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TEAM/MonaVie Prospecting Via Facebook

April 19, 2011

Received this message from a reader who was recently prospected via Facebook by a TEAM/MonaVie member. Check it out below. I changed the names of the people who sent the message and applied some formatting for readability purposes:

In these troubling economic times people’s finances have taken a major hit. With the cost of living on the rise and stagnate wages, it’s very difficult to keep a balance between the two. This situation has caused society to fall into the “looking zone”. Some job jump for a higher raise, find a second job (or third), spouse is over worked or under worked (layoff). Some enroll back into school or take on a trade training (which creates sticky student loans). The list goes on and on.

When you think these alternatives are supposed to help you they tend to hurt you and other areas of your life. Finances can put a stress on your family, friends, following, fitness, freedoms, faith, and fun.

There is a solution to the madness and it’s very simple: Different Information! Albert Einstein put it this way……”Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.” If you don’t like your results then it’s time to do something different!!!

XXXX and I are opening our home to those that are looking for answers. We invite you to come and take in new information that can solve problems in your life that relate to: Finances, Family, Friends, Following, Fitness, Freedoms, Faith, and Fun.

“The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them.” ~ Albert Einstein (I like Albert, he was a smart guy)

This business idea is great for those that are looking for:

1. An extra source of income (passive)
2. An opportunity to leverage a System (to gain the time you don’t already have)
3. Ownership of a home based business (enables tax deductions)
4. Health & Wellness (a $500 billion industry)
5. Internet- E-commerce (no store front, no stockpiling, no sales tactics required)
6. Intellectual distribution (Leadership education at your finger tips at a very low investment)

Invest a little time now, for NEW information that can have a HUGE impact on your future!!!

Some questions that arise from this post:

  1. Is this TEAM member just throwing spaghetti at the wall with his or her FB messages?
  2. Will they get a response to their home meeting invitation?
  3. Will this be a broadcast TEAM-cast that costs $10 to attend? Or will it be the normal kind of home meeting that costs nothing to attendees?
  4. Should the distributor have included his or her MonaVie ID in this message? Or, because it’s generic enough (i.e. doesn’t mention MonaVie by name), was this not necessary?
  5. Have readers every received a similar prospecting message via email or social networks? For those former members, were you ever guilty of doing this?

Final question. If you are in TEAM/MonaVie and have not been making any money, what advice does your upline often give you? Is it:

Keep doing what you’re doing, and you’ll go Diamond!

or

Stay plugged into our System and keep listening to our books and tapes, and you’ll go Diamond!

Doesn’t that sound suspiciously like the definition of insanity as put forth by Albert Einstein and the TEAM/Member? Hmm…

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53 Comments leave one →
  1. webelieved permalink
    April 19, 2011 7:34 pm

    All the lies and manipulation in that contact make me sick. Take it from a seasoned TEAM LEADER, it is not passive and it is not owned by you. Orrin Woodward owns the business and can take it away whenever he wants. He can keep your team, customers and leave you high and dry. He did it to me and many others after years in the same business. We were told it was passive and ongoing too, a LIE!!!! We did the work and sacrificed financially for years and had it stolen!!!! LIES!!! This discusts me to no end. Dorothy I ditto your post. There is no difference in the past to now, except a different name. We have been through many name changes before. Same crap different day. Thanks for sharing.

  2. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 19, 2011 7:37 pm

    “take in new information that can solve problems in your life???”
    What is new?

    It Causes Problems in Life!

    Finances~ Be prepared to go broke, give up your job, 401k, savings, on inventory loading, and even broker with their system.
    Family~ better be willing to give that up, there will be no time for them and you will cancel many family events.

    Friends~ better be good at makin them in the business, your pre-existing ones become obsolete

    Following~ better be willing to be a slave & follow blindly (how interesting they choose this word!) Be prepared to study cults, when you quit.

    Fitness~ LOL you will never have time for that (what did they do buy out all the gyms?)

    Freedoms~ hope your ok with being a slave, better be willing to give it completely up.

    Faith~ hope your not too in love your religion ( Catholic, Buddist, Jewish etc.) be prepared to change or feel really awkard and out of place.

    Fun~Better be willing to ‘fake’ happy you will spend the majority of time in MEETINGS! If you think spending every night of the week in meetings, in other peoples houses, being a deceiving slick salesman, avoiding others legitimate questions; so they get into your business, 4 Tues.per month plus, 1 weekend a month/ local seminar, 4x full weekends yr./ Majors, going broke spending every dime you have is fun, fun fun~

    They are still doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result…they are insane!

    I have one word for it all~ BULLSH*T

    And when it’s all said and done, your broke, betrayed, destroyed, stolen from, been lied to and in turn lied to others, and waisted your precious time away from your children, family and lost friends~ Be prepared!

