myself if writing this web site is helping me move my life forward? In all honesty, not really. It’s primarily a hobby and entertainment for me; I smile when I read some of the things that supporters write; I was once in their shoes, but now I know the reality — that most of these supporters will never succeed to any substantial level in their chosen MLM. As with Shaun, that’s not an indictment on them; it’s just the reality of being in an MLM.

To answer Shaun’s question more fully, yes, there are things that I could be doing instead of reading the MLM blogs that are more productive to achieving my personal and professional goals. With that in mind, I’ve made the decision to stop out in order to devote more time to these projects. If things go well, I’ll be back in several months to report.

I’ll drop in from time to time, but it won’t be as frequent as in the past. So, until then… signing off!

21 Comments leave one →
  1. Candace permalink
    April 23, 2010 10:49 am

    You will be missed, but I hope that your days are very fulfilling and your time away rewarding.
    Until then… 🙂

  2. April 23, 2010 1:20 pm

    Glad you’ve decided to devote more time into something more constructive in your life.

    All the best.

  3. Joecool permalink
    April 23, 2010 11:23 pm

    Amthrax, if you are slowing down or retiring from blogging, I wish you all the best.

    Before you walk away, I have another quote that could apply to you. Ironically, it is a saying that IBO leaders said during my Amway tenure.

    “All it takes for evil to triumph is for enough good people to do nothing”

    While Amway is not evil, you can state that if there are no critical voices, then prospects, IBOs and information seekers will only see what upline wants them to see. For example, sites like those run by Amway propagandist IBOFB. Where you would think that some hard work and 2-5 years will practically guarantee success. We all know that 2-5 years of hard work is unlikely to do anything for your financial future with the Amway opportunity. You are more likely to end up hurting your financial future with the Amway tools system expenses.

    I too have been tempted to just quit, having said my piece. But I hang on and keep contributing because the unethical and crooked uplines can operate unchecked with no accountability if there are no dissenting voices. I believe my crooked former uplines in WWDB are still misleading good people into financial ruin.

    Good luck with whatever you decide my friend.

  4. April 24, 2010 8:10 am

    I’m not going away permanently. I just will redirect the X minutes a day, Y hours a week that I spend browsing critical and supporting MLM sites to something more constructive for the next several months. What I’ve written here is a testament to the experience that I and many others like yourself in North America have seen first-hand.

    As you have pointed out, what was true 10 years ago is still prevalent in the teachings of certain groups here. What’s changed? The people in the seats at functions, meetings, and house parties. What hasn’t changed? The people at the very top of these organizations — granted, some of them have left, but those in the power positions were for the most part the same people when we were in the business. These are the ones still doing the teaching, still motivating the troops. Despite accreditation, they really haven’t changed. They still want to sell you their tools.

    This web site will remain, and I’ll be back in several months. Though the time commitment is small, it is enough that removing it from my mind for the time being will help me concentrate on my other projects. I look forward to the day when I return to this debate; I’m sure you and other critics will keep the light on for me!

  5. April 24, 2010 6:15 pm

    Hey Amthrax,

    At least, please keep the GI JOE comics coming!!!

    Seriously, of all the “Anti-Amway Kingpins”, you have one of the most readable, objective and rational blogs around. (despite the occasional inaccuracy here and there!) I appreciate what you have contributed to the scene, and have thoroughly enjoyed your stuff. Anti-Amway kingpins are like Siamese twins of the business, they provide a refreshing “check-and-balance” perspective to the people in MLM. I am an avid MLM supporter as you know, and I remember stating somewhere that a highly civilised people is one in which they can look at their own failings and have a laugh about it.

    btw, just curious, what “projects” are you embarking on? Maybe it is something where we can all participate and make money with?

  6. April 24, 2010 10:22 pm

    Rykel – I was wondering where you had been. You’ve been quiet yourself on the blogging and commenting front.

    I compartmentalize my “interest” in MLMs from the rest of my life, so, I won’t be talking publicly here about my other projects. Suffice it to say, they are exciting, intellectually challenging and profitable.

  7. April 26, 2010 10:04 pm

    HEY! I’m new to these forums, and actually a successful Amway IBO.
    I’ve come across your bowing-out process and wanted to tip my hat to you for being solid enough to realize the season of your life has changed and you are actively pursuant of your next ‘whichever’ in life.
    Move forward and move strong; hopefully in the direction of taking a Grander aim of also helping OTHERS move their lives forward as well, since that’s what we all really should be doing, instead of only our own personal interests and agendas (i.e. “SELF”).

    The reason I wanted to post here tonight, was that I’m excited to visit with you when you’ll “be back in several months”. Instead of myself chosing to criticize those who are doing it wrong, I have the (perhaps naive, perhaps big-b-cajones) perspective that *I* instead will nail this business down PROPERLY, and yep with excitement, challenge, and superfluous profitability…..SO THAT when I have done so, and helped innumerable people do so as well, that we somehow may maintain a grow-ability without raking money from others improperly, but legitimately prove that a profitible/growing MLM can function with success (profiting from reasonable products and services flowing into consumer use), while simultaneously be one that is less criticized by the critics, and instead applauded by even you all as more of us meet guys like you, as well as flood the mainstream with a new breed.

