Feature Comment from the Web: Greatest American of this Day
I don’t know if this is a joke or not, but it sure seems like a legitimate comment about the Supreme TEAM Leader, Orrin Woodward. I found this comment on Lazy Man’s website in his post Orrin Woodward, Scams, MonaVie, Team, and Lies… Oh My!. Bold emphasis below is mine:
Darren Bravenec says:
July 14, 2011 at 7:55 am
I can’t believe that people believe what others put on websites such as this. before anyone goes out and bashes the greatest American of this day why don’t you go to a TEAM seminar or Major convention and meet the man for yourself. I guarantee you that if you go and don’t fall in love with the TEAM and want to follow Mr. Woodward then anyone in that building, will gladly give you your money back for the ticket.
I have been a part of TEAM and MonaVie for over a year now and have definitely invested more money into it than I have made but had I not joined the TEAM I never would have got the education that I have now. I have a Mentor who very seldom mentors me about my TEAM business but mentors my wife and I in our marriage and with our finances. He has definitely invested way more time and money into my wife and then they have made of of us.
I would not be married right now, have a strong relationship with my savior Jesus Christ, or have pruchased my first home with out the education that I have from the TEAM.
July 29th-31st in Columbus Ohio we are having a major leadership convention and I will guarantee that if you buy the $125 ticket and stay for the entire function and don’t get something out of it and don’t change your mind about Orrin and the Team then I will refund your money for the ticket.
I make $30k a year but I am that confident in the TEAM that you will feel God’s presence in that building and you will want to be apart of what the TEAM has to offer and the 8F’s of life that we focus on.
I cannot help but feel sorry for you and honestly have laughed through your entire post.:)
First don’t take this wrong you are very naive and just know what I say, I say from a humble standpoint to you. I do know how you feel, we felt the same way, and this is what we found.
We have been to more than 156 of those seminars, and at least 52 major, so I we have surpassed the ‘2’ you are expecting. This is not counting any turbo, RT, or any other special ‘leadership’ meetings, and also not counting the months where we went to more than 1 seminar. We have spoken on many Team stages in many different states.
We have known Orrin for almost 2 decades. Have been to their houses numerous times and have been up close and very personal with them for years; had a direct ‘line’ to them. Listened to THOUSANDs (plural) Cd.s, read hundreds of books, from the system and have had multiples of thousands in our group and you could take that number times 10 and that is how many have quit in our group. It is build and replace. We have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars building those teams to a have it all stolen by Orrin and PC. Do we qualify?
You are ‘aclueistic’ (clueless) who Orrin really is.
This is what WE found;
Orrin is a lot of things but he is not the greatest American guy of this day, not according to what we and thousands of others believe and experienced. You can believe what you choose, but I will warn you now that is a very dangerous assumption, and conclusion to draw.
Orrin and others, have bold-faced lied to us, stolen our profit-sharing based on lies and slander, cheated and destructed our groups, and for the sake of this post becoming extremely long, I won’t go into it all; they have done many, many, other unethical, illegal, and immoral things.
Go to Amthrax’s blog to get the rest. Check out the leaders that have dumped Orrin/TEAM, some, I spoke to and know personally they feel the opposite of you and not a one of those we know, think Orrin is the greatest American guy. Quite the contrary.
You obviously haven’t visited Pastor Dickies church or you would know better than to say what you have said. Why don’t you tell your ‘mentor’ you would like to make that your church home? :):)
Also, you aren’t telling anyone anything new, we know the TEAM goes into churches and some even switched churches when they get saturated, so that they can have more recruits, just like they ‘contact’ in any venue, church or otherwise.
Does this sound even remotely like the right reason to attend church or that they are building the Church body for God or their business?
Do you live on an island that has no churches or do you not own a free phone book?
Here’s my point, you say you did not have a church to go until your ‘upline’ invited you to go to theirs? Whoa, please think on that one for a while and everything else you have said.
Darren,Please do YOUR research on the history of Orrin and the Team, (there is too much you do not know) for the sake of your own financial and spiritual future (you say you haven’t made money; compound that yearly on your current losses.)
Please read the articles on here and Amthrax’s with an objective mind, STOP the Team Speak in your mind and ask; What would all these people that have had YEARS of experience with Orrin and Team have to gain by telling you the truth, as opposed Orrin/’your mentor have, that are protecting their ‘multi-millions’; to get you to BELIEVE what THEY want you to? What if, those on here are right?
Darren you are blindly following a broken system where your chances of EVER making a profit are slim to none, with some major corruption, lies and deceit.
Educate yourself from JS research/articles on this site along with the others and cult sites and books.
I sincerely feel bad for you; your niaveness is and will be your pitfall. You my friend are blinded.
Answer the poll below. Is Orrin Woodward the Greatest American of this day?