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Ex-TEAM Reader Q&A: Memory Lame

March 26, 2013

Memory Lame provides her testimonial on being a member of TEAM for four years. Pay close attention to the amount of time and money spent; Memory Lame and her husband didn’t dabble in the business; they were heavily invested!


Joining TEAM

Tell us a little bit about your situation prior to joining TEAM?

My husband (We’ll call him Bob) and I were both working full time. He was working in a job he loved that didn’t make much money yet, but he was respected and in his element. I was working in a job that I tolerated. The benefits and pay were excellent, but I was running out of room for advancement and I don’t sit still long typically, so I was looking and ambitious.

How were you approached to join TEAM?

A guy at my husband’s work went to dinner with Bob and told him about it. All he could tell me when he got home is that it had to do with Kyosaki’s book that I had just read and that we were invited to come together to another meeting.

What attracted you to TEAM?

I really liked some of the thinking in Rich Dad, Poor Dad, so I was interested and willing to try it out. Although Bob was happy in his job, we were talking/praying about having children one day and me being able to stay home with them. We thought this might be the answer to a couple of prayers actually.

At the time you joined, what MLM company was TEAM aligned with? For instance, what products were you trying to sell?

Well, when we started they just said, “TEAM is the business.” or “The business is the business.” I actually read some web sites at that time that said it was Amway, but when I told Bob that, he said that the guy we were working with told him some sites would say that and that we should trust our new friends. It was only months after we got in that we realized this was Quixtar (a part of Amway) and a couple of years to realize that our friend was coached to say what he did versus just being a new guy who didn’t know what he was talking about at first.

We went to the first Major and Bob Dickie preached specifically about testing every spirit, which was exactly what we had prayed for, so we took it as a sign that God was confirming this was right for us…More on that later…

How much money was told she could/would make and in what time frame (or implied)?

2-5 Years/$2,000-$5000 per month.

This was clear in EVERY Tuesday night meeting we EVER attended.

Did they entice you with what they were making?

Yes. Supposedly, the “Emerald” upline in St. Louis had “replaced his income” from a $250,000 a year business. No one mentioned exactly how much he replaced it with. He drove great cars, but had a pretty ragged house because he was “delaying his gratification.”

There were also several nurses and engineers that had “retired” from their work as well.
Was their promises of passive, residual, ongoing income promoted?

ALWAYS. Passive, Pipeline, Residual, Will-able business. Do the work once, get paid for it over and over.

PUKE!

Working The Business

On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the highest, how hard would you say you worked the system?

Did you attend all the weekly meetings?

Did you attend all the monthly seminars?

Did you attend all the quarterly Major Functions?

We went to EVERYTHING for over 4 years. Through health issues, work conflicts, family events. We didn’t show the “magic” 15 plans a month though, so here’s where our former upline reading this will say we were just “losers. 95%ers who didn’t do the work”

Did you ever miss any meeting? If so, for what reason?

Either me or Bob were at every meeting for most of that 4 years, until near the end.

DIRTY LITTLE SECRET: If you miss a meeting or two, your head will often start to clear. That’s the real reason they don’t want you to miss.

With all this time spent in meetings, when did you go out and prospect people?

Yes. Plus, I had a big list of people, I had met through my real work.

What places did you go to do your prospecting?

Everywhere.

How much time did you spend working your business each week? Include time spent at meetings and prospecting.

I spent a good 20-25 hours per week on TEAM, outside of my normal 60-70 hour workweek.

Were you aware of websites or individuals critical to TEAM?

Yes, but I didn’t read any of them for several years after we were in.

What was your opinion of the critics?

They were all just blind. They were losers with victim entitlement mentality.

How did you become aware of websites or individuals critical to TEAM? Did they criticize the critics from stage at every seminar and or just behind the scenes?

Ironically, I became most aware of critical sites when they split from Quixtar. Although our upline’s would say from stage that people should stay away from them, many of them who had become our friends confided in us that they had been reading and posting on those sites critical of Amway/Quixtar.

Did you shun people who didn’t join TEAM?

Some of them. It depended on how they said no. Some people were really gracious about our stupidity and were still encouraging to us personally. Others got in, then faded out. I didn’t purposely shun those people, although I did spend less time with them simply because I didn’t have it anymore.