    Additionally, I eagerly look forward to accurately confronting those (IF) needed that may run things with corruption and/or ‘evil’ motive.

    Looking forward to ‘meeting’ you down the road…it will be a fine day!

  8. Burned Out With MV permalink
    April 28, 2010 11:18 am

    Hey Amthrax,

    Best of luck in you future endovers, great site, thank you for providing the forum for everyone to vent about the MLM game.

  9. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    May 3, 2010 3:56 pm

    Good luck and Godspeed my friend. You have been a blessing to us all!

  10. Irv permalink
    May 10, 2010 3:18 pm

    Good luck in all your endeavors and come back to us soon my friend.

  11. May 20, 2010 2:29 pm


    Thanks for your note.

    It’s true, I stopped blogging and commenting for a while as I am now spending more time with my family and books. I am also about to embark on some serious TEAM activities in Asia, so it is probably like the quiet before the storm. LOTS of preparation took away my time to blog/comment.

    But I missed the exchange of notes and ideas with you all! (even sometimes it can get quite intense, hehee)

    So, what is the progress with your newfound interest? Would you please keep your GI JOE comics coming?

    btw, I am writing this from Orrin’s home in Florida! 9 acres of pure heaven. & Orrin’s family loves to read the Bible together every morning. 🙂


  12. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    May 21, 2010 3:08 pm

    Well Bully for Orrin and his brainwashed “Born-Again” family Rykel.

  13. May 27, 2010 11:04 am

    Major, you seem to be very bitter about Orrin and his family.

  14. Anonymous Aussie permalink
    June 21, 2010 2:15 am

    Amthrax – I’ve only just recently found your site and am a little disappointed that you’re taking time away.

    I look forward to hearing from you via the site from time to time!

    All the best.

  15. June 21, 2010 7:43 am

    Anonymous Aussie – I’m still around, though not spending as much time as I used to. I’ve read some of your posts on the Purple Horror web site; good stuff there, though it’s too bad that the MonaVie faithful won’t listen to actual reason and logic.

    Recently, I browsed through the Xowii vs. MonaVie lawsuit documents the other day; very fascinating information; confirms what I heard about Brig Hart’s disparaging comments against the Bangerts back in December of 2009. The leaders are losing money, people are back-stabbing each other, and MonaVie is opening in new markets to stem the losses.

  16. June 21, 2010 8:21 am

    Just posted a new entry regarding Kelly Bangert, Xowii, and MonaVie.

  17. Joshua Hibbel permalink
    June 21, 2010 10:38 am

    The list of people leaving Orrin Woodward and Team continues to grow. Apparently, a number of former team leaders have left to join another business (aisle nineteen or something like that). This raises the old question, if the team business is so great, pays so well and Orrin Woodward has great integrity and character, then why do people bail on the business and no longer associate with Orrin? Billy Florence, Randy Haugen, Ron Simmons, Team’s former legal counsel Mr. Thompson and CEO Bob Dickie, Chuck Goetchel, a whole list of former Team round table members and triple 100’s like Jeff Granger, John Morgan, Chris Smith finally woke up and realized that Orrin and his grand dream was nothing but a sham. Even Orrin’s own Pastor has apparently woken up and wants nothing to do with the guy as he is no longer speaking at Team major conventions or leading their Sunday services anymore. Sounds like Orrin is a great guy and person to be in business with. All you have to do is look at his friends and you can see that the closer they get the faster they run away.

  18. June 21, 2010 12:28 pm

    Joshua: Do you have a list of names for those who left TEAM to go to Aisle 19 and Escape?

  19. Joecool permalink
    June 22, 2010 11:42 am

    Good to see you are still here Amthrax!

  20. Anonymous Aussie permalink
    June 23, 2010 2:00 am

    The losses described by Kelly Bangert are of no surprise considering that none of the income claims in the IDS aren’t verified. Obviously these are also gross earnings in any event and no expenses deducted from the figures quoted.

    Whats interesting (but not surprising) to see is the same pattern of behaviour amongst these MLM companies – they’re rife with corruption, distortions and misrepresentations, the bullying tactics which include witholding commissions and smear campaigns and of course, the same extraordinary loss rates at almost every level.

    How anyone could consider this an ethical industry is beyond me.

    And remains truly astounding to me is that people have invested time and hard earned money into a venture such as Monavie whereby not only is the founder’s credibility in huge question after the fraudulent claims he made about the last juice he was promoting (claims which prompted the FDA to shut them down), but without having adopted any standard business practices whatsoever – no legal advice, no financial advice.

    You’re right, Anthrax – trying to reason with some of these people is next to impossible and obviously some of them are doomed to learn the hard way.


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