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Do As I Say, Not As I Do: TEAM/LIFE Policy Council Member Bill Lewis and His Delinquent Property Taxes

August 23, 2013

Update September 1, 2013: Genesee Country Register of Deeds lists additional real estate transactions by Lewis, William P. Note the prior tax lien in 2009 on a property in Flint, Michigan. Also note the forfeiture of real estate property due to non-payment of property taxes for another property in Flint, MI. Read more here.

Update August 30, 2013: Bill Lewis responds to this post in “A Recent Lesson on Credibility”

Update August 27, 2013: After nearly two years of being delinquent (i.e. behind on paying property taxes), the Lewis residence is no longer listed as such on the Genesee County, Michigan, Treasurer Department website. The Grand Blanc Township website still lists the taxes as unpaid, but that is because that website has not received the updated information from the county. When it does, it will list the exact date the bill was paid (i.e. late).

[Editor’s note: The following post is as it originally appeared on August 23, 2013 when we reported that the Lewis’ had not paid their property taxes in nearly two years. Four days later, the taxes were paid.


In 2010, Orrin Woodward sold his house in Grand Blanc, MI, to William (Bill) P. Lewis III and Jacqueline S. Lewis via a land contract for $1,100,000. The house has been the site for at least one major TEAM event in the past. On November, 2012, members of Bill and Jackie Lewis’ team were invited for a day of dream building. See Tim Jarvinen and Neal Ruffner’s recaps. Jarvinen mentioned that the garage was filled with “beautiful cars-all paid for cash” and included photos of two Bentleys.

An investigation has revealed that property taxes on the house have been delinquent since Winter, 2011.

Over at Michigan’s Genesee County Treasurer website, one can do a search in the public records for delinquent property taxes. By entering either the property’s Parcel Number or the Owner Name, one can see that the Lewis’ have not paid their bill in nearly two years:

  • Winter 2011: $4,750.36 (Unpaid)
  • Summer 2012: $10,988.70 (Unpaid)
  • Winter 2012: $4,900.59 (Unpaid)
  • Summer 2013: $10,404.17 (Unpaid)

The Summer 2012 and Winter 2012 figures are what’s listed on the Genesee County website when doing a delinquent tax search on the property:

  • Charges: 2012
  • Status: Delinquent
  • Original Taxes: $15,889.29
  • Penalties: $635.57
  • Interest: $953.36
  • Statutory Fees: $0.00
  • Total: $17,478.22

Each month they fail to pay their property taxes, the figure gets higher due to additional penalties and interest. Looking at the historical information on the Grand Blanc Township website, it’s evident that this is not an isolated event:

  • Summer 2007: $16,463.39: Paid late on January 28, 2008
  • Summer 2008: $25,197.87: Paid late on January 20, 2009
  • Summer 2010: $19,463.27: Paid late on November 30, 2010

A call to the Genesee County Treasure Department verifies that this information is up-to-date as of August 21, 2013. Michigan’s Public Act 123 of 1999 has this to say about delinquent property taxes:

On July 22, 1999, the Governor of Michigan signed Public Act 123 of 1999, which shortens the time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property under the process called tax reversion. Property owners with taxes that are 2 years delinquent will go through a foreclosure process and the property may be sold at public auction.

Winter 2013 is coming up, so the Lewis’ had better pay the bill or else the house will go through foreclosure.

Earlier this week, Bill Lewis wrote about regaining credibility. He writes:

The most important thought to begin with is you can actually gain credibility by making and owning up to a mistake. Its [sic] amazing how counterintuitive, in todays culture, it seems to own up to a mistake.

TEAM/LIFE proponents often prop up their leaders as examples of financial success. Being delinquent on property taxes does not seem like a good example to follow.

Will Bill and Jacqui Lewis admit to this mistake? Will their credibility be restored in the eyes of their followers who currently believe they are fiscally responsible people? Or, will this be just another example of a TEAM/LIFE leader who says one thing, but does another?1


1 Here are previous articles about the bankruptcies and strategic foreclosures of high-ranking TEAM/LIFE members.

57 Comments
  1. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 23, 2013 5:40 am

    OMG….are you kidding me?

    Question….Does this prove the lack of income potential from the LIFE business, the fact that the “Team Leaders” are really bad with basic math skills, or that through all these years of leadership they are still the worms they say they were before the business? Maybe all of the above?

    Holy Crap, Bill. Pay your flippin’ taxes.

    And Orrin really is an arse hole for allowing his flowers to get in over their heads. Not only did he council Bill to buy the Grand Blanc house. He sold it to him.

    God bless America….the things I’d like to say right now…..but Amthrax would have to ban me for life.

    Good work on this one, Amthrax!

    [Editor’s note: No, not kidding. Perform the search on the Genesee County website to see this information for yourself.]

  2. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:45 am

    LOL!! This is amazing info. And yet, we see out on the internet, people like Bill Powers loudly singing the financial “mentoring” praises of Bill Lewis, e.g.,

    “Bill helped me understand that paying interest on items that depreciate is a costly mistake……A mentor is concerned with your interests and is able to diagnose your needs. Younger mentors like Orrin Woodward and Bill Lewis give older men like myself a restored purpose that we can serve the second half our life that adds the satisfaction that is missing from an older mans life.”

    Silly comment: Evidently (tongue-in-cheek) this must also carry over to post-econ-crash, potentially-depreciating real estate property;;;; 😉

    (source: http://brianpowersleadership.wordpress.com/category/bill-lewis-team-life/ ; several different paragraphs)

  3. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 23, 2013 8:09 am

    10-1 Orrin bails Bill out on this one. Not sure if we could ever find out for sure, but I’m just betting….

    If Bill loses that house, that will discredit the entire Policy Council. In reality, this already discredits them. Bill either doesn’t have the money, or he’s a tax evader. Either choice is disastrous.

    Age, there are a lot of people like Brian Powers, first level leaders, who have been using Bill’s credibility as a basis for why they build the business. But they yoked themselves to the wrong team, and it’s all unraveling.

