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Dissecting the New TEAM FAQ

January 27, 2012

There’s a new FAQ on the TEAM web site. The following sections no doubt will spur much discussion here.

Do some people make money on the sale of TEAM leadership materials?

Yes, based upon the amount of total TEAM profits (if any) left over at the end of each month. Those who participate at this level are called Directors. The TEAM invites certain individuals to become Directors from a pool of business builders who have proven their ability to build and lead successful teams of people. Directors must exhibit high character, integrity, professionalism, teamwork, people skills, consistency, and the ability to help the other Directors run and manage the TEAM training environment.

This is one of the few written declarations that there is money to be made in TEAM (i.e. not just in the LIFE, MonaVie, or formerly Amway/Quixtar businesses).

How did the TEAM get its start, and why? And how do those economics work today?

When Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady began their business careers they unknowingly joined an organization in which profits were weighted towards those who “got there first.” They didn’t like this situation and vowed to fix it. As a result, in 1999 they formed the TEAM, with the goal of developing the fairest, most equitable plan to share 100% of the profits remaining each month. This, in fact, caused many rival organizations to attack them as they made an issue of, made public, and sought to end the unfair distribution of profit from training materials.

Orrin and Chris unknowingly joined Amway or InterNET (Dexter Yager’s Amway Motivational Organization)? I’d like to hear that story explained a little better. I especially like the line about them not liking the situation and vowing to fix it. Seems like this is the reason why many MLM training organization leaders break away from their uplines — to form their own systems. To me, it always boils down to greed; Orrin and Chris wanted more money for themselves, so they broke away from Yager and started TEAM.

The TEAM FAQ continues with:

No one, not Orrin Woodward, Chris Brady, nor any of the other Team Policy Council leaders makes any money from ownership of the TEAM. Nor do they receive consideration for any travel related (or otherwise) expenses necessary for their responsibilities therein. All profits (revenue minus expenses) are pooled at the end of each month and disbursed based upon each Director’s performance. In other words, any character-based leader can build an organization bigger than the founders on a per-organization basis and make more money than anyone else.

I’d like to see an example of how someone can build a TEAM business that’s bigger than someone like Orrin Woodward or Chris Brady, two individuals who “got there first.”

What if someone who was previously invited to become a Director doesn’t maintain the standards of character and ethics requisite to that honor?

The TEAM is a “grace” organization, seeking to restore people in a spirit of love and understanding. However, if someone continues to violate the core principles of character, integrity, and conflict resolution, then he or she will not be invited to continue as a Director. Until he or she address the character-based issues, it is simply too dangerous to the rest of the community.

Has anyone ever been disinvited as a Director?

Yes. However, and thankfully, there have been less than five instances out of nearly five hundred Directors over the course of twelve years in which character issues have not been resolved. The TEAM wins when others win, so the goal is always to restore relationships where possible. With that said, however, no one will be allowed to exploit others for their personal gain within the TEAM community. Anytime lack of character is displayed, the Policy Council will and must act out of duty to protect the entire community against destructive behavior.

There is also the condition wherein a Director stops leading his or her organization and thereby stops contributing to the work requisite to leading and managing productive teams. In these cases, character and ethics are not the problem but rather leadership and participation. In these situations, obviously, Directors are not invited to continue participating until their contribution becomes requisite with the position.

Curious to hear how those former high-level TEAM members think about what’s written in the TEAM FAQ. It’s clear to me that these last two sections are talking about some of the ex-TEAM members who have been commenting on this site.

36 Comments leave one →
  1. Freedomhaha permalink
    January 27, 2012 7:07 am

    “There is also the condition wherein a Director stops leading his or her organization and thereby stops contributing to the work requisite to leading and managing productive teams. In these cases, character and ethics are not the problem but rather leadership and participation. In these situations, obviously, Directors are not invited to continue participating until their contribution becomes requisite with the position.”

    Seems to me that this totally destroys the thought of a residual income. You are never “free” they even say it themselves! Unless you trade time for money the money goes away!!

