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How Many TEAM Leaders Set Sail On MonaVie’s Cruise For Gold Promotion?

February 9, 2012

Between January 30 to February 3, MonaVie held its Cruise for Gold promotion, a four-day excursion on Royal Caribbean Cruise Line’s Monarch of the Seas. The qualification requirements were as follows:

4 Ways to 4 Days

The Cruise for Gold Promo was open to everyone whose achieved rank was Distributor through Emerald Executive, from January 1, to August 26, 2011. To qualify, these distributors simply had to do one of the following between August 27 and December 23, 2011:

1. Paid-as Distributor through Silver Executive: Meet Gold Executive qualification for two consecutive weeks.

2. Paid-as Gold Executive: Meet Gold Executive qualification for two consecutive weeks.

3. Paid-as Ruby Executive: Meet Ruby Executive qualification for two consecutive weeks.

4. Paid-as Emerald Executive: Remain paid at Emerald Executive for two consecutive weeks.

The MonaVie On The Move websites has a link to the MonaVie 365 Magazine magazine. Page 27 lists of all the qualifiers.

Note: The names in bold were listed twice on the page (guess they needed to fill in the space on the page?). Those listed in red are thought to be in TEAM today. Finally, I believe those listed in blue use to be in TEAM, but left when Legacy split off from TEAM.