    Jack Nicholson said it best in Batman,
    “Ever dance with the Devil in the pale moon light?”

    So, per our Timeline, there was a BIG house plan at Joe Darkangelo’s house right before his bankruptcy. There were some BIG leaders there.

    Present were…..
    Joe Darkangelo – bankrupt
    Chuck Cullen – bankrupt
    Bill Lewis – 2 yrs delinquent on prop tax
    Mark Paul – ??????

    Someone keep a close eye on the Lake Angelus Paul property….I have a feeling they can’t escape this one. And I’m not sure if they still own the home on Tee 1 at Warwick Hills golf course, but they did last I knew.

    [Editor’s note: Removed joke/statement at the end for sensitivity reasons]

  4. Katie permalink
    August 23, 2013 8:20 am

    Wow! Great job again AMTHRAX. Here it is again, proof that the leaders are not only not practicing what they preach, the Lewis family must not be making the millions they say they are, or they’d be able to pay. The leaders of team also talk about how silly it is to run up interest on credit cards, this is no different! Hypocrites! How silly.

    [Editor’s note: I wonder if there is a section in the Financial Fitness Pack which speaks about paying (or not paying) one’s property taxes.]

  5. The Truth Hurts permalink
    August 23, 2013 10:50 am

    Just some interesting thoughts; look at the Math below..maybe this is why the taxes are late?

    According to Grand Blanc Township, they bought the home for $1,100,000.00. Now the first thing I noticed is the sales of houses immediately surrounding this home are for a mere pittance compared to this Sale, which is a Land Contract. Now, Land Contracts are interesting, in that you can sell a home for more than a bank would appraise it for, due to depressed real estate values, etc.

    A Land Contract (Sale) is financed by the Seller, which means that if the Buyer defaults, the Seller can usually take back the property within 90 days, although I have seen some written with as little as a 30 day clause too.

    The interest rate may be, and usually is, more than the current rate one would obtain through normal channels. Lets do some Math, see below.

    Sale Price of home for example $1,100,000.00
    Down payment $ 220,000.00
    Amount financed $ 880,000.00

    Payment calculated at 5.5% interest monthly $4,996.54 on a 30 year loan.
    Taxes if paid timely, no penalties) $1,324.94

    This makes the payment $6,321.18 a month before Insurance, wow!

    Now this is an assumption that the interest rate is 5.5%, but it could be more. This also makes the assumption that $220,000.00 was put down on the home too. In any event, I could not sleep at night if I had that type of expense hanging over my head! Now add the cost of utilities, amazing.

    House sales in area

    9263 sold for $271,000.00 i December 2011

    9262 sold for $337,000.00 November 2008

    Just facts easily obtained on public websites, and hypothetical calculations (they are correct) based upon what could have been financed.

  6. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 23, 2013 12:06 pm

    I am just shaking my head at what absolutely “cherry” positions Brady and Woodward have in this business.

    Not only are they running one of the most lucrative (for them) tool scams in the history of The MLM business, but they have an eager market of downline’s to peddle their over valued homes to when they want to sell them.

    It sure doesn’t sound like Bill Lewis got any kind of a deal from his buddy Orrin. Granted Orrin’s old house is easy twice the size of anything in that neighborhood, but there is no way it was worth what Bill paid for it. Not in this market.

    Same goes for the Birtles foreclosure. When Kirk bought the old Brady house, he paid way more for it than it was worth.

    For a company who prides itself on claiming financial smarts, they sure act dumb. And for a company who prides itself on honest relationships, it seems not even the inner circle is safe from Orrin.

  7. Heather - "Just Came To" permalink
    August 23, 2013 2:46 pm

    Remember when Chris Brady said this?

    “You don’t fight taxes by evasion. You fight them by being active in your civil government.”

    LOL.

    (Bill could be just broke instead of evading, but either way he’s a hypocrite.)

  8. Freedomhaha permalink
    August 23, 2013 6:38 pm

    This is a great example of the old Brady quote “The truth isn’t positive or negative. The truth is the truth.” The only thing reported here was fact.

    Speaking of dream building let me do a little myself…

    AMTHRAX article: “Orrin Woodward forecloses on Florida home”
    As TEAM begins to dwindle it seems that Orrin was not able to make the payments on the Florida home. It appears that TEAM LIFE had less than 1,000 people at its latest major function.

    Ah, how nice does that sound?

  9. Melanie Morgan permalink
    August 24, 2013 1:13 pm

    Great work, AMTHRAX and great points, others! Hypocrites and misleaders, beyond words. Two “100,000 ” dollar cars and you can’t pay your proprty taxes in almost 2 years?! Looks like the Lewis bailed Orrin out on that one and are living WAY above their means but clearly misrepresent themselves. Is that what they call “living a life of excellence?” Disturbing how they fail to practice what they preach!

  10. need life like I need a hole in the head permalink
    August 25, 2013 7:40 am

    I remember staying in Burt Kirtles home, the former Brady home. The Brady’s were so kind to leave the old Team of Destiny rug in the office area………Band of brothers, more like Band of Foreclosures.

  11. switch permalink
    August 25, 2013 10:54 am

    LOL….you gotta be kiddin me.

    Mansion….FAKE
    Maserati….FAKE
    Bentley….FAKE
    Escalade….FAKE

    the list goes on…..

  12. switch permalink
    August 25, 2013 11:16 am

    Genesee County Treasure Department says-
    “On July 22, 1999, the Governor of Michigan signed Public Act 123 of 1999, which shortens the time property owners have to pay their delinquent taxes before losing their property under the process called tax reversion. Property owners with taxes that are 2 years delinquent will go through a foreclosure process and the property may be sold at public auction.”

    Road trip, anyone?….Anybody up for meeting me at the auction….?

    Maybe we could hold a REAL ticket holder meeting,…and all proceeds go back to those who were royally screwed by these monsters….?

