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New TEAM L.I.F.E Book

April 15, 2011

Some comments have popped up about a new book from Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady in the post on how distributors earn income from the other side of the TEAM plan.

Called L.I.F.E, or Living Intentionally For Excellence, the book is a compilation of tweets and blog posts that the two have written over the years. The subject matter focuses on the 8 F’s, listed below in no particular order:

  • Fitness
  • Friends
  • Faith
  • Fun
  • Finances
  • Following
  • Family
  • Freedom

They are calling the book their greatest ever:

New York Times best selling authors Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady have done it again and this is their greatest work ever!! After having built a legacy in leadership, business and touching the lives of millions, they are more driven than ever to reach out and make a difference. Their latest book titled LIFE – Living Intentionally For Excellence is hot off the presses! Every page is ALIVE and stirring with over three decades of Chris and Orrin’s combined adventures, experiences and invaluable lessons learned. The book dives into their compilation of the “Eight F’s” of LIFE: Faith, Family, Friendship, Freedom, Finances, Fitness, Following and Fun. Share their journey of amazing wisdom, A-HA! Moments, goose bumps, sleepness nights, adrenaline rushes, breaking points, human impact, growth and more! This book is a 5 Star masterpiece that embraces all of LIFE’s spokes! It’s timeless in it’s messages, clever in it’s delivery, superior in it’s quality, super fun for the eyes and MEGA useful. You won’t “read” this book, you’ll live it! Everything (Really, EVERYTHING) is in here.

Wait a second, I’m confused. Why does Orrin talk about going to a million as if he and TEAM haven’t achieved it. It says right there in the book description that they’ve touched a million lives already. Shouldn’t he just call it a day and retire?

For the history nuts in the audience, TEAM used to be called the Team of Destiny. The organization changed its name to TEAM many years ago, probably because Team of Destiny (TOD) was not rating very highly or favorably on Google search. Is the change to LIFE another attempt to distance itself from the negative connotations that TEAM1 is now conjuring up? Where are the links to MonaVie, the “jungle juice” MLM product that TEAM is selling? Even crossline training organization R3Global knows that it needs to promote not only itself but the product too. Is TEAM moving away from MonaVie like they moved away from Amway?

Orrin Woodward loves to talk about community and team-building. A common quote used in sports is that there is no “I” in the word “team.” That may be the case, but there is certain an “I” in “LIFE.” And, if you take Orrin’s F-words out, all you get is LIE. For those people who have been frequent participants on this website, they would agree that LIE is a more apt description of Orrin Woodard, Chris Brady, and TEAM than LIFE.

Finally, the book is selling for $23.95. My recommendation is to wait2 until it goes onto eBay in a few months for pennies on the dollar. You’ll save money and get a great deal on the price exercising a time-honored MLM tradition of delayed gratification.

1 I wonder if they are going to change the domain name from to something that includes the word “life.” is already taken by someone based in Hungary, so that’s off-the-table for the moment.

2 I must comment on the quote, “It’s timeless in it’s messages.” No, I won’t comment on the grammatical mistake but on the timeless part. Launching a Leadership Revolution, their first book, is not in its seventeenth edition? I wonder how many revised editions there will be of this LIFE book

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  1. April 15, 2011 9:53 am

    ” After having built a legacy in leadership, business and touching the lives of millions, they are more driven than ever to reach out and make a difference.”

    Touching the lives of millions? But in what way? Terrorism and war has touched the lives of millions as well.

  2. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 15, 2011 10:32 am

    Amthax~Great post! They might even send you some ‘residual’ for promoting it! Good advice on the delayed gratification!LOL

    A letter of WARNING though, make sure you get a contract!
    Never take their word for anything! They have proven over n over again ‘their word is (their) worth-less’!
    They never keep their PROMISES!
    They ‘change the deal’ worse than ‘Corporate America’ (as they gossip and slander everyone’s bosses and Corp. about).

    Their promotion; “You won’t “read” this book, you’ll live it! Everything (Really, EVERYTHING) is in here.”

    Maybe~ “Really EVERYTHING”~ they took the truth and comments from your site! I could say from experience, that the content in this book is going to make them look like ‘hero’s’ and be so slanted and biased and will show ‘all the us vs them.’ It will be the cover-up of all cover-ups! Then they’ll call it all good with the ‘life lessons!’

    Since all those speaking on your blog, they would have to come out with a new ‘handling objections’ to spin it that the ‘losers & quitters’ just didn’t win because we quit.. well I hope they added your web address to the index, to get the real truth about what it means to QUIT!

    If an alcoholic QUITS drinking, an abused child tells on the abuser (QUITS be abused), if a thieve QUITS stealing, if a liar, QUITS lying, if a smoker QUITS smoking, if a cheater QUITS cheating, if a criminal admits, repents, and makes his crime right and QUITS, If a person finds out their is fraud, corruption, lies, deceitfulness, greedy, damaging others lives with undue influence and they QUIT…THEY ARE WINNERS!

    If we were a ‘fly on the wall;’ I would wager them poor ‘leaders’ are getting the crap beat out of them mentally about the ‘dangers’ of reading your blog!
    The PRICE $23.95~ ripoff!

  3. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 15, 2011 10:41 am

    You are right~Terrorism & war is what it feels like we went through!

  4. Jackson permalink
    April 15, 2011 10:41 am

    I imagine most of the book is recycled from LLR, Commerce Through Community and CD packs… Interesting that this is the most expensive BOM I’ve seen to date and their is no discount for being a TEAM member!!!

