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Stand By Your Scam

June 21, 2012

For the past several weeks, TEAM/MFC/LIFE members have been waxing poetic about Orrin Woodward. Check out these posts:

These posts remind me of sites that masquerade as unbiased analyses of MLM companies. For example:

  • Is MonaVie a scam?
  • Is Protandim a scam?
  • Is Zeek Rewards a scam?
  • Is One24 a scam?
  • Is Jusuru a scam?

Do these searches, and you’ll find dozens, hundreds of hits to websites that purport to provide an unbiased look at these MLM businesses. In reality, these sites are just fronts for distributors who are trying to get you to join that MLM business.

It’s no different from these blogs praising Orrin Woodward. They are trying to game the search engines from people looking for legitimate criticism of Orrin Woodward and his TEAM/MFC/LIFE business. These TEAM/MFC/LIFE members have a vested interest in having prospects believe that Orrin is a top leadership guru (he’s not). Their goal? Get prospects to believe in Orrin and his business, and they’ll make money.

I’d like to comment on two quotes from Bill Lewis’ post on the “shocking truth” about Orrin Woodward (bold emphasis mine)

He also tells people exactly what is going to happen when they decide to join his business. Logically, if he wasn’t telling the truth wouldn’t the people who are following him figure that out and stop following him? The fact of the matter is thousands of people continue to follow him because his actions line up with his speech. There are some that have chosen to not associate anymore and that is to be expected when building a volunteer business. But if Orrin was a liar wouldn’t the masses and those closest to him figure that out and stop associating? Someone might think “but that’s because the ones closest to him get a special deal”. That is a great lead into the business side of all this.

Wait a minute, isn’t this my business? No, it’s Orrin’s business. But in the next sentence, Lewis says that it’s a volunteer business? What the heck is that? My business? Orrin’s business? Volunteer business?

Watch this TED talk from Diane Benscoter on how cults rewire the brain, based on her experiences as a Moonie:

This is exactly what’s happening with TEAM/MFC/LIFE members. They have been led to believe that if they just humbly follow Orrin Woodward and his business, their life will be better, they will have more money, and they will be free. Many of those who left Orrin’s business admitted to themselves that they had a problem. They recognized that they were stuck in a cycle of circular reasoning, and they got out. Those that are commenting on this site do so because they genuinely want to help others who are still stuck in TEAM/MFC/LIFE get out too.

Most organizations, the person that created it makes himself the supreme being of that company. In many aspect Orrin’s takes a back seat to let others lead and to let others get the glory. His goal is to surround himself with the best leaders and that takes a person who understands where he comes from and a humble spirit to realize that one person doesn’t have all the answers. Personally, he has developed a successful marriage ( along with his wife Lori1 ) and raised 4 wonderful kids.

Orrin doesn’t have to call himself the Supreme TEAM Leader; his followers will gladly do it for him. TEAM/MFC/LIFE members see this deification at every meeting, in every CD, at every major function.

Bottom line is that these sites are simply deifying a scammer and promoting a bad business opportunity. Stay away from TEAM/MFC/LIFE!


1 In the interest of getting the facts right, isn’t Orrin’s wife’s name spelled Laurie, not Lori? Update 2012-06-24. Lewis’ post has been updated with the correct spelling of Laurie Woodward’s name.

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42 Comments leave one →
  1. littledufflebagboy permalink
    June 21, 2012 8:42 am

    this is getting more sick by the minute I just wanna throw up readin that garbage from bill lewis. I was reading his blog last night thinking what hell is wrong with these people. they flat out think Orrin is god

  2. June 21, 2012 8:58 am

    @littledufflebagboy – Paraphrasing here, “But, but, but, Orrin is just a man!” exclaims Kirk Birtles. “Not just a man, but a great man, a leader of men!” retorts Bill Lewis. “A great leader of men, and one of the world’s top leadership gurus!” replies Dan Hawkins. “Don’t forget to add on top of being a leadership guru, he’s a best-selling author!” says George Guzzardo. “Don’t forget, guys, I’m also the IAB top leadership blogger” reminds Orrin Woodward.

