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Rumor: TEAM Becoming Less Product Focused?

January 13, 2011

Saw this brief comment on the JuiceScam web site:

# DeAnna Says:
January 13th, 2011 at 6:34 am

Speaking of Team.. I just talked to a friend that’s still apart of it. From what she says Team isn’t going to be focused on product like they used to.

It was just a quick conversation so I couldn’t get all the details. I’ll give updates when I have more information

Orrin’s latest post talks about turning mistakes into teachable moments. I wonder, does Orrin consider his time in Amway as being a decade-long teachable moment? If this rumor about TEAM becoming less product-focused is true, does that mean TEAM is preparing for a life outside of MonaVie? Would an eventual departure from MonaVie also be categorized as yet another teachable moment?

If a leader leads you astray not once, but twice, would you continue to follow him? How many chances does Orrin get to provide “teachable moments” before his status as a teacher and leader becomes null and void?

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72 Comments leave one →
  1. Joecool permalink
    January 13, 2011 11:13 am

    So what exactly is their business if they aren’t selling products?

  2. January 13, 2011 12:19 pm

    Ah! Here we go! The first ever LEADERSHIP MLM.

    Run, don’t walk, to your nearest TEAM member.

    Can’t wait to see the influx of Monavie Crap about to litter Ebay.

  3. January 13, 2011 12:33 pm

    Chris and Terri Brady were just added to the MonaVie Distributor Advisory Board today, so I have my doubts about this rumor. Still, this message had to come from somewhere, and within TEAM, it’s always top down, not bottom up.

  4. aurora permalink
    January 13, 2011 12:34 pm

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  5. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    January 13, 2011 3:44 pm

    HA HA HA Aurora!!! How long were you in that TEAM cult? Never got’r’dun.

  6. aurora permalink
    January 14, 2011 11:48 am

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  7. Anonymous Aussie permalink
    January 16, 2011 3:49 pm

    Joecool asks “So what exactly is their business if they aren’t selling products?”

    Exactly.

    But we know the answer to that – they’re in the business of selling distributorships.

  8. switch permalink
    January 17, 2011 9:38 am

    Ahhhh yes!…..it’s like the mysterious twilight-zone, transitional period they went through not too long ago in between Quixtar and Mona Vie!

    It all smells waaaaay to familiar.

  9. Izzy permalink
    January 17, 2011 1:33 pm

    I left TEAM in April 2010, and it is true that TEAM was focusing less on the product and more on the business opportunity. In fact, we weren’t allowed to give out samples in the team I was on. It’s nothing but a bloody cult. I could rant, but it’ll take me pages to do that! :-p

  10. switch permalink
    January 18, 2011 9:05 am

    We’d love to hear Izzy! We’re all ears!

    What’s going on about not giving samples to people?

  11. Izzy permalink
    January 18, 2011 10:24 am

    Switch, in TEAM, there were “mini-TEAMS” so to speak. The top leaders each have their own team, for example the one I was on, owned by Policy Council Member Claude Hamilton – Team Kaizen – focused as little as possible on the product, therefore, not to give out samples. Also, if there were samples given out, they were done so at the Tuesday Night Open meetings, going for $2.50 a shot. We were, however, allowed to give a can of EMV to sip on when showing the Plan. But our MAIN FOCUS was that bloody BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. That is why when the Plan is shown, we lure the prospect in first about asking them about their “dreams” are and preying on them about promises about wealth and ability to achieve them if they chose this business opportunity.

    Other Teams within the TEAM organisation, however, did allow distributors to host tasting parties and give samples or even bottles to a prospect.

  12. aurora permalink
    January 21, 2011 1:50 pm

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  13. Dororthy permalink
    January 28, 2011 7:54 pm

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  14. Matthew R. permalink
    January 29, 2011 7:59 am

    Dorothy – It sounds like you were part of Team/Monavie last year to see how they were implementing that ‘Stretch and Secure’ strategy at the bottom of the legs. I have not heard about that type of strategy before and it seems completely wrong, misleading (if/not illegal). I am surprised that Orrin Woodward is able to get away with this scam. The FTC really needs to step up and investigate Team/Monavie further. Too many people are being hurt.

    Could you elaborate more on this ‘Stretch and Secure’ program so that it is easier for a completely new guy or prospect to understand that may be on the fence thinking about joining Team. I think if this was discussed in more detail it would really help out a new “JOE’ who is researching this business on whether or not they want to join Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady’s Team MonaVie scam.