  5. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    April 15, 2011 11:14 am

    Just another money generator.
    When I was still in I was really pissed about the tidbits and treasures thing. Why do I want to pay again for info I already have in one media form or another?
    This new book is the same platform.
    Lies and crap.

  6. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 15, 2011 11:16 am

    Without a doubt, it will be all the stories everyone has already heard with the spin of a few other things.
    Their LLR~
    hardcover was $23.99
    soft cover $15.95
    The Team Builders Textbook (that they apparently are using now)
    Scrawny little~ Leading the Consumer Rebellion~$11.95
    But they have a whole lot less people to force it on now, they would probably be lucky to have even a quarter of what they had when they forced the LLR down.

  7. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 15, 2011 11:18 am

    Yea the Tidbits & Treasures, don’t know what over inflated cost on that is.

  8. dmricha permalink
    April 15, 2011 12:45 pm

    I’d love for them to come out with a book about entrepreneurship. Something teaching people how to build real B-type business and mentions issues like taxes, marketing, product development, and hiring. Things that people with legitimate businesses have to face. They won’t do that though because if people actually thought that they could build businesses outside of TEAM nobody would stick around.

    To think, they are encouraging people to put their all into building an MLM and become “job free” yet they don’t teach real business. It pisses me off knowing that thousands put their hopes, dreams, and even their marriages in the hands of these people. In return all they get is a whole lot of disappointment and another book by Orrin and Chris.

  9. April 15, 2011 1:25 pm

    Dear dmricha,

    Try this college class book, it covers all the aspects an beginning entrepreneur needs to know before starting a business to even have a chance to succeed.

    Entrepreneurship – Successfully Launching New Ventures
    by Bruce R. Barringer and R. Duane Ireland, 2nd Edition, 2008
    ISBN 13 digit: 9780132240574
    ISBN 10 digit: 0132240572

  10. April 15, 2011 1:34 pm

    No one needs the rubbish these crooks are trying to sell.

  11. dmricha permalink
    April 15, 2011 5:00 pm

    Thanks Me! I’ll check it out.

  12. Dorothy permalink
    April 15, 2011 4:42 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  13. Vogel permalink
    April 16, 2011 6:26 pm

    Holy crap! Are these con artists kidding? The book should have been titled “I’ll Do Anything for Money”. A pic of OW with his pockets turned inside out and a beggar’s bowl in his hand would have been appropriate. What a F-ing wanker. I’ll wait a month or two until this is selling for 50 cents a copy and then use it for lighting kindling in the winter.

    How do these idiots get away with pontificating like this?

  14. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 16, 2011 9:37 pm


  15. April 16, 2011 11:42 pm

    Sheesh, we must respect Pope Orrin I …..

  16. April 16, 2011 11:48 pm

    To be honest, I wasn’t surprised at this recent post. They have rebranded their website to LIFE, and so they come up with a book called LIFE. But 24 bucks? Meh. That’s high. I really wouldn’t even read this book even if it were handed to me for free. They’ll probably spin out a couple of more books as well.

    Anyway, let’s hope Judgment Day comes soon for them…

  17. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 17, 2011 4:40 pm

    Looks Like they tried to make the Cover of their book, look like the cover of LIFE magazine. That was the first thought, when I saw the cover.
    I wonder if this was their ‘specific intent’ and played into the decision of the design?
    Then people might think, at first glance they are affliated and they could steal the credibility and lean on the reputation.
    Wouldn’t suprise me a bit, they plagarize everything and God knows they need a miracle in the ‘reputation’ department!!!

  18. April 17, 2011 5:52 pm

    Time Life versus Team Life. I wonder if there might not be a copyright/trademark issue brewing in the future.

  19. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 17, 2011 6:43 pm

    I wonder~ I don’t know how that all works but it sure looks alot alike, they used the identical colors.

  20. Burned Out With MV permalink
    April 18, 2011 3:57 am

    Looks like something else the downline will be rushing to own and promote it’s wonders, agree give it a few months and they will be all over E-bay and Amazon for pennies on the dollar.

  21. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    April 18, 2011 5:47 pm

    Another piece of ass wipe thats mostly full of quotes and stats and preaching. How many trees died for these damn books? Probably too damn many!!!

  22. Reality Check permalink
    April 18, 2011 6:18 pm

    What a joke. “reached millions?” They’re pathological hypers.

  23. switch permalink
    April 18, 2011 7:15 pm

    “touching the lives of millions”……

    imagine that….going to a million within a matter of days. I could’ve sworn I just read that the numbers were dwindling somewhere….maybe like their own website?

    Something just doesn’t add up…..oh, wait….more confusion to throw into the mix.

  24. TOD permalink
    April 19, 2011 6:57 am

    This is the greatest book ever… or at least until the next book comes out. FIRED UP!!!

    Just like XS was the greatest until MV. MV is the greatest until…

  25. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    April 19, 2011 6:58 am

    If you read the quote as it’s written it is 100% true. “touching the lives of millions”
    You’ll notice it doesn’t say “in a positive way”. I have no doubts that Woody and Brad have done exactly what is stated. But I also know that it surely hasn’t been in a good way for all, if any…
    Anyone who reads over this entire site MUST walk away with doubt about Team. There are simply too many discrepancies revealed about what they say vs. what they do.
    Think Teamers, think.

  26. TOD permalink
    April 19, 2011 9:49 am

    Woody and Bradward. Hilarious.

  27. April 19, 2011 10:34 am

    Upon further review, it does look like this book could be a copyright infringement.