    Right, there’s absolutely zero hyperbole going on within TEAM 🙂

  3. I QUIT (and glad I did) permalink
    June 21, 2012 10:03 am

    I’ll go ahead and be unprofessional… what a bunch of bullshit Bill. But hey, it keeps you in the good graces. By the way, you’ve got a piece of something on your nose.

  4. webelieved permalink
    June 21, 2012 11:09 am

    Great Video Amthrax- Just like the team they make you feel special. You feel like you are someone important when you are in Team LIFE. You feel like you have a mission, a place in life, in a group. Many feel God sent this to them to fix the world and their own problems. Many believe they can fix other people’s problems by sharing the business and information with them. I have spoken to ex-cult members and found that Team uses very similar tactics. They use us vs them, black and white thinking. The lady in the video said when she was recruited into the Moonies, she was emotionally vunerable, idealistic, naive and believed God could stop all these (bad) things all she had to do was (conform) follow. They taught right and wrong, good vs evil, black and white thinking. The ends justifies the means. She lost 5 years of her life to the group.

    I believe in Team if you are supporting the group, any behavior can be justified, treating ex team members your former friends terrible if they question leadership, slandering ex team members, pretending your former friends do not exist, lying, cheating. using deception while recruiting, it is all ok for the top to do because the ends justifies the means in Team.

  5. webelieved permalink
    June 21, 2012 11:09 am

    Amthrax- I LOVE the title! Stand by your scam! Lmao! That is funny.

  6. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 21, 2012 12:13 pm

    Amthrax~

    Excellent Post!! I can’t express my gratitude enough for yours and others undying research, dedication of time and effort to expose what I believe is the vilest, corrupted, destructive, dishonest and deceptive industry/UN-viable “business opportunity” that I have been a part of on this planet…to put it mildly!

    So thanks again for exsposing it, along with all the commenter’s on this site who bring valuable, truthful, FACTUAL, experiences, that is valuable and worth every effort given and are NOT in vain. Keep up the great work!

  7. June 22, 2012 9:19 am

    I added another “Orrin is great” post from Jim Martin that was published yesterday.

    http://jimmartinslifeleadership.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/orrin-woodward-a-man-of-courage-and-character/

  8. June 22, 2012 11:41 am

    This is truth! I love it.

    Another point – Bill Lewis says that if it was a scam, that “the masses” would leave and stop following. I’m pretty sure “the masses” don’t join to begin with! There must be a reason they want people showing 15 plans a month with the expectation of adding 5 people. They know 10/15 people will see through the first time!

  9. Freedomhaha permalink
    June 22, 2012 1:36 pm

    “The masses” have no clue who Orrin Woodward is unless they have been scammed by him.

  10. No Team For Me permalink
    June 22, 2012 6:18 pm

    Wow! Everytime I think I’ve heard it all, they stoop to a new low. This is really getting sick. Listen to the way Bill & Jim talk about Orrin. It appears they either worship him like a god (very cult-like) or Orrin controls them so much they feel they have to write these posts to stay in his good graces.

    They’ve seen enough to know the true Orrin and yet they write this? They know about the $3 million Orrin got from MV, they know about all the money Orrin was making from profit sharing when he was telling people he wasn’t taking anything. they know about all the people who contributed to the legal defense fund. Did Orrin pay any of these people back with the $3 million?

    I used to be one of those people who would ridicule people who referred to Team as a cult, but man – the behavior of these leaders recently is very cult-like!

  11. June 23, 2012 6:07 am

    This is simply more of the same. Man, he was doing this in the early part of the century with Casey Combden when they were trying to hide who they were and what they were about.

    Good ol’ Woody can always be counted on for a good old fashioned Google Bombing campaign every 3 or 4 years!

    If he put the effort into legitimizing what he does instead of hiding reality, he’d be unstoppable!

    Real business owners don’t behave in this fashion.