  • Aaron and Cathy Baaske
  • Alan and Pat Carron
  • Allison and Stephanie Bijl
  • Amber Smith
  • Andrée and Ven Côté
  • Andrew and Marina Pedroza
  • Angela and Jim Murdock
  • Angela Bruer-Balouch
  • Angelo and Shirley Borrelli
  • Angela Gilmore
  • Angie Gilmore
  • Annie Chau
  • Annie Chau
  • Araceli Aguiar
  • Bear and Angela Harris
  • Berta Briones
  • Berta Briones
  • Bonny McComb
  • Brent and Ann Morton
  • Brian and Debra Feeney
  • Bruce and Rene Stevens
  • Bruce and Rene Stevens
  • Byron and Janice Roberts
  • Carey and Karen McLaughlin
  • Carmen and Mike Hoffner
  • Carrie and Leonard Sharpe
  • Carrie and Leonard Sharpe
  • Chad and Shannon Tope
  • Chris and Dana Tinley
  • Chris and Melissa DeKeratry
  • Cindi and Duncan McNabb
  • Colleen King
  • Cory Garrison
  • Cyndie Nohr
  • Cynthia and David Young
  • Dale and Karen St. Amand
  • Dan and Nancy Zeller
  • Darryl and Cheryl Burkhardt
  • Dave and Jill Paul
  • David and Leslie Faris
  • David and Lisa Alexander
  • David and Tracy Meredith
  • Dawn Pilota
  • Denise Otway
  • Denise Otway
  • Denise Trottier
  • Denton and Tina Hackney
  • Derek and Tammy Scott
  • Dionisie and Daniela Goia
  • Donald and Marilee Matz
  • Ed and Stephanie Cook
  • Edward and Michelle Chin
  • Edyie Minder
  • Elena Emmitte
  • Eralda and Daniel Maldonado
  • Eric and Amanda Wilcox
  • Eric and Theresa Basa
  • Eric Klein
  • Eric Klein
  • Erin and Michael Blackburn
  • Frank and Annie Lee
  • Frank Lee
  • Gary and Ann Kearney
  • Gary and Laura Giese
  • Gene Linkous
  • George and Samantha Grijalva
  • Gerry Rand
  • Glen and Stephanie Burningham
  • Greg and Paula Lazzari
  • Handre and Donna Hurwit M.D.
  • Jan and Raelene Hayball and Melissa Checketts
  • Jan and Susie M Gossett
  • Jan and Teri Shuler
  • Jan and Teri Shuler
  • Janet Cortese
  • Janet Mallari
  • Janet Mallari
  • Jason and Kara Lehr
  • Jean and Jamie Friedli
  • Jeff and Angela Garrison
  • Jennifer Sieg
  • Jeremy and Mindy Everts
  • Jesse and Stephanie Clooten
  • Jim and Kathy Paullin
  • Jim and Sandra Minneo
  • Joe and Lin Austin
  • John and Erika Rozsa-Atkinson
  • John and Erika Rozsa-Atkinson
  • John Yabut
  • Josh and Jorene Miller
  • Juli Butler
  • Julie Miller
  • Kathy Weberg
  • Kelly Harsha
  • Ken and Adelaide Murdoch
  • Ken Hargrove
  • Kevin and Tara Fatland
  • Leandro Castellanos
  • Leandro Castellanos
  • Leonie LaPoint
  • Lora and Brett Houston
  • Lynn Lindberg
  • Marcos Espinal
  • Marcos Espinal
  • Mark Ludwig
  • Marla Hart
  • Mary and Thomas Meadows
  • Matt and Shari McCants
  • Michael and Mary Lynne Martens
  • Michael Mourer
  • Michael Quinney
  • Micheal and Angie Hardison
  • Michele Yakashiro
  • Michele Yakashiro
  • Mike and Becca Massé
  • Murray and Sylvia Galbraith
  • Nick and Lisa Morris
  • Paul and Jessica Pagano
  • Paul and Karen Spaulding
  • Paul and Phyllis Johansen
  • Paul and Tanya McCrary-Singh
  • Paul Johansen
  • Paula Lazzari
  • Penn Station, Llc
  • Peter and Joyce Stoehr
  • Randy and Kellie Keling
  • Red Concepcion
  • Redelynn Concepcion
  • Reggie Cook
  • Renee Yu
  • Richard and Gayla Miller
  • Richard Jacobson and Laura Burkett
  • Rick and Gail Pope
  • Rick and Gail Pope
  • Robert Norton
  • Robert Noton
  • Robert Strickland
  • Ron Allen
  • Ronald and Angela Hoff
  • Ronald and Kathleen Howard
  • Roy and Kathleen Radu
  • Ryan and Jolene Doktorczyk
  • Scott and Ana English MD
  • Scott and Kathy Kinney
  • Shawn and Jennifer St Amand
  • Shawn Post and Melanie Smith
  • Shelley and Michael Robins
  • Sophie and Michael BoKinskie
  • Steve and Nav Dhaliwal
  • Svetlana and Pat Corrigan
  • Svetlana Corrigan
  • Tammy and Phil Poulin
  • Terry and Lynn Mudge
  • Terry, Joni, and Jessica Cox
  • Thomas and Jeanette Smylie
  • Thuy Kawano
  • Tom and Julie Hager
  • Tom and Rachel Alderson
  • Tracey Warren
  • Vic and Di Melillo
  • Vimal Ram
  • Whitney and Shannon Kwok
  • Will and Sue Moran
  • William and Mandy Waldron
  • William Groshok
  • Yuliya Goping

How many TEAM leaders qualified for the Cruise for Gold promotion? I see Jim & Cathy Paullin in the list. They used to be in Amway/Quixtar and were most recently identified under Tim Marks in TEAM. Are there any other TEAM leaders in the list that I missed?

Update February 9, 2012: Added Kathy Weberg to the list of TEAM members who qualified.

Did the Paullins and Webergs go to both the Ohio (or Visalia) TEAM LIFE Winter Leadership Conventions (held January 26-29) right before boarding the Monarch of the Seas on the 30th?

Assuming one’s MonaVie business was strong — no doubt a result of the wonderful teachings by one’s upline leaders — shouldn’t we have seen more people from TEAM qualify for this? Isn’t that what the TEAM tools were supposed to do? Train people to become super-duper MonaVie distributors? Surely among the thousands of people at the Winter Leadership conferences in Ohio and California, more people should have been on this list, no?