  28. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 20, 2011 12:18 pm

    I remember Orrin talking about the book Dianetics, after he read it.

    He clearly was excited about the content but didn’t promote it like he would normally, seems odd now but everyone would have been reading it had it been promoted with the usual force; ‘like leaders must read.’ I never thought too much of it at the time because I never read the book and thought it was just another book the ‘genuis’ read?.. well you know.

    Dianetics~L. Ron Hubbard/Scientology

    It depends on what side you listen to, but just like the Team those who speak out after the experience and what is protrayed by Orrin/Team and Hubbard/Scientology/~”Defenders”; are 2 very opposite stories with extremely conflicting information.

    So, I found some interesting Practices & Beliefs that must come from the ‘play book’ from a web page on Scientology here:
    Thought I would share some of these with you.

    Fair Game: May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.~ L. Ron Hubbard

    Lying: The only way you can Control people is to lie to them.~
    L. Ron Hubbard

    Brainwashing: We can brainwash faster than the Russians (20 secs to total amnesia against 3 years to slightly confused loyalty). ~L. Ron Hubbard

    Critics: Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist. Because they do.~ L. Ron Hubbard

    Silencing Critics: People who attack Scientology are criminals.~
    L. Ron Hubbard

    Suppressive Person: { Suppressive Persons} may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without discipline of the Scientologist. May be ticked, sued, or lied to or destroyed.~
    L. Ron Hubbard

    Personality Test: Discover how “ruined” you are, and how Scientology can “help” you with that…~L. Ron Hubbard

    Well, hmm… these ‘practices & beliefs’ something seems eerily familiar, seems they come from the same ‘play book?’ You Decide.

    Do all the twisted people & their twisted practices and beliefs on earth, come from the same gene pool?

  29. Major Dave Stoner permalink
    April 21, 2011 6:58 pm

    SYT, that what you wrote was friggin’ creepy but all to true.

  30. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 27, 2011 3:01 pm

    Orrin states the LIFE book is, the top 580 (MOSTLY ORIGINAL) quotes from their twitter accounts, adding in our best articles, from our award winning blogs & mixing it with world class photography, what results, is an instant masterpiece.

    So it is a overpriced book of stolen quotes, blog posts and their scrapbook of events, how laughable!
    So all I have to do is get my scrapbook copied, copy articles from Amthrax site, steal quite a few quotes and charge 24 bucks? Histerical! Then I can claim it is going to change the lives of ‘millions!’

    Who again would pay for someone else’s scrapbook?
    Oh that’s right, it wouldn’t be by choice, they have the ‘Books’ of the Month program they can force it down and get $23.95 a pop and then claim the status of a ‘best seller’!

    Let’s see them sell all their books to the general public (the legitimate way) and see if ANY of them would be on the NYT best sellers list~what a farce!

    The self promotion is hype and discusting and the ”award winning blogs ?” Who nominatied that one, lol? 3 people commented~WOW-award winning….RIIIGHT!

    Instant Masterpiece?? This guy is so full of himself it makes me want to throw up! There should be a law against so much bragging!!

  31. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 27, 2011 9:16 pm

    I know right.. I could shared examples of everyone of these things very CREEPY!

  32. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    April 28, 2011 8:24 am

    I’m sure when you typed “scrapbook” it was a typo. You must mean crapbook.

  33. Crystal permalink
    May 6, 2011 12:58 am

    UPDATE: New LIFE Business:

    Soft Launch in August 2011
    Official Launch n Oct 2011

    This NEW LIFE Business is a NEW MLM – Completely separate from Monavie. It will be competing against Monavie which makes me wonder – how well is Monavie DOING in North America?? And is Dallion Larson alright with Team starting a NEW MLM OR maybe Dallion is financing this NEW MLM?? OR maybe Dallion doesnt know about this NEW MLM??. On the TEAM website a NEW LOS will be created which will be a separate business from the existing TEAM opportunity to earn profit sharing with Monavie. This NEW business will be 100% selling Tools focused around the 8 F’s and will sell these tools to existing Team members, new Team members which are recruited into the MLM and here’s the kicker – to basic customers who want to improve their lifes in any one of the 8 F areas. This is how TEAM plans on growing to 1 million people. This NEW LIFE Business will simply be an MLM which sells motivational material to support your LIFE.

  34. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    May 6, 2011 8:24 am

    Like I just said… crap.

  35. Rich permalink
    May 24, 2011 6:24 am

    We do not hide what we stand for on team! That being freedom and understanding the true meaning of the word!
    My I ask what the authors of this blog stand for? What have you done to contribute to your fellow man?

    Nice commercials!

  36. May 24, 2011 5:53 pm

    @Rich – This blog stands for the financial injustice being served by the hands of unscrupulous MLM and MLM training organizations such as MonaVie and TEAM. You may beg to differ, and that is your right. I offer this blog as a place to discuss and debate, something that your leader does not provide on his own blog.

  37. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 24, 2011 6:21 pm

    @ Rich~
    Are you insinuating others hide what they stand for?
    Care to explain what you mean by the” true meaning of the word” and your statement of “nice commericals?”

  38. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    May 25, 2011 6:16 am

    And yet more Team crap.

  39. switch permalink
    May 25, 2011 10:56 am

    Richy-Rich says-
    “We do not hide what we stand for on team!”

    Just for starters, can you tell me what it “stands for” on team when my upline drove by real slow in his new mercedez shortly after I left?

    ….or was I just hallucinating when I saw the plates?