  12. Criticalthinker permalink
    June 23, 2012 7:08 am

    Of course Jim Martin is going to sound like this. Heck i was told early in the business that I was a “Hungry Student”, so my upline let me borrow a top 50 for a weekend. Every other time i saw him it was 6 + more CDs, so I Began to listen to 8+ CDs a day at work to show my upline I was gonna be big. I remember that my names list ran out, and I said to him while we were driving to a seminar that i was trying to read two books a week. He said he would rather me not read the books and show the plan to make money. That’s how you know that these people don’t care about helping people. The more Roundtable members praise Orrin, the more TEAM blogs make it in the first two Google pages when you search life, team, etc. I Bet these roundtable members don’t even know what their doing, Orrin is probably telling them that they need to blog to gain leadership status and possibly be a top leadership guru. He also might be telling them that if they blog, whenever your down-line mentions you to a prospect, they will see your website and your business will explode. It is so crazy that before people on full system were getting brainwashed by 17 CD’s a month. And they were always promoting the media war, garbage in garbage out, Reprogram your thinking, etc. how is that not thought reform?

  13. Criticalthinker permalink
    June 23, 2012 7:19 am

    “Orrin knows that millions of people indirectly are counting on him What I mean by indirectly is that when a group of leaders are out educating people all over this continent that Orrin has developed thru a training system he has put together and when people research Orrin’s name and a bunch of negative comes up about him, some people will get scared away.”

    HAHAHA Jim Martin’s Professional leadership blog. Just a man I want as a life coach, some professional who can’t spell with a blog full of run on sentences.

    ” I find it funny when someone believes a person online that can write anything about anyone and they believe it, but when you look at “Leadership Gurus” and see Orrin ranked number 6 in the world ask yourself, who is the more credible source?”

    I love how he puts leadership gurus in quotes. I wonder if he is doing this as some sort of inside joke because he knows it is a scamsite. Obviously your blog is making an impact. this is probably one of maybe four websites that criticize team, yet team acts like people hate team all over the internet. You should find a way to add some sort of survey box at the top of the page that says, ” After reading this blog, did you decide to:

    A. Quit TEAM
    B. Not join TEAM
    C. Continue To stay in TEAM.

    I Bet you will go to a million people saved from this scam way before Orrin goes to a hundred thousand people “Blessed by the LIFE changing information.

  14. webelieved permalink
    June 23, 2012 8:14 am

    Critical Thinker- It is thought reform, that is why I always say it. Take Cd’s add in deception, the top controlling information, the heirarcy structure, punishments and rewards, no negative allowed and you have a perfect cult cocktail! It is also why when people quit listening to the propaganda, stop associating in fake/ manipulated environment- THEY ALWAYS QUIT!

  15. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 25, 2012 10:42 am

    I noticed all the Team LIEF ..waxing and propaganda campaigners are on a mission of ‘reputation management for orrin’ who we know are google bombing with their blogs and are labeling Amthrax and those on here as “Amway Drones?” Implying we are working for Amway!!! That is hysterical even the most naive and gullible can figure out their lies on this one and how foolish this makes them look!

    This IS a no brainer and such a pathetic attempt it isn’t even a convincing lie! …Do they seriously believe anyone would fall for this?..haha

    How could anyone, even the most gullible, check to see if this is just “propaganda” to ‘try’ and discredit and claim a ‘motive’ for critics. They are trying their damndest to ‘persuade’ others to believe this ridiculous lie?

    It is simple!!! Check out the links on Amthrax’s site, and then use your common sense!!…It is a well know fact every blogger on the Web, ( that I have seen,do your own research it this is too hard to figure out ) even the Team/LIEfers have links to other sites (to help w/google bombing game) But here is the clue all bloggers have links on their sites to who they endorse, support, and or read!!!

    Now, Click those links from Amthrax’s site and see if ANYONE of those links supports Amway?…Start with the link to Anna Banana!!…haha… Then move right along to Joe Cool and Juicescam?!! Let us know if you find anywhere Amthrax endorses Amway! Then ask yourself the question, does anything point to Amthrax or anyone on here who supports or endorses Amway?

    This is the Liefers vindictive ways to cloud others thinking…and how they use their ridiculous propaganda and spread lies!

    They want all the naïve and gullible to believe, that we are “competitors” working for Amway which implies are motive is; we are being paid by Amway…HAHAHAHAHA!!!
    Nope, but I guarantee all those google bombing Liefer bloggers who are spreading this propaganda and LIES are getting paid by Orrin’s Company!!!