  2. January 27, 2012 7:33 am

    I remember being told that Tim’s business was bigger than Brady’s and he was making more money than Chris. But how could they ever prove this?

    I remember telling prospects this line all the time, “you could conceivable make more money than Orrin someday”. I just never understood how that could be possible.

    I still don’t….and never will…because…it is NOT possible…

    The “Director” discussion with my upline was always so vague. I felt like everytime I brought it up he’d equivocate. I just wanted to understand how it worked so I could know what to do to become one. Sometimes he’d say you just need to have 12 on each leg and you’d become one, then later on he’d say you have to be voted in. Then even later on than that, he’d say they only vote once (or twice, can’t remember) a year and you don’t get to become one even if you qualify until they vote you in during that specific time.

    Why couldn’t they just spell this stuff out from the beginning?! Honestly, I prolly would’ve accepted it at the time (as I walked deeper into the fog) if they were just clear about it. At least I would’ve had a goal to pursue that would drive me harder. My friend almost dumped $2k from savings to load up on MV so he could be Star something-or-other in order to qualify to be voted in as Director at the coming Major. Because he’d miss that round and have to wait another 6 months or something to get voted in.

    That is all just weirdness. He was pretty discouraged and frustrated our upline hadn’t explained the situation better sooner so he could understand how things worked. What’s even more weird is…MY FRIEND IS STILL IN THE BIZ even after that mess. I guess the fog was too thick for him to see through.

    Thank God the “truth has set me free” from TEAM..free indeed.

  3. littledufflebagboy permalink
    January 27, 2012 8:25 am

    I thinks it funny they are putting this FAQ page up now. must be doing a lot of bench marking on this site. TEAM AMTHRAX !!! 🙂

  4. switch permalink
    January 27, 2012 8:38 am

    Unbelievable……

    “The TEAM is a “grace” organization, seeking to restore people in a spirit of love and understanding.”

    Currently heading for the porcelain throne….I’ll be right back.

  5. January 27, 2012 9:25 am

    Added a few more comments in the original post about Orrin and Chris’ breaking away from Yager. At the end of the day, they broke away because — like nearly all those before them — they wanted a bigger slice of the tool profits pie.

  6. Team Liberation Front permalink
    January 27, 2012 11:17 am

    You guys are all crazy!!!! Teams gonna change the world one living room at a time!

  7. Team Liberation Front permalink
    January 27, 2012 11:26 am

    Just kidding!!! Gotcha….. Truth be told I can no longer read this site and be silent. I am so tired of seeing the destruction the team causes in people’s lives. The hurt, the ruined relationships, the financial ruin, and even stress related health problems. I pity these mind numbed zombies that follow these “leaders” no matter what the price may be. I’ve watched people who have been in the business for years never making a penny (losing thousands), yet they remain loyal to these charlatans and false profits. It’s laughable and pathetic to watch turbo zeros follow their upline whose sins are so numerous and evil, yet they just do what they say regardless of the price. They s

  8. January 27, 2012 11:28 am

    @Team Liberation Front – Do you care to elaborate on why we’re all crazy? Has any of the information contained on this site raised any questions in your mind regarding TEAM and its leadership?

    Update: Didn’t see your second post, which looks like it got cut off. Can you finish what you were trying to say?

