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College and a TEAM Education

May 10, 2011

I found this comment on JuiceScam worth discussing in more depth:

Chrissy said: “You all want to hear of a scam? The higher educational system in America today. Putting my daughter in college for 4 years: $78,000. Watching my son fail 3 times: $15,000.”

Chrissy – where are you getting this information that college is a scam? It couldn’t be from your TEAM Leaders, could it???

After all, Orrin himself proudly states in the very first paragraph of one of his many websites:

Orrin has a Bachelor of Science Degree in Manufacturing Systems Engineering from GMI and Business Administration training from the University of Michigan.

First thing out of the Supreme Leader website is a line touting his educational credentials. Why is that?

Okay, if it’s not Orrin talking smack about college, how about his rascal brother-in-arms, Chris Brady? Well, in the very first paragraph on his about page, Chris says:

Education: Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering, Kettering University (formerly GMI Engineering & Management Institute)
Master of Science in Manufacturing Engineering, Carnegie Mellon University, General Motors Fellowship, Master Thesis at Toyohashi University, Toyohashi, Japan.

That’s a lot of education and fellowships that Chris has entered. If it’s not Chris nor Orrin, who is telling you that education is bad? If it is indeed Orrin saying all of this, why do they emphasize their own education credentials on their websites???

Here’s the truth. TEAM wants you to pay for its own for-profit “educational” system. I put educational in quotes because the TEAM System is not accredited by any third-party national or regional organization.

TEAM would like you to think that it’s providing you a better education than in a college, but is it? If you leave TEAM, do you get a diploma that you can show at your next interview? No, your prospective employer will laugh at you for saying TEAM is valid education. Furthermore, you can’t even leave TEAM without being called a loser for quitting!

What is the cost of a TEAM Education? As MLM Punisher pointed out, it was $500 every month for him. If you were a couple building this business together, that figure will be more? Four years of TEAM is $24,000. Okay, that might be one year at a good college, but what do you get out of it? After four years, are you a Diamond, or are you perpetually just getting started?” If you’re in TEAM for 10-13 years, I shudder to think how much money you’ve spent for TEAM Education.

Finally, Orrin’s children are getting up there in years. Are Orrin and Laurie planning to send them to college? Yes, no, don’t know? If college is such a dump, why on earth would the children of the Supreme TEAM Leader go?

Yes, there are problems with the education system in America. But is college a scam? I think not. If your leaders are badmouthing colleges, maybe you should question them about why they tout their own educational credentials so much.

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51 Comments leave one →
  1. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 10, 2011 9:04 pm

    Awesome Article Amthrax! Very well put.

    You laid out some great points. I for one am disgusted with their hypocrisy, but who wouldn’t be?

    They tout” You can’t build your building the tallest by tearing others down” but in the same breath they bash anything and everything, college, jobs, bosses, etc., that doesn’t serve their money making scheme and idol~$$.

    So, they do exactly what they teach not to do, no? I would love for them to pay back all they owe us & have stolen from us, for a college education for my entire family! Their opinion doesn’t mean squat, and it is self-serving to deceive others to fill their bank accounts but as you can see they have convinced Crissy and all the rest who become brainwashed, with their repetitive hypocrisy; they poison people’s minds with everything is BAD,BAD, BAD except ‘their system.

    ’ They also tout ‘don’t criticize, condemn, or complain.’ I see that fits right in with their teachings also. And what about you don’t complain unless you are willing to do something about it? Yet, another inconsistency with ‘their superior’- better than college teachings?

    You made the point about them stating their ‘college titles’, what’s the point? Hmm…obviously, they are pretty important to them, just like their other bogus titles they continually BRAG about but yet again they bash and make fun of those who have all the ‘titles/degrees’, hanging on their wall that basically do nothing for you? And they say they aren’t interested in ‘reputation?’
    It is way too obvious and (people need to wake up) that everything they USE, including God is to serve THEIR PC- Mammon!