It’s important to point this out because for the past three years, TEAM Round Table and Policy Council members have been waxing poetic about the benefits of acai berry and MonaVie. Read the Solomon’s Notes blog, written by a (possibly former) TEAM member who took detailed notes while at various Michigan TEAM seminars in 2009. What do they think today?

41 Comments leave one →
  1. a wounded bear permalink
    February 9, 2012 6:55 am

    First and only point, they’re NOT in MV any longer…can’t you figure that out? I believe when anthrax was started it was for getting the FACTS. Not gossip.

  2. Freedomhaha permalink
    February 9, 2012 7:19 am

    It does a good job of showing that what they said even a year ago already isn’t true today. Helps give new LIEfers a look into the past that they will never seen. When being shown the plan all they see is LIEf, but don’t understand all the past baggage that comes with it. Reading that blog gave me chills. They looked just like the notes I used to take, but I could never see THAT IT WAS THE SAME STUFF! Now looking at all the notes on the blog I just get sick, but also appreciative of my actual freedom of mind through the great people on this blog.

  3. Vogel permalink
    February 9, 2012 8:04 am

    Wow, there was a lot of BS in Solomon’s notes. Most of it was just mindless fluff, but I honed in on one particularly egregious lie:

    “Monavie has applied for and recieved 21 patents for the content and
    manufacturing process of the juice.”

    A USPTO search reveals not one patent applied for or received by Monavie.
    http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html

  4. February 9, 2012 8:09 am

    @a wounded bear – if there’s a mistake in my post, let me know, and I will correct it.

  5. Former Round Table permalink
    February 9, 2012 8:12 am

    Wounded Bear, the point is not gossip. The point is that you cannot believe anything taught by Team or Life or whatever Orrin is calling it these days. For three years they sold their system as the best education, bar none, to help grow a community of people who would drink MonaVie. The point is, they repeatedly tell you to look at the results. Okay, we have. Nuff said.

  6. wounded bear permalink
    February 9, 2012 10:34 am

    Ok Anthrax ur good. BUT I think this post is a rehash of how many posts & comments are on here? How many times must it be rehashed?????
    Let’s get on with our lives living what God has called US to live. I learned many things while being a T 100 & a Gold in MV. I was pleasantly surprised the other day when team training came out as first nature, it looks like it helped to secure us a multi- million dollar deal! We are ALL going to have bad things happen to us sometime in our lifetime. Deal with it! And MOVE on.

  7. switch permalink
    February 9, 2012 10:41 am

    ROFL!!!

  8. February 9, 2012 11:23 am

    @wounded bear – that’s great that you’ve moved on. There are, however, many people who haven’t moved on, and many more who need to be exposed to the truth and facts regarding TEAM LIFE. That’s why it’s important to point out, as Former Round Table and Freedomhaha wrote, the continued inconsistencies with what TEAM LIFE leaders say and what they do and have done.

  9. Freedomhaha permalink
    February 9, 2012 11:33 am

    Wounded bear- I respect that you have moved on completely and you have way more experience than I do with TEAM. However, I hate the thought of others like myself getting sucked in. My hope is that writing on here can save other people from trouble, or be there as they try to get their mind back from the TEAM/LIEf cult.

  10. No Team For Me permalink
    February 9, 2012 7:08 pm

    wounded bear – you stated “they’re not in MV any longer”. Is that an official statement from Team/Life now? Because they had Dallin Larsen on stage in Ohio and had led him to believe they were in MV for life. Now you’re saying they are no longer in MV?

    We all know that is coming and that they will end up leaving, but haven’t heard anything official to that point.

    Also, this cruise contest was last year – before Life launched on 11-1-11.