  3. webelieved permalink
    April 19, 2011 7:41 pm

    Speak, thanks for the laughs or the tears depending on how I look at it!!! All SO TRUE!!!! It is amazing how people can lie to themselves!!!! I couldn’t have said it any better!!!! Be prepared to give it all up for someday that will never come !!

  4. Dorothy permalink
    April 19, 2011 8:15 pm

    oh..wait to you hear the new cd on system..oh your ganna love the title…ready?

    “15 Plans vs. The Lies We Tell Ourselves” bawwhhhaaaa….guess who the speaker is.

  5. Dorothy permalink
    April 19, 2011 7:20 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  6. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 19, 2011 8:55 pm

    “We did and do send out mass emails like the one above… sad but true. We never respond to the emails we send. We only invite. Never give anyone the opportunity to tell us no or give us a reason not to show.”

    And how’s this working? LOL~ So they spam their emails, then what do you do? Go to house meeting wait, watch out window, and pray…lol
    Do they seriously think people are just going after they get their ‘good stuff first’ (video, news)?
    Wow~ I bet that will be the bomb, lol

    This is just hilarious! Thanks for sharing!

    Oh and the Cd~couldn’t be the ‘guru’ himself, could it? Would be interesting to hear what lies they tell themselves!

  7. Dorothy permalink
    April 19, 2011 8:11 pm

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.

  8. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 19, 2011 9:34 pm

    “Real Truth?”~
    Coming from them? I really don’t think there is such a thing, is there?
    Does that mean they had a change of heart, and everything they said before wasn’t the ‘real truth’ and they will tell the ‘real truth’ in their LIFE book about all the lies they deceived everyone with over the last 2 decades?’ I think we have done that work for them,(telling the real truth) but they will have to spin it of course.~hmm…. very interesting these teamers would say that.

    Really sad about them ol teamsters~hope they find their way OUT!
    I too hope all we have shared with others has helped.

  9. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 19, 2011 9:42 pm

    Oh that someday……….What if?…………..and remember all your dreams will come true…. keep your head in the clouds……Oh sorry, got caught up in the ‘DREAM” LOL~Not

  10. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    April 20, 2011 5:22 am

    I wonder when the last time is Woody showed 15 plans in a month

  11. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 20, 2011 6:40 am

    IQ~I remember him bragging to a crowd of ‘followers’ he was ‘rusty’ because he hadn’t STP in 4 years. “MUST BE NIIICE,” while everyone else STP 4 & 5 nights a week. A real ‘motivator’ for those slaving, if you know what I mean! He probably does it from home on a ‘webcam’ now. LOL
    Must suck for him to not have a ‘B-business’ and a lot of pressure to STP 4 & 5 nights now that all his leaders figured him out and deserted him like a bad habit! Attrition much!!!

  12. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    April 20, 2011 6:57 am

    Yet another example of fine leadership!

  13. April 20, 2011 7:43 am

    The last statement hit me – LOW INVESTMENT – eh???? Most of us who were in MV/TEAM are in serious debt or gone bankrupt, even college/university people get out of debt faster than the investment/debt incurred by TEAM expenses.

  14. switch permalink
    April 20, 2011 12:34 pm

    **”Invest a little time now, for NEW information that can have a HUGE impact on your future!!!”**

    …….that info isn’t so “NEW” anymore now is it? And in return would qualify as being very deceptive and also would fall under what most of us call being filled with $hit.
    \
    de·cep·tive/diˈseptiv/
    Adjective: Giving an appearance or impression different from the true one; misleading.

    It just keeps getting better by the day.

  15. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 20, 2011 5:21 pm

    “Giving an appearance or impression different from the true one; misleading”

    You have just pointed out the #1 rule in their play book!
    Wonder why they think being a ‘faker’ is important?
    This is good, I am learning something ‘new’ everyday~lol

    How bout that #1 An extra source of income..that is histerical and #3~Ownership of a homebased business? Who owns it again?…thought so.
    Someone’s really trying to be funny here. Maybe this is what they mean by fun? Their laughing their guts out at all those who believe that pile!

  16. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 20, 2011 5:25 pm

    Yea~quite the example, eh?

  17. April 21, 2011 4:49 am

    How many people are going to attend this meeting? ZERO! Oh I can see it now…..”Yes…I got your impersonal mass e-mail…..I am a broke loser….please save me with your business that you’ve told me nothing about in your message”! NOT gonna happen! This person will have a lot of “I’ll try” to make it to your place responses….but we all know how that ends. I saw many people in my group try to do this kinda stuff out of desperation, as they had already blown through their names list of close friends and family. NEVER worked (just like the Team!).