  9. Team Liberation Front permalink
    January 27, 2012 11:47 am

    Oops….rookie mistake. These turbo nothing’s leave churches, stop talking to family, spread lies and falsehoods about others, and leave a path of ruin wherever they go all because their upline owns them. It never even occurs to them to question there upline! They just blindly follow wherever they go, whatever they say, whichever the newest business model may be, however far they have to travel to go to the next life changing meeting, and however much they have to spend on tools to fix themselves and then society. Imagine how great it is to be able to change your life 4 times a year!!!! After 11 years you’d think you’d be pretty darn good. How embarrassing it must be to tell your upline every 4 months “this weekend really changed me, I’m so fired up!!! You can count on me, I’m making this work no matter what!” Haha I’ve heard that hundreds of times, I have to admit I probably said it few times too (which I’m ashamed to of). After this weekend they’re gonna be out in full force, blowing up their names list contacting and re-contacting old members to let them know things are different this time. Orrin and Chris really made the pay plan lucrative and on and on. Makes me wanna puke. I can’t wait to watch this ship sink. If you look closely you can see people getting on the lifeboats as we speak, starting back at ground zero rejoining the workforce. It’s sad because there are some good people that still have blinders on and I
    pray that they get the truth and listen to it. Anyways feels good to vent. Probably a little repetitive, but I’m FIRED UP!!!!!! PS I hope you turbo zeros read this…..you know who you are.

  10. Speak Your Truth permalink
    January 27, 2012 12:14 pm

    Welcome Team Liberation Front! 🙂 Hope you continue to share your experiences and the truth…Glad you are free and can tell you are sick and tired of the lies. Feels good to release the oppressed truth and dump the fake and phony misleaders. Welcome to your freedom!

  11. Team Liberation Front permalink
    January 27, 2012 4:22 pm

    How is it that people who have no character can be judge and jury of others character?

  12. January 27, 2012 4:53 pm

    Oh my goodness what a load of bull shizzle! And I thought BWW was bad. But then again they are all of the same ilk. Well what do MLM shysters “leaders” like to say, that principles of success don’t change over time. I say neither does the core and goal of MLMer kingpins’ greed!

  13. Speak Your Truth permalink
    January 27, 2012 4:53 pm

    Great Point Team Liberation and we know the truth…can’t! Just their way to justify the lies, deception and corruption.

  14. Speak Your Truth permalink
    January 27, 2012 5:01 pm

    Amthrax~

    Great Article sure they are following!!!

    What company on the planet tries to cover up their lies, deception, and corruption through a ‘faq page’….these guys continue to show the world just who they really are!

    Exambot~

    Are you thinking of the quote?: “Methods are many, Principles are few…Methods change…but Principles never do.” I like your comments and posts.

  15. Team Liberation Front permalink
    January 27, 2012 5:14 pm

    Wow!!! Webelieved you really blew the lid off of that! These people obviously have no conscience. I would hate to have to stand before All Mighty God to give an account for their corrupted souls. How can this house of cards even remain standing? How do you even sleep at night living such a life of lies and betrayel? Then to top it off, teach about character and integrity. I can remember Orrin and the other pharoahs asking “what would you sell your character for?” I know Orrin always stated he wanted to be able to stand before his Creator and have Him say “well done my good and faithful servant.” I have a feeling that may never come to pass!

  16. Speak Your Truth permalink
    January 27, 2012 5:58 pm

    I copied some of this from under another post because it is has to do with their faq-spinning bs page.

    Dang Amthrax and the site has more ‘influence’ than all the misleaders put together that they have to try and cover up their corruption and handle the objections on a faq page? It doesn’t take captain obvious to show up to see through this and who the ones with real integrity and character are…those people with the real Character.. NO Longer want anything to do with when they found out their lies, deception, and corruption. Seriously, the people are Not stupid and can see right through their BS. All those leaders already know that the PC are the ones lacking character

    I am sure they will be and are doing this spinning of the truth so much they will get themselves dizzy to try beat into others to ‘not listen to’ any truth outside of the cult environment because you can count on them keeping their feeds or visiting Amthrax and it is their number 1 focus!! Mr. Anonymous Anti..Amthrax blogger starting and spending hours..then saying nothing of any substance… makes that blatantly obvious…no ‘rocket science’ there ..Don’t see that on that on their FAQ page..hahaha

    Perhaps the misleaders.. ..will have emergency and secret meeting to ‘brainstorm’ on how they will twist, spin and lie out of the information in Webelieve’s post…or perhaps they will have a cowardly secret meeting to update their ‘faq page?’ lmao.

