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Kevin Trudeau believers are going to believe

March 19, 2014

Reuters, reporting from the sentencing of former TV informercial salesman and convicted fraudster, Kevin Trudeau, made note of a packed courtroom of Trudeau supporters. One of the Trudeau believers was Ed Foreman, 80, a motivational speaker and former congressman from Texas and New Mexico. Foreman twice attempted to make a statement supporting Trudeau, and both times the judge told him to sit down and be quiet. After the second outburst, the judge had him removed from the courtroom:

When Foreman failed to respond to the judge’s order to be quiet, he was lifted up by his arms and legs and carried out of the courtroom by federal marshals.

Read another description of the Trudeau sentencing proceedings from the Chicago Tribune.

Even in the face of overwhelming evidence, Trudeau’s believers are going to keep on believing. At some point, one has to just shake one’s head and let them continue living in their fantasy world, no? I wonder what pyramid scheme adherents think when they read articles like this. Do they ever wonder if their leaders might be hucksters too? Or do they think, “Well, that guy’s a fraud, but my leader is a paragon of virtue and honesty!”?

Check out the argument put forth by Trudeau’s attorneys to reduce jail time for Trudeau. From the Reuters’ article:

Trudeau’s attorney, Thomas Kirsch, argued the government could not punish him for the content of the book and the amount of the fraud to the individual was small because they didn’t wipe out anyone’s life savings, attorney Thomas Kirsch said on Monday.

Small fraud multiplied thousands of times can sometimes equal large fraud. It’s still fraud.

Dressed in an orange prison outfit (as opposed to a dark suit with a red tie in this previous courtroom appearance)1, Trudeau said that he’s learned a “life-changing lesson” from this. He promised the judge that should he ever make an infomercial again, he would not embellish, lie, or otherwise puff up his pitch. In ten years, we’ll have to check back and see if Trudeau truly learns from this teachable moment.


1 An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that Trudeau was wearing a suit and tie during sentencing. In fact, he was wearing an orange prison jumpsuit.

43 Comments leave one →
  1. Melanie Morgan permalink
    March 19, 2014 10:10 am

    Amthrax~

    Thank you.

    The argument of the amount of the fraud being “small” is incomprehensible! Fraud is Fraud, period! Not acceptable!!

    And that is the twisted greedy thinking of so many people, it is disturbing! Wonder why America is in the place it is?

    Amazing how almost all fraudsters justify, could care less about who they defraud or hurt as long as they don’t get caught…but AFTER they are caught.. claim they have see the light, somehow instantly change and then want everyone to support them and believe that?

    Watch American Greed, there is a pattern!

  2. Tony permalink
    March 19, 2014 10:12 am

    A leopard doesn’t change his spots. Once a snake, always a snake. “The Scorpion and the Frog” fable is an excellent example of Kevin Trudeau… he can’t help it, it’s his nature to rip people off.

  3. Melanie Morgan permalink
    March 19, 2014 10:19 am

    Tony~

    Amen to that!

    The 80 yr old needs his head examined or perhaps deprogramed?… and imagine that, a former Congressmen.

  4. Davenport permalink
    March 19, 2014 11:34 am

    Trudeau’s misleadings wasted my brother’s precious time. So did, and do President Obama’s. They are both responsible for my brother’s early death from heart attack.

  5. Darren H permalink
    March 19, 2014 11:40 am

    Why are you so happy about this? 10 years? over money? There are murderers who get way less time! Come on, this isn’t something to celebrate. And the hypocritical and stupid government (who rips off people out of 30%) isn’t a righteous judge. Judge not, and you will not be judged. 10 years over financial matters is a travesty. The Bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil. He was punished for his civil disobedience (disobeying court order about informercials), not greed. What is actually happening is people with money are now being demonized to the extreme. Has he destroyed anyone’s life because they bought his books?!!! Get a clue. If you are going to go after someone who was greedy, where does it end? In Cuba you go to jail if you are caught with a dollar without handing it over to the tyrant government. But at least no one is ripping people off, right? Where does this insanity end? It ends one day with Jesus Christ bringing down judgment upon all (2 Cor 5:10). So get yourself right. Fear the one who created you.