    Amthrax….the line I always heard when things weren’t “exploding” was….”Do More…..Get Better”

  18. TOD permalink
    April 21, 2011 6:22 am

    Exactly right. This kind of desperation just reiterates the fact that Team has run its course and the party is over. When they finally go to just leadership development is when the wheels will fall off for good.

  19. switch permalink
    April 21, 2011 9:21 am

    Lets jump back to the first paragraph and see what other deceiving comments are given….

    The LIFER says-
    “In these troubling economic times people’s finances have taken a major hit. With the cost of living on the rise and stagnate wages, it’s very difficult to keep a balance between the two. This situation has caused society to fall into the “looking zone”. Some job jump for a higher raise, find a second job (or third), spouse is over worked or under worked (layoff). Some enroll back into school or take on a trade training (which creates sticky student loans). The list goes on and on.”

    First off, what is it with the mentality of “stagnate wages” in everyone’s household and acrossed the board? Since when has society fallen into this so called “looking zone”? And if you don’t sign up for team, you’ll automatically go on unemployment or are about to be layed off? Negative outlook much?

    The LIFER says-
    “When you think these alternatives are supposed to help you they tend to hurt you and other areas of your life.”

    HOW IN THE WOOOOORLD can a professional education given by a well trained professor/instructor at any given university hurt you? Money? Ever hear of scholarships and grants offered to those who can’t afford it? He or she should look into it, it’s actually a very POSITIVE offering that’s offered to those who can’t afford it including single mothers, veterans, etc. of all ages.

    The fact that they promote the brand new 18 year old straight out of high school to jump on the band wagon of “owning his/her own business” is flat out revolting and sick.

    Think about it, when he jumped ship…..did you have control over that? How many had at least had a say in it or were in on the board meetings? Did you have a say in anything whatsoever?

    If him/her can get their head out of the team toilet for just a day, I’m sure they could at least see taking their innocents victim’s credit card after this “new info” or “showing the plan” is flat out asinine.

    Makes me sick.

  20. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 21, 2011 9:39 am

    They are grabbing @ straws, these practices would be exactly what they would tell you “Don’t Work” and to ‘Not Do’ because they have tried everything and know what works. ‘You don’t need to re-invent the ‘wheel’ (falling off for good!)~lol. ‘Don’t get ‘creative,’ we have a ‘proven system.’ We have tried all those things…
    “Don’t respond or answer the phone calls when prospect calls?” They are just hoping, that works; they have lost it? LOL
    Geez we all know you couldn’t get people to attend after STP (face to face) and using the best ‘coerisive persuasive’ techniques known to man and still couldn’t get people to show-up; even after they would tell you they were committed to coming!
    Desperate~that’s an understatement!
    This is so blantanly obvious that these self-proclaimed ‘guru’s’ don’t have a clue what they are doing~ they are sliding backwards in ‘their thinking’ so fast they will need a ‘time machine’ just to get back to reality!

  21. justanotherscam permalink
    May 24, 2011 6:02 pm

    I was never involved with this scam but I do know someone who still is going around calling herself a Black Diamond whatever. They still parade her out in LA area events and post her picture as a success story. The truth is this woman actually got lucky 4 years ago by signing up a good team (real estate agents who had stopped making money in that business) and made about $290k. However, she didn’t know that she had to pay taxes on that money and ended up with a $50k tax bill which she couldn’t pay. She actually went around telling everyone she was going to be a self-made millionaire and quit her fulltime job.

    She went broke in 2010, had to sell her engagement ring in January 2011 in a vain attempt to keep her Mercedes from being repo’d– which it was in March. She is now looking for fulltime employment for which she is seriously underqualified because she’s been led to believe that she is a “successful businesswoman”. She now lives on her meager monthly “income” and her delusions of grandeur.

    I’m sure she’s not alone.

    I cannot believe people still believe this bull. Success in this type of business is 95% luck and 5% actual skill/talent.

  22. May 24, 2011 8:24 pm

    Is this person still listed on the MonaVie Field Leaders web page on the monavieonthemove.com web site? If so, and if your story is true, it would show that MonaVie doesn’t care about updating that list with people who are truly qualified for the level they are listed at.

  23. justanotherscam permalink
    May 25, 2011 8:16 pm

    They paid for her to attend the Hawaii event last year & posted her photo in December under that one the move crap. I think they just keep using people who made money in the past so that they technically aren’t misrepresenting themselves but the real question is: when was the last time they made any money?

  24. not signed up yet permalink
    June 14, 2011 9:53 pm

    No sales tactics required? How about all the selling you have to do to get people to meetings, get them on jouiuce, get them on system, get them to a weekend, a major, or a power player pack? Seems like alot of selling going on to me.

    And waht about teh first inital lies…raise your hand if you heard this one.