    Every ‘leadership’ stolen quote is only good when used to self-serve their Greed! Is this the education that’s better than a college degree?

    Wonder what the REST of Crissy story is? What did her daughter do with her $78,000 college education? Did she receive a job that pays her?
    Is she happy she got educated?
    I promise her daughter and her will make more $ on a job and still be able to keep and have a clear ‘conscience’ and her integrity, than she will ever get from building the TEAM/MV.

    And what is Crissy believing she is by some ‘miracle’ going to make it with the Team/MV ‘education-brainwashing system,’ where 99% fail? Odds aren’t looking to good for Crissy. What are the odds of her daughter getting a job with her education~ a whole lot better than that even in this economy!

    I think Crissy should read your site Amthrax, and get a ‘FREE EDUCATION’ on what is in store for her with her ‘better than college- brainwashing- education’ w/Team/MV from all of us who have been there & done that and what the RETURN-PAY BACK is on that ‘education system.’ Maybe Crissy believes she will make a whole bunch of money on Team/MV by learning to memorize someone else’s ‘college-educated quotes?’

    We spent way more than $78,000 and enough years for over 4x the ‘college-years degree requirements’ to have our Money & Teams stolen from Orrins- ‘Profit-Sharing/Motivation Indoctinated-Education.’

    What was our return? People destroyed and broken, treated like crap, lied to, deceived, brainwashed and ripped-off! Sound like a good return?

    Crissy thinks college is a SCAM, and her son ‘failed’ 3 times @ 15,000 grand?
    She doesn’t have a clue what she is in store for her with L.I.F.E. Team/MV Motivation!

    How much is she ‘unwilling & unknowingly to Give’ in time & years (she will never get back) because of the indoctrinated garbage she already believes, to the PC/ TEAM scam?

    Hope she doesn’t come back with I’m a ‘better person’ after she spent 4x the years and another 93 grand spent!

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    May 10, 2011 9:01 pm

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  4. switch permalink
    May 11, 2011 9:51 am

    How on earth can anyone call our higher educational system some kind of scam? Would doctors, surgeons, or lawyers get a better education through team???? Geez, people….get real. Look at scholarships, and grants, etc. (IT’S A POSITIVE DEAL!!!) AND if you don’t qualify for these offerings, maybe you should relook your situation.

    I’ll be damned if I fall for one of many team’s “guilt trips” and listen to this person tell all about how rough she supposedly has it in life. As another person asked on that blog, failing 3 times is the education’s fault? This is a CLASSIC example of how team points the fingers elsewhere….has to be everyone elses’ fault but teams’ right?

    From the childhood nightmares that’s supposedly driving her to counseling, to the amount of money she’s giving her children to live their dreams in life…. (I can almost hear her ordering her team around.)

    Asking for donations for good causes is one thing in life but I don’t see the point when someone has to beg and plead for it here and on top of that, add in all the guilt trips, and illegal claims and testimonies for HERSELF to become debt free.

    Up yours Chrissy!

  5. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 11, 2011 6:51 pm

    Good point switch~What would we do without Doctors & Surgeons, and oh boy what would they do without their laywers?

  6. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 11, 2011 7:21 pm

    Well, My spouse and I started our first day of college today!
    Isn’t this ironic?
    Chrissy~ we already KNOW it will pay off.

    We spent well over a decade on the SCAM you believe in and got nothing but an ‘education’ on how to become the best con, by repeating everything mostly without question,( we thought they could be trusted), got our money & teams stolen from us, got ‘educated’/indoctrinated by the dictators and watched ours and our friends businesses get totally destroyed, and divided by these fake guru’s that so many people are expected to worship! That was never OUR goal, so maybe I will turn this hellacious illusion from Hell, of lies & deception, (our experience) into something great, with a college education!
    How’s that for some positive!

