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Eric Blomdahl versus Raquel Peters – Not Your Average Quitter – Legitimizing the Critics… with a Lawsuit?

November 7, 2012

Update January 30, 2012: Contribute to Raquel’s legal fund and help her fend off the frivolous lawsuit by Eric Blomdahl.

Update November 11, 2012: Updated with scans of the legal documents, Case # CV 12 432.


The war of words is escalating between current and former TEAM members. Contrasting Raquel Peter’s and Melanie Morgan’s stories and comments here on this site and on Facebook, we have TEAM/LIFE member Eric Blomdahl posting his side of the story on his personal blog. Blomdahl1 previously wrote about this topic in May, 2012. This time, he has enlisted the support of Raquel’s cousin, Tim Samuels, who provides his own account of the chaotic period of time between Amway/Quixtar and MonaVie. The post is too long to copy here, so go over to Blomdahl’s site to read it.

He said. She said. He said. She said. Repeat.

What continues to be fascinating is that Eric Blomdahl is directly addressing the critics. This is a great development for a number of reasons.

First, it’s clear from both sides that the situation was by no means a simple case of, “Oh, the Peters lost their dream, so they quit the business.” Rather, it was complex firestorm of personality conflicts, political squabbling, and murky (or non-existent) business contracts. This sounds a lot like what happens in a traditional job (something TEAM/LIFE loves to denigrate and poo-poo), doesn’t it? The only difference is that Raquel didn’t have an independent HR person to turn to for help. The nature of MLMs means “conflict resolution” has to go upline, and we all know that the upline isn’t exactly unbiased in the matter.

Second, for years now, MLM proponents such as TEAM/LIFE have consistently labeled critics as nameless, faceless, quitters who have no dream. This was their catch-all argument for dismissing any critique about their business. They — or at least Blomdahl — can no longer lay claim to this argument as more and more people are coming forward publicly with their stories about the TEAM/LIFE business.

Third, by engaging in a debate with critics — even if it’s through a series of back and forth blog posts — Blomdahl is giving the critics legitimacy. Critics serve to point out real problems with most multi-level marketing firms, and TEAM/LIFE is no exception. The indisputable facts that are being presented lately are primarily the words and actions of the TEAM/LIFE leaders themselves. How can a TEAM/LIFE member explain a Round Table member filing for bankruptcy one day and speaking at a Tuesday Open seminar the next day? How can Orrin Woodward talk about all this explosive growth in TEAM MonaVie from 2008-2010 only later to categorize that time as a period of “trials and tribulations?”

It’s clear to me that TEAM/LIFE members needs to conduct “conflict resolution” with themselves. Their words and actions certainly demonstrate there’s a difference between rhetoric and reality.

Update November 8, 2012: Mark and Raquel Peters were served papers yesterday by Eric Blomdahl. First, here’s the quote from Blomdahl hinting at legal action:

The time has come to get this matter behind us once and for all so that everyone involved can get on with their lives and get back to constructive things. I have reviewed all the posts, texts, activities, and documentation regarding Raquel’s activities. And in the process, the number of people who are willing to be personal witnesses is overwhelming. Therefore, I have decided it is time to get an outside, impartial, third-party involved to help resolve this matter. So I wanted each of you to be the first to know that I have turned this matter over to my attorney and we have asked a judge to step in and determine who’s telling the truth.

And here’s Raquel’s comments on being served:

“Yes it is true, I have been served with a complaint by Mr. Blomdahl. Does anyone else believe this is a frivolous lawsuit designed to scare former members of Team from telling their stories? It is my suspicion this was done strategically with the knowledge of Team leaders, to scare me, because important information on the group is getting out to the public. I know the documentation, some already posted by Mr. Blomdahl and the Samuels themselves, will prove Mr Blomdahl WAS given my lesser leg, the Samuels team in Team Profit Sharing which was approved by Orrin Woodward and George Guzzardo and moved to Mr Blomdahls back office, by Team office workers. This was done based on the letter sent to the Team office by the Samuels in summer of 2009. This was a team that Mr. Blomdahl was getting credit for in Team.

With regards to Mr Blomdahls’ ridiculous claims, I and others have only shared our experiences as they happened to us in Team and we believe we have that right. Mark and I believe the accusations in the complaint against us will be found to be groundless. I am sure documentation and the many witnesses to what has transpired on Team will prove the information we/I have shared of our experience with Team and/or Mr. Blomdahl over the years while building his Team, to be truthful. Unfortunately for Mr. Blomdahl, many parts of his blog articles and the Samuels’ contributions are slanderous, groundless and/or downright deceptions. We will be defending ourselves on those attacks with documentation and/or witnesses in the future and I am sure the information we will share will make Mr Blomdahl’s comments look very foolish.

We would guess the ex-Team community will be interested in what has transpired behind the scenes in the Team, Monavie and the Life businesses these past few years. We believe very interesting information and documentation will come out in the discovery process should this go to court. Since the group is secretive about it’s activities in switching lines of sponsorship etc., we hope to be able to share information with other ex-members to help them if needed. Of course we can only do this if we are allowed to by the court.

Mark and I find Mr. Blomdahl’s complaint ridiculous and offensive to ours and everyone’s basic right to freedom of speech! If Mr. Blomdahl really wants to open the can of worms the Team activities have created and make them public knowledge…… he has every right, just as we have a right to share our story and our opinions.

If anyone would like to help with information, or testimony on what happened to you while involved with Team, Team Monavie, or Life please send me your name and phone number to my personal/ private FB page, and I will call you and get your information. As I believe in your right to be anonymous, I want you to be aware when contacting me that Mr Blomdahl’s attorney may want to review all electronic devices, messages etc. that I have, so keep that in mind. Thanks again everyone for your support.

We look forward to the whole truth coming out so we can end this chapter in our lives and move on. 🙂 ”

Update November 11, 2012: Updated with scans of the legal documents, Case # CV 12 432. I have blocked out the addresses of the defendants and plaintiffs in the PDF. Click the link below to download it.


1 Astute readers will recall that Blomdahl was once warned (by then friends and co-workers) that Amway/Quixtar was a pyramid scheme years before he and his TEAM compatriots accused it of being a pyramid scheme.

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229 Comments leave one →
  1. No Team For Me permalink
    November 7, 2012 6:33 am

    Interesting that Amthrax & Raquel’s Facebook page both allow people with opposite views to post their comments unfiltered, yet Eric & the Teamscammers don’t do the same. Makes it pretty easy to see who to trust and who the liar is. Why are Eric & Orrin so afraid of the truth? Why do they need to filter the information people see?
    Reading a blog from Orrin & Eric is almost the same thing as watching MSNBC cover politics.

  2. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 7, 2012 6:57 am

    Did you guys see the part, using some of Eric B.s links, where they are now threatening to sue Raquel? I think it’s time for Raquel to build the same type of timeline letter, showing links to the emails SHE has, too. I can’t believe a bonafide corporate business would just go out on the attack against one. Bwhahahahahha! Raquel must be very threatening to them. They have asked their team members to ask Raquel something like this: how are you going to help us to achieve our dreams? I would like to ask the Team “leaders” (term used almost in mockery): how can you follow disgusting, cowardly weasels who put up posts that suggest this: that if you don’t join, you’ll piss yourself and reek of the piss instead of the smell of success (<—–Dan Hawkins's own words).

    Egad: get a grip TEAM/Life: sending out Blomdahl to be your front toady dog did NOT work! Hmmmmm, go ahead and sue Raquel….I'm sure there's a legion out there who'd love to come to court to testify……..and THEN, you will have THAT splashed all over the Internet, too, thereby PROVING Woodward is really not the great corporate leadership guru he claims to be, etc.—be careful of what you threaten, it may backfire.

    I, for one, would be willing to help to pay for an attorney to look into Team/Life's breach into family psychology, health care, counseling, etc., to see if you are practicing without a license. You've already destroyed my family with your teachings and sarcastic approach to those who think your business is nothing but a scam meant to keep the top rich, etc. (for Christ's sake, even the FTC knows better) —so I'll be there with bells on my toes to support Raquel! Can't WAIT to show the judge some of Hawkins's posts, etc., too!

  3. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 7, 2012 7:23 am

    They can’t sue. Once they do, all of this will come out. They’d be in trouble. Too much intent to deceive.

    What I find very interesting is that Orrin has always said, “Never answer your critics. let your results speak for you.”

    If that statement is true, and Orrin & co are answering their critics, a logical thinking person would assume…….what…….about their results?

  4. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 7, 2012 7:51 am

    In addition…..When only the top leaders were blogging, I didn’t notice anything wrong. They had me. But when Mark, Tim & Orrin started suggesting that we all post to the blogs, I realized this was much more than getting LIFE to post high in the search engines. They were answering their critics.

    I began to read those critics. THEN….and ONLY THEN….did I realize that the pitiful results that I was seeing in my own group were the same everyone else was seeing in their groups. I was always lead to believe it was just us and our group. Everyone else was exploding. Look at all the recognition. Crosslining is very eye opening.

  5. freedomhaha permalink
    November 7, 2012 1:45 pm

    I am excited for the rebuttal using documentation of Eric’s story. Two points are obvious to me from this article. The first that is this site along with the Facebook site are getting to the top “leadership” even more. It would be unthinkable for this type of article to come out 2-3 years ago unless it affected their bottom line. If this situation was not causing them to lose money then it would be a non-issue. I also don’t believe any TEAMcult “leadership” site is in the least valid unless it offers people from both sides of the issue to leave a comment. Isn’t it painfully obvious that they have something to cover up with all of the filtering they do with their comments? If you are still in TEAM, WAKE UP! The time to get out is now before things get much, much worse.

  6. No Team For Me permalink
    November 7, 2012 4:19 pm

    If they ever attempt to sue Raquel, there would be a bunch of us willing to testify. I would definitely be willing to spend my own money to make sure I could be by Raquel’s side and would gladly turn over a bunch of great evidence I have to her attorney.

    I think Teamscam realizes they don’t want to open that can of worms. Once everything comes out in the courtroom – they are toast.

  7. November 7, 2012 4:23 pm

    Raquel informed me over email that she was served with papers today. Here’s the case number:

    Oneida County. Case 12cv 432

    As of this afternoon, however, the case information has not yet been posted online. Will have more information as it comes in.

  8. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 7, 2012 4:38 pm

    OMG…..are you serious? Eric is really going after her? The last gasp of a dying man it sounds like. Please keep us up to speed.

    Amthrax, can we start a new post that tracks this case to keep it in the spotlight?

  9. November 7, 2012 5:09 pm

    Yes, when I get a copy of the legal papers, I’ll create a new post. This is as good of a post as any to comment in for the time being.

  10. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 7, 2012 5:48 pm

    Yeah, this is really rich….um, Eric seems to think he’s losing business just because of Raquel through her so-called defamation of his character, etc., ….like no one else has ever complained or called them scammers? You know what I think they really are after? The shutting down of this site, i.e., Amthrax—-they already want all of her comments off of here and the fB page gone (among other sundry demands)…if they manage to squelch her right to free speech, losing this site ain’t far behind. If you ask me…most of the blog and what she told me smells of, um “Wood” behind the scenes, pullin’ puppet strings. From from what was delivered today, she’s got MORE than enough ammo to raise a judge’s eyebrows as to who was zoomin’ who….I’m tellin’ ya, by the time she gets done with her answer, they may well be sorry they did this to her—–get a lawyer and have him/her subpoena records going back YEARS on Woodward, etal. How’s that for starters?

    IMHO: she shouldn’t show them all of her cards on here….I say, take the 45 days and make a thorough answer, with notarized exhibits of proof. But that’s just MHO.

    This should stand as a lesson to the poor slobs in LIFE/Team: beware, this could happen to you, too. Blomdahl is a coward and talk about defaming someone online? LOL!

    Amthrax: I wonder when you’ll get served with orders to release identities….

  11. freedomhaha permalink
    November 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    Wow.

  12. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 7, 2012 8:59 pm

    Yes it is true, I have been served with a complaint by Mr. Blomdahl. Does anyone else believe this is a frivolous lawsuit designed to scare former members of Team from telling their stories? It is my suspicion this was done strategically with the knowledge of Team leaders, to scare me, because important information on the group is getting out to the public. I know the documentation, some already posted by Mr. Blomdahl and the Samuels themselves, will prove Mr Blomdahl WAS given my lesser leg, the Samuels team in Team Profit Sharing which was approved by Orrin Woodward and George Guzzardo and moved to Mr Blomdahls back office, by Team office workers. This was done based on the letter sent to the Team office by the Samuels in summer of 2009. This was a team that Mr. Blomdahl was getting credit for in Team.

    With regards to Mr Blomdahls’ ridiculous claims, I and others have only shared our experiences as they happened to us in Team and we believe we have that right. Mark and I believe the accusations in the complaint against us will be found to be groundless. I am sure documentation and the many witnesses to what has transpired on Team will prove the information we/I have shared of our experience with Team and/or Mr. Blomdahl over the years while building his Team, to be truthful. Unfortunately for Mr. Blomdahl, many parts of his blog articles and the Samuels’ contributions are slanderous, groundless and/or downright deceptions. We will be defending ourselves on those attacks with documentation and/or witnesses in the future and I am sure the information we will share will make Mr Blomdahl’s comments look very foolish.

    We would guess the ex-Team community will be interested in what has transpired behind the scenes in the Team, Monavie and the Life businesses these past few years. We believe very interesting information and documentation will come out in the discovery process should this go to court. Since the group is secretive about it’s activities in switching lines of sponsorship etc., we hope to be able to share information with other ex-members to help them if needed. Of course we can only do this if we are allowed to by the court.

    Mark and I find Mr. Blomdahl’s complaint ridiculous and offensive to ours and everyone’s basic right to freedom of speech! If Mr. Blomdahl really wants to open the can of worms the Team activities have created and make them public knowledge…… he has every right, just as we have a right to share our story and our opinions.

    If anyone would like to help with information, or testimony on what happened to you while involved with Team, Team Monavie, or Life please send me your name and phone number to my personal/ private FB page, and I will call you and get your information. As I believe in your right to be anonymous, I want you to be aware when contacting me that Mr Blomdahl’s attorney may want to review all electronic devices, messages etc. that I have, so keep that in mind. Thanks again everyone for your support.

    We look forward to the whole truth coming out so we can end this chapter in our lives and move on. 🙂

  13. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 7, 2012 10:10 pm

    Raquel: read WI law, Sec. 942.01 on defamation. In this state, it looks like you have to have been telling untruths for it to be defamation (I believe if it’s printed word, it’s libel defamation; if it’s spoken, it’s slander defamation):

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/942.pdf

    Also: Eric would have to show, to be able to PROVE that his business was lost solely because of your purposeful untrue statements. (Just your own stats and others on here, I’m sure, too, will be able to show how many people leave the biz shortly after joining, anyway.) He’s going to have to prove that you were intentionally trying to hurt him with lies, at least that’s how it looks in this state. And how are they going to “explain away” the Morgans? He’s going to have to prove that his income has diminished because of you—I mean, that’s a big part of his whining, right? So that means: others will have to be deposed who use your name, or testify that it was you.

    I could be wrong, but I think they are forgetting one thing: if you ARE telling the truth as an individual and if it was for the “public interest”, e.g., your intent was to spare others from harms committed against you—-just like FTC stats that suggest one should not get into these MLMs–that it may hold more weight in a court.

    There’s other info out there, too, and some lawyers are now representing internet blogging problems, etc.

    I say: don’t forget that ol’ Danny boy mentionws YOU by name in a recent meeting, too—and you were never in LIFE/Team……so what the heck, time for a little counter-suit? I’d call that REAL defamation! Oh, and wasn’t he bad-mouthing Pastor Dickie at that one, too?

    Am truly hoping that W of Oz puppeteering from behind the curtain has a backfiring blomfartski here. Hmmmm….time to request ALL business records from the Wiz since you first ever worked under him? And phone records, and emails, etc. And how about all records on about the complaint-perp?

  14. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 7, 2012 11:58 pm

    I have stacks and stacks of documentation to prove my story is true along with a lot of witnesses. Some current leaders in Team/Life may be subpenaed to testify against their own. I guess it ALL is going to come out!

    You will see, while Orrin said Team was not the business that we were promised residual income in (which is b.s. in my opinion) in Eric’s complaint they call his business “Team”. I wonder why that is when Life is the business according to team leaders? Instead of calling us profit sharers in the complaint, it was called director, which is untrue. I never was a director, in fact there was no such term in 2008 or before. Blomdahl and I were both profit sharers .Help if anyone knows why they would use these terms. I wonder if perhaps there is something they are hiding? I was told by Jammie Fisher in 09, when Team took Samuels team out of my back office, that Orrin changed profit sharing to a Directors contract because he realized Team profit sharing was an illegal pyramid scheme! What the heck? Does anyone wonder what is going on here?. Now Team/ Life distributors are called customers but when prospects are shown the plan it is implied they are business owners! We never called distributors, customers. I wonder what is going on?
    I believe It is going to take a judge a long time to figure all their shennanigans out, with them changing the program, terms, names etc all the time.
    By the way, Thanks Wisdom I appreciate your input!

