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Dean Kosage = The Cult, Happy Girl and Susan Miller??? You decide!

January 15, 2011

Update 2010-01-17: I’m corresponding with someone who purports to be Dean via email. He’s asked that I remove references to his female friend whose name shall not be spoken, and I’ve agreed to it for now. I’ve also added a poll for readers to decide who’s The Cult and Happy Girl.

Within the comments section on my blog post about Dean Kosage’s departure from WWDB, there’s “three” commenters with the following handles:

There’s several similarities in each of these comments from these handles:

First, their comments are very complimentary towards Dean Kosage and extremely negative towards WWDB and its leaders.

Second, they have attacked anyone who has had a personal, negative experience about Dean.

Third, the comments from The Cult and Happy Girl are coming in sequential order. One comment is written and posted, and a few minutes later the “response” comes in from the other person. Fourth, many of these comments are coming in at the wee hours of the night; what are the chances that Happy Girl and The Cult just happen to be reading this little blog at the exact same time at 2:00 am in the morning?

Hmm… doesn’t take much thinking to see where I’m coming from. I’m not the only one thinking that something fishy is going on. Several commenters have noted the similarities between Happy Girl and The Cult’s ramblings. Being the site owner, however, I have one more trick up my sleeve.

Lastly and most important, every single comment coming from The Cult, Happy Girl and Susan Miller have come from the same static IP address in Encinitas, California.

Let’s bring out some other information to the table:

Dean’s Facebook page says that he lives in Encinitas, California. This comment made by a former web designer of Dean’s says that he also lives in Encinitas, California.

I later came to find out through people like Bryan Gallingher and other people from his Team that Dean sold the loft and is now living in a downgraded beach house in Encinitas California with another user of the people a miss N. B.

The Cult and Happy Girl: Don’t take me for a fool. I know what kind of game you’re playing, and it’s not very impressive.

Time to make some assumptions. Could Dean Kosage and she whose name shall not be spoken be behind the handles The Cult and Happy Girl? Or, might Dean going schizophrenic on us and posting all of this himself1?

On Dean’s Twitter page, he notes on January 13, 2011:

Hi everyone 🙂 I am about to run a entire new web campaign and get all of my websites back up and running. Last… http://fb.me/C29uRbxQ

Is this what you mean by a new web campaign? Commenting on critic’s sites about yourself in a positive manner using multiple aliases? I don’t think that’s the most effective way to clear the air about your past!

And, If she whose name shall not be spoken is Happy Girl, what’s she doing at 2:00 am in the morning commenting from the same location at The Cult? Does her “husband” know about that?

When I started this blog, I aimed to talk primarily from my personal experiences building an MLM business. My main point of contention has been with the teaching and training Systems, namely those leaders who constantly misrepresent things from stage and on tapes. People might say that things have changed with Amway over the past decade since I’ve left the business. Perhaps that’s true, but Dean Kosage dates back to my time in the business, and it’s clear to me that he hasn’t changed at all. One bad apple can spoil the bunch, and Dean Kosage is certainly rotten to the core in my mind.

I know some of my readers have already reached a similar conclusion, but what do others think? Are The Cult and Happy Girl the one and the same? Avatars of Dean Kosage and she whose name shall not be spoken? A follower of Dean? Post your thoughts in the poll and comments section below!


1 I’ve considered the remote possibility that Happy Girl and The Cult might be some uber-devoted follower of Dean. If this is the case, Dean should put in an executive order to shut this person up once and for all, cause it’s doing him far more harm than good.

118 Comments
  1. aurora permalink
    January 15, 2011 12:33 pm

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  2. aurora permalink
    January 15, 2011 12:46 pm

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  3. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2011 1:08 pm

    Let’s just look at the last eight posts that came through on the blog about Dean and the blog about Greg Duncan. There is a lot more “proof” than just these 8 posts on Jan 14th, but this is just the beginning as I can go further back and note the similarities.

    But the best is that they are coming from the SAME IP ADDRESS!! WHAHAHAHA

    1:41pm – Cult posts on Dean blog
    2:01pm – Cult posts on Dean blog
    2:20pm – Happy Girl posts on Dean blog
    2:34pm – Happy Girl posts on Greg Duncan blog
    2:37pm – Happy Girl posts on Greg Duncan blog
    3:01, 3:09, 3:25pm – Cult posts on Dean blog

    I can go back and point out more similarities on how both handles comment on that there’s just 3 bloggers.

    And as Amthrax pointed out, the succession of their posts together on the same blog, but also on other blogs. And both of these handles are just so happened to be in the same location and posting at the same time way early in the morning?

    I guess they really did find someone else to agree with them… THEMSELVES!!! Way to go Cult, Happy Girl and Susan Miller!! You’ve done wonders for your cause!!

  4. January 15, 2011 4:39 pm

    Web Rep Defense – FAIL!

    Geez. That is sad.

  5. January 15, 2011 5:34 pm

    This is the Internet after all…. Again no one should ever take anything that someone post in the net too seriously. Unfortunately some people do. Way too many lies. Everyone could be lying. I mean everyone. But it’s good to have discussions. There is always something you can learn. It’s like watching a Jerry springer show.

  6. January 15, 2011 10:10 pm

    Well put Mozart.

    Except in this case, the internet has a great deal of reliable information regarding Deano Kosage.

    Including the fact that numerous posts have been made by the same ISP under different ID’s defending him.

    I know what I as well as any other rational thinking human being would conclude from that. But i am curious. What do YOU think about all this?

  7. aurora permalink
    January 16, 2011 7:40 am

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  8. January 16, 2011 8:55 am

    @aurora – Happy Girl can talk all s/he wants; the only undeniable fact is that s/he’s commenting from the exact same IP address as The Cult at the same time, which means they are either (1) using the same computer or (2) are in the same house. We can go further than that and have an educated guess that it even might be the same person writing all of the comments.

    Here’s another example for you; in the comments on the Dean Leaves WWDB post, Happy Girl mentions that she received an email from The Cult:

    Well aurora, I was just emailed by the cult about your comments.
    I expressed how I saw the wwdb older people treat those of us who where in our younger years.

    How in the world would The Cult know her email address when it’s not even published on this site? Did The Cult happen to spam every woman he knows in Dean’s organization to find the lone one that just happened to be posting on this little blog? Yeah, that seems very plausible.

    Let The Cult and Happy Girl come to their own defense by leaving a reply on this blog. We’re waiting!

  9. aurora permalink
    January 16, 2011 12:17 pm

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  10. January 16, 2011 3:14 pm

    So how did the old farts in WWDB treat the young up & comers?

  11. aurora permalink
    January 16, 2011 3:36 pm

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    January 16, 2011 3:37 pm

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  13. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2011 4:57 pm

    *crickets chirping

    Over 2 days and nothing from The Cult or Happy Girl… BUSTED!!

    I have a feeling we won’t hear from them anytime soon… in so far as they won’t post with the same names and will most likely change locations now that they know how they were busted.

    So it’s probable that The Cult was getting fed most of his information from Dean. And it was Dean who gave The Cult all the negative and derogatory assessments of who Tom & I were. Ya, Dean sure has changed over all these years… pppsshhh (note large amount of sarcasm).

  14. January 16, 2011 6:21 pm

    I have another post which goes into business attire in the business.

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/the-four-personalities-and-business-attire/

  15. January 16, 2011 6:56 pm

    Whether the trio was Dean or a Dean worshipper, it just made him look bad.