    Can you imagine?…

  13. switch permalink
    August 25, 2013 4:18 pm

    lewis also said-
    “Despite your best intentions, despite your quest for excellence, despite being a person of character there are going to be times where things don’t go as you planned. Things change unexpectedly, people you are counting on don’t do what they said they would do, or it just plain gets messed up. It is going to happen to every one of us. The question is what do we do when it happens?”

    Here’s a thought, lewis… maybe those people woke up and realized they were being taken to the bank and dropped you like a bad habit?… Ever think of that option?

  14. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 25, 2013 5:49 pm

    Hey Switch, did ya notice on Bill’s blog, there are only 14 replies? The only notable names that I recognized were Brian and Sherry Powers. There wasn’t one reply be a single PC? What’s up with that…not even his fellow PC are replying to his blog?

    Kind of sounds like they are having a social media meltdown, does it not? Only 14 replies to a PC blog is absolutely pitiful. Are they really that irrelevant in the real world that they get no posts to their blogs by anyone outside of the LIFE Leadership Business? And if there are no outside Team replies to the blogs, yet the leadership is telling members that they are relevant in the real world, can they really be relevant?

    (Those questions asked for the sake of all the Team Life members who may read this. Those are serious questions!)

  15. Charles permalink
    August 25, 2013 6:02 pm

    I tried posting on both Tim and Neal’s blogs about the unpaid property taxes, with the appropriate links to back up my statements. Within a few hours, the postings were removed. Just thought I’d throw that in here.

  16. switch permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:27 pm

    Rascal Teamster-
    Yes, I did notice that he had a low number of responses. Pathetic isn’t it? What’s hysterical is, there isn’t an ounce of truth behind his posts but rather a sad deflection of scooting around the real truth/honesty in hopes of a follower, who doesn’t have the slightest clue on the truth, dismisses him for his actions. (whatever they may be in their warped, sad little world.) That’s all it takes for a sick, egotistical individual like this to hear from his followers and WHALLA, everything is back to normal…even if it’s a measly 14 responses…

    Sad but true.

  17. August 27, 2013 7:12 am

    Everyone:

    After nearly two years of being delinquent, the Genesee County, Michigan, Treasurer Department no longer lists the Lewis residence as being delinquent. The Grand Blanc Township website still lists the taxes as unpaid, but that is because that website has not received the updated information from the county. When it does, it will list the exact date the bill was paid.

  18. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 27, 2013 7:20 am

    Thanks for the update, Amthrax.
    You knew they had to pay that sucker even if Orrin paid it himself. No way Orrin can let the Spanish Mansion go. There is too much Team history there. It’s become a symbol of what’s possible…..and one of the many Team coveted idols.

  19. I QUIT (and glad I did) permalink
    August 27, 2013 7:24 am

    I’m sure the tax issue was all just a big misunderstanding.

  20. August 27, 2013 7:27 am

    If it was a big misunderstanding, they should have us to thank, right? We saved the home from impending foreclosure!

  21. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 27, 2013 7:40 am

    I was thinking about this the other day. Bill is buying this on land contract, so we know there’s no escrow being paid into.

    The Lewis’ are being billed a large tax bill…..probably winter and summer. Obviously, Bill does not have the financial smarts to save every month preparing for the bill he knows is coming. We know it can’t be that he’s over extended or that the business isn’t making money….they say it is.

    I really feel that Bill and Jackie could benefit from the Financial Fitness pack. I’m sure their mentors did a CD in there that talks about saving. They should rotate through that pack a few times together and schedule some time with their mentors until they get their financial thinking straight.

    Although I never had a HUGE team, I think that I have that basic Team principle down. For all the big ex-Team leaders, how’s my thinking….and do you have any other recommendations for the Lewis’? You know me….I’m here to help if I can😉

  22. The Truth Hurts permalink
    August 27, 2013 7:58 am

    Wow!

    I think this is great, the taxes are paid! Yippee! This leads me to believe that this site has done a marvelous service for all concerned!

    I am also thinking that just maybe certain people read the Amthrax Site, even though they have advised membership not to do so.

    In any event, if you talk the talk Guys, then you need to walk the walk, too.

  23. Freedomhaha permalink
    August 27, 2013 5:39 pm

    TEAM LIFEers should know that even if they don’t trust what they read on here we know that their PC does🙂

  24. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 29, 2013 9:36 pm

    Mr. Lewis had this to say to all you haters. This was posted to Twitter a couple hours ago.

    @wplent5: A Recent Lesson on Credibility http://t.co/j0jWG1HmqV #leadership

  25. ageofwisdom51 permalink
    August 30, 2013 7:35 am

    Bwhahahahahahha! I’m sorry, but I read the whole thing from the link Rascal posted and I think it’s rather humorous. I don’t know about anyone else, since I’m just a “JOB loser that pisses the pants (to put it in D. Hawkin’s terms) but my taxes have always been paid on time and to, um, the right address, nor did I just throw the bill in a drawer and say adios. I mean, c’mon here, BL has to expect some repercussions being enveloped in such a hypocritical “cult of supposed, to be emulated and coached success.” Otherwise, no one would ever have given a rip if he paid them or not. He was missing the point here. If your so-called “leadership skills” include trying to frantically find some poor slob at the right address willing to take your now-$28,000 worth of back and current taxes, um, how good can ya be at buildin’ the biz?. No one cares that BL “made a mistake”…..people care and bring it up to point out the ongoing, overall hypocrisy. Ummmm, maybe one ought to miss a few of the revenue-generating hallelujiah-pass-the-plate meetings, stay home and pay their bills on time? Maybe missing a “fired up!” ridiculous “ensnare the masses with Kevin Trudeau-type of BS” ain’t so bad after all?

  26. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 30, 2013 7:44 am

    I want to take a moment to answer Bill’s blog post, because it kind of irks me. Bill, you are obviously reading this thread, and I know you would never allow this to be posted to your blog as a comment. I want you to take this seriously, because you’re missing a very important aspect to leadership. You are missing the point that all leaders should welcome scrutiny, and it sounded like you were whining about it.