    So Team LIE.(f)..er.. ‘Drones’… PROVE to all those you are lying to that we are “competitors” and ‘Amway Drones!” Oh that is right you can’t!…You are happy with just telling that lie using your undue influence! And you just expect them naïve and gullible ‘followers’ to believe you without question…and not use their own critical thinking you have stripped them of…that.. WHATEVER comes out of your mouths is the gospel and they are NOT to question it; they will soon find that out!

    Speaking of… “Competitors”…Perhaps orrin & co. should tell the Truth upfront (since Bill Lewis says orrin does EXACTLY that!) to all the Team/LIEfers and fix the problem with their own MLM business!!

    If the compensation plan isn’t dismal enough for everyone….EVERY single person in Team/ LIEF are in competition with each other! Including your own downline!!! Upline, and orrin! The Team LIEfers who supposedly own their own independent business are fighting over the same people in the same communities/territories including your own members!!! You have absolutely NO territorial Rights or protection in Team/LIEf!!!

    It only takes a minute to THINK and realize this is the truth!… “REAL” sales companies protect their sales people territories, for a reason!!

    I can’t even imagine a single free thinking individual who could not see the obvious lies they are trying to convince others of!

  16. webelieved permalink
    June 26, 2012 7:07 am

    Speak- I saw that- Amway Drones!? LOL! That is the funniest thing I have heard them say. Anyone who reads this site knows that is a bold faced lie. The PC know they are lying. I am wondering when some of the PC lower level leaders will quit ? It must prick their conciense knowing their PC call themselves Christians and then see them bold faced lie right in front of their faces!
    Trying to imply we work for Amway, ha. Not so smart.
    If we work for Amway, why do we criticize them as well and where the hell is our paychecks? Lmao!! What a redherring argument. They must be getting desperate!
    I also find it funny they are trying to imply we are criticizing real leaders like John Maxwell, Stephen Covey etc. I would bet they do not care if they are on some made up top 10 guru site, blah blah blah with Orrin Woodward. They don’t need such fluff since they are main stream and everyone knows who they are and they earned their reputation ethically in mainstream America1
    They didn’t need to get their followers to buy multiple copies of their book to make it a bestseller and then sent it to them again to purchase! They also don’t need to brag about themselves being bestsellers everyday of their lives. LOL!

  17. webelieved permalink
    June 26, 2012 7:10 am

    HEY I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE PC AND ROUND TABLES! THANKS FOR WRITING YOUR ARTICLES AND POINTING YOUR FOLLOWERS AND NEW PROSPECTS TO LOOK FOR AMTHRAX’S SITE, WE APPRECIATE IT! 🙂

  18. webelieved permalink
    June 26, 2012 7:13 am

    Speak- I love what you said about territories and competition. THAT IS THE TRUTH. I have seen people that are now PC, take people that have already been shown the plan by someone else and they knew it. I guess they were that desperate.
    There is such a thing as saturation and I have seen it. You are competing with everyone including your downline, your competition, the PC can take your teams away from you. What a great business! not.

  19. June 27, 2012 7:31 am

    @Amthrax

    Said Criticalthinker @June 23, 2012 7:19 am,

    After reading this blog, did you decide to:
    A. Quit TEAM
    B. Not join TEAM
    C. Continue To stay in TEAM.

    Hey Amthrax I like that idea, is it possible to put up such a survey on here? Also expand it to entire pretend MLM industry as some of us never were Teammunists.

  20. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 27, 2012 9:43 am

    I agree this would be a good measuring tool. 🙂

  21. June 27, 2012 2:02 pm

    There used to be a similar poll in the MLM Punisher post, but for some reason, it’s no longer there. Not sure why that is.

    I guess I could start up a new poll asking the same question.

  22. webelieved permalink
    June 27, 2012 2:28 pm

    Amthrax it would be great on the front page. Somewhere everyone would see it.

  23. Brent Hansen permalink
    June 27, 2012 2:54 pm

    You know me. Measurable and definitive is exciting. Great idea everyone!

  24. webelieved permalink
    June 27, 2012 3:08 pm

    I think you could add another answer….”I quit before I saw this site.”