  40. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 25, 2011 12:40 pm

    You may think the Team doesn’t hide what they stand for but you are wrong, there many things they hide! That is why we are here to expose the truth about the ‘hidden’ information they fail (intentionally to tell others about).
    What would be the reason for ‘not talking about where the real money is made; the system?

    Do You know those who make it into profit-sharing (their illegal pyramid scheme?) that are RT or above make double if not triple what is made from the ‘juice company’ compensation plan? Do you even know if the Team pays those in profit-sharing making all that money from the books, cds, seminars, Tues, ets. or did they not tell you and keep that hidden from you??
    That is what we were trained to do and did and would bet it is still that way!
    So, Rich that is just one example, of the ‘hidden’ info, there are many, many things they hide!!!!!
    What about the 99% failure rate; those who will never make a profit, huh?
    Do you tell your prospects this or do you keep that hidden, too?
    Is this what you stand for making a profit?
    Is it not illegal, to have no end users, and money just being passed (changing hands) from the bottom up to the top? Isn’t this what Orrin sued Quixtar/Amway for? Being a pyramid, not viable, no customers, after 15 years of telling everyone else it was the Best Business Bar None? Did you know this or was this hidden from you?
    I would think real hard again about the ‘hidden’ info they don’t share with people and agenda.
    Rich you seriously cannot fool us! Think.

  41. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 25, 2011 12:43 pm

    Did they tell you WHY all the big leaders left or did they hide that from you and others too? Best to do your research and find out the facts of what others know ARE HIDDEN, otherwise it just makes you look foolish!

  42. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    May 25, 2011 12:55 pm

    Don’t expect any answers guys… just another drive-by yahoo pummeled into silence with the truth. ouch.

  43. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 25, 2011 12:58 pm

    One last thing Rich, Do you think just because people aren’t on the Team, they don’t do things for their fellow man? That’s absurd! I also know that is what you are convinced to repeat and is a typical response, it would be good for you to read up on Steve Hassan’s Freedom of mind website and books, Amthrax has the links on the left. A mind is a terrible thing to waste! I believe you could get some real insight.
    Try reading Merchants of Deception, if you really want to know what ‘the system’ stands for, that book will shock you, if that is possible. It is the very same system you promote, came from the same creator Dexter Yager in Amway, where “Orrin’s system” not yours because you don’t own it he does. Might want to study your history, educate yourself here of what you are really a part of before you question others, and you blast your ‘nice commercials’.
    Again it just makes you look like you are thinking for yourself (just mocking the leaders) and foolish to us.
    Rich do you know the history, or is that hidden too?

  44. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 25, 2011 1:00 pm

    Aren’t thinking for yourself, Rich.

  45. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 25, 2011 1:02 pm

    IQ~ Yes not a one wants to address the Real issues! They must cover their eyes when reading the post. 🙂

  46. switch permalink
    May 25, 2011 1:47 pm

    I told my “fellow man” the truth…..does that count Richard?

  47. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 25, 2011 4:28 pm

    It does count in the real world, just not in the world of craft illusions!

    When the 99% or more find out the real truth about Team/MV ‘mis-leaders’, how they will LOSE $$ year after year after year and quit, and will be called quitters, losers, and haters, then those who ‘believe’ have to replace all those who quit with new ones who quit, and don’t have an ounce of their own critical thinking left, have let the mis-leaders tell them how much they get paid, when and if they decided whether they keep paying you, what to believe, think, wear, what to listen to and not watch, what to purchase or not, how to act, how much time you ‘should’ spend in ‘your’ business after working a full time job (in almost all cases) to pay for the false hope, who eventually find out you never make a profit, which in turn controls the time you left for your family( nota) and give up every moment of your life ‘building the business’-5-6 days per week, time squandered and many special moments missed from their loved ones and their childrens childhoods gone, when you can celebrate your anniversary, childrens birthdays, what weddings you should miss, and have them lie, steal your teams and profit-sharing and destruct your team!
    That pretty much sums it up our experience, am I missing anything?

    Oh and drive by in their mercede to rub it in your face? There are only 3 diamonds I am aware of, that would have one of those, shame on them!
    Sounds like that would be an example of some Christian teaching and how much they ‘cared about you’-NOT!

    It still blows my mind, they then will say they got in just to become a ‘Better Person’ and not for the $$$ because they aren’t making any! They ignore the fact that all the rest of the 99% (their family & friends)- ‘losers/ who quit’ that they created in their wake that lost millions collectively, because it went right into the PC and others pockets for their families.

    The PC convinces them they aren’t ‘in it for the $$’, either all while bragging about their ‘things’ and $$.
    If that is REALLY the ‘truth’, then why don’t they give all the $$$ and teams (past and future) back to those who they stole it from, and give the rest to charity?
    Why don’t they Stop charging money for Orrin’s ‘system’, Give their overpriced L.I.F.E scrapbook and system away, and spread the I am a ‘better person’ and their so called transparent; ‘true meaning of the word’ for free? Wouldn’t this be putting your money where your mouth is?

    Why don’t they share how much they PAY, themselves and others for the ‘system’ money that is brought in~42 mill. in one year according to the Forbes article. Where is the transparency of who got paid what and how much was in that profit pot??

  48. switch permalink
    May 26, 2011 7:42 am

    We need to sit down and have a beer sometime. The beer is on me! Let the truth be told eh?

    What a LETHAL message ALL of you deliver everytime. It’s soooo great to read!