    I will ask again. Where’s the fruit that came off Dean’s tree?

  16. January 16, 2011 8:39 pm

    I posted a topic on my blog awhile ago about demographic groups that Ambot was supposed to target which drew a few comments. A few days ago someone named Happy (could this be Happy Girl?) showed up in the early morning hours agreeing about fake marriage advice and asking if I knew who Paul Tsika is. I’ve never heard of him but apparently he gave Happy’s husband bad marriage advice. Then 3 minutes later Anonymous posted saying her friend just called her to tell her about my blog and also asked about Paul Tsika and how they’re going to blog about him. So I figure this is a little weird and wondered what part of the world they’re in where people are making phone calls while everyone else is sleeping and checked my stats. They were both the same IP address, surprise surprise from Encinitas California. So I posted back a nice response inviting her to drop by with a link to her blog once it was up and running.

  17. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2011 9:07 pm

    What I don’t understand is the insatious need for The Cult and Happy to bring up this Paul Tsika guy on multiple blog sites. So he gave you bad marriage advice… who cares… it happens all the time and in no way has anything to do about the subject of the blog they are in.

  18. Knowledge permalink
    January 17, 2011 7:29 am

    It’s a classic example of trying to create a smoke screen. From all the blogs I’ve read on “Dean Kosage Leaves WWDB”, this Cult character started off his “defense” by attempting to steer the bloggers away from Dean and to focus on Paul Tsika. He then proceeds to insult the other bloggers that are sharing their stories about Dean. Then, in a classic split-personality move, this Cult character has the audacity to circle back around in follow up post and suggests the bloggers should partner with Dean Kosage as an ally against WWDB and Paul Tsika. Look back at the posts on 12/28/2010. This Cult is full of rage and hatred, it is apparent! That was the side of Dean Kosage I had experience as well. Not a far stretch to think these 3 handles were actually Dean writing.

    Also, Cult has talked about his investigations into Dean’s abuse of his wife, mentioning a 911 call and other court documents he has “investigated”. Cult has been asked repeatedly to post that information to clear up that night in question, but has never posted his alleged proof, leading the readers to believe his investigation went so far as sitting at Dean’s feet listening to “what actually happened”.

    It looks like the winds of truth have blown in to clear the attempted smoke screen. Interesting spin campaign put on by Dean/his followers. Whoever is sitting at that IP address should have mapped out their strategy a little better.

  19. the cult permalink
    January 17, 2011 12:37 pm

    How simple could this be , gee a few folks decided to blog about dean and to team up against the same 4 to 5 of you who constantly blog about Dean as a team. We know we have the truth about many of the subjects you guys are just talking about. So we are in Encinitas SO WHAT? wow you really busted us with that one LOL.

    Seems to me that would make sense as to the fact Dean leaves here so of course some of his close friends do now. And 100% yes we are blogging about Paul tsika and how we feel Dean is Awesome.

    I noticed you all failed to mention the other positive post by the folks who do not live in the area or as you will say close to Dean. Gee did you forget about them. Hey I was starting to be nice but if you want war then no worries we can find your IP address’s just fine.
    Lets see how many of us in our condo’s share this all the time ( wow BIG deal ).
    You think that proves anything other then a few of us have all moved next to each other and now are fed up with your post. We have nothing to hide.

    Oh guess what now there are 4 of us at a coffee shop In Encinitas posting at the same time on your blogs. Would you like to come down and visit us? But once again that is just a few of us in this area but of of course you have blown off all the other post.

    I can also show to the normal people on these site you are just cyber bullies posting hate emails on tons of people and anyone who was in Amway.

    However you have now brought a girl into this named removed upon request. I thought amthrax you where a none biased person. Now you are attacking a girl you have never met or talked with and even posted her picture on the web , all for your personal gain. You posted her picture and accused her of something. WOW you really are a stand up dude.

  20. happy girl permalink
    January 17, 2011 12:49 pm

    Cute little wave you are trying to create here to drive up your web rankings.
    Dean you rock , and don’t you worry a team of us are forming to offset these same 4 blogggers who are using you as bait to gain attention online.

    At first I just posted to help out and to also get myown story out about Paul tsika, but now I see these bloggers seem to think they are the only ones who can organize and collaobrate. Now they have attacked me, and all your positive supporters in the area you live.
    If you really think you have track us with a IP address then why do you not come stop by for a visit. You can tell me and my husband that you think I am in Deans house.

    If we gather to collaobrate like today then somehow it must be wrong or the fact that 2 of us happen to live in the same area is somehow wrong.

    Remember To only listen to those types of people you would normally want to be freinds with is my advice to others on this post. Listen to the inflamed tones. I would encourage you all to get to the postive post on Deans website to gain perspective. You can compare there who you want to listen to.

  21. happy girl permalink
    January 17, 2011 1:01 pm

    Amtrax you qouted you talked with Bryan Gallenger , lets see if that is true he has borrowed money from me and currently owes quite a few people in San Diego.
    How did you reach out to Bryan G. Many of us would like to know?

    Last I heard his last amount of debt was over $100,00o from scamming people in small amounts of 2k to 40k.

    Also you make a statement he told you dean sold his loft , funny that is not true I just spoke with his renter last month about buying tickets to a local game. Are you often this wrong with your statements? Plus this is easy to look up so why do you make such claims?

    I also am curious now as to why many of the people who you seem interview for facts are criminals with current records or investigations on them.

    1 bryan g , a known con artist who fled san diego.
    2 Joe throup sex crimes
    3 care to explain why you would be in contact with these people?

  22. January 17, 2011 1:02 pm

    @ The Cult and Happy Girl – As my footnote on this post suggests, have you considered the possibility that your comments are doing Dean more harm than good?

  23. the cult permalink
    January 17, 2011 1:20 pm

    Well today I informed Dean about all of this and how you guys are now trying to be spin doctors again.
    He did not care about the personal attacks on him, he feels you guys will never stop that no matter what he does.

    We also let him know that you guys are trying to pin us to his Ip address vs a IP address in the area. He did not care about it but has asked us not post when we are hanging out at his place. So today we all meet at a coffee shop near by.

    He appreciated our efforts to put some truth out there, but felt we are wasting out time.

    I did show him the fact that the host of this blog has now posted a picture of his girlfriend and accused her of things.

    He also gave me this Email from JOE , who claims to have not posted on your site, but someone else did it on his computer. It seems to me Amthrax I have successfully discredited everyone of your sources. DO NOT TAKE ME FOR A FOOL.

    On 28/12/2010, at 10:17 AM, Rhino Xeros wrote:

    Someone used my email to write that i’m assuming Davin or his good friend Rob. Whats really funny is how it sounds like a little kid ranting about something. As for the ordeal with Rob that guy was a loser he tried to get me to do extacy the day before i went to court even put the shit in my water and as far as it goes with the way i kept the place feel free to ask maggie what the place looked like while i was there and then what happened to it when you let the rob guy show up i and was never even at the loft only went there to sleep. Look dude not sure what’s ur deal or whatever but whatever i have enough issues in my life to deal with and i could really give 2 shits about Amway Dean Kosage diamonds seattle lamborghinis blah blah blah have fun in life and P.S. as far as we both know the truth i never touched ur fucking surfboards or your weed when you came back from some trip or whatever else mysteriously disappeared like i said if i wanted to take something i would of and no one would of known it was missing. I slept at ur loft thats about it i never invited anyone over never acted like i belonged there nor did i ever touch something that was not mine. P.S.S there were only 3 people i can remember that knew about Kaeli coming over at night Me, Davin and Esteban so there goes ur suspects i can assure you it was not me but why believe some crazy homeless guy when u have such great friends around you to tell you the TRUTH oh yeah i am representing myself in court do not need character references Happy Holidays to you 2

    Notice Joe himself talks about going to court? let see you guys spin this one.