    “I cant promise you anything, but coem to the meeting and check it out”

    YOu goe Tuesday and what do they promise? Passive income, wealth, more free time…

    Also at the begging of a meeting or houseplan…

    “We’re not here to sell you anything…”

    2 hours later

    “Its a $139 to get started…and I recommend you get started tonight…

    Now, if you are in any kind of business you ahve to sell. I even have to, but the difference is I am honest and up front about what my services cost and provide value to my customers.

    Also as far as your MV website…would be cool if it actaully generated sales, but when I alsed my sponsor how much traffic and sales the website generated he told me almost nothing, because we “buy it from oursleves and make moeny off volume”.

    So you pay 99 bucks a year for a website that doesnt generate sales. And this is what they teach to be successful?

    I really hate how they call it “the business” when there is no business. All they are doing is giving you “the business”.

    And I just found out that I was actaully lied to by an upline…I aksed how mcuh moeny does MV Team make of registration and he told me none. I thought that cant be true…MLM PUnisher rpeorted that for everyone that signs up TEAm makes about 85 bucks. So I am not even on baord and I am already getting lied to and decieved. Real nice. Not sur e waht MVs cut is but its gotta be soemthing.

  25. not signed up yet permalink
    June 14, 2011 10:02 pm

    MLM Punisher

    I have heard the TEAM is exploding to from my sponsor and many teambots.

    Whats left after an explosion? damage, debris, dead bodies….

  26. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 14, 2011 10:21 pm

    never will sign up~ Lmao! Are you still attending the semiar and opens, who were the speakers you saw?

  27. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 14, 2011 10:24 pm

    OH by the way it is a lie that the Team is not making money off the registration they are selling their book they wrote and they make money off the website subscription too! So flat out lie. You would think they would stop lying, how do they expect to keep their fake image if they can’t even be truthful?

  28. TruthSeeker permalink
    March 15, 2012 3:46 pm

    This seemed like the best place to post this. You all gotta get a load of this jackass promoting Monavie on Facebook. Unbefreakinlievable.

    Warning: This may be the cheeziest thing you have ever witnessed, I do not recommend letting children watch this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/BearHarrisMLMTV

  29. Brent Hansen permalink
    March 17, 2012 9:09 am

    Great video TruthSeeker, hard to believe someone could be that cheezy. I have something to add to the Facebook / Monavie thread here. Hot off the press, I just stumbled upon a back-and-forth between Monavie International Super Hero Randy Schroeder and the bulldog Michael Collins. This is in regards to Monavie’s growth (lack of growth) in North America. Enjoy!

    Michael Collins:

    Here are the rank advancements fo MV this week which look like every other week. How many of these names look american to you?

    • Diamond- COSEIRA™®

    • Emeralds-.春木 戴 HC Alice, สุวัฒน์ วังวรตระกูล

    • Ruby-AUSSIE ENTERPRISES PTY. LTD., Kul Monavie, ชัยวิทย์ และ พรรณภา ผิวเรืองนนท์, Ngan Yin Hung
    • Gold- Justin Cooper, Charles and Janice Avilez, Wang Ying Tun, Nikolaos and Carina Bartzis, William and Margie Wittke, Roscoe L Hix, Binice Pearleen, Celeste Mance, ฟารีดา กาเกาะ, ธนบดี ธนเศรษฐา, Evandro M Cardoso Costa, LEON JING FENG, ทศนพร คุ้มจันอัด, ศิริดารัตน์ และ กิติ เลขมาศ, tiong juen fui, 木城 張, ปริญญา สายพันธ์, อรุณ ศรีสวัสดิ์, Mridul Kanti Tarat, วิฦาดา สุขสมเสรี, อัศจรรย์ อานามวงษ์, ภูมิพัฒน์ นิธิศาวรวงศ์, BHASKAR G, Mathews PJ, อภินพ ขันบุญ, อภิชาติ โรจน์ชีวพันธ์ และ อลิสา ชาวสุทธิ์, นัยนา ศรีวิไลฤทธิ์, ฐานวีร์ เลิศปรีชาโรจน์, วิภาวรรณ พูลสวัสดิ์, วัชภา จงวนิชย์, สุมัทนา ลาดซ้าย, monavia two u services, MANDA L KARI, Gregory Borchardt, ng lee huang, Ming Zhang Dai, อภิฤดี พูลขุมทรัพย์, forever rainbow trading, poh lo wo, tyc jaya enterprise

    Randy Schroeder:

    Mona Vie is in fact growing rapidly in Europe and in many other international markets. I will here make a prediction…Mona Vie will enjoy yet another season of dramatic North American success. The St Louis convention will be a catalyst to that success. It would be a very very poor choice to bet against the Mona Vie initiative…globally or domestically.