  15. January 29, 2011 2:15 pm

    @Dorothy – That was a fascinating comment that — if all goes as you suspect — gives us a great glimpse into the mindset of Orrin and TEAM.

    How will they judge the “success” of people in this new product and organizational structure? Simply by how many people have bought into the System and are attending seminars? Is there any retail product? Will they be making more “generic” motivational and leadership materials?

    At least with Amway and MV, there’s a product that’s sold (or at least bought and consumed personally). How can you quantify “success” ?

  16. webelieved permalink
    March 3, 2011 4:39 pm

    Selling the system once again. .. So Dorothy I was wondering if Dallin Larsen knows this tidbit of info, as it sounds like they may leave MV??? I also heard they are going to be Life coaching, that it will become the focus, which I find very comical!!? Give me a break….. can you comment on that????

  17. Insider permalink
    March 3, 2011 11:50 pm

    These are the “system” training packages

    TEAM Basic
    Package
    This training system package consists of 2 MonaVie CDs and 2 Team CDs every two weeks plus a Book of the Month* (BOM). CDs are $6 each.
    You may also optionally add any of the following:
    • 1, 2, 3 or 4 Standing Order Tickets (SOTs) @ $25 each
    • a monthly All Grace Outreach (AGO) package, which includes a CD @$6 and a book *
    • a DVD @ $10 each
    • A second copy of the Book of the Month
    • a Leadership Book of the Month
    * The Book of the Month and the AGO Book average $15 each but the actual prices vary from month to month.

    TEAM Power
    Player Package
    This training system package consists of 2 MonaVie CDs, 2 Team CDs and 2 Leadership CDs every two weeks plus a Book of the Month* (BOM). CDs are $6 each.
    You may also optionally add any of the following:
    • 1, 2, 3 or 4 Standing Order Tickets (SOTs) @ $25 each
    • a monthly All Grace Outreach (AGO) package, which includes a CD @$6 and a book *
    • a DVD @ $10 each
    • A second copy of the Book of the Month
    • a Leadership Book of the Month
    * The Book of the Month and the AGO Book average $15 each but the actual prices vary from month to month.

    TEAM Leadership
    Package
    This training system package consists of 2 MonaVie CDs, 2 Team CDs, 2 LLR CDs and 2 Leadership CDs every two weeks plus a Book of the Month* (BOM). CDs are $6 each.
    You may also optionally add any of the following:
    • 1, 2, 3 or 4 Standing Order Tickets (SOTs) @ $25 each
    • a monthly All Grace Outreach (AGO) package, which includes a CD @$6 and a book *
    • a DVD @ $10 each
    • a Leadership Book of the Month
    • A second copy of the Book of the Month
    * The Book of the Month and the AGO Book average $15 each but the actual prices vary from month to month.

  18. March 4, 2011 11:46 am

    Life

    L – living
    I- Intentionally
    F – for
    E- excellence

    At the last major pep rally there was a huge screen in the back that said LIFE. There is very little doubt that Orrin and his clan of deception are going to be moving on without the $40.00 miracle juice. As webelieved asked earlier this is a great question.

    “So Dorothy I was wondering if Dallin Larsen knows this tidbit of info, as it sounds like they may leave MV???”

    Also, don’t you think monavie put up some serious money to help orrin woodward, chris brady scam, tim marks, and jim martin scam with there settlement to quixtar? I know the amount of the settlement is not public knowledge but people were talking about marks, brady, and martin having to file bankruptcy but orrin wouldn’t have to. He is to important to the way the business looks. Wouldn’t it be just like Orrin to take money from Monavie to cover some of his costs from quixtar and then turn around less than a year later and leave them high and dry? It looks like Dallin may soon be on the list of “people screwed by Orrin Woodward”.

    Insider – Can they sustain income with everyone selling tools? What are they selling tools to accomplish? With the super juice people are at least able to pretend that it works. With Cd’s and books how are they going to sell that to the new guy?

  19. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 12:20 pm

    Settlement with Quixtar? why would anyone have to file for bankruptcy… if they leave it doesn’t cost anything… I’m pretty sure when my friends left quixstar they didn’t have to pay anything, at least nothing worth noting since i never heard a word about it. Where did you hear about some sort of Settlement? I’m not calling you a liar i just never heard about it nor understand why you think it would cost so much.

    You guys have been wondering about the “team going away from products sales” for a while, I’ll tell you the scoop since I’m the one that’s still in and listening in.