    First of all, you know who this group is and why there are “haters.” Most of these people were either in business with you directly, or in business with Orrin Woodward. You know what has transpired over the past 6 years, and why we feel wronged. You are not naive, and neither am I. So let’s drop the, “I don’t have any idea why some people hate” line. It might work in a court of law….Bill Clinton proved that….but it doesn’t fly here, and it’s not really what I want to comment on. I just felt I should address it.

    Charles Barkley once said, “I am not a role model.”

    That’s utter hogwash, buddy. Anyone….ANYONE….who elevates themselves to a level such as Charles Barkley or you, Bill, and has followers who trust them is always subject to scrutiny. Followers should always have the right to scrutinize their leaders, and their leaders have a responsibility to walk the walk and accept the scrutiny…..or just stop talking the talk. That is the basic principle that has made this country great. It is the principle upon which we were founded. In a democracy, we have the right to scrutinize our leaders. In a communist system, we would not. This isn’t Russia! I feel very strongly that this falls under the “Freedom F,” Bill. It has been a principle taught in Orrin’s business since before you became a part of it, and I heard it consistently for 5 1/2 years…long before there were ever 7 F’s.

    Of course people are allowed to make a mistake, and forgetting to pay one’s taxes is one of those forgivable mistakes. But seriously, Bill…..forgot? Those tax bills they send with the due dates just kind of slipped by? Because the new bill was coming out with a new figure?

    The solution is really so simple to prevent this in the future, you don’t get a pass on this one this time. Buy a Team Planner. Call it, “Bill’s bills.” Keep it private and put the due dates of all your bills in there. Then when you start your day and check your business planner, you can just take a glance at the bill planner. That way you’ll never, “miss the first date that causes you to miss the second one, as you didn’t have the correct figure.” Or….just use a smart phone like the rest of your team and you’ll have it with you all the time. These are solutions I learned with my time in Team via the Team financial tools and live talks.

    Bill, as long as you talk the talk. As long as Orrin Woodward elevates you to a position of being a “guru of the 7 F’s.” As long as you have followers who trust you and look at you….wanting to be just like you. As long as you claim your Christian values. And as long as you ACCEPT those accolades from your leaders….and accept all of your students, you will ALWAYS be scrutinized. You should welcome the scrutiny and the trial by fire. It’s what made America great, and it’s what builds great leaders. Don’t whine…..be more responsible!

  27. August 30, 2013 8:51 am

    One correction to the original post does need to be made; if Lewis moved into the house in 2011, Orrin Woodward was the one who was late in paying the property taxes in the Summer of 2007, 2008 and 2010.

  28. Vogel permalink
    August 30, 2013 9:31 am

    I don’t believe for a second that Bill actually forgot to pay his taxes. Rather, it would appear that he didn’t pay his taxes because he couldn’t (or perhaps he simply didn’t want to) and for some unfathomable reason, he thinks it’s better to trot out the staggeringly childish “I forgot” excuse, which demonstrates gross incompetence, than to admit that he’s a poseur who’s not even responsible enough to be a property owner, let alone qualified to be a teacher of business leadership skills.

    The “I forgot” excuse is akin to using “the dog ate my homework” as an excuse. It might work for children and those in menial positions but not for responsible adults or anyone in a position of authority. Government tax collection agencies have no tolerance whatsoever for simpletons who use such lame excuses. Nor do I.

    Bill seems unaware (or pretends to be, more accurately) that leaders who screw-up as monumentally as he did have to face consequences. Imagine that instead of a pyramid scam kingpin, Bill were a jet pilot who “forgot” to run pre-flight safety checks (although Bill’s screw-up was even more basic than that – akin to forgetting to put fuel in the plane). Or how about if a CEO were to “forget” that he’s supposed to comply with SEC regulations? When leaders fail to meet their responsibilities in scenarios like these, there are consequences – planes crash, people die, workers lose their jobs, stockholders lose their investments, etc. Imagine if Bill were a military commander who trotted out the excuse “I forgot” when his troops got slaughtered as a result of his gross negligence on the battlefield.

    Bill’s disingenuous excuse also sidesteps the fact his delinquency had serious real-world consequences, the least of which were the substantial penalties and interest he had to pay (and likely, the financial impact of having his credit rating being adversely affected due to delinquent payment). In the best case scenario, Bill is an incompetent fool who is’’t qualified to teach anyone about finances or leadership, because he’s the kind of leader that, purposely or not, sends people to their deaths in crashing airplanes; the kind whose dizzying negligence causes workers to lose their jobs and investors to be wiped out. But that’s OK, right, because Bill said he’s SORRY! I’d laugh if it wasn’t so damn sad — i.e., that he continues to get away with grinding souls down to dust in the destructive cult of LIEf.

    If Bill were an executive at my company, I would accept his excuse/apology, but only if it were accompanied by his resignation. I’d then have security escort him out of the building in shame.

  29. Melanie Morgan permalink
    August 30, 2013 10:01 am

    Rascal –

    100% agreed! That is the BEST and sincere post I’ve ever read. You nailed the truth, and they know it…. .the “excuses”, denial, ‘lack of leadership and taking rsponsibility’ these guys display is astounding. Thanks! “Real leaders” don’t whine or make excuses, they take responsibility, remember!

    Another example; of nothing but lip service….they claim their “leaders” walk their talk…are “world class” “living the life of excellence”, the greatest minds and guru mentorship program, theses guys are lifted to idol levels but when put to the test…their “results” …..well speak for themself.

  30. Former Round Table permalink
    August 30, 2013 10:42 am

    Poor Bill. Don’t you all feel sorry for him? Being attacked by us critics and haters who have nothing better to do than watch other peoples lives. He’s breaking my heart!

    Bill, I agree 100% with Rascal and Vogel. I used to like you a lot, and I had a ton of respect for you. But when the evil that is Orrin Woodward was exposed to you, you chose the side of evil. And make no mistake buddy, that is what you chose.

    You chose to slander and denigrate Pastor Dickie, a true man of God (and you well know that better than most) just to earn brown-nose points with Orrin. You chose to overlook your upline’s heinous crimes against the most vulnerable, just to earn brown-nose points with Orrin. (On that note, how many times will you leave your daughter …) You chose to either ignore or SPIN the bankruptcies, foreclosures, and other character issues of those at the top, yet you hold everyone else to an impossible standard.

