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Humor (Somewhat): $10/admission to TEAM-Casts to a Million!

March 23, 2011

I have finally discovered how Orrin is going to make it to a million members in TEAM!

A well-known quote from TEAM Leader Orrin Woodward is that his organization is “going to a million.”

Now, we could split hairs and debate what “going to a million” actually means. Is he talking about his Twitter followers (now over 170,000) or the total number of people who have been a part of TEAM? With the latter, one begs the question whether or not we should count the number of “quitters” from TEAM. I reckon that number is getting close to or has already surpassed the number of people in TEAM today.

I was recently forwarded this PDF document on Team-Casts. What is this “powerful tool in helping you build a strong business” you might ask? Simply put, a TEAM-Cast is a live stream of a TEAM meeting.

Basically, people set up a meeting at a distributor’s house, get other people to join, and watch a live stream of a TEAM meeting happening somewhere around the world.

Okay, I get that. I can even see some benefits to this, including:

  • TEAM Leaders don’t have to travel by car or plane for their weekly meetings, saving precious dollars and time on gas and hotel accommodations.
  • TEAM Leaders can speak to all of their downline all at once.
  • No need to rent out a hotel conference room, in which there might be 30 people, 28 of whom are already in the business.
  • Theoretical ability to reach more people by virtue of using modern technology like streaming video and the Internet.

Here’s what I really “like” about TEAM-Casts. TEAM wants to charge people $10/head for admission.

For in home locations, without a table at the entrance, it is more difficult to collect payment from attendees. If space allows, set up a small table and collect money that way. If space doesn’t allow, set up a designated spot in your home for attendees to learn that is the place to pay and collect their weekly receipt.

Once again, TEAM demonstrates they know the MLM business really well. Let’s cut out the middleman of the hotel room and keep all the meeting profits for ourselves! Muhahaha!

The last two sentences are worth highlighting:

Your event might be really small with only 5 people or you may have 50 people, but the most important piece is to promote that this IS how we are going to go to a million people! Your location is part of a world‐wide seminar system and when you can cast that vision for your group it shows how your group is part of the overall huge vision of the TEAM.

And now we come to exactly how Orrin Woodward and TEAM will get to a million people. First, let’s connect the dots:

  • People watching on the Internet
  • People can’t see what’s not shown on camera
  • TEAM has full control over what to show and what not to show

Can anyone say digital doubles? Yes, through clever use of the Internet and special effects technology, I am hypothesizing that the way Orrin Woodward will get to a million people is by putting on a TEAM-Cast in which one million digital doubles, complete with soundtrack, will cheer him on as he speaks to you, the TEAM flock, in the privacy of your own home.

Here is the full text of the TEAM-Cast document.


Team‐Cast is a powerful tool in helping you build a strong business. It’s important to keep in mind the viewing itself isn’t the only part that makes a Team‐Cast successful. Consider your opportunity to have top speakers who are growing right now delivering the most relevant information providing you the opportunity to take what is shared and implement in real time. With that in mind, let’s review the principles, practices and technical aspects of a Team‐Cast.


  1. View your Team‐Cast as a mini seminar/ open meeting location.
  2. Dress professionally
  3. It is extremely important that you have tools accessible. The speakers will be
    referencing several tools and you want them immediately available at your location.
  4. For larger locations, it is important to run these Team‐Casts as an actual event.
    1. For seminars, have stage hosts, ticket table, consignment major tickets for purchase and a tool table. All of this may seem minor, but these small details are very important when your goal is to provide a professional seminar. These steps allow you to provide a glimpse into what a big deal the team seminar system really is.
      1. Tool table: With multiple leaders from a single organization plugging into one location here is a suggestion: Have one tool table with a table worker. That person will write out receipts and he/she will be able to track which director’s group the individual purchasing is from. This step allows all directors to keep track of the tools he or she is selling that evening.
  5. The mood of the room is the key. Although this is not a live event, you can take steps to make it feel live by creating the seminar/ open meeting mood at your location. It is essential that the leaders model a learning environment as if at a live location.


  1. One week before your event make sure you thoroughly review the requirements because there are specific technical recommendations your location may need to address.
  2. Log in prior to the event and allow the background music to play. The change in music that signals the start of the event will alert the Team‐Cast attendees that the seminar is about to begin.
  3. Seminar recognition
    1. When first half recognition begins, it will start with stand up recognition for
      various levels. Have your Team‐Cast location participate in this recognition. Then watch all recognition from the big stage so your group can catch a vision for where this is going.
    2. If your Team‐Cast location is large enough, after the stand up recognition, turn down the sound and begin your location’s recognition. This is a very powerful part of the Team‐Cast experience. It allows you to recognize your teammates who are performing. It is inspirational to everyone in the room to know that your group is moving on. Use TEAM seminar recognition levels for this.
    3. When recognition ends the connector in the room has a great opportunity to promote the tools the speakers have referenced, or tools that are important to the vision of your team, and to also promote the major.
    4. Following recognition is a very critical time for your Team‐Cast. This break time should be focused on community building. At the end of the break, make sure to give a signal that the seminar will be starting soon. 10 and 5 minute intervals work well, and also allow your group to be ready when the seminar resumes.
    5. It is a nice touch to dim the lights for the second half. Since the second portion is focused around the speaker’s story, dimming the lights allows people to settle back in after a break time and put their attention on the speakers.
  4. For Open meetings in between the plan and the night owl this is a great opportunity to engage with the new people and introduce them to their community.
    1. If ok with the homeowner, keep your shoes on for the presentation. Taking your shoes off can go down the slippery slope of getting too comfortable.
    2. Set up chairs at a minimum. Be sure to have extra chairs for people arriving, but don’t get them out until they are needed.
    3. Avoid having food or drinks available during the Team‐Cast. That will only serve as a distraction during the event. If it is ok with the home owner, selling EMV is acceptable.
    4. For in‐home viewing, resist the temptation to get up and take care of other issues in the household.
    5. For in home locations, without a table at the entrance, it is more difficult to collect payment from attendees. If space allows, set up a small table and collect money that way. If space doesn’t allow, set up a designated spot in your home for attendees to learn that is the place to pay and collect their weekly receipt.
  5. After the event is finished this is also a great time to take a few minutes to give the specific vision for your team.