  49. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 27, 2011 1:24 am

    Just reminisce, celebrate, and strategize over an ice cold one, with some real friends! You know just enjoy the moment, live and laugh a little! Something all of us have the freedom of mind, time, and our ‘anyway’ money to do with now, what WE choose, right! Sounds good!
    I am working on becoming a little less ‘lethal’ for you all, well I’m thinking about it still, anyway.
    I’m not doing a very good job, must need some more Cd’s, Seminars and Opens, Eek..Never again, guess I’ll just stay lethal.. LOL
    Believe it or not I really do love people, just not deceivers and dictators, I’m all about exposing the whole truth? Not into leaving any rocks unturned, I’m sure you’ve noticed. lol

  50. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 27, 2011 1:32 am

    Webelived you can join in for that ice cold one on Switch too, right Switch? LOL
    Just kidding, sorry to put you on the spot like that! LOL

  51. switch permalink
    May 27, 2011 7:04 am

    OH YES! LOL!

    Webelieved is very welcome also. No, you’re not putting me on the spot, silly. 🙂

  52. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    May 27, 2011 7:47 am

    Can we invite the Grand Poobah himself as well?

  53. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 27, 2011 8:51 am

    IQ~ You can invite anyone you would like. We could have a costume party, dress up as zomies and invite Steve Hassan and have a cult exiting party!
    Wow, that would be a l.i.f.e. changing event, one person at a time! LOL

  54. switch permalink
    May 27, 2011 10:25 am

    LMAO…..ok, now we’re getting somewhere.

  55. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 27, 2011 12:49 pm

    Yep, I really need to slow down and ck my typing, meant to spell Zombies, but I am sure you got the picture, LOL

  56. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    May 27, 2011 12:53 pm

    The Grand Poobah’s costume would be that of a business man. That would be good for a laugh! Or two.

  57. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 27, 2011 2:35 pm

    Bahahahah! I was thinking more like the stripped suits!

  58. Rene Paquin permalink
    August 31, 2011 7:36 pm

    Obviously, you don’t have (or do not want to have) a clue about what LIFE is really about. Why don’t you use your spare time to help others as TEAM members have done for/and with me ? Man, you need a LIFE !

  59. One time Fly that sat at the Team Conference Table permalink
    August 31, 2011 9:42 pm


    Welcome to the blog that continues to have Orrin and his followers pulling out their hair…I suggest that you take some time and read some of the posts and information on this blog. You may find some stuff that will challenge your critical thinking. Besides, if you really believe the LIE….I’m sorry…LIfE program will set you free then you know us 95%ers are no threat to TEAM’s grand march to a million…either that or deep down you, like Orrin fear the people that are on this blog sharing the information that Orrin doesn’t want you to know.

  60. Speak Your Truth permalink
    September 1, 2011 7:36 am

    Fly~ Great posts! 🙂

    Rene Paquin~

    One Time Fly has given you the best advice, I will help your ignorance out with one thing though; us not having or wanting to have a clue about what the Lief is really about, that is what almost this entire blog is about. Not only do we know what it is ‘all about’, we know the agenda and the (mis) leaders including Orrin for YEARS.

    So it would pay for you to learn what it really is about for yourself instead of trying to school us. Good luck reading the truth.

  61. September 1, 2011 9:08 am

    I know what LIEF is about.

    It’s about Orrin making money. Maybe a couple of his shyster buddies as well.

    It’s sure as hell not about helping people like you become financially free Rene. In fact, it’s about you developing a dependency on the leadership “product” that Orrin has always highly profited from.

    Just ’cause you don’t wanna believe it doesn’t make it true Rene.

  62. switch permalink
    September 1, 2011 2:15 pm

    ok, Rene…. I’ll give you fair chance to explain your story on LIFE and Team. Fill us in on what they’ve done for you, please.

    It’s only fair to hear your story, so lets hear it.

  63. René Paquin permalink
    September 1, 2011 3:24 pm

    TEAM helped me fix my marriage, my finances and get off of a serious drinking problem, just to mention a few benefits. In addition, the training system has proven beneficial to my academic career and alter.

    TEAM-LIFE is not all about O. Woodward and C. Brady’s personnal incomes. It’s about real life and real people and yes people do make money with the business IF the do what must be done. My coach is a good ex. Don’t know of any other cie that pays so much so fast. There are many other MLM industries around, why focus on TEAM ? One more question: is AMWAY behind AMTHRAX ?

  64. September 1, 2011 3:55 pm

    @Rene –

    The short answer is no. For the long answer, read

  65. switch permalink
    September 1, 2011 7:59 pm

    First off Rene, if you had a serious drinking problem, it’s going to take ALOT more than just team to cut you loose from that. More like rehab. Quit the promotions on your past for your benifit. The fake tears you shed for it is about as fake as they come. Second, team is in NO WAY qualified to help you with marriage on ANY PROFESSIONAL LEVEL…..they may promote the hell out of it but so can anyone including anyone’s friend off the street. That doesn’t mean your marriage is “fixed”. It’s friendly advice. You’re pretending it’s fixed.

    Cut the crap with the guilt trip approach on people about your past and how you spin this in your favor so you, YOURSELF can make a profit. It makes me sick you would promote such bull$hit to your friends and family to earn a buck. Take the cash away and then give us your perspective on how they helped you…..not about the cash, eh?

    And….. I sure hope you know you’re promoting a system that’s currently on it’s third round of being “revamped and redesigned” or shall I say it’s third disguise? Rene, you just told us that your coach is a good example of making money in L.I.F.E……IT HASN’T EVEN OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED YET….. how in the WORLD can he be a good example?