    Pretty sad and extemely telling that they have had to added those questions and that pile of dung to their ‘Faq’ page…pretty obvious they are trying but failed at ‘damage control’ because it is glaringly obvious to the world that they are trying to handle the objections, but only raises more questions and prevents them from looking others in the eye and lying or slandering these leaders. People aren’t stupid and can figure out their game on that one..lol.

    Seriously…What ‘professional’ company tries to cover their corruption up on a FAQ page?

    How much lower can these guys go? Must not have hit rock bottom… yet…Just when you think they can’t get any Lower….These guys keep going lower, lower, and lower…. These guys could not tell the whole truth without spinning…if their souls depended on it!

  17. Freedomhaha permalink
    January 27, 2012 6:00 pm

    @Team Liberation Front- First off I want to say it is awesome to have you on this blog. Always great to have another solider in the fight for freedom. Second, I echo your comment on the TEAM having to answer to the Good Lord. In a day and age where Christians are dragged through the mud for scandals they now have the TEAM mis-leaders doing all of their scamming in the Lords name. At the core of it that is what really frustrates me. I continue to pray for those in the TEAM that they may find a way out, but I also really hope Orrin gets what is coming to him. However, I have to be careful there too since “Vengeance is mine says the Lord”

    God Bless.

  18. TruthSeeker permalink
    January 27, 2012 6:04 pm

    Please explain something to me here. Why and what does posting the FAQ section on their website have to do with the Life plan now. There is no Director “rank” in Life, essentially because it is a motivation only business isn’t everyone now considered a “Director” ?

    Call me slow, but I am having a disconnect here, and cannot possibly see or understand how posting this is relevant to their current model. Unless of course, it is a major CYA campaign to thwart the posts on this blog. Perhaps the FAQ section is their attempt to explain away the past.

    Please educate me on this one…I am lost.

  19. Team Liberation Front permalink
    January 27, 2012 6:16 pm

    Amen Freedomhaha! It is a struggle to not wanna get vengeance myself. I just hope this thing implodes. It is troubling that they do this in the name of Christ and always seek out pastors to lend them credibility. A side bar that I think is funny, I heard Orrin refer to his new victim…I mean pastor as a top 10 pastor. So if I have this right that means Orrin is a top 10 leader, Chris is a top ten leader, there business must be much higher than top 10, Orrin and Chris’s blogs are top 10 and now Orrin’s pastor is top 10?? Do these guys do anything or associate with anyone whose not top 10? I don’t recall him ever referring to Past

  20. Team Liberation Front permalink
    January 27, 2012 6:19 pm

    Amen Freedomhaha! It is a struggle to not wanna get vengeance myself. I just hope this thing implodes. It is troubling that they do this in the name of Christ and always seek out pastors to lend them credibility. A side bar that I think is funny, I heard Orrin refer to his new victim…I mean pastor as a top 10 pastor. So if I have this right that means Orrin is a top 10 leader, Chris is a top ten leader, there business must be much higher than top 10, Orrin and Chris’s blogs are top 10 and now Orrin’s pastor is top 10?? Do these guys do anything or associate with anyone whose not top 10? I don’t recall him ever referring to Pastor Dickie as top 10 and he probably actually deserves that title although he’d never claim it because he practices something Woodward and Co. know nothing about….humility.

  21. Speak Your Truth permalink
    January 27, 2012 7:00 pm

    TruthSeeker~ I thing you have it right…CYA campaign!

  22. January 27, 2012 7:41 pm

    We,

    I quit about a couple weeks before the “biggest and most important Major yet”, the unveiling of LIFE. Honestly, what finally pushed me out was all the manipulation tactics promoted through the books on Team, namely the Top 5 books. I came to see how humanistic they were and I couldn’t in good consicience promote them anymore.
    After leaving, I found Amthrax, and…well…this site pretty much sealed the deal and helped me cope through the emotional baggage remaining from losing my friends since walking away.