  11. Spooked permalink
    February 9, 2012 8:04 pm

    I recognized a name under the Bronze Executive I know for a fact that person is still in..I was never in…this website gives me comfort and helps me to understand whats going on..If I have a question they answer it the best they can…Thank you Amthrax

  12. Speak Your Truth permalink
    February 9, 2012 10:47 pm

    a wounded bear….wounded bear?~

    Which is it? I noticed you used your screen name 2 different ways? I found your comments and tone very interesting to say the least and was curious about it. I copied and pasted your story and a couple of comments from you to show what I mean. It has raised some questions and clearly your tone is different. You can find the entire conversation here:

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2011/09/30/do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do-team-leaders-bankruptcy-filings/

    Maybe it is just me but your current comments it seems; you maybe frustrated with this site and calling Amthrax a gossip?

    You state in this thread;

    I learned many things while being a T 100 & a Gold in MV.”

    But then you state below in a comment to Webelieved this:

    “We were platinums in qstar/amway and gold in MV and turbo 50 well on our way to T100.”

    Here’s the question: You “were a “T100” or you were “well on your way”…not the same; which is it?

    I just am very curious why now you seem to be upset with Amthrax site and believe it is just “rehashing” since it seems the site helped you when you needed it, atleast in the past, when you were on here sharing.. gossip or FACTS?

    Did you take your spot back in the Lief program and perhaps that is why you are upset and think since you have gotten “over it”, everyone else should or “it looks like it helped to secure us a multi- million dollar deal” …that everyone else should…Deal with it! And MOVE on.” ?? What about those who haven’t gotten out or those who haven’t gotten in? Perhaps you will say you aren’t the same “a wounded bear” or ” wounded bear”?

    Lastly, and I found this comment you made to das the most interesting of all, especially now that you think everyone should just; “Deal with it! And MOVE on.”…Perhaps, you could explain it for us?:

    a wounded bear permalink
    October 10, 2011 6:17 pm

    @das…i see that, but gotta share it for the first time publicly. Lol question …what will a wounded bear do? Fight to the death! I like what Dr Laura said “Don’t raise your voice, just reinforce your argument.” Some way some how what I write it’s going to get back to Chris and Terrie and I hope that they will take it to heart and it convicts them to the core of their soul.

    “Reinforce your argument?”…Does that mean “rehash?”…”Fight to the death!”? Just curious. Thanks 🙂

    a wounded bear permalink
    October 10, 2011 11:36 am

    I’m going to share my story from the end, backward to the beginning…that way more recent memories will bring to light older ones. We are friends with Emily a nice down to earth gal…one evening at a Tuesday night open we were seen visting, afterward our rt couple came over to us and said “you can’t vist with Emily because she is up and cross line to you. BS! We have been out for 3 years…still paying off some debt…should have followed the leaders and declared bankruptcy that seems to be the TEAM way. But it never crossed my mind.
    After we quit…i love saying that word it’s such a taboo word on TEAM. I had called our rt couple, a few times just out of friendliness…no such thing on his end. C.M. asked me if I was coming back…i should have said maybe, instead I said NO. That did it, within the next 30 days all my producers on my second leg…you know where the money is…had other ids in the form of LLCs and were on the taproot. Oh I was hot! How dare they do that. We drove our tail off building that team in ohio. But that was one of the most dishonest things they could have done, because you and I have heard ORRIN & CHRIS among others from stage teach that in this business you can build a residual income. And later on if you would ever decide to go do something else, there would be that income that you had labored for.

    and another one:

    a wounded bear permalink
    October 10, 2011 6:04 pm

    @webelieved…wow…yes I did contact MV, in that dept you could no longer talk to via phone only email. So I emailed them. Never heard from them. As to how I know their LLCs I worked closely with these people. I got to know what turned them on what their heart went after…i’ll give you an example M.S loved to hunt deer, you should have seen his trophies…guess what his LLC is…BIG BUCKS LLC. He had woven two meanings into it, how clever, and so on and so forth.
    We were platinums in qstar/amway and gold in MV and turbo 50 well on our way to T100.
    That being said we enrolled hundreds of people..still have all that docs.

    [Editor’s note: Added blockquotes for easier readability]

  13. February 9, 2012 11:12 pm

    I’ll echo Speak’s concern about wounded bear’s previous comments and the latest one. I’m a little confused as to where s/he stands today.