    You chose to believe and perpetrate outright lies against those of us who do not think that money is more important than truth. You and your friends are the first to point out the failings of those outside your inner circle, but not a one of you will ever admit when you are wrong. And when you are found out as the fraud that you are, you go in to SPIN mode, make excuses, and cry about critics and haters who have nothing better to do than pick on you.

    Yes we are critics. Yes we are haters. We hate liars, we hate fraud, we hate the stink-pile that you call a business, because we know what it truly is. And deep down, my friend, you do too.

  31. amused permalink
    August 30, 2013 12:09 pm

    Slightly off topic, but wondering why is it that Team/Life supporters can call non-teamers things like ‘haters’ and ‘critics’ and put down anyone outside of the Team way of life. Yet they themselves are being ‘haters’ and ‘critics’ in their own way. It’s ok for them to criticize, belittle, insult, etc etc.
    I’ve noticed a lot of double standards when it comes to Team/Life’s behavior.

    I also love when a Teambot comes on here and tries to tell you that anyone can post anything therefore your anti-Team info is meaningless. Wouldn’t that also apply to their own pro-Team comments as well, by their own reasoning? They never seem to notice that.

  32. Isaac permalink
    August 30, 2013 12:52 pm

    I find it interesting that Orrin commented on Bill’s blog entry. @Rascal Teamster pointed out on 8/25 that no PC were commenting on his blog. Even though they don’t like “haters” they seem to be paying lot of attention to what’s said here. Bill pays his taxes and Orrin comments on Bill’s blog to try and give credibility.

  33. Rascal Teamster permalink
    August 30, 2013 1:58 pm

    As a systems guy, I expected so much more from Orrin.

    Something like, “Bill, you’ve been alive for almost 40 years and the best system you have been able to come up with for managing your bills is to throw them in a drawer and forget about them?”

    I’m reading the rest of the replies and I shudder to think two years ago, I’d have been one of them. What sheep! They don’t even question it. Man, I wish my customers were like that.

  34. Vogel permalink
    August 30, 2013 3:24 pm

    I agree that the comments on Bill’s blog from Orrin and the other scammers are absurd. They are giving Bill pats on the back for paying his taxes 2 years late and using “I forgot” as an excuse. The quagmire that Bill got himself into, through his own negligence, does not warrant praise. He’s supposed to be a man, not a 4-year old, right? Orrin and his partners in crime are doing the equivalent of giving Bill a fuzzy blanket, a sippy cup full of juice, and a pat on the head.

    They are posturing as if Bill had actually accomplished something positive when the truth is that he screwed up royally. It never seems to matter how badly these self-serving clowns mess up; it’s always cause for a self-congratulatory circle jerk.

    Let’s not forget the real reason why they do all of this circle jerking. You can be sure that they are not as happy about Bill’s conduct as they pretend to be. In secret, Orrin and the gang no doubt smack their heads in frustration every time a kingpin screws-up, and
    the news about a bankruptcy, foreclosure, or some other embarrassing scandal gets exposed here, since it affects the bottom line. Orrin nonetheless showers a screw-up like Bill with praise because Orrin knows the importance of presenting a unified front and never admitting wrongdoing under any circumstances, no matter how blatant the transgression. As an example of leadership, that couldn’t be much worse.

    I definitely don’t buy the “I forgot” excuse either. That kind of lame excuse could only fly with deluded unquestioning LIEfers; not anyone with commonsense. My guess is that the decision to pay the tax bill was made only after the delinquency become a public embarrassment for Bill, Orrin, and LIEf. The interesting question is where did Bill scrape up the money? Did Orrin and/or the PC give Bill a loan to prevent further embarrassment? Was there something crooked going on when Bill took over ownership of Orrin’s property; something they’d rather we didn’t know about?

    I’m still waiting for a sincere expression of gratitude from all these LIEfers to Amthrax and his readers, without whom Bill probably would have lost his/Orrin’s property to foreclosure. Bill, since you’re pretending to be a big spender again, why don’t you show your gratitude by sending $1000 to Amthrax’s favorite charity (perhaps a cult awareness organization).

  35. Raquel Peters permalink
    August 31, 2013 6:53 am

    Amthrax- Did you say
    ORRIN didn’t pay HIS taxes on the spanish mansion Bill bought from him on land contract?

    I am also curious, who holds the loans on the Hawkins, Brady’s, Mark’s, Hubers’ and Birtles’ homes?
    I thought the last two foreclosed these past two years….. They can’t just go buy another home through a bank.

    Perhaps they ALL owe Orrin??

  36. August 31, 2013 10:17 am

    The Summer 2007, 2008, and 2010 property tax payments do appear to have been paid late by a few months. It’s certainly not as bad as 1.5 years like Bill Lewis, but it’s still not something that a responsible home owner would let slip once, let alone twice, or three times.

    I do wonder what would have happened had this post never seen the light of day. If the last few months had rolled on by, would the property have gone into foreclosure due to Lewis’ forgetful nature? As I said earlier, I don’t hear much thanks from the Lewis/TEAM/LIFE camp about this. I hear a lot of them calling us critics and haters. I guess that’s their way of saying thank you?

  37. switch permalink
    August 31, 2013 12:01 pm

    “he forgot”…..LMAO

    No way in HELL that I buy that either….and just “threw the bill in a drawer”????? What the hell is that?!!! Maybe he thinks he’s above the law?

    Also, I’d be willing to bet that if a Lifer walks into a bank for a loan, the “business” isn’t credible enough to qualify for any loan for a home, so my bet is, it’s the almighty one fronting the cash to front the “fancy show” on the homes.

    oh wait, that’s no one’s business but the PC’s….my bad.