People who were rude, overly critical, who pretended they would meet with me and then didn’t show up, or who joined but always criticized – I shunned purposely.

Even now, I believe there are good and bad people who join and good and bad people who don’t.

Were the people you now hung out with just TEAM members?

After hours, yes. I still made time to stay in touch with people through out the work week for lunch, business networks, etc.

What did you do outside of your TEAM business? For instance, sporting activities, date nights, volunteer work, etc.

Nothing but an occasional movie at home. There was no time, and less and less money.

Concerns About The Business

When you joined, did you know that the TEAM leadership made a substantial amount of money from the sale of tools (tapes, CD’s, marketing materials) and function tickets?

NO.

During your time, did TEAM join another MLM company or start selling other company’s products? If so, how was this change communicated? Did you have any problems or concerns regarding this transition?

Yes. We went from Quixtar, to just TEAM (which “wasn’t really an opportunity” but we still bought training materials for this “Non-opportunity”

This change was communicated via a phone call on a Tuesday night. It SUCKED! Everything we and other couples had built together was gone within months.

It caused major strife between members of our organization and between our leaders.

When did you start having doubts about the effectiveness of TEAM and the business opportunity?

Honestly, there were a lot of small red flags at first – speakers from our original Top 50 disappearing, more money going out than coming in, leaders that had retired going back to work, not being able to tell prospects the details of this business openly, secrets, secrets, secrets, etc.

Oh, then there was the CD where Chris says, “We ain’t sellin’ no jungle juice!” only to later do exactly that. That CD conveniently disappeared…

I say these were small flags at the time because there was always an excuse for these things.

The first major thing that made me take pause was that LLR book. It was obvious even at the time that they were gaming the best seller list. They as much as said so. But it was a good book (I thought at the time), so what did it matter? 😦

The ongoing MAJOR thing in mine and Bob’s life, was this idea that in order for a man to be fulfilling the “man’s role” in this business, he was supposed to be figuring out how to make more money than me so that I could fulfill the woman’s role to stay home and raise a family right.

On the other hand, the woman’s role was to love and support her husband even if he wasn’t fulfilling their definition of “the man’s role” and going ahead and stepping in to fulfill his role in business leadership as well because “somebody has to lead” my “mentor” would tell me.

AGAIN PUKE!

It caused a ton of stress in our marriage. Terri Brady would talk about the sanctity of marriage and tell the story of two people who had an affair because they were riding to choir practice together instead of home and/or with their own spouses. Then these hypocrites would encourage single and married women throughout the organization to “run the roads” with their “upline” if necessary to build the business.

If you were a woman who wanted to work, you were selfish, dropping your kids off at kiddie prison every morning to fulfill your own selfish 95% desire.

Do you know your group’s attrition rate? Upline and downline groups.

High! The only members remaining on the TEAM today from our group are the original Emerald, Sapphire, and Gold couples. And NONE of them are at even close to those represented incomes any more. Last I heard all except the Emerald have gone back to work.

How many were ‘on system’ (and got off) out of total numbers in group during your time in TEAM?

Same as above.

What finally pushed you over the edge and made you quit TEAM?

I had a family emergency that took me out for about 2 months. During that time, the fog began to clear. I realized that we were giving up dreams that God had given to us to pursue someone else’s – ironically, the very thing they claimed to be saving us from.

At first, I was still supportive of those whom it would “work for”, but in the months that followed my eyes were opening more and more to the fact that this wasn’t working for anyone but a few. I saw as many or more families destroyed by the TEAM as they claimed to save. I saw Christian people idolizing the leadership, following them from church to church like they were the savior rather than Christ. I saw years and years of time that should have been spent “loving our enemies” that were wasted trying to pursue this “positive” environment that was nothing like what Christ actually called us to pursue.

I was pondering on all these things when I saw Orrin’s post about Bobby Dickie leaving, or at least, Rob Hallstrand coming back. So I started googling and found this site.

The bankruptcies made my blood pressure rise, but the Raquel Peters and Melanie Morgan stories made me hit the roof! We saw the same thing happen to our closest upline, and it was sickening to know that it was not the “misunderstanding” that we had been led to believe.