    Michael Collins:
    Your latest Income disclosure statement and weekly rank advancements completely contradict what you just said Randy, but what else is new.
    Here’s a free tip for you guys at corporate Randy: instead of making insignificant changes to your ridiculous comp plan that put very little money in the pockets of the guys at the bottom try something new. Make some changes that ACTUALLY achieve what you guys claim you want to do: help average people make money.

    You can start by eliminating the ridiculous amount of breakage you have in your comp plan.

    Randy Schroeder:

    Michael, my guess is that my career track is a bit more successful than yours. The toxic attitude which you here present is and will be a reason for your lack of real success. I wish you well in your various endeavors, whatever they are.

    Michael:
    Nice deflection Randy. How about we stick with the facts. Leave the rhetoric alone k? It’s a tired tactic and it ain’t flying with me buddy….

    Randy:
    Michael…here are the facts. MonaVie is growing…both domestically and internationally. I wish you well.

    Michael:
    Here’s a question for you superstar: why did you guys eliminate the first column in your new IDS?

    Randy:
    Perhaps a more important question for you….does whatever company you are involved with even have such a document?

    Best wishes…get positive,,,your attitude will repel anyone interested in success

    Michael:
    I’ve been tracking MV for the last 3 years closely Randy and your rank advancement anouncements absolutely disprove what you just said which is why you guys removed the country of origin from below the pins names.

    Randy:
    Very best wishes to you. You speak with confidence about things where you have no knowledge. Move on…be successful in life. Eliminate the bitterness and negativity. Such will not serve you well.

    Michael:
    Newsflash for ya Randy, I’m not here pushing a company, so no, my company doesn’t have any such document. Perhaps you should read my MV IDS analysis.

    Randy:
    Enjoy the day

    Michael:
    Run away Randy. Let me know when you want to back up your claims so I can take you and your rhetoric to the woodshed.

    Randy:
    Michael, I will be more than happy to meet with you personally any time. I live relatively near by.

    Michael:
    anytime
    But seriously, I’d rather do it in a public forum so I can point out to people when you use deflection, red herring arguments, or outright deception to answer pointed, specific questions or to counter any statement of fact.

  30. March 17, 2012 1:08 pm

    Very interesting conversation. You can detect the scammer’s desperation to shoo away the factually true MC without him, the former, losing face, but an implausible attempt. He know the public is watching his responses and he doesn’t realize his deflection is constituting obvious guilt and failing miserably at the simple challenges.
    Please post the link on where to follow up on this exchange. Thanks!

  31. Brent Hansen permalink
    March 17, 2012 1:09 pm

    Would love to, but Randy Schroeder came back in and deleted his comments, to revealing I suppose.

  32. CGC permalink
    March 17, 2012 8:26 pm

    Deflect, condescend, then run away is the typical tactic of deceivers like Randy Schroeder. Reminds me of a conversation I tried to have with Orrin wannabe nobody Jerry Chen regarding his interview with Orrin.

  33. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 17, 2012 8:31 pm

    Straight out of the MLM for begginers, handbook. Avoid at all costs.

  34. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 18, 2012 6:25 am

    It is amazing how they all seem to come from the same mold and they don’t even have to come from the same Line of Sponsorship.. (M.O.)…. their behavior is of an Ostrich…get asked the tough questions…answer only with you won’t be successful in life (like I am).. get scared of the truth.. bury your head in the sand…delete comments…end of confersation!

    Why not just answer honestly, face the brutal reality, then change?

    Randy says: “Michael, my guess is that my career track is a bit more successful than yours.”

    Wow, the arrogance ‘attitude’ card is thrown down; I am smarter, know more, have a ‘bit’ more success so therefore you cannot question ‘me’. You couldn’t possibly know more than me, you know not what you are talking about. I am a guru, I make more money than you, etc..Aamazing the arrogance!

    That is the same sickening attitude, I have seen from those at the top for years,…. it is no wonder why he deleted his comments. Shamefrul. Where is the humility? He should try demonstrating some real ‘leadership’, that could solve some issues and would stand mountains higher than arrogance.

    How and what is Randy measuring his ‘bit more successful career track’? Based on this conversation, I would have to say Mike has way more than ‘a bit of success’ at least when it comes to confronting the brutal reality, truth, guts, and change. So therefore much more leadership ability… Way to go Mike! 🙂

  35. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 18, 2012 6:26 am

    oops spelling correction…’conversation’

  36. Freedomhaha permalink
    March 18, 2012 7:16 am

    I know I have talked about it before on this site, but I really hate when MLM’s (my experience TEAM) uses Christianity. As a Christian myself it makes me sick to see the Bible twisted for evil means by Orrin and Co.