    Chrissy, I really feel for you and I read your comments on Juicescam after I posted. Honestly, I saw you are having your own doubts. Seems you come from a well educated family history. That is something to be proud of and I won’t go into the other importances of being educated! We all know there are issues with the education system but you cannot compare the Team so called ‘education’ with a college degree as Amthrax pointed out! Their system is money changing hands (into the PC’s)& ‘brainwashes’ people into giving up everything in every area of your life; For NOTHING but personal & financial destruction; left in its wake.

    You are part of a very expensive ‘social club,’ that people will drop you like a bad habit when you stop giving your money to them for their system! You are paying a hefty price to have some friends and believe me they are not ‘true friends.’

    The most disturbing thing I read was you said something to the effect you AREN’T making any money after 10.5 YEARS! You don’t care if you ever do? You could have probably paid close to your Son’s & Daughters College in cash on the amount of money you have just given to the PC (if you are a real leader & builder and attend EVERYTHING, products, for 10.5 years! etc.) so they can send their kids to college?

    I know some of their kids, and they are great kids but will they go to college? There is a good chance some of them will and probably be encouraged too. Something isn’t adding up here! How could you call college a SCAM? You knew what you were getting for that 93 grand; it was a legitimate education? Did you really not want your kids to go to college and that is why you call it a SCAM?

    You seemed to be totally fine giving as much money as it takes to belong to the TEAM without really expecting, anything in return? This does not make sense.

    TEAM/MV seems to be a social-club for you, (judging by your comments on JS) but how do you not see that as a SCAM and how would you not be totally jacked that 99% of everyone you and every else brings in TEAM/MV never make any money when that is the very reason they get started- 99% LOSE? Do you not know this a fact? That is fine if that is what you truly believe for yourself but that is a very selfish statement. Just because you don’t care, you can bet EVERYONE else DOES and Believes and buys into they will make money, be debt free, job free, pay cash for everything, going to be millionaires, otherwise they wouldn’t get started! Everyone else believes because of the indoctrination and trickery and hype! They end up believing they will have banks full of cash, never have to work again, just like the touted PC, right?

    I see you repeating exactly what they say (without your own thoughts) but I don’t think you believe it and are questioning what you already know to be true.
    Even though you know after 10.5 years and don’t care you will never make any $$! Can you, with a clear conscience bring others in knowing that they 99% do expect, will NEVER make money either? Do yourself a favor and join a free club and attend church! Then at least others won’t be lied to and hurt! And you will win too; you can keep your money!

    It’s a WIN-WIN!

  7. WhoKnew permalink
    May 13, 2011 10:07 am

    People listen this is very very serious. Attend and finish college even if you are going tripple and quad decker crown ambassador. I was in bww for seven years from 2002, built a group of about 55 people and i believed am going all the way to diamond.

    I still had 2 years left for college and i didn’t go back to finish. b/c i bought into the nonsense that college is a waste, etc etc. as taught by many Motivation Organizations. well diamond didn’t happen not even a silver and now i find myself at 39 years without a college degree and in a job that isn’t paying too well and the only option is to go back to college. numbers don’t lie – homes with college grads have favorably higher incomes.

    You know the irony is my uplines were all college grads and had better paying jobs. so they didn’t stress over putting more and more money into the system as much as i did. they also advised their country folks (indians) to complete grad school. these young-ins are no longer involved in amway and of course have good careers just like the uplines.

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT
    Notice how the upline kingpins boast that college education for their kids is paid upfront no matter what university they select to attend? if the amway business was so good why secure college costs upfront? why even consider college? why don’t all the kingpins get their kids to start building amway after high school and forget about attending college, and in fact, if they have to force the kids not to dare attend college? after all it’s a ripoff right? why do these kingpins prudly state their academic achievements as we see here and on stage?

