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According to the LIFE Business, Copying and Pasting Equals a Great Article

December 21, 2012

TEAM/LIFE Policy Council member Claude Hamilton praises Wayne MacNamara’s recent post on the LIFE Founders and All Grace Outreach.

I was reading Wayne Macnamara’s blog which always has great stuff on it and he did a great article on the All Grace Outreach charity and I am proud to serve as a board member.

There’s just one minor problem with Wayne’s post. It’s a copy and paste job from the All Grace Outreach website, namely the home and the Our Leadership pages.

It seems that in the TEAM/LIFE world, copying and pasting equates to great writing.

TEAM/LIFE members are good at promoting each other. Contrary to what they think, however, an analysis of the majority of their posts would categorize them not as leadership blogs, but as spam blogs.

My advice to TEAM/LIFE members. Write a post with some original thoughts. Analyze your business. Write about the good and the bad. Develop your own voice; don’t simply parrot what your upline leaders say. See what happens if you disagree (in writing) about one facet of the LIFE Business. What happens next may surprise and enlighten you.

23 Comments leave one →
  1. December 21, 2012 8:46 pm

    Amthrax, a great find. Disgusting but not surprising because by now we know of these charlatans: that if there’s one rat you can see, there’s 50 you can’t and thus, the indisputable story of TEAM. This crafty, abhorrent deluge is ultimately borne by hapless adherents, TEAMmunists, costing copious amounts of their time, untold fortunes (and more), which $$$ end up in these charlatans’ pockets. These charlatans own actions are a testament that they continue to be as crooked as a barrel of snakes.

  2. No Team For Me permalink
    December 21, 2012 9:20 pm

    I would love to see the IRS do an audit of All Grace Outreach. Unless I’m missing something, the numbers don’t add up. First, Orrin Woodward & Chris Brady claimed to donate all the profits from the 1st edition of their book everyone bought to scam the ratings and get them on the best sellers list. Then you add up all the money people put in those buckets at the Sunday Services three times a year. Then you look at how much money they claim to have given away to charity cumulatively over all the years. Where did all the money go? And why didn’t the PC’s contribute large amounts? Even Brig Hart would make large 6-figure donates to the MORE project for MV. Shouldn’t Orrin, Chris, Tim, George and all the RT’s have been making substantial donations? But at one point they claimed to have given a total of somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000 total to charities. By my estimation, that number should have had at least one more digit in it. Why wasn’t that number closer to $3-5 million?
    If the LIFE side of the business did $50 million this past year, (possibly not counting the TEAM side) and you add up all the years that these scamsters have been around, does anyone else think $100,000 total given to charity seems like a paltry amount?

    (the $100,000 figure was from a couple years ago but I doubt it’s changed much. I’d be very suprised if it was over $200-300k which is still a pittens compared to what these supposed ‘believers’ should be giving.)

  3. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 21, 2012 11:09 pm

    NO Team For Me~

    I agree! Did you notice they changed all the board members back to all the guy PC’s, now? They had all the women PC, with Rob Halstrand listed in those board positions, prior to this new change.

    I cannot remember was it the 1st edition that was sold in the “promotion” to game the best seller list? If so, then Orrin said that promotion sold 100,000 copies and if they donated 100% of what the price of the book was 22.95, then for sure that would not add up.

    Would this information be public, because it is a charity?

  4. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 21, 2012 11:14 pm

    Amthrax~

    Great find! What a joke! Just makes you shake your head and ROFL…such leadership guru’s…lol!

  5. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 22, 2012 6:26 am

    You watch….the donations to charities will go up by Team leaders and they’ll brag about it……………or Orrin will announce how much they’ve given to charity over the years…..
    Heck Orrin can’t even buy the pizza for the people who spent hours and money driving from Wisconsin to Michigan after hitting a goal and making him more money! ……this doesn’t suprise me…..

  6. December 22, 2012 8:37 am

    Good Post. TEAM’s logic appears to be along the lines of why would you think for yourself when Woody, Baby, and Clod have already done all your thinking for you?

    Copy and Paste it is.

    I would prefer to be a voice, not an echo. Merry Christmas to all the posters here. I wish you well in your endeavours through 2013, but a special word of encouragement to Raquel. This is a great opportunity for you, and I would encourage you to not be willing to accept an agreement the terms of which must remain confidential.

    Easy for me to say, I know. But to have an outcome that is transparent would really be something.

    All the best to each and every one of you.