  15. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 8, 2012 2:46 am

    Wisdom- Check this out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation
    I wonder if this is law in Wisconsin? It seems this would be thrown out.

    I find this whole thing interesting since our family of four, thanks to our involvment in Team in my opinion, is living on only @ $ 25,ooo a year. That is right, we who earned over $100K from Team/Quixtar in 07 are currently under the poverty level and that is including what is left of our MV income after Team took $2000 in volume a month from our business when they moved into Life, last fall. Our home is not quite in foreclosure and we are upside down trying to sell at $94,000 with no luck. Our credit is ruined due to the last 4 years. We have no retirement since we used it to keep our Team business going while we were of course counting on the passive income we earning from Team. Our cars both have over 200,000 miles on them, one a 1995. Since we have already stated much of this online, I would guess the powers that be understand there is nothing to gain financially from us. Our upline also cannot deny they have made lots of money over many, many years from the work I and then Mark did under them. They know our experience will be documented on paper or by testimony by their own upline and anything else will be his word against mine. So what is his real reason for this litigation?To make me afraid? To shut me up? To scare everyone? What?

    By the way, If a person is speaking the truth, it becomes a full defense against defamation in Wisconsin and the burden is on the accuser, I believe. We also have a first amendment right to tell our story, share our opinions in public, and to write online.

    Some of the allegations in the document I read don’t even make sense and are so off the wall, I am not sure where they are even coming from. For instance, if I am understanding correctly, one claims seems to say that I accused Eric of not paying me my profit sharing! Now I am not sure where they would get that from as of course he never paid me profit sharing. I wouldn’t expect him to, as that would be the Team office’s responsibility! Why would they even say something so crazy? Another claims I said Eric stole Billy Florence’s team, now not sure why I would say that since the Team office had to give some one Billy’s team and it went to Dan Hawkins that I know for sure, not Eric. Another crazy one…. that came from where?

    He also seems to assert his rights, to his team… but what I wonder is.where does his team stop and mine start? And where were my rights to my team, the one I built, when he irreparably damaged it in the registration into MV? Perhaps the pilfering of the MV l.o.s into Life by Team leaders, or the l.o.s. in Team being changed all over secretly, or maybe the registration fiasco that was shady and against Q contract for some, or the supposed deadline that was never explained, the AG papers that I was told to get by my upline saying I and they were in a pyramid scheme, and other things the team has done will surely come out in court.

    Seriously………. are they dumb? Do they really want all of this documented information of all the shady things the Team has done and some of us participated in, out in the public for their followers to see?! …… I cannot even believe it! Instead of a dread this may turn out to be a blessing in the long run……..especially when the truth is what I’ve been after all along….

    So what is the real reason for this litigation? What do you th

  16. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 8, 2012 3:46 am

    Raquel,

    This sounds like a knee jerk reaction. Sounds like they are scared and not sure what to do, so they will go to court. They are probably hoping you shut up. Do they realize the rest of us will just scream louder? They’d have to sue us all.

    We’re praying for you and mark, Raquel. Go get ’em.

    Sooooooo……now they don’t just answer their critics in a blog. They answer them with a lawsuit? They must really be hurting. Glad I am done with these people and very sad for my friends who are still in.

  17. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 8, 2012 5:49 am

    Raquel: I’m still waiting for you to take a deep breath here–take it before those clowns truly make you ill. This has been a big shock, to be sure. Now breathe! 🙂

    The site you sent me to on Wikipedia: yes, there seems to be a degree of truth to it, re: SLAPP suits, and I think that’s sort of built in to how WI views slander/libel (defamation) suits.

  18. freedomhaha permalink
    November 8, 2012 6:35 am

    Raquel- I am praying for you during this time. I believe that so much good will come out of this by getting it into public. Those of us that came here once upon a time looking for truth will back you 100% in this fight.

  19. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 8, 2012 8:07 am

    I guess now I have to contact everyone that was ever in my Team or knew me on Team to gather information. Should be interesting. If you were on my Team, upline, downline or you were crossline, if you saw me speak at a Team open, seminar, or meeting or you know anything about the situation with Blomdahl, please call me or better yet write a letter I can show the court. Please mention anything you know about my business building abilities, about Team and specifically why you quit, what happened in your team or the Team from Quixtar and MV through Life. Also please state if your teams were messed with during the registration into MV or Life, or anything else you feel is relevant. It may also help to state if you made a profit or loss etc. while in Team. Please be sure to also discuss if your Team or MV and Life business grew or dropped, to what extent over the last years and what caused it. Also state the promises that were made on income, by who, how you or they would receive it, the plan they showed, the lifestyle claims and where they came from etc. Any cds and emails you may have that will show how the group worked. Please contact me for my number on my messaging, to find out where to send it. Also, if you were told why Mark and I or John and Melanie were no longer at Team functions, that would be really helpful information to know as we have been slandered all over the place and I am sure will be filing a counter-suit for all the things Team and their leaders have done to us. Thanks 🙂

  20. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 8, 2012 8:26 am

    Thanks Fredomhaha! I appreciate it. I’ve never went to court in my life. But I have nothing to hide, so I’m not worried about the outcome, just a bit anxious about the process. A long time ago I knew God chose me for a time like this. I believe their actions prove who they really are and getting the truth out will glorify Him, only because I am one of the weakest ones he could’ve chose.

  21. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 8, 2012 8:32 am

    I believe Team leaders had a lot of years in which they chose to lie about others or hide information. Now the truth about why people left is coming out and their own actions have made them look bad. That is their responsibility, it isn’t our job to lie for them or hide information from followers just so people will stay in the business! Their actions must be catching up to them?

  22. November 8, 2012 9:01 am

    I left this comment over at Eric Blomdahl’s site but I doubt it will get published. By the way, this isn’t the first time I’ve heard about questionable transfers of people from one business to the next with these characters. Good luck Raquel, if I had anything to offer I would provide it, but i was never involved with Woody and the gang, for which I am eternally grateful.

    Interesting…..

    You indicate you as business owners are free by saying, ” The Blomdahl’s did not “steal” us as claimed by the Peters. The last time we checked, we were not property – we were free.”

    Yet you then justify your actions in this matter with the comment, “And let’s be honest if you go around and trash your boss behind their back would you expect to still have a job. ”

    So I guess the big question here is, which is it? Interesting indeed. Don’t worry about posting this, I will copy & paste it onto Amthrax’s discussion on this topic. You guys need to understand if you are going to purport 2 way communication that you have to be prepared to participate in 2 way communication. This leads me to believe you aren’t being completely forthright. Your choice.

  23. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 8, 2012 9:15 am

    Amthrax, Raquel and others~

    Where is the “LIKE” button? 🙂

  24. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 8, 2012 9:54 am

    Yes funny Orrin says your free to leave Team, so not sure which argument is going to work for them. I mean the Samuels were free to leave me, according to Orrin, so aren’t others in Team free to leave Eric? Their hypocrisy is going to bite them….

  25. freedomhaha permalink
    November 8, 2012 11:15 am

    “You guys need to understand if you are going to purport 2 way communication that you have to be prepared to participate in 2 way communication. This leads me to believe you aren’t being completely forthright. Your choice.”

    BINGO! Lets take a look at the facts shall we? One site allows dissenting opinions while the other doesn’t. Based on a gut feeling which one would have something to cover up? Hmmmm.

  26. No Team For Me permalink
    November 8, 2012 2:33 pm

    Several people on from my group think we should start a legal defense fund for Raquel. This case could really help get the truth exposed for all to see. We have several people willing to contribute. Amthrax, could you facilitate this or could Raquel & Melanie do this through the facebook page? We think there would be A LOT of people who have been reading without commenting who would like to contribute.

  27. November 8, 2012 2:49 pm

    A good idea, but let’s wait until they get good legal representation. I’m sure there will be plenty of people who will contribute to a defense fund.

  28. john 3;16 permalink
    November 9, 2012 1:50 am

    wow! Hey Raquel, I’d love to sit down with ya in the next few days and just go over a few things you have said to me in the past and to others; when this all went down….I still remember when you, mark, and John were in a small school saying VERY CLEARLY…. ” Your leaders are looking for your support and I (John) will be there for him (Orrin)… can we count on you?” as John spoke…. I KNOW the truth…you are barking up the wrong tree and if you decide to go further I will not hold back my silence ( per some private conversations that will make your name very bad from when You and I talked together)….This is no longer about your comments… rather; its time for you to move forward with your life’s purpose, not profits!! I will not come back to this website again due to the general uneducated opinions of this group.

  29. November 9, 2012 8:39 am

    Ah, the classic “uneducated” fly-by commenter who lacks the confidence to discuss.

    If you want to truly discredit the people who frequent this website, it’s going to take a whole lot more than that, John 3:16.

    As it sits, you are just another person who is having a passive aggressive temper tantrum simply because you aren’t being allowed to control the message and information.

    Good luck with that attitude. You got Stinkin’ Thinkin’!

  30. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 9, 2012 9:57 am

    John 3:16,

    If you have something to say that would defend your position and make Raquel a liar, why threaten her? Just post it. We have nothing to hide here. And if you prove that Raquel is wrong, then she’s wrong, and I’ll publicly apologize for believing in an untruth.

    Frankly, I’m just looking for truth after being lied to (apparently) for 6 yrs. Honesty, I’d like to be wrong. That would mean I didn’t allow myself to be deceived.

  31. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 9, 2012 10:18 am

    John-

    I find it interesting that you come this site to threaten me without using your real name and then decide not to come back. I have nothing to hide, but maybe you do?

    I fully supported Team until I found the leadership to be unethical and later realized some of the things we were taught and asked to do were unethical! ….. I have nothing to hide there.

    Also, you lied in your comments, I wasn’t in that meeting in Hebron, at the school/community center, as I was coming back from my trip helping another team mate in Colorado. I showed up when the meeting was over. Though I did set it up, I missed the whole thing. I am not sure what your point is, as I have admitted I was a great, loyal, Team leader and did as I was told by my upline, until of course the registration fiasco into MV and the fiasco with the slander of John and Melanie Morgan!

    I am a whistle blower- John! That is the purpose God has given me. Educating the public on the deception that has taken place in Team and on the damage being involved in this group can do. Sorry the truth hurts. Your anger should be directed at Team Leadership, not me. Maybe you are under thought reform since you seem to not be able to understand?

    By the way John your argument on profit makes no sense as isn’t it the person suing me the one asking for money?! And it will be proven, he has made plenty of money from the work I did over the years. It will also be proven people quit the business for many reasons all the time, everyday. We all know it is build and replace. Perhaps they don’t like all the changes Team has made? All the money the have to spend to buy the same materials, over and over etc., or perhaps all the lies they have been told.

    Although…… maybe we should counter sue ? Isn’t it about time we get what was promised to us all those years………by your leaders, and whatvabout the slander and libel we have endured?!

    It seems you are threatening me John…..Are you saying I have no right to defend myself or have my own beliefs? Seems a bit crazy.

    Wow John…..your comments make no sense…..and you shouldn’t use a Bible verse and then threaten someone. It really makes you and worse yet, Christians look bad! Maybe I’ll see you in court. Have a great day!

  32. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 9, 2012 10:21 am

    john 3:16~

    What is your point?

    And seriously you use a Bible verse as your “anonymous” scene name to Bully and Threaten? you say: “you are barking up the wrong tree and if you decide to go further I will not hold back my silence” and private conversations that will make your name very bad” Really?

    What do you mean by “if you decide to go further?”

    “john 3:16” (whatever your real name?) I would be more concerned about what “bad” name you are making for yourself.

    You realize your threats and bulling are not going to help your case, right? And do you really expect Raquel to sit down with you when your have threatened her? WoW!

  33. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 9, 2012 10:25 am

    John by the way, conversations are your word against mine, so I hope being a Christian, you would tell the truth. If you have emails, post them, I would love to see them! But be sure to have some guts and use your name! We will be looking for testimony. Be sure everyone, I have nothing to hide. 🙂

  34. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 9, 2012 10:30 am

    Also john 3:16 unless you come back with your real name then the only conclusions is you only came here to bully and threaten and not to “sit down” with Raquel.

    Which one is it “john 3:16” is it that she is a bad person “leader” or was she following the “system” that taught everyone without the “system” you won’t become a “success”?

    “john 3:16” you are bringing shame to the bible verse you are using as your moniker.

  35. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 9, 2012 11:31 am

    You know I find the slander going on about me with regard to profiting to be interesting…..somehow they have gotten people to believe all I care about is money! Send a bit crazy since my
    my actions and bank statements, since leaving Team prove prove different. Obviously on some sites, people who I do not know are claiming that. Talk about slander…..WOW! I’m sure we can find the trail that leads back to where ever that slanderous statement started.

    I am amazed that after all the lies, line changing, mlm hopping, system changes, deception, bankruptcies, foreclosures etc. they are trying to blame me, solely for people quitting! I am not responsible for the lies others told about me or anyone else and somehow they try to blame me. Lol! Seems ridiculous to ask me to lie about my experience on Team to hide things for them? Is this ridiculous or what?

  36. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 9, 2012 11:34 am

    Should say, it seems ridiculous to EXPECT me to lie about my experience on Team.

  37. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 9, 2012 11:54 am

    John, by the way is your intention to make my name lol bad? Lol!
    This is like saying to a closet alchoholic after they already admited publicly they were an alcoholic….. “I’m gonna tell everyone you are an alcoholic, so you look bad!” How ridiculous! Lol!

    If John the comenter is John a big leader from my team, I stand by all I said to him at the meeting and outside the major, and there is proof and witneses that what I have said is the truth. Too bad many have chosen not to see it. Their opinions would change on what they are involved with, but I understand why they don’t want to see it. I feel sorry for people who chose to look the other way and stay with Team , as now my story is out and they don’t like it.

  38. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 9, 2012 1:04 pm

    Raquel~

    They claim they are and the Team “Culture” is noble, and change people’s lives in all 8 F’s for the better (Faith, Family, Finance, Fitness, Fun, Friends, Following, Freedom) but then there are tens if not hundreds of thousands who have been churned through who lost “financially”, never became “financially FREE” due to the fact their comp plan is designed top heavy and the failure rates and attrition are atrocious; so many who have been damaged relationally, who’s families have been divided, who have questioned their “faith” and lost “friends.” Their “culture” is clearly full of contradictions. They also have at least 3 bankruptcies and a Default and have those “coaches” “teach” from stages.

    They claim they are Christians about “conflict resolution” and then threaten, harass and bully including many other behaviors that would not be Christian like. Many who have experienced some of the PC “conflict resolution” know it is their way or the highway or nothing at all gets resolved. The “upline” trumps no matter right, wrong, unethical, or otherwise.

    They claim they are not about the money and are about cause, (Orrin said and others say they don’t do it for the money)but then serve papers to sue you for money…They “ Show the Plan” based on the prospect becoming “financially free”, “retire early”, have all your goals and dreams; like fancy cars, houses, and all the other material things they intentionally get others to say they want.

    They claim they have the best prices in the industry and the main thing is to “change culture and thinking” with their “system” but their prices for cd’s haven’t changed, nor have they made it cheaper the tickets for seminars and majors have gone up and down and up, free downloads have been around for a long time, if they were about helping others financially and the “information” is most important then why not free downloads?
    They claim you get “all your time back” and it’s a 2-3 year program, but then tell you it is going to take 5-6 nights per week, every Tuesday, one weekend a month and 4 majors per year, listen to at least 2-3 (hours) cd’s per day, read between 1-4 books per month and I don’t know of 1 person who got “all their time back” ever, let alone in 2-3 years.
    They claim they nor “your upline” would “ever do anything to hurt your business” and told everyone to “hold your spot” you are an “independent business owner” and you are building a pipeline, that will continue to pay you the rest of your life; passive, residual, willable, ongoing income based on bringing numbers to their system and THEN have secret meetings to slander and de-edify their own leaders and took many, many people’s business who lost “their spots” / “their independent business” away overnight after years of “holding their spots!”

    They claim they are transparent leaders and withhold and hide all kinds of information. Had hundreds of people to sign a contract that they could NOT read, take to an attorney, nor have a copy of. Never told the masses he was receiving a 3 million dollar contingency “loan” based on recruiting or for how many of the team went into Monavie. They also try and hide the history about them.

    They claim they teach people how to think and then tell them just to follow your upline, don’t try anything new, the “system is proven”. Tell them how to dress, who they can and cannot talk to, what to watch, read, and listen to. Whether you should make a purchase, when to quit your job, how to “think correctly”, etc.

    They claim they have a “proven system” and you will become “financially free” if you follow that system and you do what the pc have done you can have what they have, and then they don’t tell you people have been given other leaders teams that they did not build and that those who aren’t chosen at their discretion will NEVER get the same deal. They claim it is a “level playing field” for everyone?

    They claim YOU OWN your own business, and then they take people’s business for whatever reason they feel like it and give it to whoever they feel like it; without a notice of any kind and included this in their Policy & Procedures. They have also stated they were against the arbitration process with Amway and then included that in their P&P.