    Besides, truth is not everybody will participate in amway to diamond level or other mlm’s bc they want to find fulfillment in other fields like medicine, etc. regardless of the pay (mostly that is usually acceptable and comfortable or they deal with their situation, at least without amway/mlm incomes). if everyone become a diamond with truckloads of cash and that is all they did and a kingpin got really sick would he want to be seen by an experienced qualified doctor or wwdb triple diamond greg duncan who dropped out of med school bc he built a big amway business? i know of a diamond who’s house went up in flames as he was speaking in another city. he talked about how firefighters were helpful with his family. well now, if diamond is the only thing to do why did he bother calling the fire department? would you say kingpin hypocrisy?

    You who is building the amway business don’t take everything from your uplines with your eyes closed. Don’t do amway but if you have to, do it with your eyes open and think for yourself (sigh) i know it’s a tall order (to think for yourself) but know you read it somewhere. i take responsibility that i didn’t do that and i have to correct my situation.

  8. May 13, 2011 2:34 pm

    Oh Cripes.

    There isn’t a college on the planet that wouldn’t be offended at being compared to Woodward’s TEAM “education”

    Woodward is a joke.

  9. webelieved permalink
    May 13, 2011 4:16 pm

    Who knew- Thanks for sharing! It really makes me angry and sad to hear your story. I too spent years and years of much more than 40 hours a week building Team and Amway. I did make money, then had it stolen by my upline. I can tell you if I had worked that hard in college I would have beyond a Phd. It is sad to me I bought into it too. even if you “make It” It is not your business and can be destroyed and taken away whenever the guru wants to. So sad. How I wish I could get those years back for myself, my future and my family. Now we are starting over with absolutely nothing. No retirement savings, no education, no nothing except a lot of useless cds with useless info claiming it is useful. It’s only useful to brainwash you to believe and spend your money in my opinion. I wouldn’t give the trash away.

  10. webelieved permalink
    May 13, 2011 4:19 pm

    P.s. I would guess 95% of my downline lost money. So my results were far from typical in the making money dept and it took years to make a profit on my taxes. And it was mostly build and replace. I believe it went from bad to worse with the coercion and deceptive practices that are being reported to be used in Team now. I am soooo glad I am done.

  11. webelieved permalink
    May 13, 2011 8:35 pm

    Who Knew- I would also agree I bet all the supreme team leaders kids will go to college for sure or live off their parents income. I bet none of them will build “the business’. This will be really telling hey? It must be very hard to have your parents available only part time for you… always serving everyone else and not their own kids…. either they are building the business or on their phones, or when their is fun it is a promotion for thier team, …..or trying to figure out who will be the next teambot, the waitress, the host, the gas station attendant??? People are looked at like a piece of meat, It is like vultures on a gut pile. The interesting thing is when you stop spending your money on Team you will be treated like you never existed. Just our experience.

  12. Lyk permalink
    August 1, 2011 12:59 pm

    You all will be talking about money and education but for once I am not against both college or team .. both have gains and losses .. I was told by my high school coach for wrestling “its not whether you lose or win, Its your attitude after that makes you a champion” you can complain, complain and complain but it wont do nothing for those who don’t. we cant change the world this way there are still 3rd world countries and kids that dont have hope tell them how wrong things are over in the states they would laugh..

  13. Lyk permalink
    August 1, 2011 1:14 pm

    Lots of butthurt people in here lol

  14. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 1, 2011 1:21 pm

    LYK~ We aren’t on here to complain, complain, complain, you obviously haven’t read the site, and again you don’t have a CLUE what we do, but that’s ok, pretty typical just come on to pass your judgement.

    Hope to God you don’t go try and ‘sign up’ anyone in the 3rd world countries with your false hope, although they might teach you a lesson or 2 on GREED.