That started the ball rolling…

Conservatively, how much money did you spend as part of TEAM?

Every bit of $30,000.

How much time did you ultimately spend on the business?

Literally, thousands of hours.

If you knew about the public records of some of the TEAM leadership — bankruptcies, strategic defaults, and foreclosures — would this have hastened your departure from TEAM?

YES! Definitely!

What did you do with all of the tools that you purchased?

Burned. Sold to upline. Trashed.

Looking Ahead

Given the choice to join TEAM again, would you do it?

No. I would have sought out a good Bible study with older more mature real Christian leadership.

What lessons did you learn from your TEAM experience?

Ask the same questions of ANY MLM, or MORE than you would about any other investment or business.

Don’t just ask what it takes to “get started.”

Don’t just ask for an income statement.

Ask about the total costs of time and money that it takes to be PROFITABLE.

If you make $5000 per month after 2 years, but you’re spending $6000 – you are still losing money.

If you make $60,000 (you won’t) and spend $40,000 ($20,000 profit) and you work 2000 hours in a year, that’s $10 an hour. That’s not going to go very far.

MAKE YOUR UPLINE SHOW YOU HIS/HER FINANCIALS. IF THEY CAN’T, DON’T DO IT.

What advice would you give to people who have left TEAM?

Forgive yourself. Love others enough to tell your story here, and save them the heartache.

What advice would you give to current TEAM members?

Get out now. There are SO MANY other, better, honest ways to reach people. Quit living under the burden of the guilt of this group.

Any last words?

“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ~Sun Tzu


Thank you to Memory Lame for providing her testimony.

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29 Comments leave one →
  1. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    March 26, 2013 7:56 am

    Wow, sad account of this experience, MemoryLame, and thanks for taking th etime to do this–it sure does solidify what we thought we were seeing happen almost from the getgo as parents of the involved adult child. I have a question for you: when did you get out? Sometime in 2012? (I’m asking because I want to see if you were still in it at the same moment in time our child was) And just for curiousity sake, how come you two never got involved in the 3rd iteration, i.e., Mon Avie while you were still remaining in the team?

  2. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    March 26, 2013 8:10 am

    MemoryLame: I just HAD to come back and tell you what’s on Hawkin’s fB wall right now (because it’s so pertinent to where you’ve been in Team):

    1) this quote: “Our financial goals should not be about getting a high net worth but about increasing our worth to God, family, country and society.” (There are also very, very many posts about being “fired up” and trying to con folks all the way from Madison, WI to Ottowa, Canada, too, and oh, how there are SO MANY new interested members, etc.)

    2) followed by multiple posts with the true hidden agenda: asking people what kind of car they’ll get picked up in…the quote: “What kind of car is picking you up on your last day? Who will be there to watch it happen?” (has a picture of the next poor, supposedly rich and set for a lifetime victim, Emily Hebbe and the limo) All meaning: who’s picking you up when you finally get to quit the hated “JOB” and rely on their supposedly guaranteed lifeteim residual riches from LIFE/Team.

    So, we have two major current posts devoted to material wealth, rather contradicting the first quote. Ain’t nuttin’ changed since you quit, eh?

  3. MemoryLame permalink
    March 26, 2013 8:39 am

    ageofwisdom51,

    Thanks for your posts and for everything you contribute here. Your comments make me realize how many of my loved ones may have felt.

    We actually got out in late 2009, which was with Monavie. We/I had decided to take my mentor’s advice that year and lead versus my husband who was very supportive of me at the time. When tragedy hit my family late that year though, it took me out enough time to begin lifting the fog. I wanted to at first, but thankfully, I never went back.

  4. MemoryLame permalink
    March 26, 2013 8:48 am

    Wow! I just looked at the Hawkins site. This video: http://youtu.be/NWhCa_h6Sr8

    This so scary. A man who has literally encouraged and manipulated thousands of people to “invest beyond their means” into his back pocket has the nerve to continue to talk about getting people out of debt!

    Sadly, I don’t even know why that surprises me. Everytime I think they can’t stoop lower though, they do.

    Side note: the movie, Believe, is back on Netflix. Everyone should watch it.