  7. Soon2BOut permalink
    December 22, 2012 8:47 am

    One of my downlines subscribed to the Faith aspect of the 8 F’s…aka all that stuff about AGO. She got a check from it. Therefore, all the profits do not go to the church. Yeah, it was only a 7 dollar check, but if the purpose of making people subscribe to the ago series was to help benefit a church, then why did she get a cut?

    Orrin is a scammer, enough said.

  8. Raquel Peters permalink
    December 22, 2012 3:35 pm

    Rocket- Two things I will never give up again, my critical thinking and my voice. Thanks I appreciate the encouragement! I hope to keep everything public as I have nothing to hide.

  9. switch permalink
    December 22, 2012 5:39 pm

    Sounds like Wayne M. and Joe D. were in the same class of “LIEf 101”.

    Chapter 1: Understanding Plagiarism
    Chapter 2: Copyright cover ups
    Chapter 3: Playing the good guy…not the bad

    Good lord…

  10. December 22, 2012 6:16 pm

    @Raquel

    Did you establish a legal fund to accept donations?
    This is a worthy cause that will sustain the truth we have been saying all along, for all to see and it will shed light on these scammers’ shenanigans.

  11. No Team For Me permalink
    December 23, 2012 11:17 am

    Yes Raquel – set up a legal fund. We would like to help you defend this frivalious lawsuit.

  12. December 23, 2012 11:29 am

    In their 2011 AGO Review, they did give out numbers on how much money they raised, how much went to pay overhead expenses, and how much was given out to charities:

    http://www.allgraceoutreach.com/NewsRoom/tabid/329/Default.aspx

    They didn’t used to give out this information, so that’s progress!

  13. December 23, 2012 10:33 pm

    The 94% figure jumps out as one of the most impressive I have seen but it wasn’t lost on me that this is what THEY, have put out (not independently verified) and secondly that does not quite tally to their “Who Benefits” page. That page lists they disburse “80% for spreading the Gospel, 10% to charities that help widows and 10% to the aid of orphans,” an emphatic 100%. Am I wrong to assert a red herring here? The real numbers…the ones with zeroes behind them, are themselves suspect. I suppose the source is the board, yes??? and that’s another joke, all Odooby henchmen. Well well well…

  14. switch permalink
    December 24, 2012 8:01 am

    hamilton says-
    “I was reading Wayne Macnamara’s blog which always has great stuff on it and he did a great article on the All Grace Outreach charity and I am proud to serve as a board member.”

    So let me get this straight…hamiliton, being a :”board member/director of the AGO” wants to credit macnamara on “doing” this ridiculous post? And he’s “Proud to serve as a member?”…WTF?

    Wake up people,… time to take the team blinders off.

  15. December 24, 2012 10:02 am

    At least they are providing numbers, something they didn’t do in the past.

  16. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 24, 2012 11:51 pm

    ExAmbot & No Team For Me~

    I agree that would be a huge benefit, it needs to be done! Thanks & Cheers! May the New Year bring justice, for the Peters!.

    The truth has been told, it doesn’t matter they sold out the people that told they
    “owned” their “own business”.. all because money, pride & power meant more than holding to their ‘word.’ They compromised their own reputation, and imo, sold their soul and integrity for what they seen as their own personal agenda & gain.

    The motto: the “end justifies the means”..has got them where they are and in the “end” it won’t be “justified.” They tyrannically and desperately acted on their & greed and now want to blame others for telling the truth?

    It is astonishing how the “followers” didn’t lead..just “followed” with no regard for their teammates, nor did they stand up for what was right and now deliberately and intentional make excuses for it!!! IMO, this is where the brain washing is so clearly evident.

    Their greedy “game plan” (hiding from Q and playing dirty)…left their “teammates” and “friends”… teams decimated and people lost their entire teams, (how would it be if the ‘shoe was on the other foot’?), they intentionally screwed them over!

    Clearly, they want their actions kept in that dark secret evil place to never have the truth or light shed on it? Otherwise, why sue the Peters? Yep. They want to silence the truth! They can say whatever want and use the ‘defense’ to their “rights” of “freedom of speech” but they are so arrogant and are the ‘only’ ones that have this right?…Their hypocrisy, is repulsive.

    It is pretty clear to me the “target” they have chosen and why… shame on them all. Looks like they are trying to repeat their own lessons of history? And there is no reservation… EB is following the “counsel” of his “upline”…to do exactly what he is doing.

  17. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 24, 2012 11:54 pm

    Amthrax~

    $6700 bucks for a website, seriously? I thought websites were FREE? And Is that really necessary for a “charity” website, you would think they could have done a lot better or for free and then donated the rest?!