  1. The preferred minimum internet download speed is 1.44 Mbps (megabits per second). The recommended download speed is 2 Mbps or higher.
    1. Prior to your event, we encourage you to run an internet speed test at
    2. A hard wired internet connection is recommended over a wireless connection
  2. If your projector screen is 6 feet in width:
    1. In a 100% light controlled room ‐ 1000 lumens should be sufficient
    2. In a room with some ambient light, but no direct lighting on the space you plan to project the image ‐ 1000 lumens should be sufficient
    3. In a room with the lights on, but no light directly over the area where you will project the image ‐ 1000 to 1200 lumens should be sufficient
    4. In a room with bright ambient light ‐ 1400 to 1500 lumens should be sufficient
    5. I don’t know how bright the room will be, but I do know that my image size won’t surpass six (6) feet ‐ 1500 lumens to ensure that you will overcome all lighting conditions should be sufficient
  3. If your projector screen is between (6) and eight (8) feet in width:
    1. In a 100% light controlled room ‐ 1000 to 1200 lumens should be sufficient
    2. In a room with some ambient light, but no direct lighting on the space you plan to project the image ‐ 1200 to 1400 lumens should be sufficient
    3. In a room with the lights on, but no light directly over the area where you will project the image ‐ 1300 to 1500 lumens should be sufficient
    4. In a room with bright ambient light ‐ 1500 to 1800 lumens should be sufficient
    5. I don’t know how bright the room will be, but I do know that my image size won’t surpass eight (8) feet ‐ 1800 lumens to ensure that you will overcome all lighting conditions should be sufficient
  4. If your projector screen is over eight (8) feet wide but less than ten (10) feet wide:
    1. In a 100% light controlled room ‐ 1500 lumens should be sufficient
    2. In a room with some ambient light, but no direct lighting on the space you plan to project the image ‐ 1500 to 1800 lumens should be sufficient
    3. In a room with the lights on, but no light directly over the area where you will project the image ‐ 2000 lumens should be sufficient
    4. In a room with bright ambient light ‐ 2000 to 2500 lumens should be sufficient
    5. I don’t know how bright the room will be but I do know that my image size won’t surpass ten (10) feet. ‐ 2500 lumens to ensure that you will overcome all lighting conditions should be sufficient
  5. I’m creating an image over ten (10) feet wide but less than fourteen (14) feet wide:
    1. In a 100% light controlled room ‐ 2000 lumens should be sufficient
    2. In a room with some ambient light, but no direct lighting on the space you plan to project the image ‐ 2000 to 2300 lumens should be sufficient
    3. In a room with the lights on, but no light directly over the area where you will project the image ‐ 2300 to 2700 lumens should be sufficient
    4. In a room with bright ambient light ‐ 2700 to 3200 lumens should be sufficient
    5. I don’t know how bright the room will be, but I do know that my image size won’t surpass fourteen (14) feet ‐ 3200 lumens to ensure that you will overcome all lighting conditions should be sufficient

When you first watch a Team‐Cast, you will need to be the connector from your location to the live event. This means, take the initiative in clapping and showing your enthusiasm verbally. Experience has shown that at first the crowd can be very quiet just taking in the event. Once you can get the crowd to connect with the event, your location will come alive. Spontaneous clapping and enthusiasm will erupt and your location will turn from being a group of viewers to an actual seminar location.

The most important piece of a Team‐Cast is the ability of the leader to connect the audience. This happens in many ways. Knowing one of the biggest benefits of a Team‐Cast is the opportunity to be around your own team, this gives you the advantage to connect with new distributors and guests before, during the break and after the seminar. This is a great time to be sure you are introducing key people to the newest members of the team. This allows team members to start building connections to the community quickly. It also is important for the leader to connect the tool promotion to the tools. Being able to recommend specific tools and pointing out specific tools the speakers have referenced in their talks is a huge advantage of the Team‐Cast system. You also have to connect the Team‐Cast vision to your audience. Your event might be really small with only 5 people or you may have 50 people, but the most important piece is to promote that this IS how we are going to go to a million people! Your location is part of a world‐wide seminar system and when you can cast that vision for your group it shows how your group is part of the overall huge vision of the TEAM.