    They were talking about rather then selling and opening their plans with a bottle of juice, opening it back up with what they used to, a Business opportunity. Also, they were talking about instead of talking so much about the product from stage and having focus on the product, put most of all the focus on leadership principals and wisdom. After all, Team is in the business of Leadership Development, not necessarily just selling juice. TEAM Believes that Leaders are what Create the stronger groups, a Group of leaders helping others to become leaders will create the strongEST group. So thus they put the focus back on leadership rather than product. =)

    Also when we left amway, we used to think that we would, at one point in time, take on more and more financial opportunities through products as we got more and more people. saying things like “hey we have [insert large number] people willing to be loyal to your products and come back time and time again if you give us a good deal.” then go measure it up to the next group and see the best deal we can find possible. I Can’t say if the leaders are still thinking in the same direction but it might shine a little on the subject. Team would not leave Monavie. However it might take on more products from other places in the future… it’s just a possibility though, so don’t quote me on that.

  20. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 12:23 pm

    So in short, The “team focusing less on product” didn’t have anything to do with them leaving Monavie, just has to deal with how the prospect and what they talk about at meetings and so on. ^^

  21. March 4, 2011 12:39 pm

    Ryan, Amway settlement not quixtar. So many scams its hard keeping them all straight.

  22. March 4, 2011 2:15 pm

    You have to be kidding me right?

    As we all know monavie is not equal to eating 13 fruits. No wonder they are looking to become less product focused. The product sucks.

    http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-13-fruits/

  23. aurora permalink
    March 4, 2011 3:13 pm

    There is not a mlm scheme on the planet that is product focused. The ‘product’ is the recruiting lure. The money is made on the tool systems.

    Every meeting you go to hammers one thing: recruiting. big time

  24. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 4:35 pm

    LMAO That’s HILARIOUS! xD I love it hahaha

  25. March 4, 2011 4:39 pm

    Ryan – You don’t do the business anymore, right? Why did you quit?

  26. March 4, 2011 4:43 pm

    I agree with you aurora. However, I would say MOST MLM businesses (as in 99%) are not product focused. There are a few good respectable companies out there that do things right on all levels. I posted on this previously, but companies like Pampered Chef, Avon, Mary Kay and that romance novelty company seem to do things right by leading with the product, not sucking people into a tool scam or promoting an opportunity where they incentivize recruitment and product loading. Orrin Woodwards brain child TEAM and LIFE TRAINING are clear examples of MLMs that are illegal and immoral.

  27. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 4:45 pm

    Because i wasn’t put here on this planet to do team, I was put here for other reasons. Sure i could do TEAM but I’d rather spend my time engaging in my purpose. ^^ However Team helped lead me in the right direction to find that, so i must give them credit for that. But as the team leaders themselves say, not everyone’s going to get in, not everyone was meant to get in, because not everyone was built for the same purpose.

  28. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 4:55 pm

    Not illegal, lol. Not immoral either, just a different way than you like. I would rather them lead with a vision of helping people, in almost all areas of life.

    If something out there is only selling and leading with a product, then they’re in it for the money… obviously that’s what most businesses are for. There is nothing wrong with that. But many people on here claim that the leaders of TEAM are greedy, and yet their focus is not on product aka money.
    If you lead a company in order to change people, that’s something brave, something worth protecting, something more meaningful on this Earth… but if you lead a company only to sell products, you’re just moving money and things around. Sure the products are helpful but… I think having the audacity to try to help people via information and supply an opportunity that can supply a great deal of money is far more extraordinary and better than just selling a bottle of juice.

  29. March 4, 2011 5:09 pm

    I agree with you there Ryan. Maybe you also wanted to actually earn some cash and provide a living for yourself too though. Think that could have been an underlying tone to why you chose not to build Team?

    Put their system and leadership aside. We all know that alot of the principles they teach are good (but it doesn’t make their business good.)

    I can’t sell poisonous slurpees and then give someone a book on how to be a good leader like John Wooden and then say that “It’s all good.”

  30. March 4, 2011 5:12 pm

    Ryan – Do you know any of the leaders personally?

    Do you know about their true character and integrity?

    This blog only sheds a fraction of a percent of the IMMORAL, ILLEGAL activities that these leaders have engaged in.

    You my friend are sitting on the outside looking in and your view is blocked by what you see on stage. I am telling you that ORRIN is not anything like he is on stage.

  31. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 5:24 pm

    I know Chris Brady a little… from what i read and heard, Orrin is an awesome guy off stage as well. i’ve satten down with Chris a few times, including the time he took us out to dinner at Mongolian barbecue… I haven’t seen any immoral or illegal activities on this site, just opinions and assumptions. No ones perfect my friend, i’m sure CB and OW have done wrong before and even wronged some people… however that is not their intentions i can guarantee that… at least i can guarantee it on CBs part.