    They claim they had the fairest “profit-sharing” in the industry, that Orrin has integrity and then there are people who know that someone was not paid fairly and it has been also said Orrin has messed with the numbers in profit sharing. How would anyone know if they were “paid fairly?” They never told anyone the formula or how we are paid!

    They bash anonymous bloggers, and call them all kinds of names and some of them including Orrin (QRUSH) were anonymous bloggers!

    They accuse others of hurting their business and the leaders know they have repeatedly changed the cds, taken others profit sharing and teams away, changed their name to hide from the “negative truth”, used deceptive practices and tens of thousands have lost and will continue to lose money based on their comp. Their “system” (cd’s) became obsolete numerous times with no refunds and that costs the “independent business owner” thousands of losses they couldn’t be replaced or returned and hundreds if not thousands QUIT because of these loses.

    They prepared people for YEARS they were going to the “Wal-Mart of the Internet”, then when everyone believed that was were they were going they followed and Orrin decided Monavie was it, a company with a retail cost of $45 dollar bottle with basically 1 product.

    I am sure others can add many more contradictions, so please add to this.

  39. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 9, 2012 2:12 pm

    Melanie,

    We can add that they claim to be leadership gurus and excellent mentors in all areas on the 8 F’s, but Mark Paul, who is a HUGE leader on the Team, just told me that he had no idea the Cullen’s or Darkangelo’s were in financial trouble.

    If you don’t know what their finances are, but yet you claim to be their mentor, how are you qualified to mentor in finances? How could someone trust their financial well being to Mark?

    If the guy won’t open up to you, how could you edify him to others as a true leader….which I saw him do numerous times?

    Interesting contradiction, no?

  40. Former Round Table permalink
    November 9, 2012 2:45 pm

    Mark Paul told you he had no idea the Cullen’s or Darkangelo’s were in financial trouble. WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!!! He knew full well that they, along with several others on his team, were in big trouble. HE WAS IN BIG TROUBLE HIMSELF!! He told several people that he didn’t know how long he could stay in his house on Lake Angeles because his income was so bad.

    Mark Paul, this is what I have to say to you: liar, liar, pants on fire.

  41. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 9, 2012 3:02 pm

    @Former Round Table,

    Thanks so much….you have no idea how this clears my conscience. I hope to thank you in person some day.

    @Amthrax,

    Can you repost Former Roundtable’s comment to the Timeline thread where I first mention my call with Mark? It would go great there.

  42. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 9, 2012 4:35 pm

    Rascal Teamster

    Quite amazing isn’t it?

    Now that we have a real understanding and have woke up and can see the reality of their comp plan (thanks to Mike & Brent) that it is designed to beTop heavy; where the TOP make the lions share off the backs of the downline majority and unfortunately those downline will never make a profit, only spending, spending, and continual spending, then marry that with the atrocious attrition rates, the lies and deception and you have a recipe for a complete disaster of “failures” along with a whole bunch of people wanting to warn the public. 🙂

    If the truth be fully shared there is probably a lot more bankruptcies created that we don’t even know about.

    I find it very interesting you contacted Mark Paul and when confronted he would lie about it? Amazing.. Especially since he was a deacon. Some christian leadership?The truth will always finds you out.

    The TOP PC Expect everyone to give ALL the credit for their “guru” teaching & Mentoring but then when the “mentee” has an epic fail; they cover it up, throw them under the bus, blame them and/or take no responsibility for their “coaching/ mentoring.”

    They over “edify & promote” those same bankrupt and defaulting “mentees” to everyone, everywhere on their stages sharing their financial successes, retirement and all other “successes” they achieved because of their “mentors” and “the system”, just to keep others “believing.” and “buying in.”

    That is deceptive.

  43. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 9, 2012 4:38 pm

    I find it interesting Team leaders outright lie and some just blindly repeat the lie and when the facts come out they blame someone else. It is unreal the denial and deception! Did you quit because of and blame the person who told the truth? OR BECAUSE YOU WERE LIED TO?

  44. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 9, 2012 4:42 pm

    Or because of the person who lied to you? The logic is crazy. I see more slander about me on Blomdahl’s blog. Interesting and not too smart.

  45. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 9, 2012 4:48 pm

    Raquel~

    I too saw the slander. It never ceases to amazes me but it is clear they have their own set of rules and laws and everyone but them should follow them…what Hypocrisy!

  46. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 4:31 am

    Did you guys see what Steve Leurquin posted on Blomdahl’s Nov. 5th Raquel-bash blog page?

    http://ericblomdahlbetterlife.com/2012/11/05/raquel-peters-unjustified-criticism-and-the-truth/

    “Posted by steveleurquin1 on November 9, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Thanks Eric. We have heard Raquel say many times in front of hundreds and thousands that Team is great for God and country and that she would do this business if she received no money and how much it helped her children and her marriage. We bought into her vision and “leadership” and then one day without any explanation or contact from her, she was gone. I have heard her say that people on the team stopped talking to her, but in truth it was Raquel who left us and stopped talking to us (Steve and Jamie).

    Because of the Team’s character and speaking no Ill will or negative toward people it took a long time for Jamie and I to find out exactly what was going on only that she had left and if you wanted to know more you would have to ask her. I still didn’t know truly what was going on, Until now, with all this well documented events. How could one explain all of what you just posted in a conversation. Eric, you and other leaders have stayed true to your character and your commitment to helping others. Have we all had tough times during riverbed changes? Yes. But you have stayed strong, stuck to your word, and lead with courage.

    Thank you as well to Tim and Jennifer. You two are some of the most kind hearted, gentle people I have ever met.”

    LOL!! This is one sick, sad, sorry hoot: “because of the team’s character and speaking no ill will or negative toward people….” As a current family victim of LIFE/team’s teachings, as exhibited by my own loved one, I believe this is a bold-faced lie. And sorry: “the most kind hearted, gentle” people of the world DO NOT tell members to not listen to their parents, to turn their backs on parental advice. They DO NOT call people too smart to get into an iffy MLM: losers with “just over broke” jobs; they do NOT insinuate or boldly state that we’ll piss ourselves and smell of urine if we don’t get all “fired up!” over their business (pissing by Dan Hawkins on Twitter and facebook), etc.

    Raquel: back in the time period this was all happening: how close were you to Steve Leurquin? It’s rather interesting that he seems to feel you “just disappeared”……oh, really? Um, wait, isn’t Blomdahl trying to sue you for kicking up such a stink?

    .

  47. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 4:38 am

    HEAR YE! HEAR YE! ATTENTION PLEASE! (hee hee)

    I think I found the fatal flaw in Blomdahl’s complaint against Raquel:

    He’s claiming loss of business because of Raquel (because of her defamation: in print, defamation is called libel; if spoken, it’s called slander) …so that’s his bottom line.

    WELL, LOOKY HERE! HERE’S WHAT A FANTASTIC FIRST YEAR HE HAD IN TEAM LIFE, AND HE’S ALL FIRED UP FOR YEAR TWO:

    “LIFE Business – Incredible First Year
    Posted November 5, 2012 by Eric Blomdahl in Finance, Following, Freedom, Uncategorized. Tagged: Eric Blomdahl, LIFE Business, Orrin Woodward, the-life-business.com. 10 Comments

    WOW!!!! Amazing article posted by Orrin Woodward with a summary of the first year results of the LIFE Business. Check it out…LIFE Business: First Year Results

    I hope everyone is getting on board for an incredible journey.

    God bless and have a great day!

    Eric C. Blomdahl”

    site: http://ericblomdahlbetterlife.com/2012/11/05/life-business-incredible-first-year/

    NOTE: MAKE SURE YOU READ ALL POSTS ON THAT PAGE. TIM SAMUELS IS ON THERE, TOO.

    SOMEONE NEEDS TO FIND EVERY SINGLE BLOG, OVER TIME, THAT BLOMDAHL HAS DONE. THIS, MY FRIENDS, IS THE “MEAT” OF REFUTATION IN A COURT OF LAW.

  48. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 4:52 am

    AGAIN, MORE REFUTATION THAT RAQUEL COULD NOT HAVE BEEN A FACTOR IN LIFE/TEAM’S ENTIRE FIRST YEAR….A DIRECT QUOTE FROM ORRIN WOODWARD:

    “Just over a year ago this week, the LIFE business launched in North America. Amid much fanfare, several best-selling authors and top leaders partnered together in the community building business with a goal to end the decline of North American morale and productivity. When opportunity and preparedness meet, success must happen. The LIFE founders were prepared and, thanks to God’s grace, the opportunity presented itself to do something in the leadership field that had never been done before. With the LIFE founders (pictured above), the LIFE business exceeded even my highest expectations for the first year.

    For instance:

    1. The LIFE business surpassed 100% increase in subscriptions of the LIFE and LLR Series in under one year of business.

    2. The LIFE business launched the Mental Fitness Challenge and sold thousands of 90-day challenges throughout North America.

    3. The LIFE business paid out over $1,800,000 in end-of-year bonuses and free trips its first year.

    4. The LIFE business paid out over 70% bonuses on its product volume points in its first year in business.

    5. Rob Hallstrand, Chief Operating Officer (COO) of TEAM and a LIFE founder, coordinated operations for both companies, and combined sales blew past $50,000,000 (with LIFE leading the charge) from the Flint, Michigan based office. Chris Brady and I have had many great years since forming our first leadership training company in 1999, but nothing feels as good as having the best sales and profits ever this past fiscal year.

    6. Team training produced its best operating margins ever (of which 100% of profits flow back to field trainers), as Mr. Hallstrand continued his dramatic turnaround of Team operations. In fact, employee cost-per-profit-dollar has decreased over six times in his three years as COO, leading to increased bonuses for field trainers and office staff—a truly stunning performance.

    7. Customers composed nearly 20% of total LIFE business subscriptions in its first year. Considering new members have six months to learn how to develop customers, this number will only grow as members complete training. What other community building business hits 20% customer subscriptions in its first year?

    8. The LIFE business launched the Edge Series for youth and has added thousands of satisfied families in LIFE’s first year.”

    [end of quoted material–there are also photo and video on that blog page]

    Source: http://orrinwoodwardblog.com/2012/11/05/lifebusinessfirstyearresults/

    NOTE: WE ARE READING ABOUT “STUNNING” performances and numbers here–that the “TEAM PRODUCED ITS BEST OPERATING MARGINS EVER” ….no place, in any blogs—except Blomdahl’s and the Samuels’ own return-libel defamation of Raquel Peters—are we seeing anything about Raquel being powerful enough to cost anyone their business.

  49. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:06 am

    REGARDING MY ABOVE POST, THE ORRIN WOODWARD QUOTES: HERE IS WHAT ERIC BLOMDAHL HIMSELF POSTED AS A COMMENT ON ORRIN’S BLOG:

    “3.Eric Blomdahl said
    November 5, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    Wow!!! Awesome article…awesome results…it’s going to be an exciting journey. Thanks Orrin!”

    SOURCE: http://orrinwoodwardblog.com/2012/11/05/lifebusinessfirstyearresults/
    ________________________________

    NOTE: HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THE DATES OF SOME OF THESE POSTINGS? WHY LOOKIE HERE: NOVEMBER 5TH, 2012.
    ________________________________

    HERE’S WHAT CHRIS BRADY HAD TO SAY (SAME SOURCE PAGE AS LISTED ABOVE) ABOUT THE FIRST YEAR:
    _____________________

    “61.Chris Brady said
    November 6, 2012 at 10:11 am
    Orrin:

    I love this article because the numbers speak for themselves. It’s been an extremely busy year, but as you’ve shown, a super successful one. We not only launched a groundbreaking company, but posted record numbers that same year. I am perhaps most proud of our customer numbers and the excellent products we’ve introduced into the marketplace, with the MFC taking the flagship position.

    A special thank you to the LIFE Business founders and all the participants who helped make this happen. Congratulations on a spectacular opening year. Here’s to even more incredible heights in 2013!

    Sincerely,
    Chris Brady”
    [NOTE: there are 75 total comments to Orrin’s big news]

    ________________

    COMPUTER SAFETY WARNING NOTE: I GOT A PFISHING WARNING IN TRYING TO CLICK OVER TO A BLOG PAGE OF WOODWARD’S. THIS HAPPENED FROM BLOMDAHL’S TWITTER SITE WHEN TRYING TO CLICK ON A COMMENT OF WOODWARD’S. THERE MAY BE EMBEDDED INFORMATION THAT CAN TRACE BACK TO YOUR COMPUTER.

  50. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:13 am

    JUST AS AN ASIDE HERE. NOW HAWKINS IS TRYING TO COVER UP HIS OTHER JUVENILE, BOYS LOCKER ROOM COMMENTS HE’S MADE IN THE PAST. READ HIS CURRENT BLOG, TOO:

    http://danhawkinsleadership.com/

  51. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:32 am

    Wisdom- Great points! They cannot have it both ways!

  52. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:35 am

    Awesome job, Wisdom. and dead right.

    All the leaders have been talking about how fired up this is in print for so long, I don’t see how any of them could EVER convince a judge that any of us could have hurt their business.

    If they remove those old posts, it will be more truthful, but it WILL hurt their business. Not only will there be nothing positive about the biz, but it hurts their page rank of their blogs.

    Even if a Round Table were to remove or cover up this kind of chatter, he or she has an upline PC throwing them under the bus. There’s not a PC who’s not talking about how great LIFE is at the Round Table and Director level.

    They are about to implode.

  53. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:42 am

    MORE EVIDENCE FROM GEORGE GUZZARDO’S OWN BLOG THAT BUSINESS HAS BEEN GOOD FOR LIFE/TEAM THIS PAST YEAR, DATED 10/24 OR 10/31/2012 (COULDN’T TELL WHICH POST DATE GOES TO):

    “There is an unprecedented excitement and conviction coming out of the LIFE Business major convention. After one year it is evident that the business is working in a big way. People from all over North America are succeeding when they use the Power Player play from the Team system. When the Power Player recognition started last weekend, it seemed like everyone in the stadium walked across the stage. Teams are working together better than ever before and the compensated community concept is primed to become the dominant business model of the twenty first century. “

    SOURCE: http://georgeguzzardo.typepad.com/

    SUMMARY: WHAT’S THE POINT OF ALL OF MY POSTS? Raquel needs to have a lawyer file for disclosure on LIFE/TEAM’s financial records in a line from Woodward on down through Eric Blomdahl’s downlines from the time she was in the biz until the present moment. Let’s see who’s zoomin’ who here on claims that Blomdahl has suffered financial losses simply because Raquel has posted her story, her financials and her opinions, which he claims is defamation.

    Actually, I would definitely be naming Dan Hawkins here, too….since he brought her up and defamed her in a LIFE/Team meeting recently, when she’s never even been in the LIFE/Team business. (referring here to: the same meeting Pastor Dickie was brought up in—Raquel and her witnesses know what I am referring to). In other words: prove counter defamation (in this case, it would be slander, since she did not approve that meeting, did not attend, etc.)

    Skip the possible “libelous statements” (in other words: skip the bottom line printed opinion for now, unless you can back it up with printed fact/witness statements) and get to the MEAT of the BS here, folks. Open the hornet’s nest of shady dealings and convoluted pay systems for the world to see. Get statements from others as to what they’ve heard in meetings. Get statements as to how anyone else suffered financial losses in the prior iterations of the business during the time period Raquel was in it. Get statements from others as to non-qualified “counseling advice” they’ve received that’s outside of published CDs/books, etc.

    Get your statements notarized. Get ready to submit to being deposed yourself. Get a lawyer to depose anyone Raquel had communication with back when the downline stealing was going on.

    Make sure Eric Blomdahl has to PROVE he’s lost business in LIFE/Team as a direct result of what happened to the Peters couple in Monavie, especially since he’s fed into the “fired up!” hype here condoning Woodward’s final assessment: that they’re on the road to not only changing North America, but eventually, the world.

  54. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:46 am

    Wisdom- Can you archive that information? Or will a judge/attorney be able to get it all even if they erase it?

  55. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:54 am

    Raquel: I would do what I am doing here..do direct quotes and footnote them for posterity like I am doing on Amthrax…..if those links disappear, it’s still printed on this public site. Just like (since you know this one burns me to my core), if one looks back far enough, I actually give a direct quote from what Dan Hawkins did on his Twitter and fB accounts regarding that childish, nasty “pissing” statement, and the horrible retweet he did regarding poor people likely becoming murderers, etc.——-even if he removes it, it lives on in infamy. In fact, a judge could order fB to give up it’s records on his wall posts, too.

    Ditto on Eric’s stuff. I’m sure they’ve built a dossier on you, too, as far as prior statements to show a judge.

    I think an overall, extreme example would be: how would you ever catch someone like the Craig’s list killer if law enforcement didn’t have access to online records or court orders for disclosure?