    I wonder if anyone of them were paying for that out of their own pockets if they would have paid the same 6700 bucks?…bet not!.. Seems awful steep!

  18. Vogel permalink
    December 26, 2012 3:09 pm

    Woodward’s All Grace Outreach is actually registered under the name Christian Mission Services. The organization is based out of Woodward’s TEAM/LIFE HQ in Flint (aka Signature Management). According to IRS-990 filings, the organization paid out about $489,513 over the last 5 years (a little less than 100K per year on average). The filings indicate that the revenue was raised almost exclusively from the sale of books and tapes. It appears that the organization never directly carried out any charitable initiatives. Their 2011 filing indicates that they instead doled out funds (that year anyway) to several other registered Christian charities including Founders Ministry (Florida), Gap Ministries (Arizona), Here’s Life Inner City, New Beginnings Pregnancy Center, Samaritan Center, Wisdom for the Heart, and The MORE Project, etc. No details on the dispensation of funds prior to 2011 were provided.

    The current directors are all TEAM/LIFE inner circle members (Woodward, Brady, Halstrom, Marks, Hamilton, Hawkins, and Guzzardo). The former leadership (as of 2007) consisted of Billy Florence, Tim Marks, Kevin Thompson, Robert Dickie, and Robert Cassidy.

    The organization filed its first tax return in 2007; the filing showed no donations received prior to that year. Tax filings for 2009 and 2010 are missing from Guidestar.org and possibly were never filed. Interestingly, in 2007 the organization took in a total of $161,377 and paid out a total of $90,282 in salaries, compensation, and employee benefits; nothing for program grants; and $29,667 in legal fees — a red flag. It’s unclear who received the 90K for salary/compensation, and I can’t imagine how a charity could incur so much in legal fees; one can only assume that it went to Orrin’s legal defense or was paid out to Kevin Thompson (an attorney).

  19. December 26, 2012 6:17 pm

    I wrote the following article in 2008 in which I speculated about the money going to All Grace Outreach. Kevin did respond, saying that funds from AGO were not used “for any other purpose than to promote its mission.”

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/speculation-orrin-woodwards-next-book-launching-a-tax-sheltering-revolution/

    The previous version of the AGO website did list how much was donated to charities between 2007 and 2008.

    I’m looking at the Form 990 for 2007, and the $90,282 figure is not there. It is there, however, on the 2008 form. The 2007 form also says that over $78,000 in grants were paid out.

    $161,377 – $78,000 (donations) – $29,667 (legal fees) = ~$54,000 left over, which matches up with the line about amount of excess funds at the end of the year ($52K and change).

    On the 2008 form, however, it states that assets in the beginning of the year were substantially higher (nearly $120K). Should that number have been $52K?

  20. Vogel permalink
    December 27, 2012 4:26 pm

    Yes, my bad, I made a minor mix-up regarding the two reporting years. Thanks for the correction. The 30K payout for legal fees was listed in the 2007 filing and the 90K for salaries/compensation was listed in the 2008 filing.

    I sure would like to hear the fish tale they’ll spin to explain how the organization racked up 30K in legal expenses. Sounds worse than fishy to me.

    You listening Kev? Where did the 30K go? In your pocket perhaps? Orrin’s legal defense slush fund?

  21. Melanie Morgan permalink
    December 27, 2012 4:58 pm

    Amthrax & Vogel~

    Thanks! It makes a person wonder, what would they need attorney fee’s of that amount and the $6700 dollar website? Also, it doesn’t “add-up” …as Amthrax pointed out.

    One one thing, Why wouldn’t they donate all the money before the end of the year to their specified charities?

    I don’t much about how charities are supposed to legally run but How do they justify this amount of money being used on a ‘new’ website, not to mention the “team office” had their own IT Dept. that could and mostly likely created the ‘new’ one. (already paid employee’s)?

    Everything they did especially what they did through all the shenanigans…it totally smells like fish and I would not trust them as far as I could throw them!

  22. Vogel permalink
    December 27, 2012 8:04 pm

    BTW Amthrax, you made another good catch pointing out that the funds leftover at the end of 2007 ($52,455) did not match the amount listed at the beginning of 2008 ($119,638). That makes a discrepancy of $67,138.

    Notice also that line 19 of the 2008 IRS990 (where the $199,638 figure was provided) says that the amount listed “Must agree with end-of-year figure reported on prior year’s return”.

    It clearly did not. They can’t even do basic math or submit a valid tax report.

  23. Vogel permalink
    December 27, 2012 8:05 pm

    Correction…In the second instance, I listed $199,638 when I meant $119,638.

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