  32. March 4, 2011 5:37 pm

    Ryan – There are a number of leaders on this site that KNOW Orrin and Chris a lot longer than you (myself included) and we know for a fact that they have STOLEN others downline as people have reported, LIED and SLANDERED others that quit to our faces. What you see is what you see on stage or at a house plan. They do not talk dirty and show their true colors when they are trying to get you to stay loyal to their cause and drink the juice. But behind closed doors, I can promise they have ZERO integrity.

    Integrity is doing what is right even when others aren’t watching. I have seen them back stage at majors, in Orrin’s conference room with RT and Triple 100s. This guy is a different animal behind the scenes, period!

    Ask yourself why so many leaders have chosen to walk away from him and his business. If the money is that good and the relationships and the vision of changing the world is so pure…..why would anyone quit? He has a DRASTIC drop out rate when it comes to Profit Sharers, RT, TRIPLE 100, and PC plugin members like Randy Haugen and Billy Florence. Even the guys own Pastor and mentor over the past decade is not associating any more. I think anyone that is too blind to see this needs to do their homework and research and start asking questions and seeking out info from these past leaders who chose to leave Orrin and Team. Connect with Randy Haugen on Facebook or LinkedIN, call Pastor Dickie in Michigan. The answers are out there my friend.

  33. webelieved permalink
    March 4, 2011 6:39 pm

    Ryan you must be stupid, you haven’t seen anything on here? Apparently he cannot read. Stealing, false advertising don’t count as wrong!!!!

  34. webelieved permalink
    March 4, 2011 6:41 pm

    great post! Pretty much says it all…..

  35. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:02 pm

    RYAN IS A LIAR! HE SAYS: “I’ll tell you the scoop since I’m the one that’s still in and listening in.”

  36. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:04 pm

    Aren’t YOU slandering names now? you’re true colors aren’t so beautiful, i wouldn’t be talking about others if i was you. And someones True colors are what they are in a collective, not just behind closed doors… but yes that included. Zero integrity i can not believe, a few mess ups here and there, sure.

    Now lets say that a whole bunch of RT members started to get to know Orrin. Lets SAY Orrin was actually a bad guy. I’m making a bunch of money at that point, and the biz worked for me so it must be capable of working for everyone even if Orrin is a bad guy. Well if i don’t like how Orrin is, i could either get myself up into the ranks of PC and do something. Or i could let him stay where he is and just not go around him.

    Why would people quit if there was a bad apple at the top when they know they could change it and still tons of people are still benefiting from it… it just must not have to do with Orrin then.

  37. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:05 pm

    Yep still in brother =) Not active in building teams ^^ but yep still in =)

  38. Dorothy permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:07 pm

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  39. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:08 pm

    STILL A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:19 pm

    lol nope, read my posts, i proved you wrong, brutha.

  41. March 4, 2011 7:20 pm

    Dorothy, I like this part of the letter.

    “As I studied the information and trends, I realized it was not the negative lies on the internet that were killing us, but the negative truths on the internet that were killing us.”

    Negative truth? Awesome!

  42. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:24 pm

    Ryan you never proved anything other than you twist, lie and manipulate!

  43. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:27 pm

    yeah i did, read it =) It shows that everything i said still stands true, you just understood it incorrectly is all ^^ But remember i also said that a key indicator of distrust is unbelief after explanation… you called me out on trust so… go read it or be a hypocrite. Lol and i better not post here again because i think Amthrax will monitor my posts if i post off topic on this place battling with you too many times.

  44. webelieved permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:35 pm

    why argue with a fool. IGNORE< IGNORE. WE HAVE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT STUFF TO TALK ABOUT!!!

  45. webelieved permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:37 pm

    Wow looks about the same as years ago… not much has changed here. I love that it is spelled out so the new guy can see at once how much he is being asked to invest.

  46. webelieved permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:46 pm

    Ryan

  47. March 4, 2011 7:47 pm

    YES Webelieved!!! Stick to what is important and its not him.

  48. webelieved permalink
    March 4, 2011 7:54 pm

    team deception what do you know.

  49. March 4, 2011 8:03 pm

    I know that I am ready for us to unite and to find a way to put an end to this scam.

  50. Dorothy permalink
    March 4, 2011 8:06 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  51. webelieved permalink
    March 4, 2011 8:10 pm

    I am ready too. how should we get together?