  56. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:59 am

    Raquel and others: who can answer this question: WHY is Blomdahl choosing to sue Raquel and not Amthrax? If they could get Amthrax shut down, the effect would be much greater. WHY are they going after ONE ex-team member from a former iteration of Team? From a former iteration of a product side of the business they no longer want anyone to realize still exists for them?

  57. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 6:25 am

    MORE CHILDISH TEXT-TWEETS FROM ERIC BLOMDAHL: HERE’S WHERE YOU SEE HOW THEY ACTUALLY ***DO*** PROMOTE CHILDREN NOT TAKING SAGE PARENTAL ADVICE OR EVEN THE ADVICE FROM THE Federal Trade Commission:

    AUG 24, 2012:
    “Eric Blomdahl ‏@ecblomdahl
    Only take counsel from people who have qualities & lifestyle u want 2 achieve. Only through achievement is a person truly qualified 2 teach.”

    SOURCE: https://twitter.com/ecblomdahl

    AUG 14, 2012:

    “Eric Blomdahl ‏@ecblomdahl
    If a critic has the same lifestyle u’re running from, why r u listening 2 them? All they can teach u is 2 have what you already don’t want.”

    SOURCE: https://twitter.com/ecblomdahl
    ________________________________

    NOTE TO RAQUEL: by the way, Dan’s pissing post is gone….am sure glad it lives on in infamy on Amthrax. I see, in it’s place, blogs now about how we’re all human and make mistakes, yada, yada, yada………oh, and a really rich one about how to “grow” in finding forgiveness when you come up against folks who are obstacles.

    GUYS: THERE WAS A BLITZ GOING ON….11/5/2012 WAS “LIE(F) D-DAY”

  58. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 6:40 am

    MORE BLOMDAHL: AND I WONDER WHERE HE GOT HIS MARRIAGE COUNSELING LICENSE AND/OR CERTIFICATION FROM THAT QUALIFIES HIM TO PROMOTE MARRIAGE COUNSELING CDs? ( I HOPE NO WOMAN EVER GOT MAIMED OR MURDERED BECAUSE PROPER AUTHORITIES WERE NOT CALLED AND SHE STAYED IN A RELATIONSHIP WHERE SHE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF, OR THAT CHILDREN WERE INADVERTENTLY ABUSED DUE TO ADVICE LIKE THIS):
    ______________________________

    JUL 3 2012
    Eric Blomdahl ‏@ecblomdahl
    Marriage struggles? God wants you to fall deeply in love w/your spouse & to give you a great marriage…learn more thru LIFE products”

    SOURCE: https://twitter.com/ecblomdahl
    ______________________________

    WELL, LOOKIE HERE AT JUNE 18, BLOMDAHL THE HYPOCRITE BLOGGER:

    _____________________________
    JUN 18 2012

    “Eric Blomdahl ‏@ecblomdahl
    Good decisions require right thinking & truthful info. Be careful of the source of your thinking & info, TV/media is not a good source”

    SOURCE: https://twitter.com/ecblomdahl

    ______________________________

    WELL, LOOKIE HERE AT JUN 3, THE REAL BLOMDAHL (INSTEAD OF HIS USUAL BIBLE-THUMPING):
    ____________________________
    JUNE 3 2012

    “Eric Blomdahl ‏@ecblomdahl
    15 plans X 12 months = excitement, business growth, vacations, dreams; less than 15 plans X 12 months = frustration and a year older.”

    SOURCE: https://twitter.com/ecblomdahl
    __________________________

    NOTE: his tweets only go back to mid-may of 2012…….I think Raquel should have those tweets just prior to that released legally……he went after Raquel just prior to that.

  59. November 10, 2012 8:11 am

    @ageofwisdom – can you please refrain from using ALL CAPS to write your comments. It’s interpreted as shouting and is hard to read.

  60. November 10, 2012 8:20 am

    Take screenshots of the websites if you want to archive things. TEAM/LIFE has left an incredible web paper trail over the years.

  61. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    November 10, 2012 8:25 am

    Amthrax: tell you what: I’m out of here, too. This is asinine. I am one of the few you do this to, 95% + of the time since I’ve been on here. You just all capped TEAM/LIFE…we you yelling? Not only that: you could have written to me privately to ask me this, too.

  62. November 10, 2012 8:28 am

    @ageofwisdom – I was simply pointing out common netiquette regarding the use of ALL CAPS. Having every word in a sentence in ALL CAPS is commonly looked as shouting.

    http://www.networketiquette.net/do_not_use_all_caps.htm

    Capitalizing acronyms and the occasional word for emphasis is fine.

  63. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 10, 2012 8:30 am

    Wisdom,

    We could really use you here. You are helping.

    I used to own and admin a large online forum. It is a daunting task. Amthrax has to read every post very carefully and I would assume has a life outside of this blog.

    Maybe Amthrax should have contacted you privately. Sometimes I did and sometimes I didn’t. But leaving due to someone telling you correctly to take off the caps is no reason to stop helping the innocent, is it?

  64. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 10, 2012 8:42 am

    “It’s impossible to have lasting success until a person decides to take personal responsibility. Be solution focused…not blame focused.”-Eric Blomdahl

    So, BLAMING Raquel for your losess in business, Really..Eric why don’t you check your “leadership?” Oh that’s right you were just following orders!

    Did ya even give it a thought Eric or are you too busy trying to blame and sue Raquel, that maybe just maybe, ALL the rebranded tools numerous times, people being put on hold because NO ONE had a clue about MV building or products including those who you were “following”, or how about enticing the entire team with the” Wal-mart of the Internet” telling everyone when and how (with a letter from the TEAM office) and what to say or how to “resign” (nice try Samuels with saying no one was told, hope you don’t lie in court!) from Quixtar about what to say in then telling everyone “to move” into MV with a one product $45 dollar bottle of juice!.. pfft..or that YOU and the Guzzardo’s destructive “game plan” that YOU executed; trying to “save” the favorites and “deadlines”, almost overnight this destructed and did more damage.. This was the most destructive “game plan” in the MV registration, I have ever saw of people’s “independent businesses” in the 13 year history of our business, that was worse the attrition rates!!

    I Cannot wait to hear that “game plan” when this comes out in court!

    Do ya think, Eric that YOU (take responsibility) played the biggest part or YOU might have destroyed not only your Business But OURS, the PETERS and everyone else in your upline and downline!?

    And now your amazing “solution” is a LAWSUIT, to gather your followers to participate with threats “barking up the wrong tree” trying to “make Raquel’s name look bad? Seriously? Which one of the bullies would this be Eric? Who doesn’t even have the GUTS to come on with their real name? Would this be what the “leadership” calls nameless, faceless, cowards? And then to use the Bible verse..amazing!.. Obviously a bully..

    Now, you are asking for MONEY for your attorney fees and an undisclosed amount for damages to YOUR business are you freaking kidding? And you and others have the audacity to call Raquel greedy!? You are a disgrace. Where are you getting your “counsel” from on this one? Hmm… let me guess..

    How about You take YOUR own advice and take “responsibility” for that destructive “game plan” that I know, you know, and all your little followers know did the most destruction than any TRUTH has done to not just your business (selfish?) but ALL of our businesses!!

    BTW~ to the Samuels~ Hope you are willing to produce your phone records that you say that you called the “Morgans” and they never returned your calls! Remember you will be under oath!

  65. No Team For Me permalink
    November 10, 2012 11:26 am

    I agree with Wisdom – in order to prove damages, Eric will need to show his financial records. Raquel – have your attorney demand all these records and make sure they get posted publicly for the case. Do not agree to any confidentiality agreement. He will not have a case if he cannot prove damages and the only way to do that is to release his financial records. This is what we’ve been waiting for. they just opened up a can of worms.
    Also, I have a lot of people willing to contribute if anyone starts a legal defense fund for this and I believe there would be thousands of ex-teamers who would also be willing to contribute.

  66. No Team For Me permalink
    November 10, 2012 11:29 am

    I also believe there could be a few former mega-pins who cannot speak because of a non-disclosure agreement, but they would probably be willing to contribute generously to help someone being attacked by this clan.

  67. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 10, 2012 12:32 pm

    No Team For Me~

    Tell all those who are or will be supportive that it is really appreciated and much needed as all you know the Peter’s are a financial crisis and about ready to lose their home!

    For Eric to bring this lawsuit on them knowing this and right before Christmas, is enough about him and how selfish and worried he is about his own “money.” How much more bulling will she have to take and to kick people when they are down, while he brags about “flying his plane” to the opens! Just how bad is his business hurting? It is astounding!

    Although, IMO this is a strategic plan and he is being “counseled”, you can count on this gaining some “loyalty points.” Do you wonder why, the Hawkins aren’t a part of this?

    I saw where Dan thanked Eric for helping his family, interesting to say the least. And as Wisdom asks a great question, why are they attacking just Raquel?

    Perhaps they don’t want the Hawkins business and their LOS being shown in court and them involved or showing their PC “income” in public documents? Does make a person wonder, especially based on their actions of the past. Having Hawkins involved would also show how much revenue she is losing or that their team is bring in! Who sponsored her personals etc.

    It will be very interesting to see the damages to Eric’s “income” and how the Peters have damaged their business. Wonder if he can prove the Peters hurting his income, more than all the damages due to the orders and executed “game plan” he did that I mentioned in the above post?

    The DAMAGE to our business caused by the registration, lawsuits, etc.. all those things mentioned vs. the Peter’s? Quite interesting that the numbers in our groups during that time of “system counts” and a the Peter’s of course being in our downline, including Eric’s were flying backwards by the HUNDREDS… by the week!! Who will they blame this damage on? This was WAY before Raquel spoke out! But then all of a sudden, one of the weeks (miraculously) the system counts jumped dramatically, oh that’s right that was because Hawkins got the people from Billy Florence’s team.

    Makes a person wonder just how much damage Raquel caused that allows Eric to brag and afford to fly a plane to opens? Not to mention the amazing “growth” they are all blogging on about the first Year in LIEF.

    I believe the MAIN goal of this suit is scrub the truth from the internet, to GAG, and then Silence… what they are notorious for trying to do to all critics!

  68. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 10, 2012 12:36 pm

    May the Truth prevail…

  69. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 10, 2012 12:41 pm

    @no team for me,
    By gag order, are you referring to the Round Table contract that Mark Paul used to talk about as the reason there were things he couldn’t tell us? Or is there something else we peons didn’t know about that was “in store” for us when we made it to the big leagues?

    And if so, does that contract gag someone after they leave, as well? How deep does that sucker go and for how long?

  70. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 12:42 pm

    Wisdom- please stay and help. 🙂

  71. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 10, 2012 12:43 pm

    Why is it that every day I get two questions answered that lead to three new ones I didn’t know to ask the day before?

  72. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 1:02 pm

    Can everyone archive their crap, as I’m not computer savy. We hope to file a countersuit for all the damages we have endured, maybe with other leaders. And I can only hope everyday distributors rise up together and do something about all the money they lost, based on the deceptive practices used and taught all those years by Team and/or its leaders.

    You can bet we will be filing a countersuit on the outright lies and libel told about us in Blomdahl’s blog posts and by his comentators. It is obvious we have been slandered through the ranks, just by reading the comments.

    We are sorry for ever being a part of what this group has done to people. We want the truth out so others can make informed decisions on their involvement in the group as we would hate for others to deal with what we have. Therefore, we will NOT sign a gag/confidentiality agreement, as we have nothing to hide, even though we are not perfect people.

  73. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 1:06 pm

    Besides showing he lost income he has to prove it is solely from is, won’t happen. Team has been ranking tanking for a long time.

  74. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 1:11 pm

    Ok, try again. Besides showing a loss, Eric has to prove it is SOLELY lost from something I did and that I lied. Everyone knows Team has been tanking all on its own. They just admitted to their own distributors, the Tues house plans weren’t working.
    I guess we will have to supena records of all the leaders numbers to prove as a group, overall they haven’t been growing, since 2007.

  75. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 2:26 pm

    Amthrax- I sent you the complaint.

  76. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:38 pm

    John 3:16- By the way, I forgot to say, I live in the real world not the Team cult. Not the delusional, fake world you live in so frankly I don’t give a damn what you think about me or if you threaten me. Or if you think I will look bad to your fellow cult members. I could care less what they think or what you think. Your threats do NOT control me anymore! I can talk to whomever I want, I can do whatever I want and I can say what I want if I am sharing truth. I really only care what the judge thinks. The real world finds you people bizarre to say! By the way I am no longer brainwashed by your system of control, but you forgot that…..

  77. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 5:39 pm

    Amthrax can you fix that
    Bizarre to say the least!
    Thanks.

  78. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 10, 2012 6:01 pm

    By the way I would like to answer Steve Leurquin’s comment on Blomdahl’s blog since Eric would never post my comments. I did speak to Jamie Leurquin when the Morgan’s were slandered and she said she was told “the Morgan’s joined a coupon cutting business”. I also saw Jamie at a wrestling practice and she snubbed me after a short awkward greeting. I saw Steve Leurquin a few times, at our kids’ wrestling practice and when visiting his church. Both times he said hello to me and that was it. He never asked me why I had left or talked to me about anything that had happened. This…… after years of us working together and me leaving my kids to help him. Of all the people on my Team, he was the one I expected better of. So sad…….

  79. No Team For Me permalink
    November 10, 2012 6:44 pm

    Rascal – the gag order was during the Amway/Quixtar arbitration which subjected all parties to non-disclosure of the events that happened. This is probably why people never hear Bobbie Dickie, Randy Haugen, Don Wilson, Billy Florence, Mark Crawford, etc tell what really happened behind closed doors at that trial.

    Just my humble opinion, but I think several of them would greatly contribute to a fund after what happened to their businesses as a result of their association with Orrin.

  80. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 11, 2012 1:15 am

    No Team for me- I believe not only will he have to disclose financial statements but his team numbers, system counts and tickets, as Orrin could easily change his pay to make it look like he lost money. He is going to have to show he lost numbers and prove it was solely because of me, which is ridiculous. Then because of the allegations of Team possibly messing with profit sharing pay, we will need to look at other leaders’ pay and numbers as well, to compare to Eric’s of course. Can’t wait to see them! I wonder if we will find proof we were paid unfairly by Team? That will open up another can of worms.

    These guys don’t seem to be the smartest knives in the drawer, do they?

  81. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 11, 2012 3:38 am

    It would appear that even Orrin thinks he’s smarter than Orrin, Raquel..

    Oh what I wouldn’t give to moderate a Team style round table discussion with some of the big leaders here. Get 3 couples, a little Q & A, put it in print as a article…..we’ll call it “a conversation with my crossline.”

    Matter of fact, if anyone wants to do that, get ahold of me through Amthrax. I’d write that thing.

  82. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 11, 2012 7:21 am

    Rascal~

    “A conversation with my crossline” Bahahahaha! Oh NO! 🙂

    That would be against the Team Lief cardinal rigid rules.No where else can I think of this “rule” applies except in Cults and that would be consider “information control.”

    They would convince people (only in) that it would hurt their business, but this makes no sense when it is supposed to be a “duplicatable system” everyone does everything the same you follow a step by step process to “success?”

    We ALL know the real reason is to become dependent on your “upline,” to protect their ‘secrets’ and because people find out the TRUTH (that they would call gossip).

    Truth…They obviously don’t want that happening inside or out especially with crossline! Hence why they want to Silence Raquel.

    It really is amazing how they get others to “believe” in and practice, just like in cults, repetition, repetition, repetition…propaganda….makes the mind go numb.

  83. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 11, 2012 7:34 am

    I notice you didn’t say yes, Melanie. Dang, you were part of my all star cast 😉
    .

  84. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 11, 2012 7:35 am

    BTW~ Rascal, You can count me in! 🙂

  85. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 11, 2012 7:35 am

    Haha, I meant to and then must have been typing as you were lol! 🙂

  86. November 11, 2012 11:16 am

    I have updated the post with scans of the Eric Blomdahl lawsuit against Raquel Peters.

  87. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 8:18 am

    I wonder where Vogel went?

  88. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 8:33 am

    Can everyone reading this write a letter on the shennangans that you saw happen on Team from Quixtar on. If you saw Line switching, team stealing in Mv or Team. If you quit, what were the reasons. If you saw me and/or Mark speak what were your thoughts and if you know anything about Blomdahl, his teams, my upline it downline. I can give you my number on Fb messaging and will then give you my address and If anyone is willing to testify, please say so. Thanks.

    [Editor’s Note: Made request bold for emphasis]

  89. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 8:39 am

    If you were in our group or others and you or someone you know, lost your or their spot in the MV registration fiasco, please explain what you know as well. Also if you lost or gained teams in Life back office, please talk about that as Team members went against Mv policy and registered others’ MV personals into Life. If you lost income in MV because of the Life business starting, please state that as well. If youbsigned an affidavit against Quixtar please state that and who asked you to do it. If you were a profit what’re in Team, if you quit team, when and why? Be sure also to explain the attrition rate and how many quit all the time and why.

  90. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 8:41 am

    Also explain how many got started when you showed the plan. We especially would also like to hear about how the Life business is growing or not growing.