  24. January 17, 2011 2:11 pm

    @The Cult and Happy Girl – So which coffee shop are you at right now in Encinitas?

    1. E Street Cafe
    2. Surfdog’s Java Hut
    3. It’s A Grind Coffee House
    4. Starbucks
  25. aurora permalink
    January 17, 2011 3:07 pm

    Well, today Cult informed dino about all this. Shit fire! We’re in the dog house now.

  26. Joecool permalink
    January 17, 2011 4:01 pm

    Their bogus PR campaign for Dean is making him look like a fool.

    Since Anna Banana posted on this thread, Amthrax can confirm that I do not author the married to an Ambot blog.

  27. January 17, 2011 4:07 pm

    You’re not the same person as Anna Banana, as far as I can tell. Two completely different locations.

  28. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2011 4:32 pm

    I don’t see anywhere where we say it’s Dean’s IP address… everything I’ve read is speculating that it could be Dean himself.

    But the facts are the facts, all your posts are coming from Encinitas and I find it hard to believe that Dean is just finding out about all of this now. How else would you have found out that I was Tom’s brother and then gotten personal info about me… yep, that be Dean.

    Nice try to deflect… again.

  29. January 17, 2011 5:35 pm

    I’ve been corresponding with someone who claims to be Dean. He asked that I remove references to his female friend, and I have complied with his request.

  30. Biz Builder permalink
    January 17, 2011 7:16 pm

    I’m not much of a blogger, but we’re going to make an attempt. My story is that I’ve been in the biz a couple years, have a small team of folks, make an extra 5k-10K a year and spend about 10 hours a month….(ouch) or so on it. Amway’s been a great side income for me, and honestly it’s been refreshing to move with Dean to Freestyle and a new training system. I feel like I can be myself and not be pressured to have to go to a certain number of meetings etc in order to belong. It’s been a very welcome change for me, and I give thanks to Dean for spearheading it.

    I know some folks in wwdb obviously and it’s funny how they all ask me constantly how he is doing. He was a great draw for them and is certainly missed by all the folks out here who could plug into his stuff in the past. I’ve added more people to my biz in the last 2 months than the prior two years, just because what Dean has created now is so easy to promote, and there’s so many ways we can help people.

    As my friend stated, we’re here at a starbucks just hanging out and hope to be more active on some of these blogs so people who come to them can see both sides of the story. Overall in my experience Amway is a great company and Dean is a great coach. It seems like some of the negative people have was either 1) in the past—and Amway’s changed a ton. They just sponsored Miss America (Artistry) and their commercials for Nutrilite and Power of Positive are all over the place now. Totally rebranded and I think they took notes from some of the things that people haven’t liked.

    I was with our Amway rep from the corp over the summer at one function too and she really praised Dean for breaking the mold and helping bring their biz to the 21st century!

    Awesome stuff, and we’re excited! Just like their commercials say “The Power of Positive”. Trying to spread some of that.

    Hopefully that helps someone (or some people) out there. Bye for now.

    Biz Builder (JRG)

  31. Amdroid permalink
    January 17, 2011 7:21 pm

    Amthrax – the fact is, Dean has already posted that video of him and Novelena on the beach on YouTube as well as has her name on the title of that video.

    The fact that you are referencing that video or even using her name is not a crime, it’s just Dean being dramatic, but I can understand you complying to that request.

    I just find it as being, hmm, how did The Cult put it — oh yeah — being a “Cyber Bully”.

    My vote is that Happy Girl is Novelena.

  32. Aicer permalink
    January 17, 2011 8:35 pm

    Hey Everybody –
    Just wanted to say that I’m working with Dean in Freestyle and have had good, positive experiences. The events and people are a lot of fun.
    -Aicer

  33. Amdroid permalink
    January 17, 2011 9:23 pm

    Funny to see all these other handles coming out of the woodwork at such an opportune time to support Dean. What a coincidence. Dean’s WMDs.

    I think Amthrax’s assumption was right on…

    The Cult = Dean Kosage
    Happy Girl = she whose name shall not be spoken

    It’s pretty obvious. Now Dean is giving the illusion through The Cult that they’ve been called off by Dean. And why’s that? Bc the gig is up. RETREAT!!

    Talk all you want about his ex being arrested vs him, as that has nothing to do with our experiences with the guy.

    Amthrax, can you start at poll asking who, if anyone, we think the 3 handles are? I think that would be fair game and Dean couldn’t really run his scare tactic technique on a poll, right?

  34. January 17, 2011 9:31 pm

    I agree with Aicer..Freestyle seems laid back and not pushy like I’ve seen with WWDB (personal experience). Dean has always treated me with respect and helped me overcome a lot of crap in my life, both with amway and in life. He’s helped me get a lot of my sh!t together.
    I don’t know about paul tsitka…Never met him.

    Yeah, Aicer is a buddy of mine, so you’ll see we’re on the same IP address too…Just thought I’d put that out there.

  35. January 17, 2011 10:30 pm

    I added a poll at the bottom of the post. Let’s get some scientific data here!

  36. happy girl permalink
    January 17, 2011 11:51 pm

    My name is Holly , it appears someone has read Harry Potter , how adorable.
    I noticed the choice’s you get to choose from for the poll.

    I think you all just proved our point with that poll. Thank you for posting that..

    They where only negative choices. There was no room for positive people to post, in fact if we have inspiring things to say about Dean apparently we are now thrown into the fanatic category.

    I would say that explains and sums up your blog perfectly 🙂

    I also love how when haters come out to post it is normal but if the positive people spring up to say something we are now called WMD. What a big word for so small people. Well I am off to bed goodnight everyone.

  37. January 17, 2011 11:55 pm

    Definition of fanatic:

    Marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

  38. Angel permalink
    January 18, 2011 12:22 am

    @Amdroid – I am not in Dean’s group and have no association with him. You seem to imply new people here are with Dean and wanted to make that clear. I really was checking out his Freestyle group at a former upline’s suggestion and did a google search and wound up here (among other places). I guess I got here at a good time. Lot of action.

    It’s pretty damn funny actually and it looks like things still operate in the same deceitful fashion they always have with Amway. This rather ingenious PR move by Dean’s team is now out there for all to see. Ha ha. I guess some things never change. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  39. aurora permalink
    January 18, 2011 6:25 am

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    January 18, 2011 6:28 am

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  41. Amdroid permalink
    January 18, 2011 9:07 am

    Hi “Holly”. Well, the entire point of this blog was about who The Cult, Happy Girl and Susan Miller were. I guess it stands to reason that “Dean is awesome!” wouldn’t be a choice.

    Accept it or not, you and The Cult are Dean fanatics, but the poll is to determine if you fanatics are one in the same, different Deanomaniacs or Dean himself!!

    If you don’t like the leadership of this blog then leave, start your own positive campaign, which any normal logical person would think y’all would do down there in So. Cal. But then again, maybe I’m giving y’all too much credit in my assumptions of what normalcy and logic really is in your world.