  5. Raisingtenkidz permalink
    March 26, 2013 9:14 am

    Ageofwisdom51 my comment on Dan’s post is anyone can rent a Limo, does not make one debt free or wealthy, actually it goes against what they teach with spending ones money on frivolous things that we do not need! 🙂

  6. Chris permalink
    March 26, 2013 10:22 am

    Memory Lane- great to hear your story! I.couldn’t agree more with life team contradicting statements. They say one thing and do the other, especially in cases of priorities.
    I also would like to say I just finished last book from team life. ” On Becoming a Leader” by Warren Bennis pg 190 (Love this), ” Leaders encourage reflective backtalk. Leaders know the importance of having someone in their lives who will unfailingly and fearlessly tell them the truth ” ( Norman Wiener)
    ” ” it allows the leader to learn, to find out more about him , herself.”
    “Leaders encourage dissent – leaders need people around.them who have contrary views.”
    Though I don’t agree with everything in this book, it’s interesting to note team life doesn’t seem to deal with backtalk or dissent, it seems they ignore it or paint us as not credible or not positive people.

  7. Just Came To permalink
    March 26, 2013 10:34 am

    Wow! Thank you for sharing, Memory Lame. You covered some key points in your testimony. IMO, the biggest point is that Team contradicts their own supposedly Christian worldview frequently. Using Bible verses to back up materialism is wrong, yet they wholeheartedly believe they are doing the right thing by encouraging people to lust after worldly possessions to “motivate” them to serve others.

    As you so eloquently stated: PUKE!

    You have inspired me even more to work on my own questionnaire! Thank you!

  8. Susan Lovelace permalink
    March 26, 2013 1:41 pm

    Keep sharing!

  9. Just Came To permalink
    March 26, 2013 3:55 pm

    Watching that video about the new Leadershift book that Memory Lame shared makes me want to get involved with a movement to restore society that isn’t fronted by a charlatan like Orrin.

  10. MemoryLame permalink
    March 29, 2013 7:09 pm

    Just saw this on Orrin’s blog –

    “In fact, community builders, who have maintained a solid business for a decade or longer, are extremely rare because few leadership culture’s work on heart issues.”

    What the heck does ‘solid business’ mean? Isn’t the business made up of people? People who move out as often as they join? So what if a team of 100 people is still at 100 people 10 years later?! 99.999% or MORE of that group will NOT be the same people! If it is the same people, by innate nature of the ‘business’ 99-100 of them will be LOSING money!!

    It has nothing to do with leadership or HEART! They aren’t rare, Orrin. They’re NON-EXISTENT!!

    Here’s my favorite part though:

    “While learning the techniques to build a solid community, be sure to also pray for a Christ-centered heart that desires good for everyone that you come into contract with.”

    Notice he writes ‘contract’ with. That statement describes verbatim how TEAM/LIFE teaches members to set their heart and that is good ultimately only toward those in contract with them.(Great example of this here: https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/ex-team-reader-qa-susan-lovelace-teamlife-statement/) Perhaps he meant ‘contact’ with, but in his own words:

    “Whatever the heart dwells upon will ultimately be what the mouth speaks about.”

  11. March 30, 2013 9:22 am

    @MemoryLame – This is a good point. It would be informative to know how much people among the 10,000+ members within TEAM/LIFE have been there for a decade or longer. If 9,000 of them are basically “brand-new”, what happened to the 9,000 before them who are no longer there?

    This is why I think it’s important for MLM participants to look around the crowd and see who’s there year after year and who’s there for just a short period of time. The churn rate tells all.

  12. Melanie Morgan permalink
    March 30, 2013 11:22 am

    MemoryLame~

    Thanks for your courage and honesty!

    When people read yours, Susan’s and all the others first hand experiences and (if some would only tell… they would shatter the cognitive dissonance of most).

    Those who refuse to or cannot still see or continue to fall for their lame and strategic.. “handling objections” if they read these first hand accounts and can’t find their experiences in them, then I believe they are the one’s who know, and are willing to ignore that they are hurting others, for their own personal (money/gain). Those I have zero respect for..