  52. Dorothy permalink
    March 4, 2011 8:14 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  53. March 4, 2011 8:17 pm

    I’d say contact Amthrax about that, webelieved. That’s what I did. I’d be careful about posting contact info on the Internet.

  54. March 4, 2011 8:19 pm

    Thats a great question. I would like to get your email or allow amthrax to give you mine (go ahead Amthrax I am ok with it). Either way. I think thats a good start.

    I feel like this scam is moving closer to the edge of destruction. We can help push it over the top.

    What is that the mighty orrin says? Somthing like “set your goals and go for it!!” Lets do that.

  55. March 4, 2011 8:41 pm

    Orrin calls the shots period. Round Table was created to give the littler leaders a warm fuzzy.

  56. humiliated permalink
    March 4, 2011 8:48 pm

    You guys should read this comment on Juice Scam’s site. These sites and our comments are not falling on deaf ears! We are actually helping people avoid these cults/scams! Bravo people!

    http://www.juicescam.com/my-experience-with-monavie-and-team/comment-page-5/#comment-42151

  57. Dorothy permalink
    March 4, 2011 8:50 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  58. Dorothy permalink
    March 4, 2011 9:11 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  59. aurora permalink
    March 5, 2011 4:39 am

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  60. March 5, 2011 9:48 am

    Aurora, no problem and there is no reason at all to say that your a coward. Just getting on here and venting or telling your story to help others is a sign a strength. Keep posting and who knows who it will help. Your story’s along with the many others on here are helping in immeasurable ways.

  61. March 5, 2011 9:59 am

    I read that last night. How great was that ?!?!?!? Look at how this sight along with and the others are helping people.

    – New people searching the web for info on Monavie/Team/Orrin Woodward scam/Chris Brady/ or I want to go broke with Team.

    – People have an open venue to post stories to vent and or help others that have been scammed.

    – The big Leaders or as we call the big “scammers” like Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady know about the intensity of this sight as of late and have to be bothered by it. I would bet Orrin has a group of people that their only job is search the web about him. Looser.

    – Gives us unlimited joy when a teambot comes on here and we get to show him/her facts that are indisputable.

    – One of my favorites is when Vogel gets a peice of someone…. After Voge is done with them I know they are heartbroken and they never seem to come back.

  62. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 5, 2011 11:15 am

    Humiliated & Team Deception
    AMEN!
    Yes Vogel, what a life-saver!
    Their PC meeting must have been lets send the “pawns” or the ones pretending to be and shower them with the “real truth!”
    Our manipulated story, so we can show ALL these people “they are wrong!”
    “Well you can fool some of the people some of the time, but can’t fool ALL of the them all the time.” More words for them to chew on!

  63. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 5, 2011 11:23 am

    Aurora
    I hear you so loud and clear,and understand too, they have taken everything from us (well almost) but it is sheer hell living through this and it is so fresh, I am not sure if I could take it right now.

  64. Dorothy permalink
    March 5, 2011 2:32 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  65. March 5, 2011 3:49 pm

    Don’t worry, Larsen knows. He’s a shady fella, anway, having ran another miracle juice business before MV. that the FTC shut down.

  66. March 5, 2011 3:59 pm

    I’ve-given up on Ryan. No longer responding to that bugger. Let him learn the hard way… when MV/TEAM crashes.

  67. March 5, 2011 4:27 pm

    I’m glad people have to sense enough to research before jumping in. I only wish that I went ahead & did my own research against my uplink : express orders.

  68. webelieved permalink
    March 6, 2011 4:45 am

    I have a lot of books, cds, videos anyone want to buy them? I will sell them half off!!! LOL Just kidding!!! I wouldn’t let my dog listen to those cd’s as I would not want to indoctrinate him. LOL So wondering how much a month everyone here spent on the above system?????Let’s enlighten everyone what they can expect to spend MONTHLY….

  69. webelieved permalink
    March 7, 2011 6:29 pm

    Here is a free copy of Merchants of Deception, Happy Reading!

    http://www.transgallaxys.com/~emerald/DOWNLOADBOOK.html Download Merchants of Deception Book free

  70. Jackson permalink
    March 24, 2011 11:42 am

    Are there any new updates on what is going on with TEAM?

  71. Larry permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:00 pm

    I love that some people are left with a bad taste but I like to see the different crap people say. I do have to say that if you did get with a bad local leader and that held you back sorry to hear that. For what I have Experienced i am still married now and have a closer relationship with my kids the only people that don’t make it either could have gotten started with a poor leader or QUIT! well I hope that you get with a faster team.

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