Goodness gracious! You know an engineer wrote this document judging from the extremely technical discussion of lumens and projector specifications. What is TEAM going to start selling next? Branded-projectors and light bulbs?

TEAM and Ex-TEAM members. What are you thoughts on TEAM-Cast? Is this something that you heard about before leaving? Did you ever participate in one? Did you fork over your $10 for the privilege of watching a web cast from someone’s house? Leave your comments below!

73 Comments leave one →
  1. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:57 am

    You are on Fire!
    I can’t NOT stop laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!!
    What master illusionist they have become!!
    This must be real awkward
    and cheezy when you have in your mini-seminar/open meeting, SOMEONE’S HOUSE, who have to clap randomly and verbally WHOOO in a room with only 5 people, Lmao!!!
    How desperate they have become, their numbers must be flying backwards to have to charge $10 to go to someone’s house and use them for their “Team-Cast!”This is double the cost of what the opens are, but their argument will be we are saving people money, Really???
    I on a serious note would love to hear what the FTC has say about this, I don’t know but is it illegal to charge someone in their house like this???
    Does any legal mind know this answer???
    Every house meeting or tasting was always free!
    Yes it may save the new guy but the “leader” looks like they may have added more expenses to them by now having to buy a projector, and they are not cheap and they still have to do the traveling, collecting of money! You have got to be kidding me!!!!!!
    Anyone remember the $400 Artistry machine all the Women Leaders were expected to buy, and still NO sales!!
    This is so typical of their”instructions” CONTROL EVERYTHING IN THE ENVIROMENT, yes I know their bogus answer this is what makes it a success, but there in reality is no success, 99% lose money~Cult like tatics!
    This is the most hiliarious thing I have seen on your site yet!
    This is such an illusion to pretend it is growing and they won’t know the real numbers are flying backwards, people and leaders have already and continue to leave in droves!
    I am beginning to think Amthrax, you have joined the L.I.F.E. TEAM, just kidding!
    So I believe their may be merit in saving newbie, but within a week they are going to expect newbie to be a “leader” and do this for his team!!
    And you gotta love the instructions of setting up their MONEY CHANGING TABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Holy Crap, this is going to drawn a whole bunch of comments!
    Amthrax, stikes again!!!
    I know Orrin, he is pacing like you wouldn’t believe, Lmao!!!!!!!!
    This one is for Will:BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!!

  2. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 8:03 am

    Who has to pay the $10 and who GETS THE MONEY?

  3. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 8:07 am

    That is hiliarious, and OMgosh, I have to say I have always thought the Jim & Tammy Faye!!!!

  4. Dorothy permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:13 am

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  5. MichMan permalink
    March 23, 2011 8:32 am

    Wow. Shouldn’t a webinar be free to hook up to?

    Kind of like charging people the $.44 price of a first class stamp to receive a TEAM email.

  6. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 8:39 am

    Oh and they say the L.I.F.E. TEAM TOOL SYSTEM IS NOT THE BUISNESS,to try and save their arssess from???…RIGHT, I would say it is undenible with this document!

    It’s obvious isn’t it, the only time they mention the product MV is:
    “If it is ok with the home owner, selling EMV is acceptable.”


  7. switch permalink
    March 23, 2011 8:53 am

    Does the person hosting the “Life-cast” at least get a discount?

  8. March 23, 2011 10:30 am

    This business and the tactics of the team pc members keeps getting funnier by the day.

    Who would pay $10 to watch a video on a computer screen from someone else’s home? Most organizations give away webinars for FREE.

    I don’t think this is illegal, but it just shows the mind control that team has over its distributors.

    “These meetings will take us to a million people and you won’t be able to grow your business without them!!” They will hype it up and everyone will blindly follow. I will admit, Orrin and Chris do have a nice CASH COW with their team life scam.

  9. One time Fly that sat at the Team Conference Table permalink
    March 23, 2011 11:36 am

    What’s the over/under of “webinars” that will be shown before some genius puts up cutouts of “Guru” (I just threw up in my mouth) OW and “mini-Guru” CB in the back ground..and what’s the over/under of the number of “fired ups” one would hear?

  10. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    March 23, 2011 1:19 pm

    The insanity keeps getting more intense. How do you justify the 10 dollar fee to the prospect when he asks WTF? I would. If its a decent sized meeting thats a lot of cash! What a pile of shit this fiasco has turned into. This thing has SCAM written all over it to anyone with half a brain! Its a damn good thing I already quit cuz this would put me over the edge. These yahoos are fu%$*ng nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    March 23, 2011 1:20 pm

    Hey Orrin, you suck.

  12. March 23, 2011 2:30 pm

    Well, I would think that prospects don’t have to pay, but you never know! What is the policy for prospects at weekly meetings? Pay or free?

  13. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 2:43 pm

    LOL! I Quit
    Aren’t you glad we QUIT!

    The opens were only free for first time quests, after that they had to pay even if they didn’t get started. All others except the speaker for that night had to pay, that is why I am curious.

  14. March 23, 2011 2:45 pm

    Prospects are free….for the first time only.