  15. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 1, 2011 1:29 pm

    Let me guess your ‘high school coach’ is on the team, not bad advice, give him a pat on the back from us. 🙂 Let me ask you, has he ever spoke to rape, or incest, victims? Would his advice be the same or how about Bernie Madoffs wife and victims. No ONE on here is against ‘a positive’ attitude, but it is overrated as serves the agenda, and if it is USED to stifle your criticical thinking then that would be more like sticking your head in the sand. Hope that clears things up for you. 🙂

  16. switch permalink
    August 1, 2011 1:37 pm

    Please share the gains of both college and team, Lyk.

  17. Lyk permalink
    August 2, 2011 11:47 am

    Oh right my opinion is just as good as yours I forgot(or not). Alright i read some of the Website and what i have found is that is not complain complain complain… its complain, some truth and lost hope ..better? I know third world people cant afford such a business so that’s out of the question.. And yes I agree they would tell me something about greed since i visited such places.. nope my coach is not on team bad guess though you had a 50-50 chance to guess right.. lol positivity is overrated? that’s just wrong to say in many levels but i forgot your above me so everyone must agree *shudders* Uh my family is victim of Such and $hit like that so i know a thing or two about it and I’m sure people(my coach) is being strong and not naive for counseling …. do you know about it too? Oh i learned a lot of info reading from this website and i thank you for the info that is all@Speak Your Truth… i will just read your response

    gains for joining team are knowing more people and being directed to this site? and college you have a carrier opportunity. Nothing is written in stone if you would make it in both..

  18. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 2, 2011 1:03 pm

    Lyk~ Let me know the ‘truth’ you found.

    What ‘class’ of people do you think can afford to throw away at least $500 per month to never make a profit of the 99% who don’t? It is a losing proposition. That is just fact, that isn’t even considering the corruption.

    Did I say my opinion was better than yours? NO, so you can quit whinning. I haven’t lost any hope, as a matter of fact I have real hope and not some fantansy and false hope. We realized what false hope was, after Orrin and the PC showed their true character and destructed, slandered, lied, about us and stole our team profit-sharing and teams as he did to all those who left with the exception of some who while still in never got their earned ‘profit-sharing’ stolen.

    When you deny your true self and true feelings and PRETEND everything is POSITIVE,(as the team does, see cults) it isn’t just overrated it is a LIE and it is a Denial of your true self. Not sure how you missed the point.

    Maybe you ought to read freedom of mind website the bite model, Steve Hassan books, Robert Lifton, and Margarette Singer or pick your choice of any cult expert you would like, I’m pretty sure this could help you.

    Nope my family is not a vicitim rape or incest or Bernie Madoff scam, but we are surviors (victim) of the TEAM SCAM, Orrin and the PC betrayal, lies,deception and destruction. I don’t know if you intentional missed that point or just didn’t get it.

    Did you join the team for a ‘social club’ for “knowing more people” or to become ‘financial free’ lol? There is all kinds of FREE social clubs.

    You seriously don’t have a clue, what we did, what size of team, how much money or time we lost in the TEAM; do you? Little more than the losses and gains, but then how would you know.

    Interesting you say one of the ‘gains’ for joining team was being directed to this site, care to elaborate?

  19. switch permalink
    August 2, 2011 2:00 pm

    Yep, totally missed the point, Lyk.

    In college you KNOW FOR A FACT you’re getting a very professional, well rounded, education/training from highly trained professors/instructors. Whether it’s set in stone is entirely up to that individual. “nothing is written in stone”…. my ass.

    Show me what the “business of the future” has for lawyers, doctors, and law enforcement. Who needs them, when you have the team, right?

  20. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 2, 2011 2:45 pm

    Switch LHOL 🙂

  21. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 2, 2011 5:15 pm

    Most people on here are cult survivors but those still in are victims of it.