  66. Rene P. permalink
    September 1, 2011 11:29 pm

    Dear reader(s),

    Of course LIFE has not been launched yet. I made a mistake. I think you know very well that I meant TEAM and not LIFE… So let’s not make a fuss about that ”inadvertance”. My point was, and still is, that my coach is making money, so is his coach and his coach’s coach. All of it is done legally. Again, why focuss on TEAM rather than other MLM businesses ? The fact that TEAM has changed and evolved over the years (a normal process that is coextentive with growing industries) does not imply that LIFE will be a disguise… As for the help my wife and I have received, and still are receiving, how can you equate it to ”fake tears” ? What do you know about it ? I know from experience what rehab is. I also know the values (and the $ costs !!) of professional help. My spouse holds postgraduate degrees in clinical psychology by the way and I am a University prof. We are not stupid. We both can recognize scam promotors and manipulators when we see them. It appears to me that you have a personnal issue with TEAM. In short, a gut thing more than a rational argument. Maybe this is why you proudly make use of cartoonish animated caricature to depict people like us as mere idiots. It’s cute and amuzing but it’s really not convincing… Hence, bis repetitas,you obviously don’t(or do not) want to know what LIFE is really about…

    Sincerely, R.P.

    P.S. There is no need to reply to this since I know in advance your response: LIFE is nothing but a lie and nothing good can come out of TEAM…


  67. Dorothy permalink
    September 1, 2011 11:54 pm

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  68. September 2, 2011 10:34 am

    @Rene: You asked why focus on TEAM rather than other MLM businesses? You named answered your own question by using the word “focus.” Focus is important in a business, passion or endeavor. I chose to focus on TEAM because it most resembled the organization that I was a part of a decade ago.

  69. September 2, 2011 11:08 am


    To introduce myself: I have nothing to do with any MLM business, just following this website because I was invited tot a MLM seminar once, and thankfully I did not let myself drag into this pyramid scam because of the information I found here.

    You SOO explain why you need LIFE to survive. You write about emotions, feelings, etc., and that those people help you with that. I am a 100% positive these vultures (I apologize to the name calling of this bird) will do everything to suck you in! Anyway, what does that has to do with “doing business” and “making money”? Read this blog how people lost their money, friends, and family relationships, and really have been in your shoes at a certain time in their lives!

    And by the way, how do you know that your coach is making money? Is (s)he telling you that, or showing you? And of course your coach is making money, but what does (s)he have to spent to earn this money. The important question is: What is the balance at the end of the day? Did you earn more or spent more?

    Don’t you realize that your coach needs you(r money) more than you need your coach, and that he or she will tell you everything you want to hear, so that you keep bringing in the almighty dollars?

    Why do you need to give your information about your education? Also well-educated people can be lured into a scam! Take a step back, and a deep breathe. Do your inquiries, and make decisions based on facts, figures. Fake an attitude of someone who wants to get out, and see what happens!

    Anyway good luck to you. I hope you have the decency not to drag in other vulnerable people, and steal money from them by telling “lies” about you “making money”. Yes, in my opinion you are just a thief, steeling from others the moment you ignore and lie about your financial personal facts doing MLM business.

  70. Speak Your Truth permalink
    September 2, 2011 4:37 pm

    Rene Paquin~

    You state: “We both can recognize scam promotors and manipulators when we see them.”

    Are you sure?

    You also state: “My spouse holds postgraduate degrees in clinical psychology” Are you serious? I would have your husband read this entire site and if he doesn’t figure it out, then oh boy there is a serious problem. This I know for sure, I would never send anyone his way to get any counseling. Thanks for the information.

  71. switch permalink
    September 2, 2011 8:13 pm

    Oh there is need to reply, Rene. You need more help than you think.

    A classic alcoholic will feel sorry for himself, poor the tears on to others and use this in his favor. It happened in my own livingroom when I was introduced so don’t tell me the tears are real, it’s all fake.

    I think it’s great you’ve seeked professional help and know the costs. Keep at it. Just make sure you’re including that when you’re up on stage or in front of a small group selling your “team pitch” because I’m willing to bet you’ve never said a single word about professional rehab. It’s been 100% Team promotion and that’s it for your story, nothing else.

    Rene says-
    “…..that my coach is making money, so is his coach and his coach’s coach. All of it is done legally.”

    so, you mean to tell me you’ve never heard the illegal claims and testimonies before coming from the M.V. side? I’m calling your bluff on that one but I’ll remind you just incase you forgot….Any medical claims such as helps with sleep deprivation, not getting sick/ill anymore, all of a sudden no more aches and pains, how about treating/curing cancer, or treats ADHD and any form of curing heart disease. If that doesn’t sound familiar which I’m guessing it does(you just won’t admit it), you’ve probably heard of all the illegal BS such as using celebs names to promote your juice. You know, names such as Dr. Oz, Oprah, Rachael Ray, AND numerous amounts of sports athletes and orginizations. Hope you’re happy that you’re contributing to their ultimate goal, Rene because this is exactly what happened with Larceny’s previous company called Royal Tongan Limu juice which just so happened got shut down for very similar illegal claims and testimonies. Orrin loves him though. 😉

    You are in fact talking about Team and Mona Vie, with everything being legal, correct? And how everything you’ve witnessed has been totally 100% legal, right? Because according to you they’re basically making money legally off of nothing more than a sales pitch of juice “tasting soooo good”, right and nothing else? And for $130 per case for 4 bottles of the fruit punch to front for a “tool scheme” behind the scenes.