  14. Peachy permalink
    February 10, 2012 8:35 am

    Robin;

    I too was on the Paul’s team, and I concur all that you have said. We lived and saw it all. Thankfully we got out over two years ago.

  15. wounded bear permalink
    February 10, 2012 10:50 am

    No Team For Me, No its not a official statement. Its something I have noticed…sound bites that I have picked up.

    Speak Your Truth…if the shoe fits wear it. Lol….
    This site thanks to you all has helped me & my wife. Thank you! Now we’re moving on. Hence my attitude change.

    The rehashing comments were directed toward the old timers on this site.
    Thank God that the new people are reading this site….there’s plenty to read. I mean one such posing has over 1100 comments. Amthrax you know how many postings are on ur site.
    Since I have posted our story….I have went to the horse and asked the horse a question & guess what, the horse answered back!

    Ok ok….no I’m not in team/life….no way! But i*m friends with some of the leadership on Facebook. I have many more questions to ask them, I’m just waiting for the correct time. You understand that.
    As far as wether we were T50 or T100, officially we were T50 but less than 10 away from T100, but then I began to see the bodies strewn about, and I just couldn’t no longer promote something I didn’t believe in.
    If you really want to help the new people let’s us organize a protest at the seminars with signs and banners and billboards. Who’s with me???

    Once wounded bear always a wounded bear, however my wounds (the lies been replaced with the truth) have been healed. Thank you…see you

  16. February 10, 2012 4:38 pm

    Anti-Amthrax has a new post in which he comments on my Cruise For Gold promotion post.

  17. Quit #2 permalink
    February 10, 2012 5:00 pm

    @Wounded bear- If you have moved on then you no longer need to be participating in this website.

  18. Over and Out permalink
    February 10, 2012 6:10 pm

    That’s the first I have seen of that blog. I wonder who is writing that ?!?!?!?! Seems like someone that is a bit defensive. I find it interesting that “comments are closed”.

  19. webelieved permalink
    February 10, 2012 6:41 pm

    Anti- Amthrax- “Even though Amthrax lists the cruise ”qualification requirements”, he does not highlight the fact (or maybe didn’t even notice) that the cruise promotion RULES DID NOT PERMIT any MonaVie distributors who had achieved any rank above Emerald (including Round Table or Policy Council members of TEAM) to qualify for the cruise!”

    Isn’t it interesting how they twist things. Round Table and Policy Council levels have NOTHING to do with ranks above Emerald in MV! These are apples and oranges.
    Ranks above Emerald would be Diamond, Blue Diamond etc. and apparantly no one moved to the next level to get on the cruise! Also there should be many, many more distributors able to hit Gold etc than distributrors able to hit levels above Emerald. Regardless of one or two or three, pretty sad results for a proven system. 😦
    Nice try twisting the truth once again!

  20. TruthSeeker permalink
    February 10, 2012 6:49 pm

    Exactly Webelieved! As a matter of fact that was a pretty low turnout overall considering there are over 3 million distributors in Monavie. Figure that percentage!

    Bottom line is the PC knows everyone was losing their butt in MV, so its on to the next gig. Brilliant bench marking and 3 million dollars took them there, and going bankrupt took them away.

    Interesting as well is how the Anti-Amthrax blogger comments on some of the smaller details on this blog yet fails to address the important things such as bankruptcies, strategic default, top-heavy compensation in Life, 3 million dollar bridge loans etc. etc.

    Lets not address the facts here, only the subjective topics ok? hahaha

  21. webelieved permalink
    February 10, 2012 6:57 pm

    Never address the FACTS, isn’t that the Team’s M.O. ? Skirt the issues, answer a question with a question……lmao!

  22. webelieved permalink
    February 10, 2012 7:02 pm

    Over and Out- Do we expect any different from team sites? They always have the comments closed or moderated. Has anyone EVER seen a direct disenting opinion on Orrin’s blogs? Seems like INFORMATION control directly from Steve Hasan’s bite model, hey? LOL! It is amazing to me I never realized any of this while I was in. Jeez……..was I naive!

