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January 14, 2013

Orrin Woodward’s post today features a letter from TEAM/LIFE member Larry Allswede. His letter explains how his experience with TEAM and the LIFE Business helped him secure a job with Clintondale Virtual School in Michigan. Read a portion of his letter below (bold emphasis mine):

Let’s fast forward 5 1/2 years later. In the Spring of 2011, I caught wind of a job opening for a virtual school. I applied. The problem? The applicants were required to have a MINIMUM of a BS Degree, “Preferred” to have a Masters Degree, year of Student teaching, a year of community service, and a whole laundry list of other qualifications that I did NOT have. I only have SOME college, but I did not finish. I do not even have an associates degree, let alone a MASTERS degree.

On his Facebook and LinkedIn pages, however, Larry lists himself as a 2005 graduate from Michigan State University.

Larry Allswede Facebook Info Page listing that he graduated from MSU in 2005.

Larry Allswede Facebook Info Page listing that he graduated from MSU in 2005.

Larry Allswede LinkedIn Profile listing that he graduated from MSU in 2005.

Larry Allswede LinkedIn Profile listing that he graduated from MSU in 2005.

In Facebook, there’s a checkbox in the Education section where you can specify the time period in which you studied and whether or not you graduated. If you check the “Graduated” checkbox, the year will be placed next to the university name, as it is shown in Larry’s FB profile.

Not checking it (and specifying the time in which you left the university) will display the year in which you started at the university and the year in which you left the university. For Larry, it would say something like:

Michigan State University
Aug 2001 to Jun 2005 · Business Administration · Marketing · East Lansing, Michigan

On LinkedIn, there’s no way to say that you went to a school but did not graduate.

If Larry did not graduate from Michigan State University, he is misrepresenting himself on Facebook and should update his profile accordingly. If Larry did graduate from Michigan State University, he was misrepresenting himself in his letter to Orrin Woodward and his followers.

Finally, he’s a screenshot from Larry’s Myspace page, which doesn’t seem to be available anymore (cached version here).

He says that he’s an alumni from MSU, but puts N/A next to Graduated. He also lists his income as being $250,000 and higher.

19 Comments leave one →
  1. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 12:58 pm


    MY POST #1) Amthrax: surely you gest…that one hyperlink to OW’s new blog regarding L. Allwede (a LIFE Coach Leader per his fB page, and former IT Team customer support), etc. Okay, let me get this right: because the guy listened to CDs fanatically and hustled recruits for 10,000 hrs, and admittedly didn’t find himself to well aligned in advanced education, he got THE J.O.B. in education? Right?

    We see in that blog by OW, he recounted Larry’s letter, and in there Larry goes on and on about how he had no degree, no advanced degree, not even a 2 yr degree, etc.–painted himself like a real loser at first, but how he came to have the winning halo once they saw his “other” talents and that they were so impressed with his “Liber” education.

    Then I do a search on him and he’s got himself listed as the “Class of 2005 · “Marketing · Business Administration · East Lansing, Michigan”, the very same year he says he had that interview and got it because he was, tongue-in-cheek, a “CD addict”….exaggerations about how he ended up so admired/hired by the Clintondale Virtual K12 school as Community Liaison?

    Excerpt from L. Allswede’s letter to OW, as reprinted by OW on his current blog page that Amthrax had given a link to (and note: I checked his photo out on multiple sites, so this IS the same L.A.):
    “Let’s fast forward 5 1/2 years later. In the Spring of 2011, I caught wind of a job opening for a virtual school. I applied. The problem? The applicants were required to have a MINIMUM of a BS Degree, “Preferred” to have a Masters Degree, year of Student teaching, a year of community service, and a whole laundry list of other qualifications that I did NOT have. I only have SOME college, but I did not finish. I do not even have an associates degree, let alone a MASTERS degree.”

    He also listed himself as 4 yrs at Michigan State U on LinkdIn; and as a 2005 GRADUATE of Michigan State University on Facebook.

    Okay, I guess he wasn’t such a non-degree’d “loser with no degree” who beat others out for the job, eh? Or else, he, too is a liar. Another person touting himself as a devout Christian, too.