    But all is great now! I’m excelling quite well in my profession (actually I struggled while in Team, trying to divide my time between my job and growing the biz) and forsee a great future with the company I am in.

    My friend, on the other hand, is still in Team and is not doing so well at his job. It’d be a shame to see Team ruin him like so many I’ve heard about and seen here.

  23. January 27, 2012 8:05 pm

    He was my first person to get in the biz. This April will be a year. I had several discussions with him during the time I started to leave. He basically said he didn’t understand my objections because “Team is still doing good even if you don’t believe everything they teach”. He just didn’t have the same convictions I do, and it was easier for him to overlook certain inconsistencies. The good outweighed the bad, I suppose…in his mind.
    I’ve thought about sharing this site with him, but for some reason I haven’t yet. We don’t really talk anymore…some friendship, huh?
    Our mutual friend just quit Team as well (although he hadn’t been doing much anyways bc of his work schedule) when I showed him this site. I sent him the Life Primer link, and he said how could one not accept this as a scam after reading that post? He said when he saw the bankruptcies, foreclosures, and lawsuit there in black and white, only a fool could stay in after reading that.
    So that’s one out. We may both work to get our deeply embedded friend out. But to be honest, it’s hard sometimes to want to tell him after what he and my upline did to me. That might be the wrong attitude, but I sometimes think, “I’ll let God work on him. He can do a much better job than me”. I dunno…

  24. Freedomhaha permalink
    January 27, 2012 8:46 pm

    @mattjer22- Thanks for coming here and telling your story. I for one really appreciate it. My question is: What did you find that was so humanistic in the top 5? For me I have had great success applying “The Magic of Thinking Big” and well as “How to Win Friends” in my own life. Curious to see your thoughts there. My own personal experience is that the books are good when they aren’t read with the “TEAM slant”.

    Keep telling your story- I know it will help others as well.

  25. January 27, 2012 8:57 pm

    my friend totally humiliated me one day at an open at his house because he was verbally bashing a prospect friend of mine during a political discussion, and I called him out on it. He sent me this nasty email about how I’m not a leader and shouldn’t be telling him what to do, blah blah blah. And at the time I wasn’t as confident as I am now and didn’t fight back.

    He gave some lame apology the next day and we kind of worked it out. But things were never really the same after that. He just seemed full of pride to me. I think it was because my upline puffed him up and told him he was gonna be a great leader. They began courting him and he got to spend a little time with O.aw.aw.i.n.

    My Upline was another piece of work too. The moment he caught wind of me leaving Team, I never heard another word from him again. It was like I never existed. When I used to share my struggles with him, he’d always say, “hey, we’re friends first, then business partners”. No phone call. No, “hey buddy, can we talk about it? etc” What a croc?

    I know I don’t even come close to what you guys have gone through, and I can only dream of the emotional turmoil many of you and others have dealt with because of Team. I’d probably be on here everyday shouting from the mountain tops the crookedness of Team.
    I rarely talk on here, but I do keep up with everything written, as I’m sure there are many others on here like me. Keep pluggin away quitters!! 😀

  26. January 27, 2012 8:59 pm

    Thanks WE, I have been wanting to check out the Hasan deal for some time now. Just haven’t gotten around to it. Too busy with enjoying life with my family…hehe.

  27. January 27, 2012 9:38 pm

    Freedom,

    Had this long response to your book question, but my page timed out and I lost it when trying to post it.

    Basically, these books take a man-centered approach to bettering the man and not a biblical approach. They largely ignore sin as being the primary problem of man, and therefore all their solutions only fix the outwardness of man. They polish him up on the outside, and yet he can still remain crooked and discusting on the inside.
    And I think we may know a few business leaders who fit that description. Any takers on who they might be?

    I’d be happy to expound on a critique of any of the books if anyone so desired. But Amthrax may want me to do that on another thread.

  28. January 27, 2012 10:13 pm

    @mattjer22 – I would put any book discussion for now on the LIFE Top 50 Book list post.