    Beautiful, Rene.

  72. switch permalink
    September 3, 2011 6:57 am

    Rene says-
    “The fact that TEAM has changed and evolved over the years (a normal process that is coextentive with growing industries) does not imply that LIFE will be a disguise… ”

    They’ve changed “what”, Rene????? You’re with holding the truth behind it all that most people want to know about. If it’s a “normal process”….fill us in on the wonderful journey. Why not, it’s a “normal process”, correct?

    Rene says-
    “It appears to me that you have a personnal issue with TEAM. In short, a gut thing more than a rational argument.”

    Tell me Rene, how on earth can my above statement/questions NOT be a rational argument or concern for the new lifer signing up or being recruited?

  73. Speak Your Truth permalink
    September 4, 2011 1:26 pm

    Silence is golden, and yet it confirms…….

  74. René Paquin permalink
    September 4, 2011 2:54 pm

    Please don’t send me anymore emails. I got your point. All the cats are grey in your sight… Everything is fake, the whole thing is a lie. Nothing, absolutetly nothing is good in TEAM-LIFE. I get the sense that nothing will convince you otherwise. It’s like a believer arguing with an atheist, or the other way round. It leads nowhere. Thanks anyway for your attention. R.P.

  75. September 4, 2011 3:41 pm


    I am so happy you made the comparison with the atheist and the believer. Both the atheist and the believer have made up their opinion based on BELIEF and not FACTS, so they both can be right!! Contrary what you are saying, this is therefore a complete other discussion!!

    However, in case of LIFE and TEAM, and in fact in all business activities, you should not use BELIEF to start up/make your business, but hard FACTS. Most contributors to this blog have EXPERIENCED themselves the whole TEAM/LIFE way of doing business/living is a LIE, the so-called warm friendships, the so-called honesty, and also the so-called earnings For most of them it meant LOSING a lot of money, and ending up with a lot of debt. And that is what you read on this blog: the disappointment after finding out what really happened after years of hard work and being loyal. And with that they warn people like myself, who maybe are brought in doubt with really convincing stories by the pro-TEAM/LIFE “business owners” to become part of it, but are streetwise enough to look on the Internet, and are so happy to find their suspicion is being confirmed.

    And no, in my case not all the cats are grey, only I DO NOT ignore a scam when I see one! I still hope you have the decency not to drag other financial or otherwise vulnerable people in based on your BELIEF to do business with LIFE/TEAM, because I am CONVINCED you have to LIE about your income with LIFE/TEAM to get people in!!

    Do you really want to be responsible for messing up other people’s (financial) life because you just have a FEELING and no facts?

  76. Speak Your Truth permalink
    September 4, 2011 4:24 pm

    Rene Paquin~

    I could not have said it better than Me!

    Do you not believe the quote your own master repeats, that he stole from Les Brown back in the Amway days: ” A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.”

    Is that what your goal for coming here was? If so; you have set yourself up for a huge disappointment and an impossibly.

    Now, wouldn’t it make sense to read the rest of the site? Then pass your judgements after you have read what others HAVE witnessed and experienced and also as Me stated, don’t deny the Facts?

    Your last statements are right out of the book, (example) but it would be like saying even though the pastor down the street is a pediphile, he ain’t all bad, preaches a good serman, nice guy and all but everyone just wants to say he is a fake, and everything about his life is a lie, but nothing will convince them otherwise. For your sake, don’t surrender your critical thinking (which I believe you have and are following blindly) and buy into the theory that someday ‘you will have all your goals and dreams.’ It is a free country, you can do and ‘believe’ what you wish.

    Do you know that over 99% have to fail for you to make anything? Don’t come back with the rehearsed ‘objection handling’, just THINK on your own, we already know the TRUTH.

    You are right about 1 thing, you won’t change my mind or (experience); ever.

  77. mgoblue permalink
    October 23, 2011 8:53 am

    You folks sure don’t look for behaviors very well. I suggest before you let your subjective emotion take control of your pathetic life(s) you collect the behavioral evidence. Have a great day live well.

  78. das permalink
    October 23, 2011 10:46 am

    Behaviors? Like you calling the people here pathetic? Pathetic is that the team leaders teach you how to scam and deceive your closest friends and relatives. You too will wake up one day and this site will be here for you to heal from all of the broken promises and lies.

    Oh, and you forgot to say “God Bless”.

  79. das permalink
    October 23, 2011 11:47 am

    Behavioral evidence eh? You are obviously from Michigan, so let me share with you a lie I heard right from the stage at the Dow Center…maybe you were there? I heard Mike Foos say from stage that he asked Ed Zentner point blank if the business was Amway when he was contacted about the Quixtar business and Ed told him, “No, this is not Amway”. That was a flat out LIE!

    What will the new lie be, “We are not MonaVie, we are Lief”?

    There is a way to tell when a member of TEAM is lying….


  80. October 25, 2011 10:56 am

    if you remove the whole Team/Life building idea. you have a website that distributes books like , personality plus, how i raised my self from failure to success in selling, the 5 love languages, how to win friends and influence people, think big, the no complaining rule and rich dad poor dad.

    is that bad ? or is that a scam to if its sold at the same price as every other site or book store where one would purchase the book brand new ??

    im not trying to stick up for anything im just wondering. because this whole topic seems to be pointed more or less at the two authors instead of the stie or other material located on thier site or whatever they do to go about thier buisness.