    Doggone it, if I am wrong here, I’ll send the guy a personal letter of apology, but if I’m not: then shame on all of them for lying to their minions and the world AGAIN!!

    MY POST #2) CORRECTION ABOUT LARRY A.: 2005 was the year he checked out LIFE, and it was the same year he graduated from college. He got the job at the virtual school in 2011, claiming he was a college non-finisher. How I had written things in prior post could be confusing.

    MY POST #3) Amthrax: addendum on the Larry A. story (see my prior post and correction post) and what seems to be more lies re: his education status. (We know this reprinted letter was written to OW long after he graduated from college, and 5.5 yrs after being in LIFE/Team, etc.) So today 1/14/2013, with his education data splattered all over the internet for the world to see the truth, he has the nerve to thank all of the folks on OW’s blog page regarding his “hardship-come-winner story”:
    “January 14, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    Thanks Orrin for finding value in my story enough to publish it on your blog. I am humbled. God truly gets the glory!

    I appreciate all the wonderful feedback from everyone also. I hope this story helps. Stacey and I are just getting started and the future is looking brighter than ever for all who are involved!!

    We love and respect our leaders so much and cannot thank you guys enough! I can’t wait to see just how far we can take this thing called LIFE! 1,000,000 and beyond, here we come!

    Good bless,
    Larry Allswede”

    On can only shake one’s head in disgust at more lies coming out of this group! WHY would you deny you are class of 2005 st Michigan State University! To make it look like your success comes from being a CD addict and salesman “leadership coach”? HOnestly, I don’t think I can take much more of their lies and deception.

    [Editor’s note: corrected date]

    more to come

  2. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 1:00 pm

    continued from my prior posts on IAB thread, moved to correct new thread:

    MY POST #4:
    Amthrax: if you list yourself as a 2005 graduate of Michigan State University and you have 100 friends on fB, I don’ think you’d lie about that, do you? I can’t imagine lying to 100 of my friends about my education…really can’t. So I speculate the letter to OW was some kind of an exaggerated “put on”….truly do. He’s friends with LIFErs on fB, too, like CB, etc.

    MY POST #5:
    Amthrax: he calls himself: “Michigan State University
    Class of 2005 · Marketing · Business Administration · East Lansing, Michigan” (appears under his formal education section on fB)

    If you only studied for a few years, you would not list yourself as the Class of 2005. That would be unheard of. Example: my husband did two years at University of Wisconsin….on facebook, he might list he attending, but he would NEVER have listed himself as the class of 1977 in Engineering if he didn’t graduate there. Even IF this guy finished all but one course, he would NOT be entitled to list himself as the Class of 2005.

    MY POST #6:

    Amthrax: and if one is going to tout the religious praise, perhaps one should get rid of My Space site posts that go back (7 yrs total, but lots of stuff in the 5-6 yr frame left to read, prior to engagement/marriage) touting nothing but bands, bars, broads, and drinking. (Yes, same photo of him as on other sites); actually I think this is very likely not so unusual given the gent’s age, and I’m not sitting in judgment of youthful folly, but there seems to be some non-critical thinking going on with this fellow now being touted by OW when put in the reference frame of fibbin’ about an education for the sake of sensationalism, and using that supposed non-educated status to get edified about now in OW promoting his/Demille’s new book coming out in April, i.e., ‘Leadershift’ (should have removed the “i” in that title, and I’d buy it)

    (Oh! And by the way, one place he had himself listed as some kind of LIFE trouble-shooter or something with the bigwigs.)

    history of bars/drinking and broads:

    more to come

  3. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 1:03 pm

    continued posts of mine from IAB moving in sequence to new thread:

    MY POST #7: Amthrax: further clarification: he specifically had to go in and type it that he was the Class of 2005 of MSU on facebook….I know that for a fact…you, the owner of the page type that stuff in.