  91. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 8:52 am

    Also explain did you think about the Team training in MV and also did you ever look at BDU to learn about MV? How did your MV business go and did you feel the Team knew what they were doing? Also did your teams volume load to hit pins? Or buy bulk orders? Who taught that? Did you know about Team profit sharing when you were shown the plan? Or only MV, Life? Did you feel information was given freely or withheld? Do you fell leaders tell the truth or lie? Or lied to cover up things in Tue group. Do you feel they will tell the truth? Have you been lied to? About ? Were you told all the expenses, time commitments, all meeting expectations, fiancial commitments you would have to make, up front when shown the plan? Were you made promises of residual income for building communities, what type of income claims and how much money did they claim? Did they back their claims up with proof? If you joined Life were you specifically shown the policies and procedures where it states they can take your business for no reason, before you signed it?

  92. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 8:54 am

    The group

  93. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 9:00 am

    Was it implied you were going to the Walmart of the internet? Did you show the plan between Q and MV and promote it as an income opportunity? Did your PC? Even though it stated on the paperwork it wasn’t an income opportunity. Did your Pc encourage you to keep building? Were you paid through that time by Team?
    Was your team line of sponsorship messed up going into MV? Were people told to get LLC ? Why? Did anyone lose their business? Would they write a letter? Did you correspond with MV? did they do a thing? What were you told to do to keep your spot in MV if you weren’t free of your 6 months? Did your upline give favoritism to some and not others? Did you keep your personals in MV or give them away? Who told you to do what?

  94. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 9:01 am

    What were your experiences in building MV?

  95. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 2:49 pm

    Also if you have heard anything from anyone on Team, about why the Peters, Morgans, or any other former leader, office worker or former member left the business, please state who told you, what they said and who is upline to them. It seems there are many slanderous statements that have gone around about many former leaders and people formerly associated with this group.Thank you.

  96. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 12, 2012 4:09 pm

    Thanks Amthrax for all you have published that will and has helped others see the facts which is for the public interest.

    Just wondering where is john 3:16 or John ——? It really isn’t a mystery but just curious why he would make those threats and not come with his real name?

  97. dan31harp@ameritech.net permalink
    November 12, 2012 4:35 pm

    Telling the guy about using capitol letters was a stupid thing to do, who cares about capitol letters anyway.

  98. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 4:56 pm

    Also if you have heard anything from anyone on Team, about why the Peters, Morgans, or any other former leader, Team office workers or former members left the business, please state who told you, what they said and who is upline to them. It seems there are many slanderous statements that have gone around about many former leaders and people formerly associated with this Team.Thank you.

  99. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 12, 2012 7:08 pm

    Mark and I hope everyone keeps blogging and sharing truth. If you all stop talking here because of fear of lawsuits then they win! Then everything our family has gone through to educate the public on this group will be in vain. Please don’t abandon your cause. Together we are a mighty force. 🙂

  100. Finally permalink
    November 13, 2012 5:55 am

    Amazing………….Blomdahl…………Grow up. I hope and pray this all leads to disclosure of team documentation of the “pay Plan” back in 2007,08,09. Not the pay plan now. I hope it all becomes a part of a court record. Eric claims his income was hurt. Let him prove what he got paid, how he got it paid and fro whom he made the money. All From the team office. I don’t think a judge will take his word on it. I hope a judge asks to compare bloomies numbers to every other person in the team with like numbers and match the incomes to the numbers……….wouldn’t that be interesting??? Compare the Morgans income and numbers to bloomies in a like time frame after the Morgans got their income cut……I do pray this all comes out. Bottom line is they do not appear to be who they say they are. Bloomy is being lead by his ego and eagerness to get in with the leadership deeper, in my opinion. On their end I do not think they would hesitate to throw him under the bus if this all goes south for them. And from what I understand there is much to yet come out that hasn’t or won’t make it to a public forum about bloomy. I understand that he is not a nice guy and many would probably testify to that. I believe he is being counseled to do this and really isn’t thinking it past bullying Raquel. I think she has rights to all his communications from the PC, his down line and anyone he has ever spoken to about Raquel. All his computer and phone communications related top Raquel. Isn’t that what he claims he has the rights to. All his phone, text, and email communications with George, Dan and Orrin since those are all people he probably mentors with. And we all know from thousands of CD’s that the mentor relationship is sacred and the mentee tells his mentor EVERYTHING so that would be relevant to the lawsuit. I know there are many who have info on the team and what they (team) did that would be considered less than above board and they would probably contribute what they know. I have personal experiences and saw and was told multiple half truths and lies……….looking back it was all designed to keep me on system and contributing to the team profits. I am sure I am not the only in that boat.

    Stay tough Raquel, God know their true intentions and will work accordingly. They can claim what they want in public but God knows the motives of their heart…….and so do they.

  101. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 13, 2012 8:52 am

    Finally~

    I agree they will not hesitate to throw Eric under the bus and IMO, he is the fall guy for whatever the ” strategic game plan/next step” is. Remember “everything is done with specific intent”.

    We all also know from experience and know you have to “check-upline” with any major decision especially one that could be damaging to the TEAM & LIFE reputation so then one could conclude that Orrin and George ARE counseling Eric and he also proudly admits this; he is “Following” Orrin & George. Everyone from the very newest bottom person knows the information comes from the TOP down!

    So, there is no doubt he is getting “counsel” on this based on how the hierarchy system works, therefore, it is evident that he would be discussing. getting counsel and got permission to sue Raquel. Also, in their P&P; couldn’t Eric lose his business for bringing a bad reputation on them by lawsuit? It can’t look good, for them.

    Wouldn’t common sense tell you that a lawsuit would do MORE damage to their reputation (have they learned anything from the past?) than any website could do? Especially when they work so hard to indoctrinate with their repetitions trashing of the critics and pay and game the ranking of their own numerous websites to try and drown out the few critics, who have no influence?

    It is almost comical that he Blames the Peters for hurting his business, when he knows what really hurt his business.

    And just a thought; If you are a “leader” and promoted as one, have such great “relationship” skills, been in their “world class training system” for many years possibly a decade or so, then why would anyone NOT want to work with you? And if “leadership” IS influence, just how great is your leadership?

    Another interesting and thought provoking question for all those god-like “leaders…

    IF the critics are nothing more than the ” Death gargle of a non-achiever” then how on God’s green earth would any critic have MORE influence than them?

  102. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 13, 2012 10:12 am

    Another point to paragraph 4: In their P&P, doesn’t it tell them NOT to read, go to or respond to any “negative” blogs, websites? Then how is this site or Raquel responsible for hurting his business due to any comments? Their going against their own legally binding contracts.

    Also, I know they say they believe in Freedom of Speech, so what gives?

  103. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 13, 2012 10:36 am

    Melanie,

    She could hurt his business by posting that stuff so new prospects see it. That’s how they would play that.

    But here’s the crazy thing. Look again at what business he says she hurt. And then, tell me what that business is. I want to see it’s comp plan or IDS. We ALL are dying to see that comp plan. That poor boy is gonna have to describe what he means by Team business. As far as I knew, Team was not the business.

    She He needs to get a good lawyer, and somehow we have to help her. She’s fighting for everyone they’ve screwed.

    [Editor’s note: corrected intent of post. Rascal meant “she” instead of “he” in last paragraph]

  104. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 13, 2012 11:18 am

    The problem he has is surely there is more info here that is damaging and truthful. Also what I have said is the truth, defamatory statements have to be proven to be a lie.

  105. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 13, 2012 12:33 pm

    Rascal~

    That is why I brought of the Right to Freedom of Speech. Also, The burden of “proof” is on him to “prove” she is the sole person who has “hurt” his business. I am very interested if thousands have quit because of Raquel, like they did because of all their other shenanigans!

    Also to point out, the hypocrisy: How they argue this only when they want it to “serve” their agenda and no one else apparently, has the same right to freedom of speech? The double standards are so obvious and fits right in with the bulling. What about their own “anonymous blogging” and Qrush, same thing isn’t it?.. But then this we have seen is standard with everything they argue; based on our experience and opinion.

    Also if a new prospects makes their “own decisions” based on due diligence …That the FTC recommends to do!..Asking questions and expecting answers from those who have experience, checking websites find out what the company reputation, holding them to their income claims , etc. and then those new prospects make their own decisions based on those facts and experiences, this is what everyone should do, no? This is Raquel’s fault?

    The new prospects make their choice? I would also argue the new prospect reads and researchers by their own choice and no one on here uses the questionable and deceptive techniques, nor as far as I know Amthrax has not gamed to rank his site, so that is not used on them but is it the same when they are contacted and recruited!?

    Is it wrong or illegal to share the truth? We know they would rather everyone stay silent, pretend none of this happened and lie to protect others from the truth so they can get started and work for them? I think not.

    Just my opinion, but it is ludicrous that he is “blaming” her; doesn’t she have a right to tell her experiences and share facts; to help the general public?

    BTW~ Where does “his business” start and “her” business stop? Does she not have the right to tell the truth to her own team; that she feels she lied to when building the team?

    **Here is a biggie and how twisted the game they play is? You find followers such as (Steve & Jamie Lerquin) say it is Raquel’s fault she never called them, “just disappeared” implying she should have told them she was gone…. and then… you have Eric suing and accusing her of talking to others on her team and telling them why she left?..Another twisted…just blame Raquel, not matter what?

    They claim they are for Freedom of Speech,… then they are not (for others),… she should have talked to her team,…. then she shouldn’t have? Astounding the double standards!!! Again, over and over, the hypocrisy and double standards are outrageous.

  106. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 13, 2012 12:34 pm

    It is quite amazing this lawsuit is even happening based on everything they have done to “hurt” and damage theirs and everyone else’s businesses. Eric must be in denial or choosing to ignore the major part he played…when Him and Renee “followed” and executed the destructing and dictated orders from George and Orrin during the registration, secret slandering meetings about us and then Eric was telling people (trying to strong arm them) “he was telling everyone “he is following George & Orrin.” and not the Morgans and the Peters.

    As a matter of fact, we were told he said; if you “follow THEM (meaning Morgans & Peters) then don’t come crying to us when your business isn’t growing”….Hahah,,Now he is whining his business is hurt? Really?

    And then suing!? Unbelievable.

  107. finally permalink
    November 13, 2012 5:40 pm

    I bet Raquel could kick his butt in a fist fight….LOL Just kidding, just kidding. He really is pathetic.

    Great points Melanie on the P&P, they choose not to enforce their own stuff when it suits them so any and all members of lief could claim that their contracts are null and void being that the Team doesn’t enforce it’s own rules. It seem as if all the leaders read this site without any repercussions so how in the world could they ever enforce this sham contract in any way shape or from???

  108. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:07 am

    Melanie- you are right Luerquin says I didn’t talk to him and then John 3:16 claims he’s going to testify to whatever he thinks I said to him! You cannot win either way with these people!
    Only silence will make them happy.
    When you are a critic of the business, or a leader with influnence and you leave due to thought reform and the wisper campaign you become an enemy in the mind of the group. Surely they will try to cover up the wisper campaign held against me? It is plain to see with the greedy, prideful and arrogant comments by people I do not know…….sadly these people have no idea they may have to testify against their own. When the truth comes out in court and it becomes public record, this little tactic will backfire.

  109. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:12 am

    Hey can anyone explain to me how phone lines work? Is it just a one way communication where only 1 person is allowed to call or can people call you too?

  110. RAQUEL PETERS permalink
    November 14, 2012 11:30 am

    Melanie- I find the comments on Blomdahl’s blog to be misleading and comical. The most recent one about you not calling a leader in your downline and abandoning them is such a joke! Funny I guess their phones don’t work…….they also fail to acknowledge the slander spoken against you and john in the meetings that were held all over Wisconsin at the insistence of George Guzzardo in late 09. Now why would you call anyone that may have participated in those? Also isn’t it sad they just believe whatever they’re told…… what a bunch of followers! They also forget to mention that you were ill and so was I…… nice way to leave information out…..and only share one tiny truth. Give us a break, another expample on how they opperate. Bullies who want to keep their money instead of face the truth……of what they have done to people. I like also how they gloss over what most everyone chose to do to their own team members, while following the PC orders ! These guys only care about themselves…. and keeping their money.

  111. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:43 pm

    The other dumb arguments are implying we didn’t use conflict resolution. Of course Orrin and George never tell them Mark and I did talk to them, Orrin a few times. There is no conflict resolution, they just want you to do what they say and now they want us to shut up.

    By the way who would really call and trust anyone who wrecked your business, or stole from you and/or slandered you after years of sacrifice?

    I mean really. What person with a brain would trust/or talk to a bully and try to resolve anything……you would hahave to be a complete idiot!

  112. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:53 pm

    Good thing in the real world people can see this, since they aren’t brainwashed. What a joke.

    By the way I have been reading up on Freedom Of Speech. It is very interesting! It seems the First Amendment protects your right to freedom of speech and for everyone here, the ability to speak their opinions anonymous ! It seems the only way it doesn’t protect you is if you commited a crime. 🙂 It seems to be in place for the minority to speak out with protection from bullying and/or the majority!

    It protects democracy and the ability for people to share information freely without fear of retaliation. Did you know the Federalist Papers were written under another name?

  113. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 14, 2012 2:25 pm

    “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”-

    Thomas Jefferson

  114. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 14, 2012 2:37 pm

    King James Version

    “And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”-

    Matthew 25:40

  115. No Longer a Lifer permalink
    November 15, 2012 2:47 pm

    Tried to post a Negative Comment on Eric’s blog…of course it was never accepted. What a bunch of scam artist. So glad i’m out.

  116. No Team For Me permalink
    November 16, 2012 2:05 am

    Yes. Why is it all these Teamscam leaders talk so much about “information” at their meetings and seminars, yet they want to hide ‘information’ from their own group? Why don’t they ever allow any of our comments on their blogs? amthrax allows their comments on his. What are they afraid of?…………..the truth getting out?

  117. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 16, 2012 2:59 am

    NoTeamForMe- Wonder what a judge is going to think about Eric not posting all comments that come to his blog? Proof once again of team leaders hiding information from their followers…. Good thing the judge isn’t brainwashed and will see it. 🙂 I wonder how many times people have wrote there and not had their comments posted posted??
    If Eric is so confident of himself why didn’t he come to Amthrax blog to defend himself? This site is open to everyone!

  118. freedomhaha permalink
    November 16, 2012 9:29 am

    It seems they don’t want us leveraging the power of the internet.

  119. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 16, 2012 9:54 am

    It is also amazing how some of Blomdahls friends claim they are experts on what happened when they weren’t even there! It just shows the cult mentality…..copy and repeat. Freedomhaha did you try to comment? Did he post it?

  120. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 16, 2012 9:57 am

    By the way if anyone knows info on the team leaders hiding info in the Quixtar lawsuit or Blogging suit please let us know. I think the judge would be interested in seeing how honest the Team is as a group. I have requested info from some people and they refuse to acknowledge my questions. Guess we will need to supena some people for testimony.

  121. freedomhaha permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:14 am

    Raquel- No, I didn’t comment on his blog. We know their dislike for this blog though.

  122. ItsaPauling permalink
    November 17, 2012 11:54 am

    Might be interesting to keep track of what you try to post and what they allow.

  123. No Team For Me permalink
    November 17, 2012 9:17 pm

    I think we need to have everyone attempt to post on the Team blogs. Keep a printscreen of the screen that shows ‘awaiting moderator approval’ and your comments. Then send a copy to Raquel. This will help show the judge that Team is attempting to keep information from teamscam members and give the judge a feel for how dishonest and secret this organization is.

  124. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 18, 2012 8:30 am

    ***********

    If you know someone who:

    1. Lost their Team when going from Quixtar into Mona Vie or
    2. Lost their spot in Mona Vie and/or were put in the wrong spot in Mona Vie by their upline or
    3. Anyone who is a distributor on Team that had their team or themselves moved in Team profit sharing from one profit sharer/turbo 25 to another profit sharer/turbo25/Director or
    4. Anyone who was a Team leader/PROFIT SHARER and had their team taken off their list in their Team back office from Team Profit Sharing or
    5. Any distributor that had their teams or distributors on their Team moved when going into Life from their original team or leader or
    6. Had their Mona Vie personals taken into Life or
    7. Anyone that stayed with Quixtar and lost their business when Team took the L.O.S. out of Quixtar or
    8. If you kept your own Line of sponsorship of your team while in Team using your own or the spreadsheet that used to be available on the Team website that they took down.

    You or distributors you know could have lost 1 person to a hundred from their business or could just be witnesses to the moving of themselves or their teams to someone else. These are important points as the integrity of the line of sponsorship is thee most important part of any MLM business.

    Please let me know how to contact yourself or people who saw these things happen by sending an email to Amthrax at amthrax@ymail.com and he will forward me your info or you can get my number from him.

    Thanks everyone for your help. 🙂

  125. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 18, 2012 9:14 am

    How about:

    Does anyone now have a dowline, that used to be a crossline or was in your upline?