  37. Mike Collins permalink
    March 18, 2012 7:41 am

    here is the link but all of his comments are gone:

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/ted.nuyten/posts/291392910929539?notif_t=share_reply

    This is the last thing I said to him: “@ Randy Schroeder: I see you removed your part of the debate. I took screen shots of it in case you want a record. Let me know if you want me to send you a copy.”

    If any of you are interested you can message me and I will send you the screen shots for your entertainment.

    This guy is just another spineless example of the “bigshot” mlm’er who hits and runs using cheap rhetoric and meaningless insults as a basis for a counter arguement. To quantify what he did please allow me to illustrate.

    Randy Schroeder: “Mona Vie is in fact growing rapidly in Europe and in many other international markets. I will here make a prediction…Mona Vie will enjoy yet another season of dramatic North American success. The St Louis convention will be a catalyst to that success. It would be a very very poor choice to bet against the Mona Vie initiative…globally or domestically.”

    Brent Hansen: “What draws you to that conclusion Randy?”

    Randy Schroeder: “Because Michael Collins is broke, unsuccessful, and toxic and I make more money than him na….. na…… na.. na.. na (sticking out tongue)”

  38. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 18, 2012 9:36 am

    Imo, it is a shame the lack of leadership they display while claiming they are ‘more successful’, with arrogance. And the world is suppose, to follow this? Yikes! From my experience, it doesn’t really matter who it is in the industry they all have been to the same school of deceptive games, and the practice of blatant Hypocrisy..That would be the School of MLM.

    Is this how they believe they will affect so many lives positively, improve their ‘reputation’ or save the world from being ‘broke’?

    When they are challenged and called out on the hypocrisy or truth, facts, ethics, and honesty, then it is glaringly obvious what they really believe and practice. And is polar opposite of what they preach at their ‘motivational training’ seminars from stages.

    It is obvious and disturbing, their denial and deflection. They are lying to others and to themselves. From my experience, it is standard across the board and their ‘negative arrogance’ shows right through, this will not help with ‘reputation management’.

    They bring shame to truth, spirituality, and real ‘leadership.’ I would love to know how they think they will ever bring ‘positive’ change to the world; by faking it that is, when they can’t even address the brutal facts to ‘make’ that change.

    I would much rather face the truth and be broke, than con, lie and deny the truth.. to claim ‘success’. . Seriously how do they live with themselves or how do they honestly think they can escape this at their individual end?

    That … is self-deception at its finest.

  39. Itsapauling permalink
    March 18, 2012 11:29 am

    As far as MV exploding, it looks like it has really fragged for Team……it has been 6 months since the Pauls have put ANYONE at the bottom of their second team. Volume has gone from being around 5000+ in the good times to just not much more than 500 now.

    Many people have lost the hundreds of thousands of points they had saved.

    What does Owen like to say? “If it ain’t growen, it’s dieing”. It’s in a death spiral.

  40. No Team For Me permalink
    March 18, 2012 2:47 pm

    Itsapauling – Team has stopped promoting MV. Instead they have been telling everyone to join their new scam. Most of the Team people have turned off their autoship so they can use that money to buy more Lifescam tools.

    I feel sorry for people like Billy Florence that had 5 legs of his business raided by Team/Life and now have all turned off their MV autoship. Billy & Peggy were some of the nicest people I knew.

  41. switch permalink
    March 18, 2012 6:55 pm

    He lives “relatively nearby”, Michael?

    Yea….LOCK YOUR DOORS!

  42. freedomhaha permalink
    March 19, 2012 5:17 am

    TEAM also loves to prospect on Twitter. A pastime of my non TEAM/LIEf friends is to laugh at the absurd tweets from LIEfers on Tuesday night and seminar weekends. When I quit I had to unfollow a lot of “leaders”. 🙂

  43. CGC permalink
    March 19, 2012 6:01 am

    Brent and Mike:

    From that FB comments thread, which is on Ted Nuyten’s page:

    “Randy Schroeder: Michael…here are the facts. MonaVie is growing…both domestically and internationally. I wish you well.”

    However, on Nuyten’s Business For Home’s own site, they report the following:

    “Between 2009 and 2011 the checks declined with approx. -23 %. Our estimate is that Monavie’s sales revenue declined from $750 Million in 2008 to under $500 million in 2011. Growth most likely has been in the Non – USA markets.”

    http://www.businessforhome.org/2012/03/monavie-income-disclosure-2011-23-compared-with-2009/

    So MV expanded internationally, yet have seen a ~33% loss of income. How can it be growing internationally while continuing to grow domestically, yet still be shrinking overall? Are we in some bizarro world with backwards math?

    Please draw that conversation back to the main premise, which is that MV North America is in a steady decline and so one can project that the same rise and fall will soon follow in Europe (the “For how long?”).