  25. June 28, 2012 11:47 am

    Hey do you guys ever look at both of Orrin’s twitter accounts at who’s following him? The majority of the accounts are clearly spam accounts. LOL! You know, like either those promo accounts for business/products that clearly have nothing to do with the MLM industry, leadership, or TEAM/LIFE and then those random named accounts that have ZERO tweets (read: inactive) and no profile.

    Remeber during the GOP leadership race when it came out in the media that Gingrich basically paid to have a bunch of hollow accounts follow him on Twitter just so that it would look like he had more followers then he actually did…

    Humm….

  26. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 28, 2012 12:05 pm

    Great point NJ! It is their M.O.!

  27. June 28, 2012 12:24 pm

    @Natalie: I’ve noted this before as well. It’s clear that he’s set up his account to automatically follow anybody who follows him.

  28. free to live again! permalink
    June 29, 2012 5:32 am

    Because of the comment above about Orrin’s Twitter account, I searched for Chris Brady in Twitter and came across this wonderful video on a new book he wrote about the Art of Vacation. Seriously “Italy: The Art of Vacation” Really??!!

  29. webelieved permalink
    June 29, 2012 9:52 am

    Funny the video was removed by the user.

  30. webelieved permalink
    June 29, 2012 9:53 am

    NO SUPRISE…….

  31. free to live again! permalink
    June 29, 2012 5:25 pm

    Eh well, just go to youtube, type in the search AMonthofItaly and it will pop up. I just did it, and the video popped up, but I wouldn’t be surprised if by the time you get to it, it’s gone or blocked or something. But now I’m confused as to how I’m supposed to learn about the art of vacation. Guess I’ll have to join team life again 🙂 haha

  32. John permalink
    June 29, 2012 5:48 pm

    A month of Italy? Chris Brady and his family can take a vacation and bask in the sun and enjoy the sights and sounds of Tuscany only because he is living off the sweat and tears of all those he and his comrades are scamming. The leaders of the Team are pathetic. They know the truth. Their business does not work for anyone but a few at the top. Have you no conscience or decency? When will you Team leaders wake up and realize you are deceiving thousands by your business. I don’t know how these guys can sleep at night. Chris when you look at all your photos of your trip and you enjoy the memories let it sink deep into your soul that there are thousands of people who can’t afford your junk and yet spend and go into debt every month believing that if they just stay at it a little bit longer they will have a chance to live the good life like you at the top of your pyramid scam. As you reap the benifits of your corrupt business they reap the painful realities that each month they are deeper and deeper in debt and no closer to Tuscany than the man on the moon. How out of touch are you Chris Brady with reality? While we are facing the worst economy in our life time you are telling the average American to dream about going to Italy for a monty. Who do you know that can afford that? Oh yes, I forgot your two buddies. You must be proud of yourself.
    Enjoy the photos and the memories of Tuscany. Next time you go to Italy why don’t you buy a one way ticket.

  33. Speak Your Truth permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:09 pm

    John~

    Great Post.

    It appears the Brady’s are currently in Italy, according to twitter accounts. They must have ‘collected’ off the BOM already to have returned so quickly? Is MV in Italy?

    Perhaps, Chris B. needed to go back to write the sequel to the ‘Art of Vacationing’ or more appropriately you spelled it out…. The ‘art’ or ‘how to’.. of reaping the benefits off the masses blood, sweat, and tears, with their corrupt and unviable business that pays for their Families vacation in Italy.

    Then they can return and ‘repeat the process’.. to cram their books down the throats of the masses (BOM) and expect them to pay over and over (numerous copies per household) for their families next ‘month’ stay in Italy.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that isn’t the ‘plan’ ; to get a one way ticket to run from their tarnished and disrespected reputation they have earned for themselves in America.

  34. webelieved permalink
    June 29, 2012 10:09 pm

    John- How are you? Good to see you!

  35. Speak Your Truth permalink
    July 4, 2012 10:24 am

    To all you who are truly FREE….Happy Independent Day! I couldn’t be more grateful to you all and that the scales were removed and now I am truly Free to live my own life, be true to myself, my true purpose!!!

    Thank You, Amthrax….I hope your day is blessed with joy and thank you for helping so many people find real freedom!

    And most of All, although there are no words in the English language to express my deepest gratitude I feel to All of our service men and women and their families who have sacrified, risk their lives on a daily basis and fought and continue to fight for our freedom…..I salute and honor you all.