    MY FINAL POST #8 on this subject:

    Amthrax: found a lot of stuff, but this should say it all: Larry Allswede appears in the Winter of 2007 (page 3) edition of the Michigan State University Alumni Band Association Newsletter called Encore:
    I also found a MSU PDF file mentioning him:
    From Michigan State University PDF file about ‘Day of Rudimental Percussion’ dated 10/15/2006, under this paragraph:
    ”Dom Casola marched in the Spartan Marching Band from 1990‐1992, during which time he also did two of the Michigan State Complines. He has been teaching high school drumlines for the past 15 years. He has worked with such groups as Leslie HS, Everett HS, Howell HS, and St. Johns HS, and is currently working with Lansing Eastern HS and East Grand Rapids HS. MNY F Dom’s former students have gone to march in university drumlines and drum corps throughout the country. Two of his former students have bee the past two section leaders for the MSU Drumline, Larry Allswede and Jordon Novak. Dom is a current bass drummer of the Detroit Pistons Drumline.”

  4. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 1:09 pm

    New post: Larry Allswede Team biz bio (must be from 2005 or so?):

    “Larry and Stacey met in college in the Michigan State Marching Band, where Larry was the section leader of the drumline. Larry continued to pursue his passion for drumming, and currently performs professionally with the Detroit Pistons Drumline. While at MSU, Larry studied business management, and Stacey, who currently works as a high school science teacher, earned her teaching certification in biology and chemistry. Larry, who has had work experience in the automotive industry, retail and construction, was on the corporate fast track in the insurance industry when he made the decision to pursue a future with the Team. Larry found success as an employee, but always felt that he was destined for something more. He found the constraints of a nine-to-five job placed limits on his ability to live a life of his priorities. After meeting Holger and Lindsey Spiewak, and learning about the Team Training System, Larry and Stacey realized that building communities with the Team was the only way they could accomplish all of their dreams together. Larry and Stacey reside in Grand Blanc, Michigan and are expecting their first child this fall. They are excited to share with others what the Team has to offer and look forward to what the future holds”


  5. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 1:14 pm

    Well this is interesting: in a Dun & Bradstreet June 19, 2012 update, Larry Allswede of the correct age, living in Lansing, MI, was listed as working at: “Updated 6/19/2012 – This profile of Larry Allswede was created using data from Dun & Bradstreet” and he is listed as working with Gary Ball at a business called Ball’s Remodeling.

  6. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 1:19 pm

    I just can’t figure out why ol’ Larry is moonlighting since he makes more than $250,000/annum…grin:
    Employment History
    Sales and Leasing Consultant
    Capital HondaWeb References
    Honda New Car Sales – Honda Civic, Accord, Pilot Ridgeline – Capital Honda – Okemos, MI, 30 Nov 2007 [cached]
    Larry AllswedeCapital Honda – Mid-Michigan’s Honda Dealer Located just East of Lansing in Okemos Michigan!, 12 Dec 2006 [cached]
    Larry Allswede…
    Larry AllswedeSales & Leasing

  7. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 1:24 pm

    Graduated from HS in 2001; still in college in 2005 at Michigan State: here’s a website showing Larry placed 6th in a college snare competition:

  8. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 1:28 pm

    Well, looky here: proof at this page that he was in MSU in 2002 and 2004, playing the snares. Now we have 2002, 20044 and 2005 covered: (he graduated from HS in MI in 2001)

  9. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 2:16 pm

    Here is proof Larry was at Michigan State in 2001 as well: he was a snare drummer:

  10. switch permalink
    January 14, 2013 2:20 pm

    Well done Larry….I’m sure you’ll “earn” your spot in the RT’s or PC some day.

  11. Rascal Teamster permalink
    January 14, 2013 4:25 pm

    This is unbeeeeeeeeelievable!

    For a group that’s supposed to be so internet savy and smart as a whip, they sure don’t get it.

    YOU CAN’T LIE!!!

    You will get caught. Everything you’ve done or said for the past 10 years has pretty much been recorded.

    If you gain the World but lose your soul, what have you gained?

    As they say in the Team office, “Welcome To Life, Larry.”

  12. over and out permalink
    January 14, 2013 8:22 pm

    O.k. so WOW! I have to admit, I have not been staying current on Amthrax. When we first quit team I found myself on here so much and I was getting angrier and angrier everyday that I had to back off it. But my husband still gets updates and keeps me up to date, so when he received this email today I knew it had to be good judging by his reaction! So let me start with this, I thought Larry and Stacy were great people, in fact I still think they are, deep down underneath all the deception and lies, but I don’t think that is all there fault since they are being deceived themselves. We were in there direct down line. They sponsored us a few years back when Monavie was new.