    Their “handling objections” is their way to control the thought processes of their followers…their criticism builds up the hate for the critics. They will do anything including lie to convince others that the critics are losers. They will undoubtedly sue the ones who could expose them for what they have really done…they will use their might=money… to abuse, bully, and try and sue, gag, them silence forever!,…

    The people they know have the knowledge they want to take to their graves or who are not “for them”..remember it is an “us vs them” small little shrunken world you must live in and only feed off what they want you to believe…they scream and claim they will be the ones to restore everyone’s “FREEDOM” in America?…all the while enslaving and suing others for their freedom… shouting they are Christian’s.. from the roof tops and they are the fairest in the land?!!

    They will never admit what they know they have done and the damage they have caused…at least not while on planet earth…Rather than practice what they preach and take responsibility, for all those damages, right their wrongs, they will continue on their path of self-destruction,. imo…they want it all swept under the rug and pretend it “never happened”..it was everyone else fault, they are the hero’s…. they are too proud to just admit the truth, not possible for them…

    The lowest form and irony is they use the money to sue those same people who made them that money and brought the people who they are living their lifestyles off of… still drawing THEIR “residual income” from…sick and evil..

    I am not sure, because haven’t nor will ever read another one of their propaganda books by them but do they mention this as part of the “resolution” process? We believe it is the Christian and biblical to do..to Silence, and gag, even if they did tell the truth..but own that person forever because they shared their experience or tell the truth? Again it is sick and evil.

    Eventually all darkness will come to light and everyone will not avoid the truth or consequences of their actions.

    Everyone that doesn’t agree with them are just critics..”the death gargle of a non-achiever”…wonder if they say that while looking in the mirror?

    Critics…”They are being paid to say it,” “they are jealous”, “they are liars, nameless, faceless, quitters, & haters” (Any moron can figure out why people feel they need to remain anonymous, from these tyrants ..if you don’t they will just sue you into voicelessness..they aren’t about justice or conflict resolution…they are acting as dictators trying to control everything, including your thoughts…

  13. Melanie Morgan permalink
    March 30, 2013 3:37 pm

    They are clearly NOT about Freedom… nor of financial freedom for all, autonomy.. not of expression, personal experience, opinion, facts, feelings, or thoughts…at least not anyone else that would not think the same way they do or pretend to and worship them!

  14. Melanie Morgan permalink
    March 30, 2013 3:54 pm

    correction: Who don’t worship them!

  15. Melanie Morgan permalink
    March 30, 2013 6:57 pm

    Their “Handling Objections” are also used in a Big way to throw off and ‘stop the thinking of’ any and all questioning from the new “prospects”,..

    Every new ‘member’ should ask of their upline, and don’t settle for any BS answer.. Why do they teach to not be or can’t you be completely honesty and transparent answering the prospects questions?..All their questions are legit business questions and almost every prospects asks the same ones or responds the same way..it is the reason why they avoid them and teach how to “handle the objections,” in the first place!

    Why don’t they answer them with the truth? Hmmm..They do know the answers but are taught to answer those Objections or questions with questions…manipulation at it’s finest.

  16. MiniatureGiantSpaceHampster permalink
    March 31, 2013 6:42 am

    Answering questions with questions.

    When first reading The LIFE TEAM Builders Textbook I never questioned that section. Previously my upline had given me a copy of “How I Raised Myself From Failure to Success in Selling” to read. This very topic is discussed.

    From a sales standpoint I think this makes perfect sense. I see it as a common sales tactic which is used everywhere, not just the Life Training/LIFE (doesn’t roll off as well as TEAM/LIFE) sales pitch.

    On the other hand I am also a customer. I see there being two types of customers. There’s the typical average customer and the smart customer. The average customer doesn’t see through the initial sales pitch. They get caught up and make an emotional buying decision or are too lazy to do any research. I fell in to this category. Then there’s the smart customer. This person steps back from the sales pitch and researches what they will potentially be buying or getting themselves in to. Once they are armed with a proper list of questions it’s time to speak again with the salesman. If your questions are not properly answered then guess what, no sale. I am now working on becoming a smart customer.