  23. Speak Your Truth permalink
    February 10, 2012 7:03 pm

    Webelieved and Over and Out

    Anti- Amthrax~ Seems very bitter, I thought they got better instead of bitter?…Guess not! Umm let’s see, the last I knew Monavie doesn’t recognize PC or RT, it is not a MV qualification..So nice spinnster, twister comments; scamster..You might as well give it up Mr. Contortionist…hahaha!

    We need a youtube of them playing twister… every time they try and lie and twist the truth, you will see the lie.f.ers+ Anti-Amthrax twisted up like a pretzel..hahahaha!!! 🙂

  24. Speak Your Truth permalink
    February 10, 2012 7:08 pm

    TruthSeeker~

    Very interesting indeed….They have never addressed the real issues…Nope that’s for denial and avoidance another ‘rule’ they follow with persistance!…Geez do they really believe people are that stupid..deluded they are?

  25. February 10, 2012 7:18 pm

    I think this article makes a great point. I hadn’t thought about cross referencing the people in TEAM to see if they are actually producing successful MonaVie businesses. This seems to have given us the answer here.

  26. No Team For Me permalink
    February 10, 2012 7:55 pm

    I love Anti’s attempt to spin the truth. There are dozens and dozens more people in Team that have hit the Gold, Ruby & Emerald level than there are at Diamond or above. And all they had to do is requalify at the level they were at on Jan. 1, 2011 to qualify for the cruise.

    and since many of them had volume which had been dropping, several “Emeralds” probably could have qualified for the cruise by hitting Ruby. Several Ruby’s could have qualified by hitting Gold.

    But more importantly, what about the 7,000+ people who have been going to function after function after function and pouring thousands of dollars into Team training that still have never qualified Gold? If all this training is so good and during the majority of the contest, the only company Team claimed to represent was MonaVie, shouldn’t they have more people at the Gold level?

    All that training. All those seminars. Millions of dollars on tools. And they couldn’t get more than a couple people to qualify at the Gold level in the only company they represented when they had 7,000 people trying to build that company?

    What does that say about the ‘proven’ results of all that training?

  27. Over and Out permalink
    February 10, 2012 8:02 pm

    “Anti- Amthrax~ Seems very bitter, I thought they got better instead of bitter?”

    Speak~ They always practice as they preach you know. haha!

    Webelieved~And no, I guess I shouldn’t expect any different. We were all naive in this business, don’t be to hard on yourself 🙂

    Wounded Bear~ I get what you mean by getting over it. I don’t think that everyone is on here because they are not over it, but because they are trying to help the next person. I know someone on TEAM that is a woman who works a full time job and then is out most nights during the week showing the plan, while attending whatever TEAM parties on the weekend all while have a newborn and now a toddler. I know this is many people on TEAM. As a Mom who knows what all those special moments are like watching your child grow, experience the 1st moments of walking, crawling, laughing, whatever it may be, I am heartbroken for those who miss those moments because they are out “trying to get free” ! When lets face it, we know there is no such thing as free with TEAM because the second you want to start enjoying more family time and less TEAM time they vote you out of directorship. So it is our hope but posting on here that we are helping people before these sort of things happen. (or my hope, guess I shouldn’t speak for others)

  28. webelieved permalink
    February 10, 2012 8:08 pm

    Over and Out- I agree, also sometimes things are rehashed in the hopes if a new reader only sees one article, they will find some truth in the comments. After all we are trying to set people free from deception. 🙂

  29. webelieved permalink
    February 11, 2012 6:02 am

    Anti- Amthrax- …..”Let’s see, I wonder what person and/or organization or company would have such a database and then be interested in tracking such history?”

    Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady would love nothing more than for prospects and followers to believe critics on this site are all working for Amway. Funny, anyone reading Amthrax’s bio or links on this site would obviously know this isn’t the case! Sadly this control of critical information shows Teams attempt to dumb down their followers. Team PC know many critics on this site are former leaders or closely know former leaders with real grievences and they are sharing truthful information about their unethical behavior!

  30. webelieved permalink
    February 11, 2012 6:20 am

    Anti- Amthrax- “I doubt that would have happened if Dallin was disappointed with TEAM’s movement of MonaVie products.”

    Are you serious!?

    That is an out and out lie! Something shady seems to be going on in MV……

    The Monavie volume and autoships throughout team is tanking, big time. In fact my informant says there are Team Diamonds in Monavie that are only pulling in @14,000 points throughout their whole largest legs, which include ruby’s, Golds etc! BIG leaders have been registering people in MV since fall only as preenrollees with no orders placed, and since early December, late November they haven’t registered anyone in MV!

    I am wondering how Dallin/ MV cannot see this?!

    Is Dallin blind, or is there a special deal going on behind the scenes between Dallin and Team? Why would he go to a LIFE event and promote a competing business?

    I have a feeling these activities may put MV in danger of forcing their own distributors to take legal action against them?

    We will see………

  31. Whirlwinded permalink
    February 11, 2012 7:00 am

    “I have a feeling these activities may put MV in danger of forcing their own distributors to take legal action against them?
    We will see………”

    Precisely.. the slow self-destruct has begun. The more people that find this site, the more we can get the word out, the more we all bond together (whether it be by just supporting each other, prayer, or both), the quicker the word gets out about MLM’s, the lies, the deceit, the betrayal, & the fickle ear candy they brainwash with, the quicker they meet their demise. To borrow some of Master Yoda’s advise from Star Wars, patience, & rely on the force (God).

  32. Freedomhaha permalink
    February 11, 2012 10:01 am

    Whirlwind- Amen, lets get the word out! I hope that the links posted on Chris Brady’s Facebook were seen by TEAM/LIEfers. After all men of integrity expect to be believed when they are not they let time prove them right. Time WILL prove us right.

  33. Finally permalink
    February 11, 2012 12:26 pm

    Actually gang, the Anti Amthrax blogger is really pitiful. When you read his post there is no substance there. I know that the team people that bought their way to diamond, i.e. the Martins can barely silver on a good week and that is with almost 2k people in their group. He also said that none of us would be on that trip…seriously……Me and my family will take our vacation the old fashioned way and that is to earn it!! We won’t be like “WELFARE” Dan and Mr. lisa hawkins that need their business given to them. Or like the many many other welfare recipients in the leadership ranks. And you all are right, they are exactly like all the entities they condemn in that they will never take on the facts. Facts and numbers do not lie, say’s Orrin. Then why in the world has no one ever seen the numbers?????? I mean he could shut us all down in a second with producing numbers, that have been validated by an unbiased 3rd party, and show all us quitters that we made the wrong decision. It is funny that guy’s like Tim Marks accuse highly intelligent people like Don Freeze and Matt Abraham of being quitters yet Tim is so weak that he could not drink alcohol without over doing it. Now I know many people that enjoy an occasional drink without ever going over board. Tim, is in fact a quitter, he quit alcohol………now I am being facetious here only to point out that when we realize something is not healthy for us we quit, i.e. team. Calling people quitters when they did it for the best, for them and their family when you still believe in the lie is like a social drinker calling Tim a quitter for not being able to hold his alcohol. Not fair, right?

    These guy’s will never admit publicly that what they do does not work for 99% of the people they sign up. Their internal numbers show it, they admit it behind closed doors ( I think that someone might have even recorded Tim Marks saying that, not sure though), but keep people hanging on because this is the only way they have ever been able to make real money. What are they going to do get a job??? Start a business in an area they are on recordings ripping on? The sad part is they have sold their souls to the devil for recognition and money…………they are polar opposites of what they say they are.