  15. March 23, 2011 2:50 pm

    This is pure greed, anything to make a buck. That’s really unfair…house plans were free when I was in TEAM. A paid webinar. Even Monavie don’t charge for no freaking webcast. Sheesh.

    Sorry, I’m rambling…I’m just getting more and more depressed each time I read about some new stunt that woodward & co are pulling. Can’t wait til the gov’t catches up with the buggers 😦

  16. TOD permalink
    March 23, 2011 2:57 pm

    Charging $10 for a non-live event? Who is running Team now? The government?

    And what exactly is a lumen? I am glad I got out, I am too stupid to run a meeting anyway?

  17. I Quit (and glad I did) #2 permalink
    March 23, 2011 5:35 pm

    Every day I come to this site and I am amazed at what I am reading. It is like I am in a bad dream and can’t wake up. I feel so stupid to have believed in this business and more so in trusting Orrin and the rest of the scam artists. It does hurt, because we were close to the Woodwards and the Guzzardos and thought they were our friends. We shared a lot with them that came straight from the heart. The behavior of these so called leaders makes me ill and sorry that we ever exposed anyone to this “business”.

    I have comfort in knowing that all people willingly working with the Woodwards in scamming people will have to stand before their maker some day and answer for their actions.

    I thank the Lord daily for directing us down the road of leaving this scamming opportunity!

    March 23, 2011 6:14 pm

    NO WAY! Seriously??? CHEEEZEEE! CORNY! Orrin has really lost his mind this time. Never heard of this practice when I was in. Must be relatively new. I could not imagine how uncomfortable it would be to bring a new prospect to something like that. Good way to get punched in the nose! You have done it again Amthrax. On a roll I must say! Going to 1 million? Really? I bet we could come up with one million reasons why anyone looking at this biz should not sign up!

  19. TOD permalink
    March 23, 2011 6:57 pm

    This idea is so bad that it makes “6 This” look brilliant.

  20. TOD permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:00 pm

    I was so happy with my last comment that I erupted in spontaneous clapping and enthusiasm. It really does work!

  21. TOD permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:09 pm

    So I re-read this post. Does anyone know if they are actually doing this or are they considering doing this. (Or are you making this up, Amthrax?)

  22. March 23, 2011 7:13 pm


    I hate to do this to you TOD, but you need to elaborate now on “6 This” for Amthrax and the rest of our friends who are not familiar with this brilliant gem of a promotion.

  23. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:29 pm

    Thanks for the histerical break out loud, belly laugh!
    “Break out?” hmm….. remember the platinum seminar that just reminded me. How Orrin & Co. planned specific meetings so that the Platinum’s that were in his group wouldn’t attend any of the Q meetings so they would attend his guru meetings, during the 3 day stay! It was a joke to the TEAM because they did not want anyone learning HOW TO SELL THE PRODUCT & GET ED. or get distracted from the way the TEAM wanted to teach! Holy Moly I forgot all about this, way back when; they were always trying to control everything and again focus on TOOL SALES! What is hiliarious is all the people wanted to cross-line! LOL
    Geez TOD your memory is awesome, give it up about the 6 this!!!!!!!!!!

  24. TOD permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:29 pm

    I can’t bring myself to explain it. Other than Team going to MV, it was the most idiotic thing the Team ever did. And about as painful as a swift kick in the junk.

  25. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:34 pm

    Men’s Leadership another $10 at your UPLINES HOME, you have got to be sheeting me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!NO FIGGIN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What’s next??????????

  26. TOD permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:34 pm

    Cannot talk about “6 This”. I would rather be locked in a room and listen to non-stop Guzzardo CD’s than talk about that regrettable “strategy”.

  27. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:39 pm

    Check point
    I already started on a list!!!!!!!!!! LOL
    Only I was going to do the “67 REASONS” but I bet we could come up with a million easy!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:40 pm

    Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I can’t stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  29. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 7:42 pm

    I Quit & webelieved

  30. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 8:55 pm

    Maybe this world wide seminar, oh yea we are exploding and I don’t mean by just a small percentage, IT IS EXPLODING? Huh?
    Principle # 5; Controlling the “MOOD” even WOW, I am sure every Cult expert would have a hay day with this one!
    I really couldn’t be more grateful that we are all FREE!!!
    And to think all the zombies, think this is just business as usual and a great idea! It really is disturbing!

  31. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 10:40 pm

    Isn’t it amazing how they used to say the system would raise people’s self-esteem, when in reality their constant berating and cult talk made you loose self-esteem, your own identity and adopt the “cult personality.”
    I like the tax return comment, it is so true!
    When the fog lifts, it is so easy to see!

  32. March 24, 2011 5:44 am

    I think that Amthrax will have a million active commenters on his blog before TEAM Scam gets a million members.

  33. Jackson permalink
    March 24, 2011 10:49 am

    I can believe they are charging for webinars. Email their customer service team a direct question about pricing and see how long it takes for them to get back to you…

  34. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 24, 2011 12:32 pm

    OMg webelieved
    The life-sized cut-outs of the Leadership Guru with the voice recorder! How hilarious!
    You just gave them an idea they will steal and then chant; Cha Ching!