    To my uplines credit he told me to write out a list of questions to ask at my follow through, something I did not do. Unfortunately you are not given much time to properly research and make a list of questions. Preferably they like the follow through to be within two to three days of the initial meeting. If you say you are busy they do attempt to make you change your plans. In my opinion three days are not enough time to formulate a proper list of questions. Considering how busy most people are it’s barely enough time to get through the material in the first night pack, let alone doing third party research.

    Since I’ve left LIFE I’ve actually begun researching the pros and cons MLM’s. This is due to me identifying one of my weaknesses and will help me in any future decision I make in life. So far I’ve come to the conclusion that all MLM’s are not pyramid schemes. However, I get the impression there are far more bad MLM’s then proper retail selling MLM’s. Just as there are generally fewer good vs bad mechanical contractors (fly by night guys are a dime a dozen). Still, I don’t see MLM’s as being for me. They are one of many ways to earn a dollar, other methods simply align closer with my dreams.

    This concludes another post which seemingly turned in to an essay.

  17. Melanie Morgan permalink
    March 31, 2013 4:40 pm

    MGSH~

    Are you saying you are specifically and currently a customer in LIFE? Is your job or profession in “Sales?”

  18. MiniatureGiantSpaceHampster permalink
    April 1, 2013 7:38 am

    No and no. I’m just stating things as I see them. Wether or not it’s right I can not say.

  19. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 1, 2013 12:06 pm

    MGSH~

    From a “sales” standpoint it might seem logical to you and not manipulation, but you are not dealing In a business where the agenda is, true “sales.”

  20. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 1, 2013 12:30 pm

    MGSH~

    It is good you are logical, it is what keeps you questioning, and probably what has saved you from being “emotionally” lured because.. here is the catch…it isn’t about logic either,…it IS about emotion.

    In your case..a logical thinker…or melancholy.. What a seasoned/skilled leader would do to get you hooked and change…they would “use” those logical “sales” techniques on you

    They will give you EVERY emotional-story cd and avoid every “how to” (logical) one for as long as it takes.. in their system… until they see you are no longer thinking or asking “logical” questions!

  21. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 1, 2013 1:22 pm

    My perspective comes from years of studying, practicing, and”building-the-business”, Reading and re-reading those “TOP 5 Books” ( the one you mentioned, is one of them) and to now gone through many hours of healing, reflecting, and detoxing or decompressing, which has allowed me to ask and understand how manipulation and deception is used.

    I now truly believe it is a cult, with deception, greed, and power at the heart of those at the top. I clearly see we never “owned” our own business, that was a flat out lie. Standing up to the unethical, immoral actions of those same people, it cost us 13 years of our lives away from our loved ones we can never get back including our efforts and own business.

    So it cost us way, way more than just a seemingly “business”; we trusted everything, fell for their lies and for the most part thought the people at the top were trustworthy. We found out and this couldn’t have proved to be further from the truth.

    I am able to now understand their “what & why”…very specific strategic, & systematic process of how they hook people with their seemingly benevolent cause.

    I can now clearly and able to understand their practiced manipulative and self-serving teaching. I am also now able to ask the questions of myself… how does a person get sucked in and stays in. and many, many more……We have the experience of thousands of people who have said no or been recruited and got on our team.

    I can tell you beyond a shadow of doubt, what seems as innocent and logical or reading books on sales and other techniques are not innocently used. There is a reason, that book you mention is in the “TOP 5”!

    I also know now you it is nothing but a pay to play and lose in a game that is rigged against the masses.

  22. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 1, 2013 1:37 pm

    I now also know that they do not practice those same leadership skills and principles they pay lip service to, they do not live by.

    I now also know that they do not believe in FREEDOM for all, not freedom of thought, expression, beliefs, including Freedom of Speech!

    I now also know that they will do whatever, say whatever, to make themselves appear “Christian” while using others credibility to reinforce this to others.

    I now also know they will do anything to try and make themselves look or appear credible.

    I now know they will withhold, hide, any or all information and do “whatever-it-takes” to destroy their perceived enemies .

    I now know I couldn’t be happier, and know with everything in me, that we did the right thing and are extremely grateful our eyes were opened and we are set free!