  22. Lyk permalink
    August 3, 2011 5:10 am

    well some truth is that orrin really doesnt want to come in here for lots of reasons and that he should

    i agree it takes lots of money somehow you managed to pay though while i just pay for ebc

    oh so basically no ones opinion is better than others? so we are basically stating truths and ranting i can live with this site… Oh so you really had it bad then Im uh really grateful that hasnt happened to me I guess yet?

    well nothing is trully always positive i agree to that much well im learning to get it .. right i did some research on cults and apparently there are many so uh this can be one too apparently to a certain extent really..

    well i just wanted to be around a cheery group and yeah be “free” whatever that means yep im part of a free social club too i just like to learn from others from multiple areas..

    right i have no idea well both team and this website showed me that no matter what you do there will be negativity.

    oh so your saying that the top 7 and 12 are fake man this site a scam too then http://leadershipgurus.net/leadershipgurus30.php

    oh so you say @switch that:”Whether it’s set in stone is entirely up to that individual.” that people can make it in team if its left to the individual?

    lol they did say the business is not for everyone @switch *shudders*

  23. switch permalink
    August 4, 2011 11:37 am

    Lyk says-
    “lol they did say the business is not for everyone …..”

    Oh, you’re damn right, it isn’t for everyone, AND it definitely takes the right person to do it, doesn’t it? You fit right in. Funny how they promote the HELL out of “ANYBODY COULD DO THIS BUSINESS” up on stage but when called out for lying and deceiving people they come back with, “this business isn’t for everyone”. Complete DENIAL, YOU A$$!!!

    Ironic how you think this is F’ing hilarious when you see nothing wrong with jumping from livingroom to livingroom spreading ILLEGAL claims and testimonies about your fraudulent fruit punch that YES, YOU FRONT FOR THE TEAM all in hopes for a return of someone giving you their CREDIT CARD NUMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 4, 2011 12:49 pm

    LYK~

    You seem pretty condeseding, you are getting trained well I see by that ‘cheery group of people’; and you seem to claim to know Orwel well, so why don’t you shed some light on the ‘lots of reasons’ he doesn’t want to come on here. LOL

    It’s pretty evident to us why he don’t, but let’s hear it.

    Yep, that’s what we are saying, they are fake and a lot of other things too, but you can figure that out for yourself.

    Why don’t you share what you found out about your ‘apparently there is a lot of them’; ‘research’ you did on cults. LHOL

  25. switch permalink
    August 4, 2011 2:27 pm

    You think Lyk has done any research on Bonnie and Clyde?

    Now, that’s one “system” that goes waaaaaaay back.

  26. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 4, 2011 3:11 pm

    Switch~ LHOL

    We will see but from the weak reguritated statement that came from the upline, I would wager Lyk ‘researched’ Bonnie & Clyde about as much as she/he ‘researched’ cults. 🙂

  27. Lyk permalink
    August 6, 2011 12:13 pm

    yeah it takes lots of effort so i guess not you guys though you guys got duped or something, well its up to the person if they want to do the business .. your really misleading,
    If its so illegal then why isn’t it stopped? why not change your credit card?

    ah nah i decide what will make me change and there are some good things I learned from team and I will mold what i learned for myself. well cause apparently orrin doesnt like butthurt people lol i really dont know but i just know he is already fighting for something he believes in and he wont stop no matter what..

    right ill keep reading all the sob storys and learn for myself and get no help from you guys since you dont seem to want to help me in the first place.

    ah i reasearched cults from wiki i mainly saw this “The word implies a group which is a minority in a given society.” this site is in the minority in my opinion but yeah i tried to consider the rest of the word in wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult though you might think this website is a scam too so idk and there are lots of things in minority

  28. Steve (Peachy) permalink
    August 6, 2011 3:45 pm

    Maybe i’m the only one here, but would someone be kind enough to translate into english Lyk’s latest post. I would like to try to have a conversation with Lyk, but its tough if I can’t read what is posted.

  29. Lyk permalink
    August 6, 2011 8:10 pm

    Oh i was in a hurry when i posted sorry (or not)

  30. TOD permalink
    August 6, 2011 8:52 pm

    I can translate, steve.

    TEAM is great and you did not work hard enough. You are all quitters.