  35. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 24, 2011 5:07 pm

    I am with ya the lumen, can you just see how comical this could be!

  36. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 24, 2011 5:18 pm

    I Quit #2
    It is extemely diffi’cult’ and I really do empathize with all you say.
    The 2 things that just kill me still is the time away from our children and loved ones and those that we brought in. I really am sorry, I hope those that we brought in can forgive us. We have had a chance to say we are sorry to some but there are thousands and thank God they didn’t see it the way I felt and have accepted my appologies. It really is alot of quilt, when you are in and even worse when you get out and can see clearly. I couldn’t for almost a year even talk to those that we were directly working with at the time because it was too painful. I felt so much guilt and saddness. I have come to terms with some of it but I still have so much to accept and work on. Out of all the tragedy I have suffered in my life this has really ripped out my heart just because of those that we brought in and kept in.
    I am so sorry.

  37. March 25, 2011 9:25 am

    Good way to save money for your team… invite them all over to your house, and watch the “Team-cast” together. Upline who cares about their team pays $10 total, and you have a fun filled potluck together. Then when your upline who actually has no business, but is somehow getting paid even though there are no special deals, will call wanting a number count, and you can tell him to walk across stage a phantom go-getter again because there are no numbers at your house to report. Saves money in tickets, transportation, food, and mostly the time from listening to your upline cry over how great he is at the break.

  38. March 25, 2011 9:27 am

    I remember the day I got chewed out for telling a downline to buy the book wherever it was cheapest… “thats not duplicatable”

  39. March 25, 2011 9:29 am

    They would actually need a large group to meet.

  40. March 25, 2011 9:56 am

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  41. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 25, 2011 11:10 am

    I hear you and would love for you to share more.

  42. March 25, 2011 11:30 am

    funny thing TOD, when we joined MV instead of Wal-mart of the internet, i did what we were taught to do, and got info from someone who had fruit on the tree. I actually attended multiple Brig Hart trainings, and then used his “system” to build my business. It worked… 130 folks in less than 6 weeks. Then one day I got a call from “an upline”, wanting to know what I was doing. I told them about Brig hart, and how it was working, and that the TEAM did not have a system yet to do this, so I had to do something. Unfortunately, and quickly thereafter, “6 This” came to be, and I was told to do it the right way. Can you say momentum killer? NO wonder Brig is booming, it worked then, and still is…Any leaders in TEAM hit a new level since the moved into MV, or are they all wearing fake pins?

  43. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 25, 2011 5:17 pm

    Yea Owen answer that one webelieved askes.
    You know, how long do they really think they are going to get away with all their unethical practices, deception and corruption. No wonder they have become compulsive liars. One lie leads to another, to another, to another til eternity. Until the Almighty himself breaks and brings them to their knees, it will be business as usual. And will continue to create a wave of destruction in others lives. It is unconscionable. The great decievers have convinced themselves of their own lies.

  44. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 25, 2011 8:29 pm


  45. March 25, 2011 8:32 pm

    Hey all! Great post Amthrax! I just about choked on my spiced rum and cola when I read about the Team-Cast. What a joke. Things are clearly going down hill in a hurry here. This is an easy cash grab for the upline leaders as there are now no overhead expenses for TEAM. Can you imagine….”Going to a million”…now pass the hat around the room so we can pay for this seminar on the TV screen! LOL. For an group that used to preach that the environment was key to building huge numbers….. how’s that going for ya?! They are grasping at straws here.

  46. March 26, 2011 7:09 pm

    Team probably knows it’s standing on its last leg, hence the desperate move.

  47. Jackson permalink
    April 10, 2011 9:24 pm

    I never got a reply on the costs of the webinar, but I did read the fine print and there are to be no refunds if you have technical difficulties putting on a team cast. I also want to correct myself, the cost of the website is $60 every 4 months…so that breaks down to $15/month….$180/year for access to the webisite, which is where you can buy more tools. I find it funny that you don’t need to login or be affiliated with TEAM to just buy tools from the website. Anybody can go to the site and add items to their cart. This organization is greedy.

  48. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 10, 2011 11:03 pm

    NO refunds for technical difficulties that is a total crock, it isn’t even a live show! Man, these guys get worse by the minute!
    You are Right they are nothing but GREEEEDDDDY, on a sinking ship!

  49. Jackson permalink
    April 11, 2011 4:33 am

    I wish I were kidding…and the webinar costing $10 is twice as much as the cost of an open meeting. For the average teamer and new guests, they would still have to drive to get to the upline’s home, which will add up as gas prices are ridiculous. Keep in mind these are the exact same meetings every week. Weekly opens will now cost $40 a month instead of $20. They will probably start selling projectors to distributors for $5,000 a pop and it will also be essential to building your business. I just want to add that you can have your very own team branded email for $24.99…..thats right, 25 bucks for a fancy email signature.

  50. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 11, 2011 6:55 am

    Team branded email 25 bucks! Lmao! Who pays for email?What?

  51. switch permalink
    April 11, 2011 7:57 am

    great deal….gonna have to cancel my other account I got for free through msn, hotmail, etc…..

    I suppose this is mandatory…..or they HIGHLY recommend it?