  23. MiniatureGiantSpaceHampster permalink
    April 2, 2013 10:37 am

    All I can do is state what I have personally experienced. Since I was not “in” to the level many here were I can not speak of experiences I never had. 🙂

    What I can say is prior to joining LIFE I have all ready started up my own fledgling business. When you want to do business on the level you quickly learn it’s not as simple as collecting money and keeping some records. It didn’t take long to discover I jumped in to something I wasn’t prepared to do. Since I’ve have some experience running a business, albeit unsuccessfully, there is much I’ve read on the topic which seems missing from LIFE. One thing I do know it’s time to swallow my pride and make the changes to my business I know I need to. Pride can be a pesky thing.

    On the personal side of finances, I’ve been doing some good reading on that topic since I left LIFE. I came across this article today, seems fitting for the overall TEAM/LIFE discussion.

    http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2013/03/28/an-affinity-for-fraud/

  24. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 2, 2013 12:53 pm

    Thanks for the link, that is a good article.

    We too owned a business, before the team and since we left.They do not spend any time teaching how a real business works. You won’t find them teach from stage, how to run even how the Team, Life as a “business.” or all components of it.

    They didn’t even tell you how you were paid in Profit-sharing, any real business that isn’t hiding something doesn’t keep secrets on how they pay the people they are paying!..You are just suppose to “trust” them, which turns out for many was the Biggest Mistake, not to mention they won’t give a copy of the contract we signed!

    They are about recruiting and the extent of their business teaching is “you can write everything off” which is used only as a bait line. The rest, “it’s the why”, the “dream”…all emotional hype… you figure out the “how” to run it, on your own.

  25. MemoryLame permalink
    April 2, 2013 3:31 pm

    Melanie, Melanie, Melanie! Of course they teach you HOW to run their business!

    Remember: Make a List, Contact, Show the Plan, Follow Through, Get them to an Open Meeting, Repeat!

    What else could one possibly need to know about how to run a business? If that’s not clear enough, there is a cd for every step. It’s just stupid-proof.

    What? How does the money work? Geesh! Isn’t it Obvious? Just stick to the plan and you’ll be walking the beaches of the world one day! If you want to know how the money works, just work the business, plug into the system, don’t miss ANYTHING, and you will retire your wife (unless she’s working the business), pay for your kids college (because they won’t want to go if you indoctrinate them with system), and most importantly you will get to stand on the shoulders of giants like Orrin, Chris, and Tim (while they earn off your back). See Orrin’s boat, Chris’s house,Terri’s diamond, Laurie’s Mercedes, Tim’s Coach, Amy’s shoes?…THAT is how the money works!!

  26. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 2, 2013 4:23 pm

    MemoryLame~

    Hahaha..walking the beaches of the world…Yep…the lifestyle.. some kinda details that is on how to run a real “business”….

    “Your pay check is effective as soon as you are!”

    Bring the numbers to the system and you will have, passive, residual, on-going, will-able income..”…

    “Treat it like a business, not a hobby”…

    “Build it for things unseen”…so when you will need it, it will be there

    “This will be the last thing you will ever have to get good at”

    “Pay now, play later”,

    Just go Powerplayer.. turbo 100, triple 100, PC,..

    “Do now what others won’t, so you can have later what others don’t”,

    “Trust me, the money is there!”

    “Do what the (PC) have done and you will have what they have,” ( intentionally fail to leave out some very important & telling details, or the rest of the story on how they really got there).

  27. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 2, 2013 4:26 pm

    “What’s the worst thing that can happen to you,….25% off of everything you buy!” And when you get there you will get 4% for the rest of your life!

    “Just buy from yourself and teach others how to do that”

  28. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 2, 2013 4:31 pm

    “You will figure out HOW, when you figure out WHY!”

  29. Melanie Morgan permalink
    April 2, 2013 6:37 pm

    Gotta love it how they throw the word leadership & responsibility around like a rag doll (for everyone else); must need to avoid and justify their own lack of taking responsibility for all the business they destructed and took from others, the friendships that they used and abused, the slander, and all the lies they have told and deception they use or will they continue to blame others for what they have done?

    Think they will ever take their own advice? Wonder what they believe they are responsible for? Have they taken responsibly for all they have done?….Not seeing it.

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