  42. Joecool permalink
    January 18, 2011 9:26 am

    And again, I will ask where the fruit off Dean’s tree is? Other than some people who think he’s some rock star of sorts, I haven’t seen evidence that Dean’s teachings and/or followers made a significant difference in anyone’s lives.

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    January 18, 2011 1:02 pm

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  44. Amdroid permalink
    January 18, 2011 2:14 pm

    Someone give us the odds of them again dodging Joecool’s request for the fruit of Dean’s tree. I believe it’s a fair question.

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    January 18, 2011 2:49 pm

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  47. Amdroid permalink
    January 18, 2011 3:21 pm

    Well yeah, all they have to say is “confirmed” and it is the TRUTH!!

    Confirmed, thou shalt not worship false idols. I’m pretty sure Dean falls into that category too, right?

  48. Amdroid permalink
    January 19, 2011 6:18 am

    Let’s just say this re: the fruit of Dean’s tree. If he’s like almost every other American, he’s living outside his means. He’s giving the impression that he’s way better off than he actually is. Like inWW when he was driving a Mercedes and Suburban they couldn’t really afford but it was to give the impression they were doing great and finances weren’t an issue.

    SIDENOTE: Weren’t we all taught that (or maybe it was just Dean’s teachings)? That we had to give the impression that we were making it even though we weren’t. If someone asked you what you were making or at what level you were, we were to inflate it all to give a false impression… a LIE if you will.

    Anyways, I see on his FB page he’s getting out of a Porsche Carrera, but who’s to say whether that’s his or not. If it is, good for him.

  49. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 20, 2011 5:04 pm

    lol seriously? Those are the only options you’re giving us? Was this site built to inspire negative rage? I don’t think anyone reaps any future benefits out of this site, mm possibly a little self satisfaction and meaningless pleasures out of posting their opinions as if they matter to the opposers reading it.

    The truth is nothing gets accomplished here. I salute you all who try to correct the negatives and falsehoods on this site posted by the confused and upset. But all in all are we not really just fueling the fire? are we not just making them even more enraged and thus furthering their destructive delusions they’ve allowed to be cast in their minds?

    Happy Girl, Cult, and others who defend those unable to defend themselves… You are a blessing. But it’s time for us to forget and forgive this site, we have other ways to change their lives in time. Let it settle for now. Who of you will join me?

  50. Amdroid permalink
    January 21, 2011 4:27 am

    @Seaweed – “Happy Girl, Cult, and others who defend those unable to defend themselves” – Are YOU serious? I’m trying to think who they are defending that can’t defend themselves. Oh wait, they are defending Dean. Your entire post is a joke now bc you said that. Like Dean Kosage can’t defend himself. Is he helpless now? Or did he just command his army of worshipers to follow his “stand up for someone when they’ve been wronged” campaign.

    And I doubt you’ve read the other blogs from Amthrax. They aren’t “opinions”, they are our experiences with Dean and those are not opinions. And you are wrong, I think this site is helpful to those looking at checking out both sides of Dean Kosage. He isn’t always the super great, wonderful, charming guy that he appears to be when you first meet him or kiss his ass all the time. Challenge him in anyway and you’ll see him become Mr. Hyde — or the metamorphosis from Bruce Banner to The Hulk – I left out “Incredible” on purpose (you wouldn’t like it when he gets angry).

    Fact is, all the folks (groupies) like you only want the positive image of Dean to be out there on the web, how he inspires you, makes you be a better person, etc., but that isn’t the only side of Dean and that’s why Amthrax is here as well as us. He isn’t always Mr. Wonderful or Mr. Universe as you can see from those of us that have had our own personal FACTUAL experiences and situations with the guy.

    And for this blog you posted on? It’s about who The Cult and Happy Girl are… aka Dean & his girly friend on the beach which rhymes with Stovelena.

    Good to hear from another Dean follower tho. Take care.

  51. aurora permalink
    January 21, 2011 4:57 am

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  52. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 21, 2011 6:14 am

    i guess i don’t really understand what you’re getting at aurora, maybe it’s some sort of humor but, eh, oh well. if you wish to speak more clearly, try not ‘clouding’ everything you say with insults.

    Amdroid, i think you might have misunderstood my post. I was applauding those willing to defend others. Just as you just did by defending amthrax and others on this site. I quite honestly have no clue who Dean is… never even heard of him before. And of course he isn’t always the ‘super great guy’ or whatever. no one is perfect, and i don’t see you pointing out everyone in the worlds flaws. or for a better instance of the situation, i don’t see you pointing out Amthrax’s flaws… Not that i want you to, i am just saying you’re being pretty selective if your whole reason for bashing a person is because some people think he’s awesome. Or that he inspires people and tells them they can be successful.

    Lastly, you stated that what you guys say is pure fact and not opinion… this might be true. however, How you perceive the situation is purely opinion, and it seems to me that everyone who is supported by this site has has a crappy attitude, and thus a crappy opinion on how life unfolds for them.

  53. Amdroid permalink
    January 21, 2011 7:36 am

    @Ryan – There was another blog here about this Dean guy that started innocently about him leaving Amway and WWDB and asked our take on the whole situation. It then became a discussion about the “system” and how that was flawed. Then this Cult guy comes in and starts attacking anyone that has a less than positive word to say about Dean (and believe me, there was very little negatively said about Dean at that time).

    Then this Happy Girl & Susan Miller poster coincidentally started backing up The Cult and posting at the same times from the same location in this same smaller town in CA that Dean lives in. So it became them battling to defend Dean’s honor vs our personal experiences, which then led to this blog about The Cult and Happy Girl and this Susan Miller all being the same person, Dean himself, or what.

    And yes, perception is opinion, if you weren’t knowledgeable about what’s gone on. But it’s not like many of us were onlookers, perceiving what was happening from afar, without my personal knowledge of being involved in situations. When I am present and something is said and done to me or I witness someone saying or doing something to another person and then I say I experienced it, that is not opinion — they are called witnesses and are used all the time to prove events and situations that occurred, both good & bad.

    Peace out!

  54. aurora permalink
    January 21, 2011 8:12 am

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  55. Joecool permalink
    January 21, 2011 10:12 am

    Is Dean or one of his supporters ever going to name some of the “hundreds of thousands” of people he has helped or at least name some of those downline diamonds aka “fruit” off Dean’s tree?

    The crickets keep chirping but no bonafide facts have been posted.

  56. aurora permalink
    January 21, 2011 10:43 am

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  57. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 21, 2011 2:39 pm

    Ahh i see, thanks for the explanation amdroid, i appreciate that. I honestly do not know Dean, and if you read my posts, aurora, you’ll find that I never defended him either. wait… does Dino = Dean? I guess I don’t really know, but I’m going to assume it is as such.

    Amdroid, since you’re the only one that answers my questions, aside from Amthrax. I understand that you went threw some hardships involving MLM and listened to a lot of other people who have. But, What are all the reasons you still continue to come to this site? In no way am I trying to persuade you to leave this site… but I would like to know your reasons for you staying and being here.

    Lastly, how you take the events that befall you in life are pure opinion. Sure the facts remain the same, but what you get out of it and how you you react are choices that you make based off of your perception/opinions on the matter. And thus Different opinions grant you different results due to different actions. I choose to not dwell on the things that have not gone my way, honestly that’s a lot of what this site is about. I suppose that’s where our major disagreement is.