    Were you told that you could no longer talk to distributors in your previous downline you built, because they told you they were in another personal enrollment tree in MV, even though they still were in your downline and you were collecting volume off of them?

  126. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 19, 2012 10:43 am

    Were you put into Monavie BEFORE your 6 months no-compete was up, under an LLC or other name?

    Were you told/ did you put anyone or your own business (under an LLC) or in someone else’s name because the 6 months no-compete wasn’t legally met, and told later you could “switch” or fix it back to the appropriate persons business?

  127. Melanie Morgan permalink
    November 19, 2012 11:47 am

    See this today and I couldn’t have said it better:

    “I am a good enough person to forgive you, but not stupid enough to trust you again.”

  128. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 2:29 pm

    Wondering if anyone either ordered large bulk $1000 orders through MV, watched their upline or downline do it or had someone do it through their number? Did you buy MV products then from your up line? Did you or anyone you know ever get money/cash for going on system for doing a favor? Did you or anyone you know walk for fake recognition that was based on these large orders? Did you see a dvd, video or listen to a cd telling you how to do this? Did your upline ever tell you this was against Monavie’s rules and may be against pyramid laws?

  129. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 2:32 pm

    Were you aware leaders were walking for fake recognition based on volume loading in MV? Do now you believe this was deceptive to new Team/Monavie recruits? Does it lead people to believe the business worked better and/or faster than it actually did?

  130. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 4:44 pm

    I know fear of lawsuits was put in your heads from Team. This complaint seems to have scared you all away from this site!? Really?
    I hope not. Please use common sense, Team is not going to sue vast the majority of you speaking out here! They have done this to try and scare everyone! If they did it would make them look even more foolish then they already look! They don’t want prospective recruits to feel they will be suing them. Who would join their business then?

    I was a very public figure in Wisconsin in the group and that is why they’ve done this to me! What person wants to build a business, knowing after building it for years and the upline making tons of money, their upline will turn around and sue them??? ….

    I am asking everyone to continue sharing information here, otherwise Orrin and the Team wins in their goal of silencing us!….. I am not too worried about this complaint so why are you ??……

    … PLEASE DO NOT LET THEM BULLY US INTO SILENCE! ….. 🙂

  131. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 20, 2012 5:20 pm

    Raquel,

    lol…..are you getting lonely here on Amthrax. i don’t think people are scared. I think they are busy. With hunting seasons starting up and Thanksgiving, this has been a busy time.

    The volume loading is an interesting subject. We always ran mass volume buys trough the new people at the bottom. This was organized by my upline Roundtables.

    It worked like this. When we needed extra product outside of our regular shipment, we would place large orders through the new guy at the bottom of the leg. We would all take advantage of the volume discount pricing.

    The new guy and everyone above him gets the volume. He also makes a few dollars on the retail of the bottles he sold upline. And the upline got a deal on a bottle or two due to the volume discount. This was a common practice in Monavie. We’d run juice and Emv that way.

    Are you implying that this was against Monavie company policy? This concept came from the PC, but I’m sure all the groups in MV were doing it.

    Matter of fact, my wife has saved just about every email we got from our Roundtables. I’ll bet she’s got 6 or more asking us to get in on bulk orders or asking us if we need extra product as they had some to get rid of.

  132. freedomhaha permalink
    November 20, 2012 5:50 pm

    We (Rampage Renegades) were also encouraged to buy from the bottom so that the volume would “flow up”. This came right from the RT and PC level.

  133. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:10 pm

    I do believe it is against the rules. At least bulk ordering to hit pin levels is. I also heard that some were paying cash to new people go on the Team system if they let them place the order under ther number. Did you see or hear of that? I heard multiple downline leaders from me took recognition for pins they only hit because of volume loading and they never hit Ruby volume again that I saw, because in truth they were NEVER even close! Sadly everyone in the audience believed their teams were exploding when they really weren’t. I heard they all broke the same time and planned it that way! Of course I can see their MV volume and it was very decieving. If you have emails those would be interesting to see. I may need them. Does anyone have the cd,dvd,video whatever it was, where Team showed you how to do it?

  134. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:12 pm

    From the PC hey? I’m sure they know that isn’t right. Plus by doing that you were taking pay away from others. Also when they were forcing new MV distributors to give away personals they were taking money out of their pockets! Of course they never told anyone that I would bet.

  135. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:14 pm

    First order bonuses, bulk order bonuses etc.

  136. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:14 pm

    Word of mouth, Raquel. I don’t ever remember this being passed down on system or mentioned from a Team stage.

  137. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:25 pm

    Raquel,

    I don’t know about the giving away personals to the bottom of the leg. I like that approach and would willingly give away a personal I “didn’t need” to spur growth at the bottom. If MV had actually set up their plan that way, it would be a better opportunity. Team Approach is a great concept, unless someone can show me it’s illegal.

    But the bogus recognition due to volume loading is just wrong.

    I have a CD by Claude where he talks about buying product for the sake of your business. “Doing 300 pv is just a smart business move.” Then he jokes about how much stuff he has stored in his basement. Then he…..fairly convincingly…..justified it. I was blown away that they actually released a CD where a PC admits he volume loads and then suggests everyone do it, because it’s good for business.

  138. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:26 pm

    I thought Orrin always wanted the first circle- the newest guy to make money? Isn’t that what it says in his letter to DeVoss?

    I also thought he said he needed a product that was priced right and competitive in the market place?

  139. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:30 pm

    Actually I think in Mlm there is a 70% rule or something that sounded like that. I read you are not allowed to stockpile products in mlms. Against mlm rules and I believe may be illegal. It surely was wrong for a PC to teach. I would love to get that cd too.

  140. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:39 pm

    MV pay plan was set up to pay people for bringing in personals. I believe it was wrong that new distributors were not told that were giving away the income from star to emerald, and growth bonuses etc. By giving away their personals. They had no idea. Those are some of the first ways for a beginner to get paid in MV. You could have still used team approach and let them keep their personalsals. Though there are some ethical issues with Team Approach as well. The new guys are the ones they should’ve wanted to see paid more.

  141. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:40 pm

    If an upline hotshot gives his personal to the new guy, the new guy who doesn’t know squat just got paid. If everyone does this, we’re in the stupid money. Without giving away a personal (what Amway called illegal stacking) Team Approach doesn’t work.

    I think what we’re currently finding is that leadership is the right product for the people, but you can’t build a business on it.

    Let’s see…..40 mins per CD and 30 mins a day reading, or 5 mins to pop some vitamins or drink some juice.

    What Orrin always said he wanted was a consumable product that people use every day so they don’t have to change their buying habits…..just where they shop.

    That was the vision I bought into. Everything else was crap!

  142. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:43 pm

    I have no problem with a leader giving away their personals because they understand how they are paid and once they are over a certain level they don’t need them. That’s how some magically hit new levels in MV. MV took the requiremments for personal tree legs away for Emerald and above a few years back, I believe.

  143. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:44 pm

    Teamster- lol!

  144. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:46 pm

    After the cds and books stack up I’m sure they stop buying. I was reading tons of books, listening to tons of cds and going pp and I couldn’t keep up on all of it. It stacked up.

  145. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:47 pm

    That should’ve came over I donated a lot of books to goodwill!

  146. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 6:48 pm

    You can buy Orrin’s LLR book for next to nothing on Amazon! The LLR that was games to a bestseller! Lol!

  147. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 20, 2012 7:00 pm

    I was looking at a printed copy of my LIFE subscription report. There are many leaders doing the majority of the volume. The numbers in max subscriptions boggles my mind.

    How can a guy work a job, raise a family, listen to 9 LIFE CDs and read 3 books a month, attend meetings AND show the plan……while listening to 5 system CDs a day or 9 if your Jim Martin? Holy crap….that was a HUGE question. That should be the title of an Amthrax Blog. Go show the plan and tell the prospect that…he he he he heeeee (insert sinister laugh).

    But that’s the LIFE business, and I call out any LIFE member who calls himself a leader that can dispute that.

  148. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 7:06 pm

    And I wonder why I was brainwashed, had NO time and had NO life!

  149. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 7:07 pm

    Rascal- do they buy more Life cds or Team cds?

  150. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 20, 2012 8:02 pm

    There are 4 CDs in each of the LIFE & LLR subscriptions. There is one AGO CD, and one Edge CD. That’s 10 per month in LIFE if you’re a true LIFE’er. There are 8 in the Team System per month delivered every 2 weeks (4 Team CDs and 4 SOL).

    I was 5-8 CDs a day, and during CD listening contests I averaged 10 per day. I had 16,000 hrs on my iPhone, and I own my own business. I was listening constantly.

    Dang, this feels like AA.
    “Hello, my name is Rascal, and I’m a Teamaholic.”

  151. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 8:16 pm

    LOL! It wrecks your life like an addiction when your brainwashed! by that crap! I should say when I was!

  152. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 20, 2012 8:16 pm

    No wonder we sounded like cds hey?

  153. Speak Your Truth permalink
    November 20, 2012 8:23 pm

    Raquel & Rascal~

    Is this Volume loading their Welfare program?….Was this their answer to forcing the new circle to win? Win-win…Don’t think so..Not for everyone.. It is artificial and you cannot sustain or duplicate this with everyone! Good way to make people go broke, very quickly though. Also you cannot put people in fast enough to make this a repeat cycle!

    This would create a lot of credit card debt for a few and I would bet they would end up NOT re-selling all the order before the next hit! Why would the downline want to buy from their downline?

    Many will lose in this, the guy putting the thousand dollar order in loses because he donates his volume so it takes from them and their bulk order. Then who decides which welfare recipient gets lucky that week?…Do they all get welfare?

    I highly doubt that every brand new person gets this deal, and all those in-between that they have convinced are getting a deal by the volume may not even benefit them in bonus, if they don’t have a second leg.

    So this is a temporary fake star 1000 …”a flash in the pan”…and on up the chart? Did they teach this brainiac idea to the masses from their stages? Not only is this a “poor example of their leadership”…it is “teaching” the new guy to breach the Monavie contract…And I am guessing this would violate some FTC rules, because someone is going to be stuck with a bunch of “product in their basement/garage.”

  154. Brent Hansen permalink
    November 20, 2012 8:34 pm

    @Rascal, are you a recovered Teamaholic, or still raging?

  155. Rascal Teamster permalink
    November 20, 2012 8:51 pm

    Fully recovered and thanks for caring. Kinda funny. I’ve listened to a few CDs over the past couple weeks…some for a review I wrote and others to compare to my notes, and I have to laugh at myself. It’s refreshing to go back through with a critical ear and find out how and when they got me.

    I find myself saying, “Are you kidding me? I fell for that….that right there? Man, was I a putz!”

  156. Raquel Peters permalink
    November 21, 2012 4:57 am

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I am so thankful to have this time with family and friends that I love! Today my boys and I are making pecan pies with my mom and I can’t wait! These are the days I treasure now. I hate to admit this, but I remember while in Team I got to dread holidays because I couldn’t show the plan and had to be with people “who didn’t understand” the business! It is amazing how this group changed my beliefs and values to be so scewed.

  157. freedomhaha permalink
    November 21, 2012 6:29 am

    Rascal- Thanks for your contribution to this site.

  158. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 13, 2012 5:44 pm

    Too bad I dont live in one of these states.
    Slapp Suit

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

  159. Freedomhaha permalink
    December 13, 2012 6:47 pm

    Raquel- If you can speak about it can you give us an update on the lawsuit proceedings?

  160. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 14, 2012 6:21 am

    I am in the process of answering the complaint. I have to send it to the judge. Then he will decide if it goes forward.

  161. freedomhaha permalink
    December 14, 2012 9:35 am

    I can’t wait for the truth to come out in legal documents. This could be for the Wisconsin team what the bankruptcies were for the Michigan team.

  162. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 27, 2012 10:09 am

    Hi everyone, I wanted to update you on the case.
    Last week Mark and I filed an answer to the complaint with a request for dismissal with prejudice. It appears the complaint violated Wisconsin State Statutes so we are now waiting for the judges response.
    We are so grateful for the offer of a legal fund. When we proceed and it is necessary we would prefer a third party manage it. We have done tons of research and have spoken to many different attorneys including mlm attorneys. What we are learning has been VERY interesting to say the least! 🙂 🙂

    I will try to keep you posted as we go as long as it is allowed.

  163. Finally permalink
    December 27, 2012 11:47 am

    Way to go Raquel!!! Good luck Bloomy…………….I wonder if he wants the truth to come out about his team income……….I wonder if the PC wants this to go forward???? I do not know what can be subpeonad but it will be interesting………….

  164. No Team For Me permalink
    December 27, 2012 11:52 am

    Thanks for the update Raquel! Keep them coming.

    And we definitely need a legal fund. First, for your case. But then keep the fund going for any potential future cases.

  165. No Team For Me permalink
    December 27, 2012 11:55 am

    Finally – for sure Eric’s income can be subpeona’d. How else could he claim she affected his income? So she deserved records for at least the last 5 years of his Team income, MV income, & Quixtar income. And complete schedule C forms. That should be very revealing!!!!

  166. Rascal Teamster permalink
    December 27, 2012 11:57 am

    Darn right it’s going to be interesting. Oh please, oh please make him describe what the Team Business is that he says you ruined.

    I can not believe they used the word, “Team” in the complaint.

    I used to think these guys were so intelligent. Boy was I stupid!

  167. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 27, 2012 1:00 pm

    I thought it was fishy that they only used Team in the complaint too!
    It seems they forgot to mention Quxitar, Monavie and LIFE. I wonder why?
    Don’t worry though…….. I’ll tell the judge about it. 🙂

    By the way….. in my answer I ONLY agreed that Eric was my upline.
    The rest of the complaint was such a mess I couldn’t answer. So I was forced to deny the rest. I would be embarassed to put my name on that complaint if I were an attorney!

  168. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 27, 2012 1:07 pm

    Why hiding from ALL the other “business income” that Eric most certainly received a boat load from judging by his plane, house, vacations etc..That Also, the “Peters were in their downline?” Hmm….could it be, never mind I am sure it will all come out! 🙂

  169. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 27, 2012 1:07 pm

    Oh and don’t forget first we need to prove Team paid everyone fairly for all the time Eric was in the business. So I guess we will have to supena everyone’s income…..all my downline, upline, crossline, etc..The team office books to be sure they match the pay stubs….. tax records….. and more.

  170. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 27, 2012 1:16 pm

    Rascal….LOL!

    I am proud of the Peter’s for defending themselves (currently) but know that there is certainly potential for the need for a legal fund, due to the fact the Peter’s are in a financial hardship! Which even makes this lawsuit more evil, imo.

    There are no limits to a bully.

    Y’all are so great in supporting and somehow, as Raquel said it may come to a necessity for a legal fund to be set up and I know all of us will be there to help! 🙂

  171. Rascal Teamster permalink
    December 27, 2012 1:17 pm

    Well that’s what’s so ironic. In order to say that you have cost me money, I would have to say how much money. Then I would have to show how I calculated that.

    Seems to me that Eric is going to run into a brick wall. How can he prove how much money you have cost him when he can’t even tell you how his Team income is calculated? Is this not going to expose the very black heart of our problem with the Team?

    I can’t believe they thought this out. This is so ridiculous, I keep looking for more….like this is only a distraction while they attack from the flank. I may be giving the PC way too much credit. Sending Eric out may be their only move. He’s such an obvious pawn, though. I’m just not getting it.

  172. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 27, 2012 2:13 pm

    I would think he would also have to “prove” what is said is LIES…good luck with that one! And funny, what is she “hiding” she has spoken in public with her Real Name! I have never seen where Mark Peters has spoken but he is named on the suit also? Therefore, it is peculiar why Eric Blomdahl, wouldn’t name his own wife on the suit since she is in the businesses also and since he says the Peters have caused a loss of income?

    Also, doesn’t a person have a right to speak their opinions and tell their story, they seem do to think they have this “right”, no? Well, I am no lawyer, but in the real world people speak their opinions all the time, in fact the Team always “used” the “word of mouth” to their benefit..to exploit and recruit…such as “it is just like watching a good movie”…”Wouldn’t you tell everyone about it? (meaning spreading your opinions with intent to recruit others)

    Let’s make this clear we are NOT here to “recruit”..but isn’t it the same principle when you believe others could be publicly, financially, relationally, mentally, and/or emotionally harmed?!

    How about if you knew your neighbor was a predator/criminal, wouldn’t you want to know to protect your children and family? Of Course, it is of public interest!

    They would say “no negative” …but is this what we should do in the case where the public could be harmed? Is this the “standards” to keep “secret” lest say the Bernie Madoffs, of the world. Should we not warn others of potential harm? Should American Greed not be allowed on T.V.? I think not!

    Most cases where people “warn” others, it would have a “negative” effect or there would be no reason for the “warning!”

    I don’t think it is a ‘mystery’ why only Eric hasn’t added ALL his other forms of incomes and businesses; in the complaint! I believe “the target” (Peters) was done with “specific intent” and done with “upline counsel” (in more ways than one, imo)…

    I am with you, and again am no attorney but do they REALLY want ALL, to be exposed? That wouldn’t even make sense since the suit is obviously to “gag”.(shut up and hide the truth)..even though they “say” they believe in “freedom of speech”…but then clearly what they “say” and what they “do” are opposites, from my and obviously others experiences!

