MonaVie Black Diamond Rick Gutman Leaves For Visalus
This news broke about a week ago. I read that Black Diamond Rick Gutman has left For Visalus after five years in MonaVie on The MLM Attorney (written by the former legal counsel to TEAM). In this YouTube video, he cites MonaVie’s retention rate is 5-10% while Visalus is 20%. He also talks about a more balanced profit plan between the top, bottom and middle (give it a few years and it will look just like MonaVie).
Rick Gutman joins another former Black Diamond, Robert Dean. There’s another rumor that Brian and Jill Cattano have left MonaVie for Visalus as well.
What I remember most of Rick Gutman was his video on the MonaVie Media website “prospecting” people in the parking lot of a strip mall. No surprise, but this video is nowhere to be found on MonaVie’s website anymore. My suspicions about the sketchiness of the video were confirmed when I came across this link in which Michael Cheryl writes:
We are the people in this videoRick Gutman set the whole thing up. You should take this down. We did not give permission to put this on line. Do you really think Rick is that Good.
Some random things from watching the video and reading the comments on this Business For Home blog post:
- Rick says that he wasn’t paid to join Visalus.
- Rick used to be part of Brig Hart’s R3Global, but apparently was kicked out.
- Some comments point out that Rick hasn’t qualified Black Diamond for some time.
- Watch the body language with his hands. Did he think the camera would crop that out?
The comments on this are especially interesting to read. There’s a lot of backstabbing going on between Rick supporters and detractors. One from Lance Smith, Blue Diamond Executive in MonaVie, though stands out from the crowd:
I don’t know you personally but I know your situation very well. I have been full time in the industry for over 22 years and I have seen many people in your spot change companies. We will miss you over here at Monavie and hope you do well… just do it with class.
There are two roads you can choose here;
First, You can let people know that you didn’t have much of a group left, hadn’t really built the business in a year or so, then go contact some new people and go knock it out of the park. If this is what you do, I will be cheering for you along with many others.
It will be great for you as a person, great for Visalus, and great for our industry.
However, If you act like you left Monavie as a qualified Black Diamond, then try to recruit everyone you have met crossline and downline as though you never stopped building, then bad mouth the company that paid you over a million dollars back in the day when you were actually working it, you should have a hard time looking in the mirror.
One of the easiest things to do when you lose your entire group is to jump into another company and try to use the credibility you received from your crossline friends to rape their group. I pray that is not the case here.
Visalus is a good company with some great people at the corporate level and in the field. Blake Mallen is someone I respect and my wife’s cousin is a three star ambassador.
I do wish you and the company success… just do it the right way.
Karma is alive and well in this industry and what you sow is what you will reap.
Monavie Blue Diamond Executive
This is another good comment from the same blog post. I’ve added some paragraph breaks for easier reading:
The TRUTH July 5, 2011 at 7:15 am
JFK – MVP- NOTAFAN are probably Todd Hartog, Joe Licciardi or these other Black Diamond idiots who can never and will never be able to build a downline again in their lives. Dont all of you get it?? Monavie was simply the perfect storm…a 2 year storm that caused only a handful of people to make a ton of money. And those handful of people caused false hope in thousands that to this day think ” I just have to sponsor one good one” or now the story has changed since the US is dead and the story is ” BUILD INTERNATIONAL” when none of these poor people have any ability to build a downline here in the US let alone internationally.
Rick Gutman is not the first black diamond to leave nor will he be the last as 80% of them DONT MAKE ANY REAL MONEY ANYMORE!!! Their downlines are gone!!!!!! Do you really think all these black diamonds actually still qualify as black Diamonds? Oh did you think they qualify to go on these trips? NO!!! The company has to pay for them to go to cancun take pictures smile and give the same story as always “someday you can be here too”.
If the company doesnt do this then the reality sets in…..that monavie is dead in the US, and pretty soon will be dead internationally. Notice they dont make an income disclosure statement anymore? Notice all of a sudden Brig isnt at the top of the income earners list on business for home?
The thing is a sinking ship! You really think the new Black diamond actually made it??? Come on now that was a gift from Uncle Steve. Rick just basically stopped drinking the cool aid, and in all honesty hes going to go ride the visalus cool aid for a little bit as soon that will die down too.
PEOPLE WE HAVE THE INTERNET NOW, THIS ISNT THE 80s WHEN NO ONE KNEW OTHER COMPANIES WERE FORMING, MLM WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN as PEOPLE NOW HAVE ACCESS TO SEE OTHER COMPANIES FORMING! MOnavie is falling apart at the seems!
Want proof, I dare you to grow some _____ and go walk to your black diamond right now and ask them to open up their back office and SHOW THEM THEIR PAY CHECK. GO Ahead, but only do it unless you are ready to finally stop drinking the kool aid, and wasting your life chasing a fake dream that was created during the perfect storm of the US economic meltdown between 2006-2008. Are you ready for the truth? Ask to see any Black Diamonds money history in the last 12-35 months…….and get ready for the truth.
Who do you believe? Is the truth somewhere in-between? Could everyone be telling the parts of the truth?