    I believe that you guys have undergone some crap, in fact i know you have. (It happens in every MLM, they aren’t easy in the slightest) I would not say that you should change who you are or that you should worship MLM or even speak a cent of good a word towards them. And it’s alright to share your facts and experiences in the field, and share your opinion on it as well. I would not even dream of taking that freedom away from you, you all have every right to do what you are doing here.

    Obviously not ever site is created equally and not everyone is built for greatness… But in retrospect, You guys discourage MLM and say it’s a bad avenue for finances, But since you have left the MLMs, and since you have started being a commoner to this site… has either of these brought you what you got into the MLM in the first place?
    Really think about this question: Has picking on the MLM’s brought you financial freedom, Better faith life, Emotional control or happiness, closer to your family, better understanding and relationships with people, or health? Sure maybe some of these, but the main one we are talking about here is Finances, because that’s why most people join MLMs.

    In my experience, complaining about a situation or picking on a biz model or someones ideas, has never brought me any of those things I had listed above. However, I do know one person that has gotten financial freedom and huge amounts of power out of picking on specific group and uniting haters together… like this site does by nature. His name was Hitler. But then again, he didn’t have most of those things i listed above either.

    So what does this site bring you, and the other people that come here often? are you financially free now? Are you able to do what you love? do you come and go from home as you please?
    Lastly, if you think they did MLMs so bad, instead of complaining, why don’t you go and trump them with your own business? If you made a lot of people financially free they wouldn’t even have to conciter

  58. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 21, 2011 2:40 pm

    crap… sorry, i accidentally pressed post comment. they wouldn’t have to even consider the MLMs, you could save a lot of people from what you think is evil… no?

  59. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 21, 2011 2:42 pm

    lmao, and I didn’t realize I said ‘Lastly’ earlier in the post near the top! xD That’s so fail! I should have said ‘Secondly’ lol.

  60. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 21, 2011 3:18 pm

    sorry for spamming comments but i must correct this i stated “Obviously not ever site is created equally and not everyone is built for greatness” Before i am misinterpreted, i meant to say “Obviously not EVERY website is created equally and not ever WEBSITE is built for greatness”

  61. aurora permalink
    January 21, 2011 4:12 pm

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  62. Amdroid permalink
    January 21, 2011 4:48 pm

    Ryan- Before we start a discussion or one tries to really decipher what you’re saying through your backhanded serious inquiries, I think you should actually read the Dean Leaving WWDB blog as that will probably answer most of your questions.

    Does everything I do promote financial freedom, better faith life, close to my family, better control of my life, absolutely not, as I’m sure is the same for you. So please stop talking down to us bc we are sharing some negative experiences in a public forum bc if you’ve ever gossiped once in your life then you’re a hypocrite.

  63. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 21, 2011 4:56 pm

    Hahaha, once again Aurora~ you’ve got me wrong.

    I suppose this is a bit odd that i did show up when I did, but i assure you it was pure coincidence.
    =) That’s a good question Aurora. “And what do you get out of coming to this site often?” first i should state I have no affiliations with Amway, was never even in the business. Though I have heard about it, and it does seem like they are a bit selfish there… but what do i know, I’ve only heard from other people. So I should not talk poorly of them, it’s quite possible that they are a great company and have helped and served many people… in fact come to think of it, I did hear that they helped out some town in Michigan around lake city, or was it lake city? I dono. But enough about them.

    to answer your question (even though mine still remains unanswered) I do not think that talking you to death will discourage you, but I do hope it gets you thinking. I originally posted on this site to discourage people from taking some of your bad advice that is posted on this website. But as i stuck around i had realized that there are some actual genuine and kind people here. So what am i doing here? Well i am called back here repeatedly to answer and reply to your posts of course, I really gain nothing out of this site except for a potential friendship, So my main reason for being here is to verbally help and support others who are wanting an ounce of success and happiness in their life by exposing the truth. Nothing i have said has been false nor harmful, nor have I once had anything i have said conflict with it’s self. I will not say i am the smartest nor wisest person here, but the questions i ask you are still worth asking yourself. Ultimately I am trying to get people to stop focusing on destroying the MLMs and start focusing on something that actually matters. And if you think that destroying them does matter, then re-read all of my posts i have posted on this site (which is only in this section and in

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/more-ex-team-members-commenting-about-their-teamwoodward-experiences/

    <— this section. You should be able to understand why this is true… i have listed many reasons as to why. And also sympathized and understood why most of you are here and your good intentions.

    If you have formed a community here based on friendship, then that's Awesome! by all means continue this site, but a change of topic and heart would be a bit better for everyone.

    And Aurora (btw i think that's a neat name, easy to remember and sounds cool), it seems to me that you seek satisfaction out of others illnesses…

    "I love to a little man get all mad and be unable to do anything about it. Makes for great comedy."

    Well, good luck with that… i don't mind if traffic is driven to this site. anyone willing to actually base a good opinion off of it will read what has been said, and they will read what i have said too… this is enough for me to be satisfied. =)

  64. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 21, 2011 5:35 pm

    Amdroid. LMAO! O_O Hot Snap! You want me to read that whole section under dean… that’s HUGE! that’s worse than reading one of my lengthy and boring posts! haha. Anyhow, I don’t think i will read it but I don’t find it necessary for the issues truly at hand here… since my posts here really haven’t been relevant to the actual topic of this forum… for that i apologize, but it did grab your attentions.

  65. January 21, 2011 7:00 pm

    Dean Kosage appears to me to be an egotistical wing nut.

  66. aurora permalink
    January 22, 2011 5:06 am

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  67. January 22, 2011 9:32 am

    Yes, after all, why would Ryan want to get himself educated with what he’s commenting on?

    Genuine and kind people are exactly who people like your little big man Dean-0 targets because they tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    Dean Kosage, based on what I’ve read about him and seen on videos is a case study on little big man syndrome.

    Why Ryan sees the need to defend him is beyond me. Why Dean would be here defending himself…..that I get.

    Oh wait….I think he is. Hi Dean!

  68. aurora permalink
    January 22, 2011 10:09 am

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  69. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 22, 2011 1:08 pm

    You can all pick Fights with me all you want. It doesn’t really tare at my emotions at all. But i can see it does with yours.

    Rocket, I don’t even know who Dean is, and I haven’t ever defended him. But if you don’t believe me you can read all my posts. you’ll see i have barely any mention of Dean, in fact i thought he was in Amway or something, turns out, from what Amdroid, he was from WWDB or something like that… are they the same thing? I honestly have no clue lol.

    My main concern here is apparently not what I made you to believe.

    Look at how much work and research Amthrax puts into this place, how much you guys put in. It’s astonishing. I mean, you guys keep up on all the leaders blogs and report back to here frequently. You guys put time and thought into your posts. What I am saying is you guys are good at what you do. You guys are fully capable of great things and of great impact. Especially you Amthrax. Amdroid, you’re pretty cool too… your posts and responses are very well thought out and you’re not unwilling to listen and think. And to answer your question, yes, i once was a hypocrite… but i no longer gossip, so i am no longer a hypocrite.

    Aurora, man! are you Fierce. you sure know how to throw some punches. … Of course no one really likes to get punched in the face, lol ^^; . But what i’m saying is you’ve got fire, passion, you are definitely set on your ways and you will not bow to any man.

    Joecool, we haven’t talked much… but I read a little about you. You left an MLM because one of your ‘leaders’ told you to basically drop your wife. Family comes before business, any one that suggest anything of the opposite nature is sick disgusting! I give you mad props for picking up your bags and leaving. On that note though, what one man in the biz says to you doesn’t necessarily speaks for the whole businesses ideals… but you can be assured I would have never asked anything from him again. That guy didn’t deserve you in his business anyhow.