  6. switch permalink
    March 19, 2014 6:07 pm

    “Trudeau said that he’s learned a “life-changing lesson”…”

    hmmmm…..there it is again….a “life-changing lesson”

    ….huh, imagine that, but this time in a court of law.

  7. freedomhaha permalink
    March 20, 2014 4:57 am

    This will be a handy article to have on hand for a day when you can cut-and-paste “Ken Trudeau” with the name “Orrin Woodward!! Ah, what a beautiful day that will be.

  8. Chrisxrascal permalink
    March 22, 2014 8:59 pm

    I remember Trudeau’s infomercials..and just curious and looked at some reviews of his books. A lot of reviews saying he copied information and sold it as his own. It came to my mind isn’t that what Orrin and co do? Constantly rebranding information and selling it over and over..I think the way to get people to pay attention is to take it to the news media. After all that’s what happened to Trudeau. In my opinion I think Team maybe worse than Trudeau, but that’s just me.

  9. noteam permalink
    March 23, 2014 10:13 am

    Chrisxrascal – I agree. I think Orrin is wayyyyyyy worse than Kevin Trudeau. His TEAM/LIFE group has caused way more true damage to people than Kevin Trudeau ever did.
    I also agree that we need to get the media to do a story on the cult-like following Orrin has and how he takes advantage of these people.

  10. freedomhaha permalink
    March 23, 2014 4:33 pm

    Noteam- The people that need to hear the message the most wouldn’t see it because they are “Media Warriors” that don’t watch television.

  11. fastfruit2oo9 permalink
    April 3, 2014 2:40 pm

    The alleged ‘dedication’ to the system (and leaders…etc) is an apparent game face for the people at bronze and higher. It has appeared to me that when you hear ‘pipe line income’ – this can be seen as truth – as a very few levels reach those 97% (of losers) that are continually feeding the pipeline with INCOME to the top. Also, this ‘dedication’ I had some question as a constant theme is ‘new’ people and ‘new’ thinking… BUT I overhear a brief conversation between 2 of the wives on their cells, and the talk was sad (it was like pulling back a face and seeing behind the mask…). My point – and maybe Rachel and others can add to the reality of my summation – these higher ups CLEARLY KNOW OF THE FRAUD and have a CONSTANT PRESSURE TO APPEAR PERFORMING either in growth or at least in b-LIE-ving there is growth with their game face on full view.

  12. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:04 am

    Amthrax,

    Wasn’t sure where to put this, found this thread to be appropriate but feel free to move it if you find a more appropriate topic and thread!😉

    PEOPLE…..Don’t fall for the “Guinness Book of World Records” …the same game”…Use your common sense!

    “Who wants to be play a part in this historic quest for the Guinness Book of World Records?”~ Orrin Woodward

    What?! Hit an all time low again, imo.. LOL….

    “Next Century Publishing

    We are proud to announce our new strategic partnership with Obstacles Press, Orrin Woodward, Chris Brady & Next Century Publishing.

    We are even more proud to announce that we will be assisting Orrin Woodward, NY Times Best-Selling Author, as he attempts to Break to Guinness World Record for the Largest Book Signing on June 21st in Columbus, Ohio at the Life Leadership Major Leadership Convention!

    For information about the Guinness World Record Attempt, Next Century Publishing or Obstacles Press, contact info@NextCenturyPublishing.com.”

    Their “new strategic partnership with Obstacles Press” (owned by Chris Brady)…. No really? Yep..SEGDD=Same Ego Game Different Day!

    Sooooo predictable…and how desperate…, they NEVER cease to amaze me how they game their way and will do anything to exalt themselves! Just to keep the “believers….believing” and exalting them!

  13. Former Round Table permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:12 am

    Next Century Publishing, where anyone can PAY to have a book published.

  14. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:20 am

    Some may find this clever and think of it “as a marketing genius”> but it is typical ploy and gamed…but the “believers will believe” even though they are the pawns to make it happen because they can’t Think! They will tout this in EVERY Plan that Orrin has the “world” captured! Ha…Another illusion! They probably call it “just business.” I call it FAKE.