  52. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 11, 2011 8:10 am

    Thanks for out loud laugh~Switch! Lmao!

  53. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 11, 2011 8:53 am

    I’m sorry but this is flat out HIGHWAY ROBBERY, these guys are ripping the consumer off!
    $25 for what should be free, email!
    They already have a ‘branded’ EBC/website that you have to pay for, and used to have a FREE Team email (the one that they read people’s private emails from!)
    $240 (mlm punisher) $180 (jackson) either way that is just flat out GREED!
    Now their in the Projector ‘sales’ and how much they rippin people off on that one?!!! And now everyone is stuck w/ their useless WHITE-Boards!
    $10 per webcast, with NO REFUNDS!!!!
    And the thousands and thousands ‘system’ they are going to CON people into with their ‘guilt trips’ on you won’t be successful without their numerous recycled CDs~How the f- do they live with themselves~seriously!

    They should be cutting the costs for all the consumers to ‘build their business’ in this economy, if they really were about ‘CHANGING CULTURE’! They call themselves ‘financial advisors’~OMg!

    The FTC should shut these GREEDY fraudsters DOWN!
    This is Criminal to me!!!!
    They have takin it to a ‘new level’ with ripping the consumer off!!!

  54. Jackson permalink
    April 11, 2011 9:18 am

    The branded email is optional.. The basic email is included in your 4 month subscription

  55. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 11, 2011 9:40 am

    That is the Truth!

  56. aurora permalink
    April 11, 2011 9:25 am

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  57. aurora permalink
    April 11, 2011 9:26 am

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  58. Ellis Willson permalink
    August 19, 2011 9:15 pm

    I read this and had a moment, we were asked to host 2 of these in our home for our friends before we were approached to join team. Used my tv which had a monitor lookup for a computer to it, my tv is a newer lcd 46″ we hooked up the computer and used my wireless connection which is wireless n (fastest available ) I also have upgraded up and down stream speeds. We were actually asked to pay 10 dollars each to attend an event in my home and using my tv and my internet..!!! Wow was I dumb!!!

  59. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 19, 2011 9:34 pm

    Oh My Ellis! That is CRAZY, YOU had to PAY to use your own Computer! How much GRRREEEEEDDDDDIIIEEERRR can they get?

    Seriously there should be a Law Against This~ Who in the Real Market Does this BS? OMg!