  31. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 6, 2011 9:28 pm

    Steve~

    Totally agree,I have felt that from the beginning the communication is very confusing and makes you wonder. Lyk acts like she/he knows so much about Orrin then can’t answer questions? So, not even sure why she/he is here. Might as well find a different place to play, maybe a ‘positive’ propaganda site can figure it out, or go to the all knowing upline, cause it is going to get pretty lonely here. Maybe the poor soul just wants to be heard? 😉

  32. Lyk permalink
    August 6, 2011 11:48 pm

    Oh yep my communication is bad I admit.. oh right I didn’t answer the questions though why should I?- this website is great as it is already. Hm nah I like both negative or positive I can deal with it and not get butthurt like some on here lol. Well anything I do is up to me but I’ll take your advise to consideration. To bad you didn’t find this site before you whatever happened to you. Hm you don’t know me so you can’t say poor soul. But I’m glad I am heard?

  33. Steve (Peachy) permalink
    August 7, 2011 6:07 am

    There’s a big difference in being heard, than being understood.

  34. One time Fly that sat at the Team Conference Table permalink
    August 7, 2011 6:36 am

    Lyk, what you fail to understand is we all understand we’re not here for folks like you. We know that we can’t change your mind. Only time and continual loss of your money to the pockets of OW and his circus clowns will change your mind. I happen to really enjoy the challenge of trying to decipher your comments, sorta like a 4th grade word search puzzle!

    It’s the comments from folks like you, Rykel, Ryan (the unemployed musician) andthe other blind followers of the self named “gurus” that allow us to keep this blog a living breathing documentary of the LIE that is TEAM.

  35. switch permalink
    August 7, 2011 7:45 am

    Are you kidding me?……. This is the team education system talking. It’s just too bad they don’t have a chapter/class on social retardation.

    Lyk says-
    “oh right I didn’t answer the questions though why should I?”

    Sooner or later, you’ll have these questions being asked directly towards you in person. Not being able to answer the questions up front AT ALL is a red flag. And don’t ask the question, “why should I?”….That’s a clear statement of you huddling up with your a-hole “mentor” and taking his advice. Tell him to get on here, that chicken $hit.

    You’re apart of something “SPECIAL”, “BEING IN THE RIGHT SPOT AT THE RIGHT TIME”, correct?????????

    You should have NO PROBLEM answering ANY question at all, then.

  36. August 7, 2011 8:39 am

    Just curious….how do we expect Lyk to answer any questions, when they can’t even form a sentence? Appears to just be a troll……….FAIL. Moving on………….

  37. Lyk permalink
    August 7, 2011 12:26 pm

    oh you finally realized im a troll took you awhile no wonder you guys were screwed over in team. But i learned a lot again from many websites on how you give up on a individual and putting them down .. Your team on this website is just not nice., though i dont want to be butthurt like you guys so have a nice life whatever is left of it.

  38. switch permalink
    August 7, 2011 12:44 pm

    I guess that’s another point that can come into play here, punisher. The more he types, the deeper he digs his hole. His comments/posts are solid proof for the reader.

    Is this how they show the plan now? Beating around the bush, lying, and deceiving the innocent who think their cash is going to a great cause? Damn,….. I see nothing really has changed.

    Lyk is a classic example who’s been deceived, duped, conned, lied to, and taken to the bank over fruit punch, and this so called dream they sell.

  39. Steve (Peachy) permalink
    August 7, 2011 1:44 pm

    Lykwise Like, have a life nice.

  40. Lyk permalink
    August 7, 2011 2:50 pm

    Oh my you guys are so easily offended best site ever! You take things to seriously.

  41. August 7, 2011 4:55 pm

    Switch – You have to remember….this is a “Business” anybody can do! LOL. This guy is just playing….

    Lyk – You are fun…. I enjoy your crazy fun..”english is my second language” posts! LOL!!