  38. Vogel permalink
    August 31, 2013 12:55 pm

    Exactly Switch. It would have been forgivable had he simply said that he had spread himself too thin financially, couldn’t afford to pay all his bills on time, and had to let his taxes slide. It happens right? But what kind of blockhead — a grown adult mind you — would allow his home to almost get foreclosed on due to delinquent payments for 2 years because they were too lazy/absent-minded to remember that they had thrown the bills into a drawer. Homeowners are expected to be smart enough to not lose important bills (like tax bills) in drawers, because the consequences of failing in that regard (i.e., tax evasion) can be homelessness or even jail; not to mention that Bill also racked up unnecessary and expensive late fees, fines, and penalties.

    Don’t buy his song and dance act for one second. He didn’t simply forget; that was obviously BS — rest assured that the story goes a lot deeper.

  39. Vogel permalink
    August 31, 2013 1:52 pm

    According to Trulia.com and Genesee County public records, Orrin purchased the Grand Blanc property in 2001 (mortgage was held by ABM-AMRO); Trulia lists the sale price at $1.075 million. Genesee County records show that Woodward then sold the property to Lewis In December 2010, allegedly for $1.1.million according to Amthrax (NB: please confirm source).
    http://www.trulia.com/homes/Michigan/Grand_Blanc/sold/20257073-9264-Warwick-Woods-Ct-Grand-Blanc-MI-48439
    http://www.co.genesee.mi.us/rod/SimpleQuery.asp?SUBMIT=Detail+Data&FirstName=l&LastName=wo&Names=WOODWARD%7CLAURIE+A&SortDir=DESC

    The current listed value of the home ranges from a low of $476,478 to a high of $887,274 with average estimates in the range of $560,562 to $845,274. Zillow.com lists it at $586,913 and Remax lists it at $726,200 (Remax.com).
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/9264-Warwick-Woods-Ct_Grand-Blanc_MI_48439_M32510-95052?row=2
    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/9264-Warwick-Woods-Ct-Grand-Blanc-MI-48439/94763782_zpid/
    http://www.remax.com/realestatehomesforsale/9264-warwick-woods-ct-no-11-grand-blanc-mi-48439-gid600019193290.html

    Regardless of which property price estimate is considered, it appears that Lewis purchased the house for at least a couple of hundred thousand dollars (at least 25%) more than it’s worth. Why? Something smells fishy.

  40. Melanie Morgan permalink
    August 31, 2013 8:20 pm

    Amused~

    Simple answer, Hypocrites.

    Vogel~

    “Bill, since you’re pretending to be a big spender again, why don’t you show your gratitude by sending $1000 to Amthrax’s favorite charity (perhaps a cult awareness organization).”

    LOVE it! Maybe he can “stroke a check” for that too? The arrogance is nauseating. Funny Rocket posted on there and he then attacked his comments. Rocket asked a question and Bill didn’t answer it, Surprise!…just proceeded to show off his leadership was arrogant, and attacked him.

    Your BS detector and posts are always spot on! I agree Anyone with any common sense can see this whole thing is BS but man those poor brainwashed souls. Bill seemed to want to give the “critics” and “haters” or this site credit but then retract it all in one breath, must be painful to have to admit they NEED “checks and balances”… but then in the same breath with sarcasm, he tore the people down on here…. only like “the world-class leadership” can. Why bother saying it, only shows how phony and insincere they really are… Amazing, the hypocrisy.

    The “I FORGOT TO PAY MY PROPERTY TAX” (es), and then threw it in a drawer, gets sent and re-sent to wrong address, how many times does this make for “forgetting”, Bill? Really? A melancholy like you? Claude says it “sounds just like you”, how is that? You are a strong melancholy-choleric. NO one believes your BS nor can you justify your bad behavior as good, no matter how many brainwashed silly comments you can direct to your site, not even the sad cases of brainwashed worshippers believe it…they won’t admit it that’s if they could “THINK” on their own or be honest with themselves….but they know telling that truth would be “negative”… they just know better not to call you on it. SAD and disturbing they praise you, make excuses for your poor example…certainly not good leadership.

    Bill states;” The sad part about this case is some of them are people I use to call friends and as far as I know I never personally did anything to them except be nice and edify them.”

    Not sure who he is talking about that he would “call friends” because he never mentions who they are, and how would he know they are anonymous? Unless, of course he is referring to me but I doubt it, guess we’ll never know. Interesting or not he cannot even mention on his blog the word “Amthrax,”. he calls it “the group”. Is he worried one of the worshippers/followers would go to the site and then BAM open their eyes, he knows better not to “promote” the site people would see the truth.. and/or worried that it might rank the site up?

    Bill, You had our respect but blew it along time ago, with all the rest of your conspirators. We once thought you were a great guy and did respect you and we also would “be nice and edify”…. all the people, including you.. UNTIL well, YOU KNOW. The “list” would take too long to write out and I am not a good list maker like you!

    Also, it is a cardinal rule to “be nice (fake it) and edify”. So how do you know who really is being honest and sincere? So don’t act like you don’t know or understand why people on here have no respect for you, you and the rest have earned your disrespect…. that includes the rest of the PC and a few other puppets. So you can stop pretending, you don’t know what you and the rest “personally” did.

    I am not as good as Bill at being a melancholy,( btw his “bullet/list” of EXCUSES of why he didn’t pay his taxes.. was NOT anywhere near believable … I could make a “list” of ALL the things of why I now have zero respect for any of them including Bill, that I am sure Bill would then clearly see “what he personally did” either by participating or/and condoning , you could also ( insert Former Round Tables comments here).

    HIS.. ‘whole story’ I believe is BS, Here’s why, I don’t believe for a nanosecond Bill “forgot” and quite frankly see him as being totally dishonest. He is a STRONG Melancholy.

    SO Most people but certainly not Melancholies…they DO NOT FORGET to pay their taxes for a year and a half, Bill, stop crying HUMAN……Too much “time” on your hands playing basketball and not focusing on the ‘right things’?, Perhaps you could use your “freedom” and slot some time to focus and help improve your memory?

    I agree with Vogel, and if they would be honest, humble, sincere, ( come up with a believable story, lol), then it would be easily forgivable. But the arrogance, excuses, and spinning only get them more of what they are trying to avoid.