    When I first read this I wanted to puke, then I laughed, then wanted to puke some more. We always said that they would be one of the “chosen” ones too. Anyway I am pretty sure Larry never did get a degree. Not sure why he was enrolled in school for so long but yet didn’t receive one. I will start with a little bit about Larry’s job with the Team office. After all the lawsuits were said and done the office “downsized” (or maybe they were just getting rid of there anonymous bloggers, but that is only MY opinion) so he was let go. His upline told him that he could hold off on getting a job for awhile as long as certain goals were met in the next 6 monthsish. Meanwhile, his wife is still working as a high school teacher, so obviously supplying all the benefits for there family. But he goes around and tells his whole team that he RETIRED! That hard work really does pay off! We actually had people quit our team because he was saying that and his wife was still working. We knew all this and more because we had gotten to be to close of friends to them. But then Bill Lewis apparently had a long talk with them about friends and how there is really no such thing as good friends on the team (even though you cant be friends with anyone else). I can see why now given we know so much more information about them that I would never mention. As far as this job goes that he is referring to in the letter he wrote to Orrin, he failed to mention that he knows the person well that runs this job. I believe it is his Mother in laws best friend. But I am not 100%. Maybe he did deserve it, I don’t know, I wasn’t there. But fact is, it wasn’t just some random company that had no ties to him.

    Before we had left the team his behavior was getting more and more shady. Walking stage as power player when no one was entered in our team since before the last major and much much more. That’s when I started to realize that Team was all politics, but my husband wasn’t convinced yet. Then much more unfolded with our church, which I have talked about in past stories on here.

    As far as Larry’s income that he is claiming to make, I know for a 100% FACT that they were broker than broke just a couple years ago. Every dime that was made went into this business. I remember a time I just didn’t feel right telling people we were bronzes when we definitely were not making the bronze income on the IDS. And he, also being a bronze, replied with, ” well you’re technically not lying when someone ask how much a bronze makes and you just point to the IDS.” I really started questioning everything then, not sure why it took that long though because I knew they were broke before he even said that. Anyway, I feel guilty even posting on here about this because I genuinely care for these people, but I think giving TEAM credit for his success is crap and very misleading so I couldn’t let that go! Team deserves credit for teaching people how to be selfish liars and that is all they deserve credit for.

  13. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 14, 2013 9:42 pm

    over and out~

    I totally understand how you feel. Thank You though for having the guts to share the truth, not so much for those on here, although it validates what everyone says because we all know this behavior is the rule not the exception, but it helps all and mostly those who are being deceived. Thank You!

  14. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 14, 2013 9:50 pm

    Amthrax, Wisdom, and the rest THANK YOU ALL for your time, research, and efforts to help!.

  15. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 14, 2013 10:23 pm

    @Over and Out: just so you know, I didn’t do this “on purpose” today–it just all fell out when I happened to click over to this guy’s facebook page. Sorry this person seems to be someone you care about so much, but: lying to the world about graduating from MSU on facebook and actually listing yourself graduating in a specific year; lying about “retiring” and possibly lying about why he got got a job; amd possibly lying about income, etc., all just to put on a facade in LIFE/Team and the world, etc., well, I think your acquaintance needs some help—that’s what being a true friend would be—help that person stop doing this stuff. Don’t know how lucky you’ll be because I found a source that says it’s actually his wife who is the LIFE Coach, unless they both are now.

  16. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 14, 2013 11:17 pm

    over and out~

    I agree with you that there were a lot of great people who got sucked in and then “followed” the protocol of saying “only positive” things about Team and PC along with others, even though there were many “negative” things and divisions created among people…that you would NEVER tell…that was going on and also in that protocol is the ‘persuaded’ “testimonies” that everyone knows ALL are expected to give and give ‘ all credit to the Team’/ Orrin & Laurie Woodward!

    So, I am NOT impressed and although they think this shows the world that they have “satisfied” people and it has changed people into a better person…I disagree for sure with that. But I have doubt this is OW.. strategic next move and we will all see a whole lot more of it… OW will pointing to the testimonies like he does to his titles even the fakes ones..but you can only fool some of the people, some of the time, but you can’t fool others all of the time and there certainly a lot of critical information that is coming out.