    The nature of MLMs isn’t evil. Yes there are some evil people who have been involved… but that goes true with everything. MLMs can potentially be a great business model.And many of its concepts are great for any business really. MLMs HAS made some people free and has brought great things to peoples lives.

    I’m not really in any form of argument with you guys, i’m just trying to let you understand that you are capable of something WAY more productive.

    And I know you’re not just going to have a huge change of mind because of something some random stranger came in and said… some stranger that happens to sound like any other person that has ever come here that is not on your side or wanting to take down MLMs.

    However i’m probably one of the only people to ever come here and post my real name… I am not a coward. What I say has true meaning. I’m not trying to shoot you down or tell you all that what you have been doing here is stupid or has been a complete waist of time. But what i am saying is i believe you are ALL capable of something more.

    Just something to end with. Since a lot of you are moral and good standing people. Whether you believe in God or not. Just imagine this scenario. You have died and gone to heaven, God says to you “Good job my faithful servant.” “You have destroyed the MLMs that have been spreading truth about me and Christianity, putting hope back into peoples lives, made many people become happier and more emotionally self controlled, built up the characters of (not all but) many. and have allowed many to grow and become better with people, treat the spouses more purely, and spend more quality time with their children… all at the possible risk/cost of a weakened finances, but also many times a heightened finances as well.”

    Now of course that sounds ridiculous, God would never commend you for ruining something that was good, holy, and helpful to this world and the people in it. And of course not all MLM’s do that… but Team does, and I am sure some others might too. But you know from what i just said that, this really isn’t that great of a cause… this really isn’t that morally uplifting for the world… And that you are all capable of so much more. Do something awesome with your lives, don’t just die with nothing really great accomplished because you spent your whole life trying to tear something down that caused you some grief, but also caused many others great happiness.

    You are all capable of so much more.

  70. Amdroid permalink
    January 22, 2011 1:24 pm

    Thanks for the compliment Ryan. I guess my question to you is what is your motive here? Are you merely just going from blog to blog telling bloggers to be happy in life?

    I guess I’m perplexed as to why one would spend a lot of their time going down that road — leading horses to water you know they don’t care to drink.

  71. aurora permalink
    January 22, 2011 1:51 pm

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  72. January 22, 2011 2:25 pm

    Good Lord. Based on Ryan’s long boring diatribe, this is all the critics got going on in their lives. Not true Chief. I’d be more than happy to stand next to Dean Kosage at the gates of heaven if only one of us could get in.

    Like it or not, MLM has caused more heartache than anything else for the vast majority of those involved.

    If you disagree, you are one of 2 things:

    1. Stupid and ignorant of the reality surrounding MLM

    2. One of the very people who causes heartache to the vast majority of participants.

    I don’t think being critical of a money losing proposition is as time consuming as you think it is. I have a good life, a great career (none of your goddamn business) and a fantastic social life.

    Plus my posts aren’t as long and pointless as yours.

  73. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 22, 2011 2:33 pm

    Haha, you’re welcome Amdroid. =)
    But it’s true, you guys DO do a lot here. and it is impressive.

    In truth it’s not really that strange of a thing as to why I am here. If you you are on a subway and you see this lady sitting next to you trying to open a bottle but can’t seem to get it… you say , ‘Here, let me open that for you’. Or you see some kid next to you trying to pull Oreos apart incorrectly, you might say ‘here, let me show you something, may i see one of your oreos? i’m not going to eat it’ The kid gives you the oreo and you twist it open and hand it back to the kid. Now if the kid has pride issues he might tell you that you were just lucky or “you’re a stupid face” lol. but you can be sure he will be twisting his oreos from now on (as long as you’re not there to watch him). Or it’s possible the kid will smile and you and say thanks, with a bit of glimmer in his eyes.

    If i see something that i am capable of helping with, Especially when it comes to something I’m passionate about (IE: Wisdom, emotional control / happiness, Music, and also very much so; people who wish to make a positive impact on other peoples lives) I am inclined by nature to at least put what I know out there so that it might help them succeed.

    I can easily see that you guys DO want to make a positive impact on peoples lives, even if that’s just by preventing them from doing something that could be potentially harmful lol.
    And Izzy is right, sometimes they CAN cause emotional damage. but instead of letting yourself get damaged, it’s an equal possibility that you can take it as an opportunity to learn emotional control. Learning how to control my emotions in my life was the gateway to my happiness… MLMs aren’t the only way you can learn these things, but they are one of the ways. Instead of trying to destroy something that really HAS changed and helped peoples lives and continues to do so. Instead of trying to destroy something that has helped people out in many ways other than finances (at least in my experience with TEAM, and i should also point out that TEAM originated from Amway, although that doesn’t mean either of them is 100% pure holiness)… how about trying to create something that helps to create the happiness that was lacking in your experiences with MLMs… You guys created this didn’t you? It’s only a website, but it’s also a possibility for something even greater. I don’t know what that is because i’m not you, i don’t know what you are passionate about… but don’t make it about something that is just surrounded in people attacking one another. Don’t make it about destroying something that is truly helpful to this world even though there are bad eggs out there. …

    This is what I am doing with the music industry… it’s not evil but there are a lot of bad eggs out there, turn on the radio and you hear a lot of Sex this and poor me that, it’s no wonder that those two things are talked about so often nearly anywhere i go… on chat boards online to where i used to work at Taco Bell. Instead of trying to destroy it though, I’m re-creating it… and it’s a perfect time to because as you can see, the music industry is in a pretty big bind right now. So me and my group are making it a little more equal opportunity based, which helps a LOT more people out, then it would by killing the industry completely… because those that have made it in that field. and we aren’t selfish or trying to be at the top of it either… i learned not to do that through MLMs (because some do but i was thought not to). Obviously there is much more to it than just that… but what i’m doing doesn’t really matter to you, the reason I tell you about it is because I’ve never felt more important and needed to this world than I do now, never felt more alive… because i’m on a mission that matters. And because i know it will be worth it to you.

    Hope that answers your question clearly.

  74. January 22, 2011 2:57 pm

    Ryan Seewald = BORING!!!!!

    Where’s the part come in where you have something to offer as opposed to lengthy diatribes with no point? You talk about helping an old lady open a bottle or a kid with an ore, and you say that’s what you’re doing here.

    Let me make something perfectly clear:

    You seem to have a message that isn’t applicable to anyone here. If you have no stake in this, why are you here?

    Damage control – Fail.

  75. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 22, 2011 3:03 pm

    Just because you don’t get it doesn’t mean others wont.

  76. January 22, 2011 3:07 pm

    I get it. You’re full of shit.

  77. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 22, 2011 3:13 pm

    xD hahaha.. nice. lmao, that was pretty smooth.

  78. January 22, 2011 3:25 pm

    Not as smooth as burying an entire comment thread exposing how Dean Kosage is likely trying to hide the fact that he or one of his followers is out doing damage control about his name, and got busted pretending to be someone he’s not.

    But I’m sure he’s used to pretending to be someone he’s not…..

    Maybe he should act in a manner that earns respect instead of creating the illusion that he’s worthy of it.