  41. Melanie Morgan permalink
    August 31, 2013 9:06 pm

    Oh and Bill, after the “stop crying HUMAN”….insert Rascal’s comments.

  42. Vogel permalink
    September 1, 2013 8:08 am

    I was just going over Bill’s groan-inducing essay “A Recent Lesson on Credibility” once more and I caught him lying red-handed. Bill portrays the chronology of events as follows:

    “Moved into the house at the end of the 2011…Tax bills come in twice a year, so about 6 months later I received the first one…Threw it in my bill drawer because it wasn’t due yet.”

    The problem with that explanation is that he purchased the property from Orrin (for $1.1 million) in December of 2010 (not 2010), so regardless of when he may have moved into the property, he would be subject to taxes beginning on the date that ownership of the property was transferred over.
    https://is.bsasoftware.com/bsa.is/AssessingServices/ServiceAssessingDetails.aspx?dp=12-26-601-022&i=1&on=lewis,+william&appid=0&actSn=9264&actSna=WARWICK+WOODS+CT&unit=189

    Grand Blanc Township sends out tax collection notices twice yearly (summer and winter). The Township, conveniently for us, also lists the tax payment history online. The bill for winter 2010 was $5,048.65 and was paid on 12/29/2010 (that’s 28 days after Bill took ownership). The bill for summer 2011 was $17,580.37 and that was paid on 08/01/2011. It was the next 3-4 payments that were delinquent: winter 2011 ($4,750.36), summer 2012 ($10,988.70), winter 2012 ($4900.59), and summer 2013 ($10,404.17). As an aside, notice also that the tax bill steadily decreased along with the property value, which is now at least 25% lower than when Bill bought the property from Orrin less than 3 years ago.

    So Bill’s story clearly doesn’t add up. He was paying his property taxes beginning in late 2010, when he purchased the property from Orrin, until August 2011, and then he stopped paying from then on — until his recent catch-up payment that was made — after Bill’s delinquency (and imminent foreclosure) has been exposed on Amthrax’s site. Conclusion – Bill is a liar.

  43. September 1, 2013 9:13 am

    Vogel – There could have been a supplemental tax for the Summer 2011 bill that was based on the purchase price of the house. That might explain why it was a much higher figure. Reassessments of the property in the subsequent tax bills could explain the lower figures in the ensuing months. The Winter 2010 bill came in before Bill bought the house, so it could either have been him or Orrin who paid it?

    You’re right, however. Someone had to pay the Summer 2011 tax bill, and should have been Bill. If he was a homeowner prior to purchasing Orrin’s house, he would have been used to the responsibility of paying his property taxes on-time. To forget for nearly two years is pretty irresponsible, and it is not something to be taken as lightly as they have been demonstrating in their blog comments.

  44. September 1, 2013 9:42 am

    Vogel – I believe on one of the Genesee County websites, the purchase price (via land contract) is listed as $1,100,000. It also listed the prior sale (to Orrin and Laurie) as well as the previous owners of the house.

    You may find additional information on Bill Lewis’ real estate dealings by performing an online search on the Genesee County Register of Deeds website:

    http://www.gc4me.com/departments/register_of_deeds/online_deeds_search.php

    Do a search for Lewis, William P; there are several listing Lewis, William P (2, including Orrin’s former house) and Lewis, William P III (31 records). You can preview a portion of the records for free; getting an electronic copy costs a small fee.

    Additional things that can be found by searching the public record are a tax lien in 2009 for a property in Flint, MI on 2/25/2009. The next record shows that he paid off the tax lien on 4/29/2009. There’s also a record of a foreclosure on another Flint, MI, property around this time.

    So, this demonstrates that this isn’t Bill’s first rodeo with missing out on his property taxes. Will we see a post about this on his site?

  45. Melanie Morgan permalink
    September 1, 2013 10:54 am

    Vogel, Amthrax and others-

    Thanks for your time and energy in researching and getting the facts out there.😉

    Sadly it seems these guys can’t tell the truth to save their souls. They cry “Human” only because they get caught, and to say “everyone makes mistakes” ( distract, place blame elsewhere) but they are supposed “leaders” and make themselves open as “public figures” they and they have everyone, “edify” themselves and others as such, “following their example.”

    The “followers” comments shows so clearly the undue influence they are under, because they don’t ‘question,’ or verify, what they spin or the facts. They rather just praise for them e at their own expense and don’t realize how foolish their comments look .

    Clearly and the evidence of getting caught first before they admit, is a pattern, and standard. They never have “owned-up” to many, many, ‘wrongs’. If it weren’t for this site and others, the outside “haters & critics” or “checks and balances.” They would NEVER admit any of it.

    It is evident how easily the followers are convinced (lost their ability to think on their own) and don’t use their common sense, or think a thing through they say, just obey and “edify” at any cost, especially to their own detriment. As far as them acting as a hero and ‘that’s the way the leadership’ does is own up and “try to right their wrongs”….absurd.

    Sorry Bill there is NO “try”, ONLY “Do” remember, that is the standard you expect or your “leadership” preaching for others, right? They won’t even admit what they have done (read this site, to the readers) they already KNOW that what is on this site is true, and how they have screwed people over, treated loyal people shamefully and like enemies, ruined others and took from their businesses and all the rest of their shenanigans! but

    But NEVER have they ‘owned-up’ to any of that or “righted their wrongs” they have imposed intentionally on others, not like “real men”, much less “real” leaders. They rather cover-up, deny, distract, divert, blame everyone, justify their wrongs, lie, bully, sue, name call and be hypocrites. Guess that’s to be expected from greedy manipulative scammers, who are more worried about their “image” and losing their “followers” than being really honest!