    I’d also like to point out that MV defender Tina Iacangelo said, “I don’t care about your comp plans.” Wow, then what part of the business does she care about? I also noticed she self righteously said, “Michael your comments about Monavie, Danny, me, say more about the kind of person you are than anything else of importance.” That after posting only ad hominem attacks, including the fact that she won’t take business advice from anyone wearing a sport jersey. Hmmm. Personally I won’t take business advice from anyone wearing jeans and a turtleneck (now that Steve Jobs is dead).

    How can I comment on that FB page? I subscribed to Ted Nuyten for that purpose but I don’t see any “comment” buttons. 😦

  44. Brent Hansen permalink
    March 19, 2012 12:21 pm

    CGC, Itsapauling and No Team For Me,

    I really hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the three of you are totally wrong about Monavie, Team etc. I have received private messages directly from the International Master Distributor regarding Team and Monavie. And I have to tell you, I am so convinced by what he says, I may just have to give it another whirl….hahaha…..RIGHT!

    Randy’s Response:

    “Brent, you aske why I believe that Mona Vie will enjoy significant growth in it’s domestic operations.

    There are a few reason’s.
    1: A new technology which will validate product results. This will be introduced in St Louis in May
    2: New clarity in business building processes

    3: because I have been asked to become active in the USA market.

    Best
    randy”

    I am sure that its probably obvious for all of you to see that Monavie will now get rolling again in North America now that Randy is back in the country. The major crash simply happened because he wasn’t around ..hahaha…

    My Question:

    “Brent Hansen
    What clarity is it that you refer to? What do you mean by clarity in business building processes?”

    The Response:

    Randy Schroeder
    “The new tool suite…known as MVP. I just completed a group of audio tools to be included at St Louis which I think provide clear and concise direction to what can be a confusing process

    I believe it will be helpful to many people. I have also been asked to conduct a series of North American trainings….a new thing as I have been working solely in Europe.

    hahahaha….couldn’t be the comp plan could it? Lets throw more tools in the mix. Tools are always the answer, just ask Team.

    My Question:

    What does MVP stand for? Are all of the other systems to be eliminated? I was involved 4 or 5 years ago, but with the wrong folks. I came in with Haugen on the whole Legacy / Team debacle.

    I am just a bit curious as to why you feel Monavie is better prepared to grow now, and what has been done to clean up the garbage?

    Orrin and crowd are gone, I see that as a major plus. Please keep me informed.

    The Response: (This is hilarious)

    “Randy Schroeder
    Actually, Orrin & crowd still here….they just do not interact with the distributorship at large. So the business volume is still at MonaVie….but the “TEAM” is not evident.

    Legacy and R3G are gone…in favor of a single, global company administered system ‘MVP”…Mona Vie Values People

    Our business is VERY good internationally, wen through a pretty steep correction in the USA, has stabilized and has in fact reentered growth, with positive month to month comparisons in North America since November.

    There will be some announcements which I think are meaningful in the next few days.”

    There you have it, the Team MV volume is still there. We are all wrong! hahaha…

  45. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 19, 2012 1:27 pm

    Randy says:

    “Actually, Orrin & crowd still here….they just do not interact with the distributorship at large. So the business volume is still at MonaVie….but the “TEAM” is not evident.”

    Reeally? The “TEAM” is not evident because they are not Promoting MV (have dumped them) it is too bad they don’t see this and those they put in are without orders or autoship. They haven’t grown in MV numbers or volume since before their launch of their own scam! Interesting they haven’t picked up on that one you would think they would be watching their bottom line. I would guess they haven’t firgured Orrin out.

    Perhaps he means ‘Orrin’s volume’ is still with MV because all those he solicited, Florence, Haugen etc. are still bringing volume under Orrin, so the caring guy he is, would still be getting paid very well from MV, while all the ‘followers’ are NOT. because he wants all their money for his scam.

    Otherwise, that statement from Randy, looks like a blantant lie from my perspective. And how do they explain the massive ‘flushing’ or tree trimming (numerous times)…many, many thousands have been flushed. Decades of work flushed. Amazing, the denial and horrendous attrition rate gets ignored.

    I will say I have never experienced such a more moral bankrupt, dishonest group of people in my life. It is the most dishonorable thing we have ever been a part of and are HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY… to be-gone! 🙂

    They certainly don’t expect those who have been screwed royal by the “TEAM” that can see the truth to believe that Bs. nor to spread the good news about them or MV, do they? I am not naive enough to think they even give a shit what I thing but from my perspective, word of mouth is a very powerful thing and there will never be a friend, family member, or stranger, in my sphere of influence that will ever get involved, or in any MLM for that matter.