  81. Uh Oh permalink
    February 8, 2012 7:12 pm

    I recently joined team because a few of my friends had joined and being the young and dumb 20 year old I am I joined. Now after reading forums on this site I am extremely disappointed in myself for not doing my research. I have been in the team business for a week now. I was just wondering if anyone had the answer as to, How do I get out of the Life/Team business?

  82. February 8, 2012 7:25 pm

    @Uh Oh – TEAM LIFE says they offer a 30-day no questions asked money back guarantee. I suggest you call them on this while you have three weeks left. Let us know what they say.

  83. Uh Oh permalink
    February 8, 2012 7:36 pm

    Thank you, I will contact life and see what happens. After reading the life starter pack and then reading this blog, i must say this is making more sense than the mindless rambling of speakers. Thanks again.

  84. Freedomhaha permalink
    February 8, 2012 8:05 pm

    Uh oh- I made the same decision last year as another young dumb 20 year old. I respect you a lot for having the ability to do the research on your own. I really hope you get your money back, but in the event you don’t its still WAY better than the money and time you would have lost had you stayed in. Help spread the truth to others on the TEAM/LIEf.

  85. No Team For Me permalink
    February 8, 2012 8:21 pm

    Uh oh – I would print copies of the LIFE PRIMER and some of the documents of the PC bankrupties and bring them to one last meeting and pass them around. You might be able to save someone else from blowing their life savings. You could possibly really make a difference in someone’s life by spreading those materials at one last meeting. Good luck.

  86. Freedomhaha permalink
    February 8, 2012 8:42 pm

    No Team For Me- I have been toying with the idea of passing out material in front of a seminar for months. I joined TEAM for the chance to help people, but now I know I can only do that by leaving TEAM!!

  87. Speak Your Truth permalink
    February 8, 2012 8:52 pm

    Uh Oh~


    I do not believe you are dumb, as a matter of fact you are pretty sharp to figure out the trap before your first 30 days are up!!! That is genius compared to the length of time we put in! I congradulate you! Use your experience and knowledge as Freedomhaha says, to let people know the truth.

    It is really heart wrenching and noticed in one of the ‘major’ pictures that it looks like they are preying on the young college kids. It looked like that age group has become the ‘majority’. This is a tragedy to me because most 20 years old have much hope for their future and for them to be churned thru the undue influence and indoctrination money sucking machine, at such a young age is very sad. Not to mention the worst experience is the spiritual and mental anguish that those who have been in the ‘system’ (cult) have endured. Most people will ‘fall’ for another one, so don’t ever forget your experience; how they deceptively contacted you, the ‘happy’ (fake) environment etc. I am sure you will be ‘contacted’ by many MLMers’ in your lifetime!

    Please hold them to the no questions asked money back guarantee and tell all your friends to do the same!

    They need to keep track for their ‘data’ because we want them to let us know how many quit within the first 30 days and received their money back, do not let them off the hook. 🙂

    I am sure they are ‘counting’ on people NOT doing that but you deserve to get it back and they have to honor it… let us know how it went. Good luck! I believe it is on their website what you send your request to for your money back.


    Wonder if we could get that on your site on ‘how to get your money back’? 🙂

  88. Speak Your Truth permalink
    February 8, 2012 9:00 pm

    Amthrax~ Better yet, maybe you should but a ‘poll’ up in the Lief Primer to see how many have asked for and received their money back….haha..not kidding though!

  89. CGC permalink
    February 8, 2012 9:30 pm

    Uh Oh,

    When they call you a quitter, think of the following words from C.S Lewis:

    “We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place where you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man. We have all seen this when doing arithmetic. When I have started a sum the wrong way, the sooner I admit this and go back and start over again, the faster I shall get on. There is nothing progressive about being pigheaded and refusing to admit a mistake.”

    TEAM/LIFE is a dead-end road lined with toll booths.

  90. Freedomhaha permalink
    February 8, 2012 9:51 pm

    Speak- Yes, they really are preying on college kids. A lot of college kids are worried about what will happen with loans, job, ect., and LIEf seems like a way out. However, as many have found its just a “dead-end road lined with toll booths” (awesome quote by the way!!!). College kids are spending so much money they don’t have. I know lots of college kids that got in and quit and dropped a quick $400-$500 they didn’t have before money drove them out. I try to take what I can and leave the bad while fighting for the good on here.

    God bless.

  91. February 8, 2012 9:54 pm

    This might be something I do for a dedicated money-back guarantee post in the future.

  92. Speak Your Truth permalink
    February 8, 2012 10:31 pm


    Thanks for sharing that; I thank you, for making a difference. Great attitude too!


    I think that would be helpful to many. Thanks for all you do!

  93. humiliated permalink
    February 9, 2012 6:17 am

    Uh oh. You don’t know how much it pleases me to know that you will not be wasting your precious youth involved with the “Church of Lies”. It reinforces what I already knew, that we are making a difference on this site.

    I completely relate to what you are saying though. When I left Monavie, a year and a half later, I felt the same way (hence my pen name). I was like “duh, of COURSE it is a pyramid scheme”. Strange thing is, I thought that going in and my upline convinced me that it wasn’t. and there wasn’t a whole lot on the internet (which is why I was told to do my “due dilligence at that time…they knew I would find nothing…they don’t do that anymore).

    In any event, you trusted your instincts, which is what brought you here so AMEN!

    Please let us know what happens…when I quit everyone slithered away like the snakes that they are, never to be heard from again. Yep, great friends.

    CGC, that was brilliant, those are certainly words to live by. How much do I owe you? Do you accept VISA? Shoot, that’s right, we help each other for FREE on these sites.


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