  46. Vogel permalink
    September 1, 2013 7:47 pm

    Thanks for the extra info Amthrax. In the interim, I had confirmed through the Township’s online records that the sale price in 2010 was $1.1 mil. What I don’t understand is why Bill would pay Orrin $25K over the initial purchase price (Orrin paid $1.075 mil when he bought the property back in 2001) when the assessment value had already dropped substantially (at least 25%). The real estate crash took place in 2008, well before the transaction between Bill and Orrin. It just doesn’t add up, unless Orrin just put the squeeze on and played Bill for a sucker. Maybe he charged him a premium for his spot on the PC and saddled him with a money-losing property.

  47. Memory Lame permalink
    September 1, 2013 9:24 pm

    Vogel, I think you’re dead on in your assessment. Kudos to you and Amthrax for calling it like it is. Even with facts aside, Bill sounds like an incredibly entitled brat – like a 95%er in his response. No one OWES him the benefit of the doubt.

    Add the facts that you guys have brought to light and this is just another of many dishonest circumstances that these guys are trying desperately to explain away, not only to the public but even to one another.

  48. September 2, 2013 7:57 am

    A new post has been published which reveals more instances when Lewis forgot to pay his property taxes. This information is contained in the public record at the Genessee County Register of Deeds:

    https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/he-forgot-again-and-again-and-again-more-on-bill-lewis-property-tax-woes/

  49. September 2, 2013 8:13 am

    @Vogel – Do a search on the Register of Deeds website on Orrin. It shows the purchase price of the home back in 2001, and a note from the mortgage company that he paid it all off in 2004; there’s no note of a refinance, so let’s assume that he really did pay it all off.

    As we all know, the real estate market crashed in 2008. Orrin’s moving down to Florida, and he knows he can’t sell it to a legitimate third-party for $1 million to get back his investment. Enter Bill Lewis. Bill gets a nice house to show off to unsuspecting TEAM/LIFE members as his new mansion. Orrin retains his investment and effectively gets someone to keep paying him money each month.

    As we now know from this new post that Bill has forgotten to pay his property taxes several times in the past, there was a real possibility that the Spanish Mansion would have gone into foreclosure due to non-payment of property taxes next year. That would have been the worst-case scenario for both Orrin and Bill.

  50. Vogel permalink
    September 2, 2013 8:47 am

    BTW, when did Bill join the PC?

    I agree with your supposition Amthrax. I get the strong sense that there’s some kind of tax evasion or money laundering strategy at play here. I can imagine a scenario where Bill takes over Orrin’s property at an inflated above-market value price and then Orrin compensates him with some of that untraceable cash from TEAM meetings/tools. But when TEAM/Monavie died, LIEf was born, and revenue crashed (especially when the news broke about the bankruptcies/foreclosures and rigged leadership awards), Bill was left holding the bag on a horribly overpriced property in the middle of nowhere (I’m not kidding — look at Grand Blanc MI on a map) that he couldn’t afford.

    Where is the “leadership” in that scenario? Scamsmanship is more like it.

  51. Melanie Morgan permalink
    September 2, 2013 1:54 pm

    Amthrax~

    I am just wondering when this all went down, it was the “lawsuit” era with Quixtar. no doubt some shady garbage was going on.

    I am not sure of the dates or year but Orrin bailed out (bought) Chris Brady’s “dream home” and still owns it, but no doubt getting it for a steal, unlike he reciprocates to others. There was a lot of switch- a-rooing of houses going on.

    Would be very interesting to say the least to see this house switching All on a time line! Say, Brady sticking the Birtles also with an over priced house too (what I heard, sounds like the same deal) then they foreclosed, I wonder if the Brady’s KNEW that Birtles couldn’t afford it to begin with but that’s how much they care , Orrin buying Brady’s “DREAM HOME, Orrin sticking Bill with his house, Guzzardo’s strategic default, Tim Marks also got rid of his house in Michigan to someone on the team before he moved to Florida, and again I heard overpriced, what about Hubers house (forclosure?). Then you and Vogel could sort it all out, lol..🙂

    I think the “time-line” would give a clear picture of the shady practices of these guys. SOMEDAY….the emperor’s story will inevitably not come to a good end.

  52. Melanie Morgan permalink
    September 2, 2013 3:07 pm

    Vogel~

    Guzzardo’s and Lewis got recognized as PC at the same time, I believe it was 2005, but I will see if I can verify it.🙂

  53. Memory Lame permalink
    September 3, 2013 8:50 pm

    Lewis, Guzzardo, and Stroh went “Diamond” the last year TEAM was in Quixtar. In fact it was either the last major or two majors prior to the split. PC didn’t come into being until after. When we didn’t have a “business” but we were blindly still on system. So, 2007ish?

  54. TruthSeeker permalink
    September 4, 2013 5:32 am

    Say what you will, but I would have paid good money to see the look on orrin’s face, and to have been privy to their phone conversation, when orrin discovered that bill was delinquent.

    Do you think orrin knew of bill’s tax troubles prior to reading it on Amthrax? Can you imagine the shock he felt knowing that the home he was most likely financing for bill could be going into default.

    Is that something bill would have discussed, or disclosed, to his mentor-guru, or simply swept under a rug somewhere hoping it would never be found?

    I can only imagine the call, and imagining makes me giggle. If this is a dream, please don’t wake me up. This gets better and better each month.

    orrin, “Son-of-a-xxxxx Bill, what in the xxxx are you doing giving these people ammunition? bill, you march your a$$ over to the assessor’s office and get that paid now!”

    bill, “yes massah, right away massah, yes suh massah!”

    AH…LIEF ON THE PLANTATION CONTINUES FOR BILL.

    IT’S ONLY DOWNHILL FROM HERE BILL, GET OUT NOW!

  55. Melanie Morgan permalink
    September 4, 2013 2:48 pm

    Memory Lame~

    2007ish? I thought 2005`2006 yes, Diamond=PC once you hit Diamond it was PC. Thanks for the info. I am still trying to find the brochures, I know it won’t tell me what year they went Diamond but give me an idea. Somewhere on the internet in Amway archives, it should say. I tried looking in some archived files but wouldn’t pull of anything on Guzzardo or Lewis. Thanks.

  56. Melanie Morgan permalink
    September 4, 2013 2:49 pm

    Truthseeker~

    LOL…

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