    My opinions and comments are based on years of being around their methods and practices and what I have found out since we left!

  173. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 27, 2012 2:36 pm

    Suing me isn’t going to stop this site. There is worthy information here without our story. Mr Blomdahl could’ve come here and told his story. Makes you wonder why he didn’t …..and yet I can’t defend myself against his and others lies on his site! He would never allow my post! Some have tried to defend me and it never gets posted…..readers don’t have to wonder who is telling the truth…..it’s pretty obvious.

  174. December 27, 2012 2:58 pm

    Did y’all catch this?

    Raquel @December 27, 2012 10.09 am
    “When we proceed and it is necessary we would prefer a third party manage it”

    And that is what accountability beyond reproach is. You should be in congress or oval office, not as a politician but a citizen of the Republic. You are a treasure on this forum. Thank you. Thank you.

  175. December 27, 2012 3:00 pm

    @Raquel
    “Suing me isn’t going to stop this site.”

    It won’t stop you either, not before they stop the first, I know.

  176. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 27, 2012 4:45 pm

    Yes…I believe that is their “ultimate” goal! O desperately wants to know; who he thinks of as his “enemies”…to find out who is on this site and then sue, sue, sue..and try and shut it down..

    Frivolous, bullying and trying to intimate.

    It appears to me Eric Blomdahl is trying to represent more than himself in this complaint; without adding those others to it of course. It will be more than interesting where this leads to. Providence and time will tell the outcome and where this will lead.

    Very interesting what is happening in the “industry” with Herbal Life, Zeek, and am sure more will come. This is an interesting find:

    “We Have Never Seen Anything Like Bill Ackman’s Dizzying Takedown Of Herbalife”.. a 342 slide presentation!!! The parallels are incredibly congruent with much that has been said on this site from experiences, along with my personal experience and what I have seen on the play of customers, claims, etc. I think this is a very important detriment to the “industry” as a whole. No one escapes consequences…

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackmans-herbalife-presentation-2012-12?op=1#ixzz2GIowZNo0

  177. December 28, 2012 11:32 am

    This is about to get really interesting. http://www.forbes.com/sites/igorgreenwald/2012/12/22/why-ackman-is-right-on-herbalife/.

    But wait there’s more! In true pretend MLM industry fashion Herbalife feigns being attacked rather than address the facts, which action would better serve and re-assure it’s (hoodwinked) stock holders.
    http://wallstreetsheet.com/page.php?id=1355973606_herbalife_ackman_disputes_claim.

    Who was passing the pop corn?

  178. Raquel Peters permalink
    January 5, 2013 8:23 pm

    Raquel Peters permalink
    January 5, 2013 6:50 pm
    I could use some evidence of Life and Team not growing… to show the judge as Mr. Blomdahl claims that I alone did not hurt his Team business and I sure didn’t lie either which he has to prove. We all know that Team was divided into Team and Life and the majority of his Team sales now come under Life…..conveniently he didn’t talk about that. I just wonder what the judge will say when he finds out that there are 2 other businesses involved Monavie and Life and not just Team as was claimed in the complaint?
    Anyway I will prove that Life isn’t growing much across the board if that is true (and it is needed) and it is for many reasons….Of course first Eric has to get the complaint approved and then prove I lied, which I have not……. but best to be prepared.
    If anyone has any hard evidence of the lack of growth in Monavie, Life and as a result in Team that would be helpful. Screen shots, pay stubs, witness testimony… etc. Of course I will supena proof of this across the board but information given freely will help as well.
    Thanks.
    Raquel Peters permalink
    January 5, 2013 7:43 pm
    Hopefully the complaint will be thrown out with prejudice since it was so vague and didn’t follow Wisconsin statutes. We also have a defense of conditional privilege of common interest since all of this is of public interest. The information on this site is especially important to people either in the business, formerly in the business or looking at the business. That is what I understand this to mean and there are some interesting cases in Wisconsin on this. I also wanted to let you all know our home is officially in foreclosure… so there is not much for Eric to take. But of course he already knew that. I am not in despair at all, but I am actually looking forward to seeing the judge… if this continues forward…..I am getting stronger everyday! Someone must be praying for me! 🙂 I was told it would take around $20,000 just to defend the case….. of course we don’t have that kind of money. Monday I will let you know if we will set up a defense fund…
    I am currently searching for a national firm to file a suit against Team and/or some of it’s leaders and maybe some others. I believe minimally there were deceptive business practices used…… and I think maybe there was criminal activity as well. If you are interested in participating in a suit against Team and/or Orrin Woodward or you have something to file against them or think you may be part of a class that can file a complaint please let me or Melanie know what your thoughts are. I am guessing there may be two suits or two groups, one for leaders who were stolen from and lied to and one for all the thousands of people who never made a profit and lost a ton of money……
    The income and lifestyle claims Team made all those years were against the FTC rules……….the tool scam where the PC’s income and lifestyles really came from….. misrepresenting the Quixtar business as Team was the business when it wasn’t…… Orrin Woodward and Team kicked out of Quixtar for bad business practices….. (I believe Team was NOT part of the Pokorny settement)… Orrin suing Quixtar for being a pyramid scheme after years of making tons of money ….the lie of residual income in recruiting us ( that they still are using it seems) … possible theft by contract fraud?….. God only knows what else they may find or what they will think is wrong here. Maybe the Department of Justice will even have to get involved if there was any criminal activity…. I am not sure.
    If we can find attorney willing to take the case I am willing to invest my time to make it happen.
    I will let you know how my search goes and what they say. We can speak by phone or email. Melanie can give you my number. I believe what Orrin Woodward and Team have done may be fraudulent and against the law. I have decided to find out what my remedies are…..I am done with their bullying and their lies! They have stolen so much from too many.
    Yes…. I know Orrin and other leaders are reading this and no I don’t really care what they think. They had many chances to do the right thing and they chose not to. Speaking to attorneys, I am realizing there are laws against this crap and it is not just some disagreement. Time to move and do something about this.

  179. Raquel Peters permalink
    January 5, 2013 8:26 pm

    Correction: Lack of growth in Monavie under Team specifically since they stopped promoting Monavie.

  180. No Team For Me permalink
    January 5, 2013 10:20 pm

    Raquel – I bet there are some executives at Amway and high pin levels in Amway that would love to help you out with your case. Especially since Orrin received help from MV with his case (which I understand he lost). I would definitely call Amway legal dept and I would also call the Amway Distributor Association office in Grand Rapids. Tell them you would like to speak with Fred Harties, Jim Floor, Jody Victor or Dexter Yager. I bet they and others will help with your legal fees.

    I bet they could also give advice on a class action lawsuit.

    I would send a letter to Eric stating your plans and giving him 10 days to withdraw his case before you proceed. Not that he deserves it. But I don’t think he has any idea what kind of can of worms he is about to open for all of Team.

  181. Raquel Peters permalink
    January 6, 2013 6:46 am

    Thanks NoTeamForMe-I wonder about Monavie looking the other way while Team raids everyone’s teams and incomes? I’m guessing our loss in Monavie is small compared to what others have lost. I am also suprised Dexter etc didn’t sue Orrin Woodward . I wonder if he couldn’t? It does seem like distributor lawsuits/legal action is very common in the mlm world. I am hoping to go with enough evidence and witnesses to find an attorney th a t will take it on contingency since there are millions at stake….but I could be wrong. I can invest lots of time into research etc.

  182. Raquel Peters permalink
    January 6, 2013 6:48 am

    I am wondering if Amway is at risk here for allowing this to go on for all those years? I’m not sure.

  183. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 6, 2013 7:27 am

    Raquel: one would think that EB is the one who would have to give financial disclosures, and then list actual persons who, by virtue of something you said, backed out of a business SOLELY upon your statements (which would also, somehoe negate their own responsibility in making adult decisions, though). We could all make a complaint against someone, at some time, hurling accusations and filing complaints….but to me (and I may be wrong here), if I were a judge, I think I’d be asking the plaintiff to show me the evidence of loss of income. What’s he going to do when the judge finds out you actually had your OWN downliners removed from you and EB etal thereby benefitted from that?

    This whole thing seems so ludicrous, especially in view of the shady “team” tool history all the way back to Dex Yager, and OW’s etal further bastardization of those concepts, and to say nothing that some of these very issues were taken to court as early as 1983 against what was going on in the back offices of Amway, too–and all of the rest of the sordid brouhahas that ensued in the next iterations of such business enterprises as built by OW and CB.

    The burden of proof should be on the plaintiff here, shouldn’t it? Isn’t that how the justice system works? Silly example: If I send you a legal complaint stating, for example, that I believe that on 11/5/2009 you threw a balloon full of paint on my house, damaging it….wouldn’t I have to prove with at least some very strong circumstantial evidence that indeed, it was you who did it, based upon disclosed evidence, all of which pointed the finger at you?

  184. Rascal Teamster permalink
    January 6, 2013 7:31 am

    @Noteamforme

    Does Raquel really want to force Eric’s decision to pursue this case, or is the best thing for all of us to have this case come to court and get some headlines? They would have trouble at that point putting the lid back on that can of worms.

    I love contacting Amway execs and IBO association members. Not sure what Fred would do tho after backing out if the original case like he did, but it’s worth a shot.

    I would also contact people like Randy Haugen and Billy Florence for help. No telling how O screwed them, but I doubt it was as friendly as was reported by my upline.

    I heard from Mark Paul that Billy retired, but lo and behold, here he was building Monavie after he left.

    Lie, lies, and more lies. Damn I want the movie rights to this. 60 minutes would have a field day with Orrin. Could you see them banging on the gate in Florida and Orrin saying to Laurie and Captain Bill, “whatever you do, don’t let them in……and no one go outside.” He’d be like Elvis…..a prisoner in his own castle. Shots on TV of him peering out through the cracked drapes like a caged animal. Oh, I have to stop this post. I’m starting to enjoy myself too much.

    Anyone know anyone in the media? Lol

  185. Freedomhaha permalink
    January 6, 2013 8:00 am

    Rascal- It has always surprised me that 60 Min/American Greed/ 20/20 never got ahold of this story…yet. It is the perfect fit for a show like that to expose the truth. A fiction writer couldn’t come up with some of the crazy things that have happened in TEAMs history. Think about all the plot elements you have here: drama, scandal, lawsuits, mystery, underdog story, and wealth (and loss of wealth). Send me to Hollywood and let me pitch that script.

  186. No Team For Me permalink
    January 6, 2013 8:06 am

    Freedomhaha – That’s a great idea. We ought to send letters to 60 Min, American Greed, 20/20.

    Rascal Teamster – Trust me, there are A LOT of IBOA board members who are still furious at Orrin and I bet they would love to help Raquel.

  187. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 6, 2013 8:23 am

    @Raquel: you need to scroll up to earliers posts—look at just before Amthrax and I got into the “allcaps” tiff……..I posted a lot of direct quotes from the honchos themselves, including EB as to just how fantastic LIFE is supposedly doing…….and how EB was really looking forward to the new year…….he does this foolishness at almost the same moment he files the complaint against you, claiming he lost business because of you—

  188. January 6, 2013 9:56 pm

    @ Raquel

    Contact MARTLAND & BROOKS from Boston MA see what they got to say.

    A couple of years ago I remember reading about an attorney who took up pro bono to defend some folks against some mlm outfits. It might have been the Eric case or circa thereabout. I think he was out of WA state and in fact used to take up pro bonos against mlms. If only Google can give it up.

  189. Raquel Peters permalink
    January 28, 2013 3:28 pm

    Seems like Eric Blomdahl and his attorneys are more interested in getting my computer, phone etc. than letting a judge rule on the legality of the complaint they filed. After answering with a motion to dismiss and affirmative defenses against their bogus complaint, they are trying to get me to answer interoggatories. In other words they want our phones, computer, blogs etc. ….This after they broke two Wisconsin Statutes while writing the complaint 1. It should’ve been filed in my county, not his. 2. They didn’t write the complaint according to Wisconsin Statute-law.
    Now they are trying to force a hearing on Feb. 7 to push for discovery in Northern Wi. In a court that by law shouldn’t even be hearing the case!!
    Harassment at its finest……

  190. January 28, 2013 8:37 pm

    Your attorney has a plan to bring these to a judge’s and get them dismissed?

  191. January 28, 2013 8:37 pm

    i.e. judge’s attention

  192. Raquel Peters permalink
    January 28, 2013 9:13 pm

    We already told the judge in our answer to the complaint and . haven’t heard back from him.

  193. January 28, 2013 9:38 pm

    I think however you can your attorney should make this a serious, serious, sticking point for the judge to the extent of stalling proceedings due to lack of confidence in the judge and asking him/her to excuse themselves from the suit if this is not found in your favor. Just my two cents. All the best.

  194. Raquel Peters permalink
    January 29, 2013 9:44 am

    If we write to the Ftc and Attorney General be sure to let them know if you have inside information. If you’re a whistleblower as compared to a consumer who lost a money. They will pay more attention to what you have to say if you let them knowbyoubhave information. Also be sure to let them know many are here blowin the whistle and give them Amthrax site as well as our FB page. I think we should do what Team did in 07 and write up a similar complaints/affadavits with all the details. Then have them notarized. what do you all think?
    Raquel Peters permalink
    January 29, 2013 7:49 am

    Also it would be very helpful for me to show the judge a stack of paperwork from ex team members who feel they were deceptively recruited, lied to. We didn’t have outside customers buying Team materials. Prospects and distributors were not told that the majority of the leader’s incomes and lifestyle claims came from selling them Team tools and not Quixtar products. We were misled that Team was the business and not told Quixtar was the business. Team did not even mention Quixtar in Tuesday night recruiting meetings, they just called them our supplier. All we saw was Team banners at seminars and all they did was promote buying training tools and buying from yourself from our supplier. We were told buy from ourself and told to hit the customer button. How much money you lost.

    Teams moving around in Team and MV. Leaders given teams. Stolen Teams etc. That team wasn’t legally the business- Quixtar and MV and now Life were the business and Team was supposed to be the training company for those businesses. We were misled to believe Team was the business. Team was kicked out of Quixtar. Orin and Team taught us to run a pyramid scheme in Quixtar/Amway focusing on recruiting and not selling products to customers. We were taught to hit the customer button when ordering in Quixtar. Team promised us passive, residual, ongoing willable income and that we could retire from our jobs and get our time back! (important for the SEC to know).

    In MV Team taught bulk ordering/ internal consumption to hit levels in MV once to break new pins and create fake recognition decieving prospects in the audience that the business working better and faster than it was. Then they showed the Monavie Income Disclosure Statement to prospects at meetings. Putting a star at the levels the speaker hit that were fake at open meetings! Team also forced new distributors to give up their personals in MV to their downline. Unknown to new distributors in Team Monavie, by giving up their personals they were giving up their paychecks especially the bottom level pay. They gave up first order bonuses, bulk order bonuses from their personals, star maker bonuses, future growth bonuses on their personals and their personals P.E.T. and more! All the early bonuses in MV were given up and they had no clue!

    Once Team’s secret tool business was made public/found out here on Amthrax’s site, Orrin/Team split the tool business into LIFE and Team. They still have a profit sharing income called “Team” behind the scenes that distributors have to be voted in to by their PC! Its called a Director’s contract. Prospects are not told all of this.

    Please don’t use these words if you don’t believe them or didn’t witness these things. These are just some things I’ve observed over the years that may be important to the Dept of Justice in an investigation. If you’re in Wisconsin PLEASE contact me. please add anything else you think would be important below.

    I’m guessing Orrin is fixing the books as we speak……ughh.

  195. January 31, 2013 7:00 am

    Yep I bet he is, he is too predictable ha, ha, ha! But it’s not like he has another way out.

    You said,
    “I think we should do what Team did in 07 and write up a similar complaints/affadavits (sic) with all the details. Then have them notarized. what do you all think?”

    This is excellent! You can co-ordinate it from your FB? Or here…? I think if a stack of these are dropped at FTC there’s a good chance this may turn and focus their attention on TEAM/LIEf. They don’t I guess because they don’t receive nearly enough complaints from those affected. So the scam flies under their radar.

  196. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 31, 2013 6:01 pm

    *****UPDATE…On the Peters.

    First I know the Peters appreciate and are grateful to all those who have shown support and donated.

    But those who haven’t and still want to donate then please send in your donations. It is NOT too late. They still have time to retain an attorney and everyone knows they could use one.

    If the Peter’s could they would counter sue and add all the PC & Team…wouldn’t be interesting to name all the PC and have the Team books cracked open for the public to see once and for all.

    Raquel, has shown a tremendous amount of courage by putting a ton of information backing up what has happened, and along with their story I believe has helped more than we know to expose what has to be done. I hope others will continue to and I will support them anyway I can.