    I have 3 letters for Orrin and hope and pray for the day…….D O J……..figure it out Anti- anthrax blogger, oh and have them brush up on the RICCO statutes as well. I hope they will need the information one day.

    One more thing, when the blogger said that people crossed stage a PP and still had a chance to make the trip………..who is he kidding!!! They do not even sign people up in MV anymore. I had a friend in the Liberators show me their volume, they are in martins bigger leg, he barely hits silver in that leg this week, I thought they were diamonds?? Oh and this person is fairly close to the top of his team, we could see Jarvinen and Rufner as well, they’re teams are way smaller. No way they are making any kind of money………..so look at your paper leaders in , praise and edify them for lying cheating and stealing from people and we quitters will just spread the truth………

  34. Mike Collins permalink
    February 11, 2012 3:10 pm

    I read the “response” by the anti-amthrax blogger. It is hardly coherent and reads just like the “bunch of dancing around the issues” that the rest of these industry apologists (see Troy Dooly) are so adept at doing. At least Troy is not afraid of using his own name so we can put a face with the idiocy unlike this anti-amthrax idiot. It must be Orrin.

  35. Freedomhaha permalink
    February 11, 2012 3:37 pm

    It is true that Orrin could shut us up with a analysis of the numbers by having a third party look at it. Instead they make everything so complicated so that those of us that weren’t math majors in college have a hard time digging into it. Instead they explain it away by saying “The more people you help the more money you get”. Hah! 95+% of your TEAM will always lose money! ( Thanks Brent)

  36. Finally permalink
    February 12, 2012 7:12 pm

    Numbers do not lie but people can sure lie about numbers…………….

  37. das permalink
    February 25, 2012 9:44 am

    When you go read Orrin’s post over on the Anti-Amthrax site he is attacking the character of some posters on this site. Orrin, how about your character? Were you posting as Q-Rush? Are you the author of the Anti-Amthrax blog? Your character is less than admirable.

    Why don’t you set us straight on the character of the many leaders in Team that have filed bankruptcy and still teach from your Team stage on finances?

    How about the many lifers posting on here with their sick comments and the threats of physical violence? You pick out a few comments and run with them. The truth is that most of the lifers posting on here are the attackers, not the other way around. It’s no wonder why “comments are closed” on your blog.

    Why did you lie to all of us for so many years that Quixtar was not Amway? No wonder you had to bail when they were going to change the name back to Amway after so many lies.

    Why not set us straight on where all of the big leaders have gone, Billy & Peggy Florence, Don & Chris Freeze, Matt & Cheryl Abraham, Greg Rau, Mike & Christie Raatz, John & Melanie Morgan, Mike and Carol Foos, Mike Jones, Rick Reed, Jeff & Barb Granger, Pastor Dickie and his sons for starters.

    I wonder what these ex-leaders know about your character Orrin. I’m just guessing, but I bet many of them are posting on this site.

    If all of these leaders were financially free and had a life long residual income, why did they leave you and Team? Please share the truth with us Orrin.

  38. What the??? permalink
    March 2, 2012 6:42 am

    Not sure where this goes, but I have a question. Can you sell Monavie retail? The owner of our local pizza place is into TEAM/LIFE, and while I was in there last night I noticed a beverage cooler with cans of Monavie for sale. I didn’t go look at it close, but the cans were the skinny ones, smaller than a normal soda can. They had it advertised as a “healthy energy drink” and it was $3.50 a can. That seemed hugely overpriced when you can buy a big bottle of Gatorade for a little over a $1 out of the same cooler. Anyway, I was quite disturbed about the whole thing.

  39. March 2, 2012 8:59 am

    @What the??? You’re referring to MonaVie EMV (or EMV Light), their Red Bull-like energy drink. The pizza parlor was actually retailing the cans, which isn’t against the rules and regulations. There are restrictions on selling MV through online sales and in auctions, but nothing prevents them from selling it at a local retail establishment.

    I would check the sell by date on the can though, and make sure they aren’t selling expired EMV.

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