  36. webelieved permalink
    July 4, 2012 10:36 am

    Speak- I second your comments! To independence and FREEDOM!

  37. Speak Your Truth permalink
    July 4, 2012 12:08 pm

    Webelieved~

    Hope you and all the rest have an “Explosive” day ‘fit’ with faith, fireworks, family, friends, food, freedom, fun!……Just wanted everyone to know..you all have Amthrax site ‘exploding!’ 🙂

  38. HisMercyendures permalink
    August 16, 2012 1:22 am

    I just attended a Life meeting at somebody’s house. I was curious to know what somebody at my church does, because I had seen him calling people with another woman. So he invited me to her house which her and her mom and stepfather was also into this “business”. I didn’t meet the mother, who was sleeping and wasn’t feeling well, which she’s MIA like that often. As soon as the webinar came on they cheered and clapped for somebody. I couldn’t tell who it was the person. A higher up or something perhaps. I took notes because they handed me a pad and encouraged me to do so. So I do have no say all of the points with being successful were good. After the webinar was over, they clapped like he was Jesus or something, and said he was great, then they were talking about people who spoke at conferences or Cd’s. “Oh did you hear so and so, he was incredible, really good.” Then I had asked about prices about meetings. They said 4 of them are free, then they are 10 dollars, and $40 for conferences. I was thinking to myself. Then this other guy that was there said to me, “I seen you were taking notes, I’m impressed. He repeated that about 5 times. How the heck did he know I was taking notes, he sat away from me with his eyes glued to the TV during the webinar. I felt uncomfortable there. I was there since 8pm and we didn’t leave until 11:45pm. They said stuff, about the business and the guy who said that stuff to me asked my church friends, friend (the girl who recruited him) that if she wanted to get this other girl that was there(who my church friend bought and I go to college with her) started! I asked how much money did my church friend make. He told me he made $10, and he’s been doing it for 4 months now! He goes, “Hey at least it was $10 dollars.” That’s crazy. Not for nothing it does sound like a cult, and so transparent, regardless that they are Christians, there is no Holy Spirit filled thing about this “TEAM” I’m glad I looked this up. The friend who brought my church friend into this thing gave me a CD to listen too about a young couple who retired at 21 years old. I’m going to give it back.

  39. HisMercyendures permalink
    August 16, 2012 1:28 am

    I just wanted to add, I’ve been to meeting before, never had to pay, except for conferences, that I understand, if they were out of town! I know my church friend and how well spoken he is, and how excited and driven he is. I’m shocked in 4 months that’s all he made $10!! Something’s wrong there. Yeah, the team leader gets the meeting money. No wonder why my other church friend wasn’t interested, I can see why now!

  40. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    August 31, 2012 8:22 am

    In this TEAM video by Chris Brady….he begins with the propaganda of: if it is DUPLICATABLE AND YOU CAN HAVE EXPONENTIAL GROWTH….”(yada yada)……hey, did he forget that this is the same principle that viruses and bacteria use 🙂

    See link for this Hard Work / Smart Work video.

    http://www.the-team.biz/DesktopModules/TheTeamPublic/FL/39724887/FLVideoGallery.html

    CHRIS BRADY WILL BE THE GUESS SPEAKER 9/8/12 IN MILWAUKEE, FOR DAN HAWKINS’ AREA OF LIFE/team-STEALTH group. at

    Monthly Seminar
    5:00p Saturday, September 08, 2012
    Crowne Plaza Milwaukee Airport
    6401 South 13th Street
    Milwaukee , WI 53221
    414-563-4075
    Success Talk Speaker: Chris & Terri Brady
    General Session Speaker: Chris & Terri Brady

    See this schedule for other upcoming Monthly meeting headed by the gurus:

    http://www.the-team.biz/tabid/249/Default.aspx

    ________________

    Does anyone know how much money this will cost my son to attend??

  41. webelieved permalink
    August 31, 2012 8:51 am

    I think it is $35. At least that’s what I heard last. You should go to get an idea what your son is seeing…… Brady is very funny and a very good speaker. Too bad he’s using his talent to brainwash and pillage followers and not using his talents for the good of humanity. 😦

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