  60. Hershall Sweet permalink
    August 28, 2011 3:20 pm

    This site has qualified many of my doubts and fears. I have always remained skeptical but I have remained. My first impression of Team was one where they were obviously promoting tools and meetings. I was invited to a seminar expecting to learn about juice. Juice was barely mentioned but there was plenty about the food we eat, the information we’re fed, the opportunities we may have missed, the relationships we ought to make better. Then the tool table was opened at the break. Yep – there’s the business! The line was unbelievable!
    I know that Team has never offered me the whole truth. I know the tools business and meetings are incredibly lucrative for the Team office. 25 seminars a month at 100-2000 people per event times $25-$35 a ticket. Let’s use the seminar I infrequently attend. It has around 300 people. 300x25x30 That’s $2.7M a year. This doesn’t include the webcasts. Seminar webcasts require a ticket. Men’s/Women’s Leadership webcasts are $10 with a minimum number of attendees. Opens are webcast on tuesday. New people are free. Business owners are $5 with a recommended minimum. The last month of a “major” leadership, the seminar was only available through webcast. That rubbed me the wrong way. Their stated reasoning is that the smaller venues promote the sense of community and limit cross lining opportunities. It allows less time in cars to go to a meeting out of town. I agree with them as a tool. Anyone “in” would be spending the money anyway but, now, they don’t have to add gas, meals and accommodation to their expenses. Of course the host has accounting to do and money is sent to the team office. There’s lots of room for abuses. The leaderships aren’t webcast. This (of course) gives the “big picture” – right? The leaderships are four times a year at 7000-10000 people paying $125 each is around $4.25M a year. The seven PC couples could buy nice suits and keep their rings shiny dividing that much up between them.
    I wanted you guys to have more information. A lot of posts here take a snippet of info and swing for the bleachers. I don’t think it’s possible to hit one out of the park if you’re swinging with a birch branch.
    I’d also like to add to what’s discussed here about the L.I.F.E. business. The PC are launching this as a new MLM style business. You’ve already learned a bit about the products. It’s mainly system style teachings in a subscription for customers and distributors. The point values on this coaching and bonuses promise to be lucrative based on a previous pay plan modified. The Team system will also remain. It will focus on teaching the community building. After all, “it’s communities through which products and services flow.” Mona Vie will also remain as the partner in the fitness category of the 8Fs of L.I.F.E.. The relationship is touted as win-win.
    I’ve refused to talk to anyone about joining me in the L.I.F.E. business until I see how their policies and procedures document compares to the MV policies. TheTeam speakers have often skipped inconvenient parts of the MV P&P. I signed up to be a Mona Vie distributor and subject to their rules including not selling products of other MLMs within time and distance restrictions and getting rid of 70% of product before the next order.
    I know what’s changed in my life since signing up has had a price. But, since I have never been a very good Team member, it hasn’t been too crazy. I have made note of many of the inconsistency in stories from leaders as they relate to the shift from Quixtar to MV. I have plotted out what it would take to get where I want to go and priced it all out not including any profit sharing. The numbers say it could be worth it if I use the MLM positives of serving my group and building depth with Team Approach. Those of you who have shown this plan and seen growth will know that a system does leverage the opportunity for an individual. You’ll understand that a positive culture can develop a strong team. I’ve seen these teams. I believe in their results. But, I don’t know the rest of the costs that you’ve had.
    I haven’t been able to fully trust the Team leaders. The stories have changed a bit. My Turbo 25 and up has been one of the recently disappeared. The absence of the Dickie family is a huge question mark. The use of a few speakers more often has been of concern considering the touted “speakers chosen by merit” policy. There’s one or two couples that haven’t been in the running for Top Gun recently that still seem to be favorites. Some styles of the RT/PC speakers have changed. A little more posture than transferring a feeling. Yes, there have been retirements. There have been rank advancements. I’ve seen growth. But, yes, more emphasis has been on team levels.
    The shift of Team away from juice has been freaking me out. The tool table has always freaked me out (but I’ve loved many books in system that I bought elsewhere). The monthly seminars – even in leadership months – has always seemed greedy. The seminars never really delivered the information I’d hoped for. Ticket holder meetings were mainly rallies. Not knowing the profit sharing plan, director, round table and policy council qualifications has always made me feel like something was being hidden from us. Names from CDs never being at functions like the Cullens, Haugens, Morgans, Hubers, Goetschels, Fooses, Joneses, Libbys, Smiths, Cullens, Freezes, Abrahams etc has left so many questions. I’ve always been held back by holes in the information. I’ve never wanted to pass this on to someone else. Although I still see it as an opportunity – I don’t want to be responsible for getting someone else involved without all the questions answered. My direct upline doesn’t have any more information than I do. The mentor that has been offered to us when the other vanished seems nervous about deviating from the script. “Follow the pattern. Go go getter to power player to turbo to RT to PC. Read the books. Listen to the CDs. Go to everything you qualify for.” Yep – it’s cult like. But the first law of networking also applies. “No one will do anything. Ever!” So Team is not quite a cult. It’s a tool moving machine…. “Stock that trunk!”
    I agree with the theme here that power is a motivator at the top of Team. I know people have to have their heads screwed on and their eyes open. I don’t think that people should dismiss it based on partial information but you absolutely mustn’t get started with only partial information. Don’t they say that in the plan? Systems and a change in thinking are necessary to get from the left side to the right side of the quadrant. Team may not be the the vehicle. Orrin is what he is. I think time will shed light into the shadows and we’ll all have answers. I believe there’s value in the pattern, the approach and the self improvement but I recognize there’s a resonance with the feelings stirred by what’s happened to people here and my intuition. Hard to ignore. Hard to ignore.

  61. August 28, 2011 7:13 pm

    @Hershall – Glad that the site has helped you qualify your gut instincts about TEAM. You’re asking the right questions regarding the emphasis on tools and the departure of many leaders. Be sure to read the rest of the posts on this site about TEAM and Orrin.

  62. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 29, 2011 7:20 am

    Hershall Sweet~

    I second Amthrax comments, and welcome. You make some great critical thinking observations.

    You state: “Names from CDs never being at functions like the Cullens, Haugens, Morgans, Hubers, Goetschels, Fooses, Joneses, Libbys, Smiths, Cullens, Freezes, Abrahams etc has left so many questions. I’ve always been held back by holes in the information. I’ve never wanted to pass this on to someone else. Although I still see it as an opportunity – I don’t want to be responsible for getting someone else involved without all the questions answered.”

    I found your comments very interesting. Do they still continue to use these CD’s by these leaders in their system and if they do they would continue to use leaders that have left and make money off of their talks? I find that disturbing and they are down right decieving people. If those Leaders were allowed to remake those and WOULD tell the Truth of why they left and what they know, I guarantee you, they wouldn’t be selling them!

    How do they explain they are no longer there, with the exception of the “Hubers” or are they not there any more? You have good reason to believe things are being hidden, because they are and if you know these people aren’t at the Major’s, why don’t you ask your upline’s-upline why you never see these people on stages? Any legitimate business who wouldn’t be intentionally deceiving, would tell you the truth, especially knowing without TRUST they will have nothing. Chris Brady did a talk from the book, “The Speed of Trust.” They are a piece of work.

    You also made a comment on it being a cult, I would recommend reading; “Cults In Our Midst” by Margaret Singer w/ Janja Lalich and you could go to Freedom of Mind website and read the BITE model.

    I have no doubts you will figure this out and have regonized the dangers because you are very aware of the many, many things that are signs and red flags. Do not let your guard down or ignore your gut and some point when you get tired of not getting truthful, straight answers to your questions you will make a decision that will protect you and your future.

    Another thing, this site is loaded with thousands of comments, it will save you years of heartache and loss if you continue to read and decide for yourself, whether you see what is being said is what you see happening. I have no doubts you will. It is impossible to get all the information on here in one post.