    Certainly it is “strategic to take the “Leadership Convention” with the thousands of “captive emotional Buyers” and turn it into a “Guinness World Record Book Signing Event” so they have something else to “brag/point” to and “use” to manipulate the suckers to get started but I find it truly despicably and desperate…no way is it “earning it”.

  15. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:38 am

    They have back slide so much (Or is it just me? Is it that I can SEE and my mind is free now?) but they have become the grade A typical disgusting POLITICIAN (that they dog) and that there isn’t a soul in the universe that who don’t TRUST!

  16. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:49 am

    Oh and for the defenders who try and come here with the line of BS…that others are “jealous”….. bahaha….don’t be delusional…..no one is “jealous”….. of a fakers supposed “success.” Not a coward either, I would say it to their face!

  17. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 20, 2014 12:19 pm

    These guys have managed to take anything that would be respected or genuine and ruin it….how desperate to exalt themselves…..the Guinness Book….Really?! So much for me believing that is genuine!

    And for the ‘gullible’….I am quite sure I am saying it to their face, ;)… just because they have bound YOU and clouded your vision with the ‘smoke & mirrors’…controlling you from reading and writing on this site (you can lose your business)….. don’t be so ignorant to think they don’t!!! Why do you think they put that in their Policies & Procedures? (remove the scales & use your head!)

    Unless of course you believe I’m not really “Melanie Morgan” but then maybe I’m not😉 (ask them who I am, then let me know all the “nice” things they say behind my back….LOL….hypocrites)…

    Maybe I am hiding behind the name “Melanie Morgan” and not really Melanie Morgan?….but then you might be confused, who knows that would be a tactic they would use because perhaps they are the cowards?! I have not seen them come on with their real name…perhaps I missed it? 🙂

  18. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 20, 2014 3:55 pm

    Maybe Vogel will do some research on this Book Signing..the Guinness World Record and the “Next Century Publishing Company?”…. 🙂

  19. freedomhaha permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:04 am

    I wonder if this should be a new topic so that people search the “World Record” will be directed here possibly. The more people that see this the more lives that will be saved.

  20. TruthSeeker permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:30 pm

    LOL (and I mean seriously)

  21. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:33 am

    The Next Century Publishing Company looks pretty sketchy to me. Hoping Vogel helps with his amazing talent and hears my heals clicking… hahaha! Thank You in advance!🙂

    Some may also wonder how they pulled “INC. Top 50 leadership & management”….”experts” ranking off…but for those who know the history and the M.O. not much ‘wondering’ to it. 🙂

    http://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/the-top-50-leadership-and-management-experts-mon.html

  22. Vogel permalink
    May 23, 2014 3:18 am

    Hi Melanie. My hands are full for the next week or so, but I will look into this soon as I can. Just wanted to let you know I’m listening.🙂

  23. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:53 am

    Always know we can count on you! Looking forward to your research! Thanks a bunch Vogel!!!🙂

    Couple things I did noticed…. Ken Dunn, who low and behold is the CEO of Next Century Publishing Co. (who has now “partnered” with (Chris Brady- Executive Publisher of Obstacles Press) and is “helping” Orrin with this “Guinness World Record- Book signing.”

    .Ken Dunn also appears to be a part of LIEf,…. surprise…and too has authored a book (hmmm…. that highly likely…has been pushed down on BOM).

    Just a few observations…I could be wrong but doubtful.. pretty much sumed it for me….

  24. switch permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:28 pm

    LOL….this is getting better and better by the day.

  25. switch permalink
    May 26, 2014 3:35 pm

    here’s what I noticed under Dunn’s bio on his website…

    http://www.nextcenturypublishing.com/company.php
    \

    “Throughout the 90s, Ken developed skills in business management and leadership through education at Seneca College, Algonquin College, and the Canadian Police College, while serving as a police detective.”

    but on his LinkedIn page(below), he lists his high school education as his only education….?

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ken-dunn/15/960/4a8

    From the looks of it, he jumped around from one MLM company to the other…and in the beginning has experience with “industrial fraud and theft investigations” as a police detective…? And is now partnered up with Brady?????