    Knowing this and how so many believe want to believe that the PC are spotless when asked they like Larry feel honored and think they have found favor.. I do not give any weight to their testimonies and don’t believe it is solely a free will act.. I am confident that Larry was asked to write that up along with all the other testimonies that probably most wouldn’t write them without some heavy promotion and persuasion!

    It is the requirements when speaking ALSO.. you base your story on… “Dream, Struggle, Victory”…and…. In “Showing the plan”:

    “Sell the Business to the crowd”…”Edify Husband/ Wife”…Main Topics to discuss…”Edify Upline PC & RT”…”5 step Pattern”..”Teach Attitude”…”Consistency & Power-Player”..”Promote Tools”..”Promote Up coming Major”…”Edify System”…”Encourage Commitment”… “Overcoming & the Victory with the Dream”….”how the system made a difference”…”How the upline PC/RT made a difference”…”How you were contacted, saw the plan, and why you got in”….”First Meeting & First Major”…”How my thinking has changed because of the system”…”When You met your Upline PC/.RT”…What did I see that made me do it”…”DISCUSS PRIOR DEFEATS IN OTHER ENDEAVORS”…and..”Tell NO Story that doesn’t end with a happy ending or resolution.”

    Your whole story is to convince the crowd that before you got started your life was a mess,… but after you got started and met your amazing PC/RT your life changed for the better and they don’t give credit anywhere else.

    I have no doubts it is the same with the “testimonies”, they have been asked, instructed, promoted, and “follow” because the conformity is expected and example is followed…and definitely with the use of some strong persuasion to fight the media-war (apparently that is now the critics)…sorry to say this doesn’t show the “critics” anything other than the “followers”…”follow”…they are the same as they have always been…. they do what they are told and follow without question!

  17. over and out permalink
    January 15, 2013 7:33 am

    AOW~ I really don’t “care about him so much” I just feel for his family . I haven’t spoken to them at all in about a year in a half since we quit. In fact, the second we quit we were done with team they were done with us. Which was expected and also they wanted to keep us as far away from other team mates as possible. I have absolutly no respect at all for him, and I didn’t mean for it to come off as I do. I just think about when I was on team, and I really thought my heart was in the right spot till I took a step back. So I just feel bad for everyone on team and for some reason still care about them all. But I agree with you, it is not right . So as far as being an acquaintance, he is not one, not even close. Niether is his wife. But I do feel bad for them and I do pray for them, especially their daughter who has to be brought up like this, being raised by baby sitters, as most families on team are, even the ones that that claim to be financially free yet spend more time away from there family then my husband who is always working overtime.

    Melanie~ “they are the same as they have always been…. they do what they are told and follow without question!” That is exactly what they did too. They followed people out of their Church, from a Pastor that turned him from an athiest into a believer, without any question. Believed everything they were told without asking any questions and seeking the truth. Another reason I’m sure Orrin is using him, because he would lick Orrins butt if Orrin asked him to. If anyone possibly knew that about them, leaving the church that he spoke so highly of without any question, and stayed on his team, well I have no respect for them either. Here I go…. I’m worked up now, after this last year of trying to forgive, and I’m back.

  18. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    January 15, 2013 7:42 am

    Just for clarification: I hope no one is equating being a liar and cheating with being an atheist–all atheist means is: non-theistic as more than 2/3rds of the world’s population is, and now, more than 20% of the United States is. That young man was never truly an atheist if some pastor could “turn” him into believing. He was an agnostic fence-sitter to begin with. There is NO negative connotation to the word ‘atheist’, the “a” means “non”.

  19. freedomhaha permalink
    January 15, 2013 9:48 am

    Overandout- Thanks for sharing. The people that were my direct sponsors are (were?) outstanding people. I myself have wrestled with my feelings toward them because they are also being duped. At what point do these people become responsible? I don’t have a great answer to that myself, but it is getting harder and harder for even the most rank and file TEAM member to turn a blind eye. I firmly believe that outside of the inner circle it is good people doing really, really bad things. My prayers have went out to those still stuck in the inside since I have left. When this whole thing does fall apart (sooner rather than later hopefully) I plan to reach out to my former upline and welcome them back in the “real world”.

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