    One last thing, I believe it would pay you immensely to read the link on here from the FTC article. You stated you don’t want to bring anyone else in, that is a very wise decision and will save you tremendous regrets and pain.

    Good luck and you are very fortunate to see what you are, most are not that aware (read up on cults) and see what you do, until long after the damage is done. I hope you continue to comment.

  63. Hershall permalink
    August 30, 2011 7:17 pm

    Amthrax – I appreciate the welcome and your encouragement. I’ve poked around quite a few of the threads and followed some of the links that have been posted. I still have the impulse for self improvement and still like the concept of MLMs. The leadership of Team mainly says the right stuff. I even think they still believe what they say about leadership and self improvement. I believe they believe they’ve developed a repeatable pattern for building a community. But I have also believed there has always been too much information left out. I have always wondered what was happening in their accounting of numbers when leaders disappeared. I often wondered what they were filtering when you could almost here the click of the filter go on during a talk.
    Speak Your Truth – I got those names from a handful of CDs my sponsor gave me in 2008. I think they were old even then. They were never available for me to buy. I’m not sure about the Hubers now that you point that out. I can’t put faces to their name which is how they got onto my list. My upline gets information from the system although they do go to more functions I don’t expect they can answer the questions you’ve suggested. I can go to my RT but don’t expect to get their time without results. I suppose I could go to my PC. He has a nationally recognized blog with an e-mail address. I’ve played with the idea of getting in touch with some of the missing leaders in order to hear their stories. I know of one place some of them might be on Sunday mornings.
    The hardest part about letting this go is “then what?” While I’ve never hitched my wagon to theirs, I always had the idea that I might jump on when my questions got answers. That leaves me pretty vulnerable but always eyes wide open.

  64. August 30, 2011 9:21 pm

    @Hershall – Self-improvement is a great thing. The problem in TEAM is that its members replace the original goal of making money with the goal self-improvement. TEAM is not required for self-improvement, although the TEAM leadership seems to argue otherwise.

    Then what, you ask? Educate yourself. Learn a trade, turn a hobby into a business. Look around your metro area and see what is being under-served; find a need and fill it. If your goal is to maximize your dollar, there are so many financial blogs out there about saving money. Start at Lazy Man’s site ( and check out his blogroll links.

    TEAM LIFE talks big about building leaders. That’s great and all, but every leader needs a lot of followers (or employees in a traditional business) to fulfill his or her plans. To me, TEAM LIFE is better at making followers than it is at making leaders. There’s proof too. Look at the number of people in TEAM who are job optional. As you’ve pointed out in your other comment, there aren’t that many.

  65. Hershall permalink
    August 31, 2011 4:31 pm

    Amthrax – It could take weeks of reading here to get through everything. I’m impressed that you and the frequent contributors keep up on it all and get the new people involved. Thanks for this latest answer to me.
    Everyone – The Kroc’s legacy includes getting kids hooked on bad nutrition, mounds of garbage in municipal dumps etc.. The Walton legacy includes empty downtowns, cheap disposable goods bought on credit by those who shouldn’t be out shopping on tuesday night etc.. There’s some bad in every success story. What really gets under my skin with the Team and so many current business practices is the lack of transparency and disregard for every stakeholder. There’s no taking responsibility and no apparent remorse. With Team, the playing with people’s hopes and aspirations is the least human thing a person can do.

  66. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 31, 2011 5:41 pm

    Hershall Sweet~

    I had addressed and asked you some questtions, is there a reason, why you haven’t answered them? Possible oversight, could you answer them?

  67. Hershall permalink
    September 1, 2011 6:15 am

    Speak Your Truth – I thought I had answered about Cds and my not being certain about the Hubers and asking my up line about missing faces. Was there another Post I had missed?

  68. Speak Your Truth permalink
    September 1, 2011 7:06 am

    Hershall Sweet~ Did I miss where you specifically answered that? If I have, I apologize but could you let me know what post that is in? thanks.

  69. not signed up yet permalink
    September 1, 2011 12:03 pm

    Whoa! I can say I have seen a clear violation of the rules at EVERY webcast I have been to.

    Dress professionally….typically the only ones who were dressed well were the ones coming home from their jobs where they were trading time for money at their loser jobs. Saw a lot of jeans, t-shirts and women in flip flops at webcasts.

    No food or drink except for EMV….yeah right. I have seen hosts have tea, coffee, soft drinks, cheese, chips, cookies, soylent green….

    Don’t take your shoes off during the presentation…every woman at the webcasts I have been to have taken their shoes off at the webcasts, I have even seen some women at a Tuesday night open take off their heels as they sit through the meeting.

    So who can I report these obvious transgressions too? surely there will be consequences for these TEAMers who broke the rules. I want justice, I want Thunderdome!

    Who is in charge of TEAM secret police because I have about 30 names I need to report.

  70. Hershall permalink
    September 1, 2011 2:54 pm

    Speak Your Truth – The answers to the questions I am thinking about may not have been satisfactory but they were posted in this thread august 30 7:17 along with my thanks for Amthrax’s welcome.

  71. Speak Your Truth permalink
    September 1, 2011 3:18 pm

    Thank You Hershall, that was a complete oversight on my part. 🙂


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