    He must think he can spin some real majic to reverse what is gone… and then grow? It never ceases to amaze me how they expect anything to ‘change’ when they never fix or even address the root problem. Good luck to them.

  46. outsider permalink
    March 19, 2012 1:47 pm

    Sorry to say it, but I just couldn’t stop laughing over this ‘news’ that Brent reports (from Randy). (“Sorry” because there’s actually a sad element to the victim side of the whole fraudulent mess, I mean.)

    Re: “A new technology which will validate product results” . . .
    Oh, whatever might it be?! Perhaps a sciency Berryometer which will validate Berry Goodness or Cancer Destruction Capabilities! (Ooooo, hey, a ‘CDC’ connection, even!) One can hardly wait til May!

    And how about: “They just do not interact with the distributorship at large”?
    So, what, are they on leashes or something? Kept in a cage?!
    Ya just can’t make this stuff up. . .

  47. Brent Hansen permalink
    March 19, 2012 4:07 pm

    @Speak, did you write the word “shit”? Now that’s funny. Love it!

  48. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 19, 2012 4:26 pm

    Brent~ Sorry, I know.. I did. 🙂

    outsider~

    It does sound quite miraculous and ‘exciting’ doesn’t it?…I may have to re-think, get amnesia from my experience because the ‘validater’ must be a serious medical breakthrough! I wonder if it can validate the horrendous attrition rate, or change the comp plan.

    Or what about what Ralph Carson, the company’s chief science officer, who created the original juice, (according to the Salt Lake Tribune Article) had to say about the juice; “expensive flavored water. Any claims made are purely hypothetical, unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, bogus,” according to a court transcript that quoted an Amway attorney.”

    Could it validate what Chief Science Officer had to say who created the original juice!?

  49. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 19, 2012 5:26 pm

    Brent~

    Please don’t read any of my comments from when I first came here and was still a little jacked, you might be more than a little surprised, haha…Honestly…ok… more like royal pi**ed. I was much more ‘passionate’ then…lol. 🙂

  50. CGC permalink
    March 20, 2012 9:36 pm

    Brent,

    Randy said, “Actually, Orrin & crowd still here….they just do not interact with the distributorship at large. So the business volume is still at MonaVie….but the “TEAM” is not evident.”

    What does this mean?

  51. Brent Hansen permalink
    March 21, 2012 2:02 am

    CGC, apparently he is trying to lead me to believe that although Team is not attending Monavie functions nor visibly promoting Monavie that they are still included in the line of sponsorship, and continuing to generate volume for the company.

    This would be a direct contradiction to what a round table member told me on the phone. He told me that Team was not promoting Monavie and more, and that they were all dropping their “expensive” & “overpriced” autoship.

    This whole thing is about public relations, and looking good. Both parties get to save face if they pretend like they are still connected. They all make fun of Robert Dean but at least he has enough to character to make a clean-break when he leaves a company. At least he doesn’t seem to care what the whole MLM crowd thinks of him. He may leave companies a lot when he grows dissatisfied, but not once have I heard him be accused of not fulfilling his end of the bargain.

  52. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 21, 2012 12:30 pm

    Brent~

    I am sure it is just ‘us’ because we don’t have as much ‘success,’ it all just be a misunderstanding because we didn’t have the right or enough ‘tools’ from the right ‘teacher’? Thank goodness there is someone who now after 5 decades who can finally save the day with the right tools! Whoo, I was getting a little worried. Just curious, does that mean all those tools (billions?) and all those collective genius guru’s in the whole industry, would that mean they were all worthless then? 🙂

    Oh and the whole PR thing…from my experience; just a bunch of Public Lies. Just my lowly unsuccessful opinion though.

    But then again my PMA and self talk must not be working.I am doing everthing I was told works; We built for well over a decade, doing EVERYTHING (earned it) and I keep telling myself “I am a gazillionaire” ..Well I am still telling myself, have it on my mirror, AND on my mission statement AND I read everyday! I think I might have missed something from my guru instructions on this though, either that or they forgot to give the final ‘secret’? Am I missing something or does it have a ‘time frame’ tied to it, because I am not a gazillionaire? 🙂

  53. Eye of the Tiger permalink
    March 22, 2012 7:33 pm

    The comments in this blog make me want to puke. It’s been a while were since I have found such a wasteful way of using precious storage space. Get a life people.
    People have the right to choose whatever path they want. Seems to me that you all THINK you all have the right answers and the right to critizice others.
    @Brent… You say too much but your comments lack meanin. What’s your motive? You lonely?
    If you are trying to show off the Internet is the wrong place to do it… Leave the precious bytes for people who have real things to say.
    TEAM or no TEAM, this blogs exemplifies the common thinking of a declining society. Let me go puke now….

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