    Also, I hope everyone is dead serious about in sending their complaints ( I read where there was only ****25**** complaints sent in on the FHTM, not sure how accurate that is…but omg guys 25, seriously? There are way more than that who we all know who could..spread the word!!!

    Contact the AGs, FTC, BBB, FBI and any other authority who will listen. While I already know from our experience and am now reading yet another shut down MLM pyramid scheme I cannot believe that the Team got away with how they have operate; for almost 2 decades!!! Everything I have read is identical to their recruitment scheme.

    Now, there is no doubt in my mind about the TEAM operating and recruiting the same as many of these pyramid schemes. Now LIEF and who knows what name they will come up with next to try and keep under the radar of the FTC, and hide their past from the general public so they can continue to operate as they have for almost 2 decades!

    **Amthrax, I believe you might have it somewhere on here but was wondering where that is and if you could make that real visible as a permanent link to the FTC complaint process.

    I think the time is now. Thanks for all your support and help…keep up the good fight!

  197. February 1, 2013 8:06 am

    I added a link to the FTC’s Complaint Assistant to the top-right of the site. I suggest everyone who believes an MLM company is an illegal pyramid scheme should file a complaint with the government. Let your voice be heard!

  198. letsendit@life permalink
    February 2, 2013 1:32 pm

    When i searched “distributor termination cases in mlm” i came across some information. I’m not sure if it will be helpful but you could look at a few of these sites if you haven’t already. Although I don’t understand everything that is going on, from what I’ve read it seems like it could help. Or possibly just raise more questions. As some of it is confusing in reading as to all the legal jargon.
    http://www.mlm-dra.com/mlm_bill_of_rights.htm
    http://www.mlm-thewholetruth.com/network-marketing-news/dallas-jury-returns-verdict-against-advocare-mlm/
    A lot of these lawyers websites have blogs as well that seem to have little nuggets here and there. Just have to keep reading through it all. One website http://www.mlmlaw.com/saleswatch/swdownline.html has an article titled “keep your hands off my downline” and then goes into some other cases that have been tried by state and main problem. Although this group seems to at one point or another been attorneys for monavie and many other well known mlm, the information once understood makes sone sense. Also check out http://www.mlmlaw.com/blog/. They go over questions like Is Your Compensation Plan Legal & Do You Want Distributors or Customers for Your MLM.
    Also an article titled “Seeing the Forest for the Trees” which goes over decpetive trade practices that identify conduct commonly practiced by network marketers that regulators attack as deceptive or unfair. Like income claims, product claims, testimonials, & job offers. It goes over them individually and also http://www.mlmlaw.com/saleswatch/Primer.htm. this seems to go over what is/isn’t legitimate practice in mlm business

  199. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 6:50 am

    Letsendit@life- Thank you so much. I will be doing research on what you posted. I appreciate all the help I can get.

  200. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 7:12 am

    I want to update everyone on the case. In our answer to the complaint we have asked the case be dismised based on 1. The complaint wasn’t written according to statute. In easy terms they didnt state what I specifically said and who I said it to. 2. It wasn’t filed in my county where it was supposed to be filed. 3. Truth is an absolute defense to defamation. 4. We have a conditional privilege of common interest that we didn’t abuse. 5. EB didn’t state a claim amount 6. EB may have failed to mitigate his damages if he had any.

    Next we get another demand to answer theae things and they haven’t even written a legal complaint! Which means they disnt write the complaint legaly and yet they want me to keep answering them.
    So we are asking for a protective order from the judge so they may not force us to answer any questions or give than any information until they have a legal complaint that follows the law. They also are trying to force us to give up our computers phones etc. before they even have proven they have a case! It’s like they want our stuff so they can fish for a case!! So they are forcing a hearing on Thursday in Rhinelander Wi trying to make us answer their questions. We’ve requested that the judge hear us on Thursday and if the judge doesn’t dismiss the case as we’ve asked, that the judge change the venue to Jefferson County and give us a protective order.

    What I didn’t understand is the judge has seen nothing on this case. He doesn’t know it exists until maybe the day or so before court. So basically you think you’re waiiting for the judge to reply and you’re really just fighting with their attorneys. So I’m so glad they called a hearing because now we get to talk to the judge! 🙂
    If anyone lives close to Rhinelander and wants to come, that would be great! It may only last a few minutes or an hour, who knows, but we could have coffee after. It’s at 4pm on the seventh, this Thursday.

  201. freedomhaha permalink
    February 3, 2013 9:04 am

    Peters- You and your family will be in my prayers.

  202. letsendit@life permalink
    February 3, 2013 3:45 pm

    Can someone tell me the date when the team actually became part of monavie? Also raquel when was your los stolen/moved around? were team tools being sold at the begining stage of joining mv? Also by your team being switched and moved around how would that effect the los for orrin if any?

  203. letsendit@life permalink
    February 3, 2013 3:49 pm

    and what level was orrin going into MV?

  204. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 6:45 pm

    Team joined MV in mid to late March 2008. I believe Orrin went Presidential Black Diamond in the first month. My upline tried to take part of my downline at this time in MV and some of them also showed up under him in Team. John Morgan forced them back under us inV and in Team. Team tools were sold all the way through from Quixtar through to Life including in MV. Orrin Woodward and Team removed my team from my Team back office taking away my ability to earn my profit sharing from my communities in Team in June 2009 i believe.. Interesting they didn’t take the Hawkins team from but of course they all knew by leaving me with only one team left, they would no longer have to pay me. Orrin said hed send me the New implementes Directors contract in August of 09, he never did. Now they’ve taken whats left of my teams into Life.

  205. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 7:19 pm

    Any team moving may increase any uplines income including Orrins depending on where they are moved from and to. It also may create fake recognition and credibility in Team. ie turbo 10s, 25s, turbo 50s etc. It also can help people go Round Table or Policy Council in Team. In the back office of Team when teams are moved out from your largest leg and given to someone else including your upline it allows them to count the numbers and tools wherever they need bigger teams. In affect they get a raise or help towards getting a raise while you lose income and potential income.

  206. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 7:26 pm

    I know they also tried to move teams going into MV and some were moved after already being registered in MV. I know one witness that lost thousands in pay and tons of their downline after they were in MV. If they took them in MV they moved them in the Team back office. The upline was decising this. Essentially any distributor including your upline is your competition. So your competitor gets to determine your pay! Unethical….yes! Illegal….not sure?

  207. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 7:27 pm

    I know they also tried to move teams going into MV and some were moved after already being registered in MV. I know one witness that lost thousands in pay and tons of their downline after they were in MV. If they took them in MV they moved them in the Team back office. The upline was deciding this. Essentially any distributor including your upline is your competition. So your competitor gets to determine your pay! Unethical….yes! Illegal….not sure?

  208. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 7:29 pm

    This is especially unethical knowing we were promised and therefore promised others passive, residual income from building our communities by Team and we told people to hold their spot. I consider this fraud.

  209. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 3, 2013 7:41 pm

    Fraud- A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.

  210. letsendit@life permalink
    February 3, 2013 8:25 pm

    The reason I ask is because I read an article that was wrote on Oct 20, 2010 by Orrin Woodward’s former lawyer Kevin Thompson and he states, “When companies allow distributors to create tool companies (not all of them do), there’s usually a qualification that needs to be met before they can begin promoting their program. The qualification is one that usually separates the professionals from the amateurs and it ensures that the best networkers, the networkers with real results (not theoretical), are the ones influencing the next generation of leaders. It makes sense to have high standards. When the value of a company’s brand lies in the hands of its distributors, they have a significant interest in ensuring their trainers are actually competent. When Orrin Woodward transitioned over to MonaVie, we were never allowed to sell a single CD until after he reached the Black Diamond status. The bar was set, it was the same for everyone, and he had to jump over it like everyone else…..”

    With that said I believe when Kevin Thompson Says, “the bar was set” it meant Woodward had to figure out a way to obtain Black Diamond Status in order to be able to legitly peddle his tools. So if I understand correctly taking yours or someone elses people would help him obtain a higher level? This wouldnt make sense though if he was still selling tools even through the transition which would violate the rule Kevin says MV had about tool sales. Guess he could do it behind there back. You say Orrin went presidiental black diamond w/i the first month. What would his status level have been on the very first day joining mv?

    I’m not really sure if I’m making sense as I don’t understand all the levels and transitions within the various groups but upon reading his lawyers blog I came across that and made me ask questions. So maybe above and beyond financial gain & fake recognition woodward had to figure out a way to make sure he could sell his tools (where it seems he makes most of the money for himsel and PC) right from the start and still have some sort of product (the mafic juice) he can say he sells. Even if that meant flip flopping/moving/taking people. Hope Im not just reading to far into things and not making any sense, especially since Im not sure as to how it all works. One thing Im sure on is that what Orrin and the higher ups are doing isnt legit. Since back in 2000 its the same head honchos at the top. Minus ones they got rid of due to damage control or whatever it maybe. My uplines were George & Jill and none of the many platinums are in it or have really moved forward. For the most part everyone fizzles out. I do remember you, jaimie, and dan as being new at opens. Dan is now pc, was he on the pc before your people were snatched? Or did he somehow benfit from it? I only ask cause what i remeber you guys got in at or around the same time.

  211. ItsaPauling permalink
    February 4, 2013 6:03 am

    Not allowed to sell any tools? Team, as I recall, never missed a tool shipment. And that was before Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady were even in Mona Vie. We were all signed up and recieving our Team tools, not any Mona Vie branded tools. A fine line?

  212. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 4, 2013 6:54 am

    Yes. Team kept on selling their tools from 2007 leaving Amway and all the way through until they rebranded them Team Monavie after Orrin hit the pin (he went way over black diamond). Yes I believe Orrin Woodward moved teams around to hit his rank and optimize his pay in MV. I have heard that some or parts of crossline teams he solicited out of Amway were moved around and some were taken by Orrin. Now they have taken personals of ours ie: Hawkins into LIFE and raided MVs own volume, all while MV looks the other way! I did notice Dallin is no longer MV president….he’s on the board. I wonder if he has a spot in Life? or maybe Orrin owes him money?

  213. Rascal Teamster permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:31 am

    If my memory is correct, and I’d have to go back to my notes, there was a period of time going into MV where Orrin was not in yet. He got in later as was placed at the top.

    If I’m not mistaken, Tim Marks was in the earliest, and was actually the first Team Black Diamond. If you could run your own tools at the Black Diamond level, it’s possible that Tim could use whichever system he wanted. Someone earlier mentioned it was the Presidential level, which would make Tim unable to have his “own” system.

    Remember….at the time Team was flirting with being a tool supplier to the mlm industry.

    Interesting…if Tim could run his own tools, fine. But those other Team groups not in Tim’s actual down line would have to use the MV upline’s system, no?

    It’s all very confusing. Something smells poopy!

  214. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:34 am

    letsendit@life- I sponsored Dan and Lisa Hawkins in 2003 into Team and into my downline in Amway. I sposored them in MV. When we left Q we were sapphires they were platinums. They were originally my second leg and I was Blomdahls second leg. We were RT and I can’t remember if the Hawkins had hit Rt by the time we left Q. I also showed Jammie F the plan. She ended up as my personal in MV because her teacher friend had quit way back in @04. My personals above Jammies friend had also quit had led to Jammie.

    I worked under them all including Hawkins, leurquins, Fishers for years to get them to 7500pv in Q and of course building their system counts. Hawkins and Leurquins had many years to build their outside legs. Jammie, her sister and brother-in-law and I mainly kept the taproot growing.

    Once Hawkins got a good size second leg going Guzzardo pushed me out of that team. I was then only called in once in a while for house meetings. I couldn’t leverage that team and all the work I did. In 2007 Orrin told us all to work together and I tried but George got ticked stopped us.

    After leaving Q George started doing meetings for Hawkins a lot including their 3rd teams. It was unheard of for a PC to do meetings for anyones 3rd group. Once he did a meeting 3 houses from my parents for John and Penny. When I asked if I could invite some people I grew up with in the neighborhood and my parents, he said no, it was for Grafs! It was the only time a Pc was ever in the area I grew up!
    Once in MV Hawkins were Gold 5000 and not hitting it every week, we went up to @ 9900 at one point naturally, ruby was 10, 000. Hawkins, Leurquins and Fishers were speaking at our home opens Madison and Milwaukee and we weren’t allowed to speak because George said we weren’t Rubies! Leurquins and Fishers were only averaging @ 2500- 3000 points regularly as I remember at the time, yet they were speaking there. Eventually L went Gold and then after we left. Then we heard the three of them went Ruby and we knew they were no where even close! We could see their volume and knew something wasn’t right. We figured out they did it by volume loading in the bottom like they were taught by Team PC. They NEVER hit

    10, 000/ Ruby again but were called Ruby. They all went across stage as new Rubies. Had broke new 1000 pins. It was all fake. I’m guessing this planned volume loading may have helped Hawkins go Diamond? I was told they were also paying people kick backs to go on Team system, which would help break new profit sharers, turbos 10’s, turbo 25’s etc, Rts and PC in Team. I heard system counts (people on weekly Team tools)were sky rocketing then. Of course they wouldn’t last.
    All the people in the audience were bamboozled!

  215. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:37 am

    The three of them going Ruby meaning; Steve and Jamie, Jammie And Richard and John and Penny.

  216. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:46 am

    Before we left Team an interesting thing happened. At the major in Minneapolis. The Hawkins were listed on the stage host sheet as speaking as new Emeralds in Mv! q Emerald was 15,000 pv and Hawkins were hardly hitting 5, 000/Gold as I remember! Somethimg was going on. I asked Lisa and she said We didn’t hit our goal. This was the major they were on on a panel discussion for growing their MV business so fast….In reality it really wasn’t growing much faster than anyone elses. Now I think they were going to be given someone elses team in MV and it must’ve fell through. Possibly part of Billy Florences group in MV? (Later they were secretly given part of his system counts in Team)

  217. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:53 am

    I believe they were given @ 100 ticketa and @ 42 system counts from Billy’s teams. Word was that Dan and George were doing meetings in Billy’s teams between Q and MV while Billy was with Team! Talk about crosslining!

  218. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 4, 2013 8:35 am

    Rascal- I think you’re right they had to only be Black Diamond . to run a tool company. I also remember hearing Orin was placed in his spot in MV. I know Team was give 6 months to move people and change sponsors etc. Our PC told us she would onlyb putnpeople back in their spots if they had a large second leg on Team system. I know against the rules our upline told people if they werent going on MV autoship and supporting the Guzzardos they couldn’t register into MV! I believe it is against the law to require product purchases to register into an mlm.

  219. Raquel Peters permalink
    February 4, 2013 11:25 am

    I want to be clear. I believe moving teams, volume loading etc occurred throughout Team, not just in my downline. I believe it was done with the full knowledge of the PC. God only knows what’s happening since Life started nd how many lies we were told when we were in.

  220. Raquel Peters permalink
    May 8, 2013 5:38 am

    Court Update:
    We won the change of venue.
    The case has been moved to Jefferson County. 🙂

  221. noteam permalink
    May 8, 2013 6:42 am

    That’s great news Raquel. Remember to have your attorney get as much income and revenue information on these guys as possible during the discovery process and do not agree to keeping the information sealed.

    You could be the catalyst that opens the door to hundreds of lawsuits against TEAM/L.I.F.E./Orrin Woodward, etc and finally get these scamsters shut down.

  222. Freedomhaha permalink
    May 8, 2013 2:04 pm

    Raquel- In our prayers!!

  223. May 8, 2013 6:51 pm

    That’s is great, I am happy to hear that. Ditto that your courage could have far reaching, desirable and needed consequences upon these charlatans. Thank you.

  224. Honest Trish permalink
    October 21, 2013 9:35 am

    Does ANYONE have any idea how to get someone OUT of this cult. The fact that they USE their version of “Christianity” makes it even more insidious and hard to break. A very young woman I know, already selling her PLASMA to pay off college loans is hooked up with them and she is going to destroy her life! HELP.

  225. Melanie Morgan permalink
    October 22, 2013 2:30 pm

    Honest Tris-

    Wish there were an easy answer for you. Hit the link to the Freedom of Mind site on this page. Read all you can from Steve Hassan and this site.

    My best guess it won’t be long and your friend will be gone, 🙂 judging by her desperate financial situation. Most people quit, it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. Ain’t no way she will be able to sustain the money scrubbing costs required especially in her case.

    Hang tight, be gentle and supportive, otherwise she will push you out. Ironically when she runs out of money and no longer spends you will probably be the ONLY one to pick her up.

    Those who pretend to be her “saviors” now….will fall of the face of the earth when she either doesn”t “perform” and/or at least her cash line dries. You know where she is at best; whether she is receptive to some alarming facts? Just remember she is indoctrinated heavily with the “us vs them” (anyone who isn’t’ or was involved is an “enemy” this is engrained like a cement block).

    Have faith,
    Use your best judgement when pointing the obvious out and facts you can find all over this site and others Good luck give an update when she leaves…just a matter of time 🙂

  226. Melanie Morgan permalink
    October 22, 2013 2:32 pm

    Forgive the errors, please. 🙂

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