  42. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 7, 2011 5:38 pm

    I’d say, lay off the sauce or is there an F in the lie that teaches basic 3rd grade English, may turn out to be helpful. 🙂

    He sure is getting enough practice on the spelling of ‘butthurt’. That must be his new favorite ‘cool’ word?

    I think you have it Lyk, now move on to the next word, then you can work on your sentence structure.

    Good Luck, but you really ought to find an online blog that you can practice on rather than this one, cause you really are embarrassing yourself. Well, least your on topic, perhaps you are the new poster child for the ‘team education.’ 🙂 You can do it!!

  43. Lyk permalink
    August 7, 2011 7:49 pm

    Lol English is my third language. Lol that’s not a cool word at all, its the only word i can think of when it comes to you guys.

    lol I don’t see how its embarrassing its the internet for crying out loud, if you care for what people say on the internet then you are taking it to seriously LMAO
    I’ll do whatever i want as long as i dont get screwed by team lol

  44. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 7, 2011 7:59 pm

    The word that comes to my mind is sociopath. Glad your enjoy yourself lyk.

  45. Cali ~ permalink
    August 7, 2011 8:25 pm

    Speak- lol thank you so much I thought I couldn’t understand his posts because I was so hung up on what “butthurt” even meant. I guess getting bent over and taking it from the TEAM you would end up “butthurt.”

  46. August 7, 2011 8:48 pm

    Lyk – Well…. we can both agree on than man! Don’t get screwed by Team! Keep reading and working on the third language man! Proud of ya… fired up….

  47. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 7, 2011 8:55 pm

    Cali~

    Doesn’t surprise me, and is pretty telling of the type of person, pretty sick & twisted.
    Must have been deprived and now starving for attention. He makes a statement about not getting help from us. I think he is looking for a psychaitrist and if not, should be. 🙂

  48. switch permalink
    August 8, 2011 7:09 am

    Lyk says-
    “oh you finally realized im a troll took you awhile no wonder you guys were screwed over in team. But i learned a lot again from many websites on how you give up on a individual and putting them down .. Your team on this website is just not nice., though i dont want to be butthurt like you guys so have a nice life whatever is left of it.”

    We’re just not nice???????????? You’re obviously not seeing the whole point of this site and our posts. In YOUR view, we’re not nice because we’re shedding the truth on what happened. The truth/posts are very sour, yes but how the hell can you blame them? Not one of us has jumped on ANYONE for coming forward with their story, only the ones who are blinded by the deception and come on here with absolutely nothing to offer as far as a legitimate debate goes…. Frustration comes into play ALOT here because we can tell when someone’s been conned and not willing to listen or read.

    Lyk also said-
    “right ill keep reading all the sob storys and learn for myself and get no help from you guys since you dont seem to want to help me in the first place.”

    Oh, so this is about “helping you”, now???????…… How must I forget….. it’s all about helping the life coach, here. That’s the way it always should be. Shame on us.
    \

    So, let me ask you this….what did you do this past weekend? Glued to some team meeting or stage where you were commanded to take notes on selling the dream and spending more time with the family? If you weren’t there, how were you looking at everyone around you? “How can I get him/her to join the team”? How much time did you invest in having that train of thought/mentality in your mind?

    Let us know when your head is out of the team toilet, have stopped giving yourself swirlies and come to the realization that we’re here to help you rather than be your enemy…..and btw, bank robberies are illegal too and they haven’t stopped have they?

  49. August 8, 2011 8:50 am

    The conversation with @Lyk is going nowhere but down the toilet drain hole. While flame wars can sometimes be entertaining, they can also distract and deflect from the real conversation. Lyk has done a good job of proving his or her credentials (education and TEAM) on this thread. Further back and forth comments proving this point are no longer necessary and may be moderated in the future.

  50. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 8, 2011 10:39 am

    Thank You~ Amthrax! He admitted he was a Troll.

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