  79. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 22, 2011 3:48 pm

    I agree, now that i’ve read a little on Dean and read through that long post from that Rhino guy. The way he treated Daven and the way he just pretends to be rich and so on to manipulate people, that’s some serious crap. I’ll agree with you, from what that guy had said, his character is lacking… but i can’t tell you if it is all true, i wasn’t there, nor do we need to gossip about the guy. I mean, neither of us really know him that well, maybe he’s helped a few people out in life, maybe he’s said something that has erratically changed someones life for the better. It is very possible and you know that. Anyways, lets stick to the true subject at hand here, not the topic of this post or it’s previous topic, but what our conversations have led to… because its far more meaningful than gossip.

  80. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 22, 2011 3:48 pm

    I’m just waiting for Amdroid to respond to my post from earlier.

  81. January 22, 2011 3:54 pm

    Ryan Seewald, please. The true subject is the blog author’s post, not what you think it is.

    Dean Kosage being nice is possible in the same way pigs flying is possible.

    He’s changed lives, but not likely for the better. If you know otherwise, prove it. Otherwise, STFU and start your own blog where the “true subject” can be what you make it.

    This ain’t yours, Kosage is still a woman beater (court records) in my mind, and a manipulating asshole to boot (people who were in his downline have said so).

    That’s more than meaningful gossip, and it’s not highjacking a thread like you’re attempting to do, presumably on Dean’s behalf.

  82. aurora permalink
    January 22, 2011 4:30 pm

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    January 22, 2011 4:39 pm

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  84. January 22, 2011 7:57 pm

    Just for clarification, I base my opinion primarily on the information provided here:

    http://www.amquix.info/kosage.html

    I wasn’t there, obviously. But I feel in the interest of fairness that the basis for my opinion is open.

  85. January 23, 2011 1:09 am

    @Ryan and all – let’s get back to the topic at hand and dispense with the long-winded, unrelated comments. Focus!

  86. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 23, 2011 3:14 am

    Amthrax, why are you stepping in front of my posts? I have not harmed you nor anyone here, have not insulted people. I have not said anything that you need to hide, if people don’t like the truth they can choose not to read it. If you want all facts out on the table, if you want and open debate… don’t monitor my posts.

    So with that said… Before i was interrupted, i was having an actual intellectual conversation with amdroid. i’m not going to gossip about Dean since i don’t know him nor is gossiping productive… and i’m not going to dis TEAM because TEAM is awesome… so there’s no way for me to post on here and stay on topic. so how can i get a hold of Amdroid? You can give him my email adress if you wish.

  87. Amdroid permalink
    January 23, 2011 9:21 am

    Anyone who uses the term “job free” obviously is or recently has been in some form of an MLM. Again I’m not sure of your intent here, Ryan, except as Rocket said, to hijack this post trying to disengage us or throw some positive spin the MLM way or Dean’s way.

    I also find it hard to believe that somehow you are not involved with Dean Kosage, The Cult or Happy Girl in some way, coming in here trying to befriend us and are now telling us “let’s stick to the true subject at hand here, not the subject of this post or it’s previous post, but what our conversations have led to.” – that is hijacking and spinning this blog to deflect the issue at hand.

    But being back on point here, I honestly think you are involved with Dean and his crew and your job was to make us seem like haters when in fact we are just showing the other side of the coin. It’s again odd that you’d show up in here immediately after The Cult and Happy Girl were yanked from the front line.

  88. aurora permalink
    January 23, 2011 1:36 pm

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  89. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 23, 2011 5:34 pm

    Thanks Amthrax =)

    Is there any way to confirm if they are the same person or not? from what i’ve heard the They were from the same IP address… but you would think if someone was going to go threw the proses of playing as you people, they would at least think to change their IP address… no? Which sort of makes me feel that it was two people, just near by each other.

  90. Ryan Seewald - Job Free Musician. permalink
    January 23, 2011 5:35 pm

    excuse me… i meant to say “play as TWO* people”

  91. Joecool permalink
    January 24, 2011 11:03 am

    This came off the amquix website:

    “Dean jumped out of the car and kicked my mother in the stomach (karate style) with
    so much force she was flattened on her back and had the wind knocked out of here.
    She was lying on the ground in a fetal position when Dean began to back up the car.
    He almost hit her. He stopped in the middle of the road and threw a (baby)
    bottle (full) at her, hitting her in the head. Then he got out of the car, came up to her,
    called her a “fat b-tch” and a “f-king c-nt”, and slapped her across the head.
    He unzipped his pants and told her she cold “suck on this, you f-king c-nt”.”

  92. aurora permalink
    January 24, 2011 11:39 am

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  93. Joecool permalink
    January 24, 2011 11:56 am

    Only Amthrax can confirm the IP addresses of the bloggers.

  94. Joecool permalink
    January 24, 2011 12:07 pm

    More from the Amquix website:

    “a few minutes later I heard a crash at the door. Dean had thrown the car seat against it.” “Although he is in a domestic violence treatment program at Northwest Family Life, he denies having any problems with anger, control or violence (he has a BIG problem with all three.)”

  95. Amdroid permalink
    January 24, 2011 12:26 pm

    And I can all the “it’s a conspiracy” from all the Dean lovers. Yep… I’m sure the woman who married Dean and loved him enough to have a child with him — and her mother conspired the same story within the few minutes it probably took the cops to get to the residence and then took Rebecca into custody. I’m trying to figure out when they had time to get their stories straight.

    Then his downline that was his first direct that thought so much of Dean that he wanted out even after making some decent money. Ya, sounds like Dean is the victim in all of this, NOT! When you start to put the pieces together it really does start to make sense on where the problem lies. Is the problem really “everyone else”? Or could it just be possible that it’s DEAN!!

  96. January 24, 2011 4:42 pm

    I’m “stepping in front of your posts” because your comments are too long-winded and not to the point. Make them shorter in the future.

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  98. Burned Out With MV permalink
    January 28, 2011 8:34 am

    And there we have it, another side effect of MV is multiple personality disorder, lol

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  101. Amdroid permalink
    February 3, 2011 7:37 am

    He’s just bragging and I’m sure using that as a way to lure more people into his web. Again, he’s all about the popularity and recognition and not-so-much the “helping others succeed”.

  102. aurora permalink
    February 3, 2011 9:03 am

    Name dropping is so boring.

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  104. aurora permalink
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  105. June 13, 2011 12:19 pm

    I believe you cult girl is one Novalena Betencourt, she seems to be controlling Dean at this time. After giving Dean several attempts to prove himself i left the organization and went back to WWDB. Deans hostile attitude to anyone that didnt agree with him was to much to take. That and the only people that followed hom from WWDB were 2 directs, both of whom missed their last direct qualification, Dean himself has missed his Diamond qualification since leaving WWDB. Dean has chastised me for calling him out in the past, and wish I would have saved the correspondance from him, had it been face to face, I wonder if he would have gotten physical. I noticed several well established leader have shied away from joining his training team, and Dean seems to be focussed on other revenue streams, and leaving his Amway downline to fend for themselves

  106. June 13, 2011 4:55 pm

    Jim: This “person whose name shall not be named” was suggested by me as well, until I received several emails from D.K. himself telling me to remove her name from the site. I’m glad that other people have made similar guesses as to the identity of happy girl.