  29. January 27, 2012 11:03 pm

    We, no but I’ve been chomping at the bits to read them. Found them online for pretty cheap.

  30. January 27, 2012 11:04 pm

    haha…oops…did that under my wife’s name.

  31. Dodged A Bullet permalink
    June 12, 2012 3:19 pm

    I was sucked in for about 2 weeks and I saw so many red flags that it snapped me out of my “fog”!
    I found it creepy that they were willing to travel hundreds of kilometers multiple times a week just to sit and talk to me or meet my spouse (even if I didn’t have a friend or family member lined up for some brainwashing….oh ah, I mean to listen to the plan). Also, I know they are not allowed to discuss income but I was being lured with incomes of $10,000-$30,000 per month after only 1-2 years of work! That set my alarm bells ringing I can tell you. Also, the more times I heard “the plan” the more the numbers were changing for other things (like how much was saved per month using the financial tools) and all from the same presenter!
    I started to do research on the negatives and decided not to pursue TEAM/Life any further. My sibling who is still involved (and got me involved) is so deaf to rational thought now. When I said I was having doubts and didn’t want to continue I was told by my sibling that I should address all concerns to my up-line and they would have the answers…Yeah, I’m sure they do!!!! Thanks, but no thanks!
    Also, I couldn’t figure out why there was such importance placed on attending the “pep rallies” and why I had to pay $35 to attend one (plus gas and food). It was bizarre to me as I was told numerous times that if that was the only thing I did in my first month that was the most important thing to do….but why? It certainly wasn’t making me any money. It was costing money actually. I decided it was meant to further cement the idea that if others were doing this and were all fired up that it must be a good thing and I was doing the right thing. That is their true plan is it not? To have people so blinded by the money that they don’t dare question it. I did NOT attend (although it would have been interesting to see it while not in “the fog” and be able to see through the lies).
    I am hoping beyond hope that my sibling opens their eyes before they spend what little they are actually earning on Cd’s and books.
    I liken it to a cult wherein the object of their obsession is not God but money….sad.
    I have lots more to say but I will save it for another day.

    Sincerely, Dodged A Bullet

    *It was entirely intention to make my gender and the gender of my sibling vague as I am a bit afraid of the repercussions on speaking out against these criminals.

  32. June 13, 2012 10:02 pm

    @Dodged – thanks for sharing your story. I hope your sibling figures things out as you have soon.

  33. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 14, 2012 7:08 am

    Amthrax~ Where is Dodged story?

  34. June 14, 2012 11:47 pm

    Here is Dodge’s story. I thought that I had approved it, but apparently, it was still stuck in the moderation queue.

  35. Dodged A Bullet permalink
    June 17, 2012 3:55 pm

    Thank you for your reply!
    That is exactly what they say, to “change lives, one living room at a time”. Catchy and all but kinda creepy now.
    My sibling has only been involved a short time but seems completely sucked in as that they seem to only be able to discuss “the business” and how many lives they are changing. Also, how some family members won’t return their calls and that if those family members would just listen to the presentation then they would see that it was going to help them (sigh).
    I also found it strange when I was eager at a “calling session” and I was getting praised a lot for it. I was being told that I was “going to be really good at this”. Now I know it doesn’t sound all that strange but in the moment it was a bit odd. It was like I was an elephant performing a trick and they were throwing me some peanuts. I don’t know why exactly, but it was just weird.
    Anyway, I REALLY look forward to hearing back from you & everyone!

  36. Dodged A Bullet permalink
    June 17, 2012 6:16 pm

    Your comment is EXACTLY what I felt was happening even in my brief experience with this “company” (I have some other, more colorful words I could use…).
    It is great to hear that you were able to clear the fog and get out…it gives me hope that my sibling can come to their senses at some point. I will slowly (very slowly) pose some of those questions and hope somewhere in there a seed of doubt gets planted and hopefully it will slowly grow. Thank you for your wisdom and advice.
    Take care and talk soon.

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