  107. Old Mountain Man permalink
    September 7, 2011 1:22 pm

    The only things I find amusing is that anyone would be the least bit concerned with Dean or his alter-ego’s, or that anyone would believe that the “old gang of mine” is sitting around a coffee shop, on a laptop, writing in turn defending Deano. (Hey, let’s get together and write on this blog!, lol, That would be a sad existence indeed.)
    There will always be people around to take advantage of others, (A suck born every minute), and he is just one that has such a monstrous ego that it can not be contained in just one individual. He has to invent others that “tell” him of the writings, so he can “ignore” it and try to seem above it all.
    As long as he doesn’t bother me, I say who cares if he 3 or 4 different people in the blogs? It’s something that inspires only pity to me. I have had people write bad things about me. I take the approach that if I do not respect the opinion of that individual, what he or she says about me really does not bother me. Why should it?
    Jim Morrison said it best. “People are strange”.
    Smiles.

  108. yeah right, like I'm gonna give dean that ammo permalink
    September 8, 2011 9:25 am

    Although the bulk of these posts are from earlier in the year and the majority of the people who had any interest in this blog at all have stopped posting, I do find that there are a few things that I just HAVE to clear up.

    1) Anyone who has ever had a conversation with Dean over text, especially in the last few years, can see by reading any one of the posts made by “The Cult” that based on the grammar and punctuation it is most definitely Dean himself making these posts. That being said, if you look up the definition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder you will see some mind bogging parallels (frankly it frightens me for the mans life in the near future).

    2) As for “Happy Girl,” speculation that it is Novalena is a GREAT guess, but again, based on grammar and punctuation style, I would say probably not. I don’t know who it is, probably some other person that Dean has “de programmed” (HAHAHA, more like re-brainwashed). In 2009 when Dean started his deankosage.com website he gathered a group of people to post kind things about him (like the copy and pasted post that he put here in hopes of discrediting the Joe Thorpe story). I will admit that I was definitely “drinking the juice” back then and posted on his site. The things I said were true in my mind, which I’m sure is true of all these other people posting kind things or defending Dean now. I’m sure in a couple years they, too, will see the light and wish they had never made the statements they made (Joe Thorpe (Sorry Joe, don’t mean to make this all about you buddy)).

    3) Weather or not Joe Thorpe (Who I know personally) himself posted the extremely long, entertaining umm……. story shall we say? about his experience with Dean or not, the FACT of the matter is, the majority of it is true. I can say that because (and I hate to even say it because of how many times Dean/The Cult said it in his ridiculously redundant posts) I was there and witnessed at least as much of what Joe posted, if not more, on more occasions. Whoever wrote the story wrote an accurate representation of Dean’s tendency to manipulate all of the people around him, myself included. (If you haven’t read said story, you really should just for entertainment sake.. or maybe I’m entertained because I can relate?)

    Anyway, the long and short of it all is that if you work closely with Dean, and I mean in close proximity, you will eventually be used, abused, and get burned. He is a great guy to work with at a distance, where he can’t touch you or see you often enough to remember that he hasn’t done something to manipulate you in the last couple of days/weeks/months. I have dealt with Dean both personally and professionally and all I can say is my experience was (to put it mildly) bad.

    Good luck to those of you still working with him. Hopefully yours will be a better experience than mine, and honestly if you are anyone of influence or you have money or you’ve ever done anything that in normal social settings would make you stand out above the crowd, you’ve probably never had an awful or even severely confrontational experience with Dean because he’s afraid to mess with you. I was not one of those people when I was associated with Dean. I was in fact a peon.

  109. Old Mountain Man permalink
    September 8, 2011 3:51 pm

    Well I will defer to you in the matter of Dean, you are most certainly closer to him the I ever was. I was cross line in Felber’s line and only met Dean once. My wife asked me what was bothering me after the meet, and I told her back then, and I quote, “there is something about that guy that’s like biting into tinfoil”. This was back at my Direct level, and just after Dean went emerald, so many moons ago. I do not have any trouble believing that he would make several different ID’s to write things about himself, and to defend his actions. I asked my upline about the arrest when he assaulted his fiancée’s mother at her home. I was told to keep it quiet and not pass negative down line. Funny isn’t it? In any case, you know far more about the situation then I do, and I would never want to expend the time arguing a point I know little about. Your blog does bring some smiles, and I thank you for pursuing it, there are a lot of people out there that are still following blindly. The only ones I have shared my findings with in my down line have been the ones that have just asked me out right why I left after achieving emerald PV/BV. I never qualified because I left before I held it for the 6 months. I just couldn’t lie about the bonus / tool money and the actual income of the tools. Again, funny huh?
    Take care, and good luck. Thanks for your response!

  110. May 18, 2012 10:49 am

    UPDATE SCAMWAY DEAN KOSAGE is a MOST WANTED DEADBEAT DAD for his Child Support Obligations to his 15 year old Child. Want to see evidence about this con-man who has gone missing. Eat your heart out:
    https://fortress.wa.gov/dshs/csips/mostwanted/frame.asp?action=build_poster&db=default&yr=0&mo=0&item=21&dt=5/17/2012&bi=4333103
    Looks like he can’t even pay 1,100 a month and has gone missing. Yeah what a dreamer, too busy to take care of his child and meet his basic support obligations. Wonder if this crook has jumped the border to go to Mexico. Want to see his court history? dw.courts.wa.gov remember that link. He has two names by the way. William D Kosage is his real legal name, his alias is what everyone knows him as Dean Kosage. People sometimes use aliases to make it difficult to find the dirt that exists on them. There is some real dirt including Domestic Violence and what appears to be criminal history. These are all Government Sites, official WA state Government sites.

    46 05-04-2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE Notice Of Appearance And Objection
    To Venue /pet
    47 05-07-2012 RETURN OF SERVICE Return Of Service

    It looks like he is back in court again this time trying to get out of child support obligations, but he went missing from the Most Wanted site you can see. Probably he is a Pro Se appearing by telephone. Wonder how he is going to pull this one off now. I don’t know where people say this man is so nice, I’ve heard he does far more worse to people than good, think of how much downline “Pro-Sumers” he’s frauded out of millions just to make Scamway a buck, and collect his pennies to the dollar kickback, but the books and tapes now that’s where he for sure has made a killing. Might as well bootleg that crap. Dean the sociopath puts it in proper perspective. This nut-job likely on medication, couldn’t find his way out of a wet paper bad with directions.

  111. May 18, 2012 11:04 am

    Look up William Kosage on dw.courts.wa.gov

  112. May 18, 2012 11:16 am

    What a loser. I’m sure he’s claiming a “permanent and substantial change in circumstances” to try to get his support lowered. Just PAY IT DEAN!!! Get over Becca and MOVE ON!! Stop trying to continually make her pay!! Effing dead beat. I’m sure he stopped paying support all together (thus him being on dead beat dad website) and his reasoning is bc he’s trying to get it modified. It’s 99% of the time ALL about $$ with the non-custodial parent. They will do anything to get back at the other parent and putting the kid in the middle and withholding $ is the two biggest ways to do it.

  113. TruthSeeker permalink
    May 18, 2012 2:16 pm

    Scathing information. Don’t know why he is “missing”, should be pretty easy to find, he is all over Facebook.

  114. May 19, 2012 1:21 am

    If you want to give a tip to Enforcement then please do on that government link. He may not show up directly on that page as they refreshed the link, but look downward and in the middle and you will see “William Kosage”. If you know his whereabouts please submit a tip to enforcement as he is in contempt of court presently for violating a lawful order.

  115. May 20, 2012 12:35 pm

    I’ve posted a dedicated post about this here:

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2012/05/20/dean-kosage-on-washington-state-division-of-child-support-most-wanted-list/

    Moving the discussion over to that post now. Closing comments on this thread.

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