    What a perfect fit.

  26. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:18 pm

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/05/prweb11817071.htm

    “Industry Giant Ken Dunn Leaves Ocean Avenue & Network Marketing”

    “Network Marketing Industry giant, Ken Dunn, has decided to leave Ocean Avenue to fully pursue his publishing company, Next Century Publishing. Last week Readers Legacy PR caught up with him about the situations surrounding this move, and future developments to come.

    Ken is currently in his 12th year in the network marketing industry and has earned millions of dollars in income. His experience has taken him into dozens of countries, and friendships now span the globe. Along the way Ken has written 4 books that have been sold in more than a dozen countries. In the spring of 2012, Ken partnered with Fred Ninow & Tuffy Baum to start Ocean Avenue.”
    :/

  27. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:23 pm

    “Ocean Avenue accomplished what few companies ever do in an initial year that surpassed 14 million in revenue. At the same time as Ocean Avenue was experiencing this mass growth, Ken was splitting his time with an even bigger passion than Network Marketing: Writing and Publishing. Ken is the CEO & Founder of a hybrid publishing company called Next Century Publishing”

    “The idea of walking away from MLM and OA is the toughest decision that I have ever had to make. My decision had little to do with the competitor’s attack, but rather a dream that I have been carrying for years. Everyone that knows me, knows that I love books. I have read over 800 books in the past decade. If I didn’t move to focus on NCP, I would regret it for the rest of my life.”-Ken Dunn

    Just walks away…ummm….ok…no.

  28. noteam permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:06 am

    What was the “competitor’s attack” that Ken refers to in the above quote? I’m definitely interested in more research on this guy. I have a feeling he’s just as dirty and unethical as Orrin Woodward and the whole TEAM/L.I.F.E. bunch.

  29. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:08 am

    noteam~

    I am with you…that quote is comical and obvious….why some are running away from the industry, they think people are stupid. I believe the heat is on in many ways things are catching up… investigations… FTC, FBI, SEC, and all the State Attorney Generals along with the truth out there etc..It is becoming blatantly clear the dirty little secrets of the industry are beyond being kept hidden & secret anymore.

    I am really looking forward to Vogel’s research and thoughts for the readers. Just reading the articles and information I have plus what we already know from experience, hindsight..and the so called ethics and “Christians” they claim they are… tied to their M.O….is enough for me to see that the more they say they are changing & ‘revolutionizing’ ( the wealth transferring bottom to top industry/no real customers industry for the majority) into something the world has never seen is nothing more but of the same old stuff….misleading puffery, idolizing, deception and for me it is more of the same old!

    Although some it seems they are jumping ship rather than staying and rearranging the deck chairs knowing that won’t work forever…they must be getting the drift and think they are fooling others with their stealth (LOL) way out?

    It doesn’t take a genius now to figure out the secret “real” money is in speaking along with they want to own the Media and the chunk of change the publishing companies get & ….cramming all those “books” down through thousands of people who THINK and have been brought in on the false premise of becoming a millionaire, owning their own business,that provides pipeline residual income.. living the life they always wanted…bs.. is flat out false, misleading and deceives almost all or the majority of the participants.

    Is there anywhere in the industry including Orrin & Co. who disclose what the real deal is for the “author” who is at the TOP controlling the information that goes thru the masses?.. double dipper? Along with the interesting “publisher/author who is writing those books..?! I have never seen any disclosure, ever anywhere..

    What is that author’s xtra cut if any?.. after they cram thousands down to a captive unquestioning, unsuspecting, thoughtless tens of thousands of “followers?”

    They have a clever propaganda machine that copied from Amway decades ago…figured out it was a pretty good gig for the Top 4 or 5 people..it is called the “system”…the “autoship pipeline” with a bunch of people who pay and will never make it, just go broke believing the lies.. that EVERYONE who “follows” their “proven system” and never question the TOP they WILL then live the life they always wanted and the life of their “dreams.”

    I learned a lot when I watched the history on Wars and how Hitler got his way to his position and his twisted evil agenda and propaganda machine and the power he had because of it. I have to say it was pretty alarming and helped me see how it worked for him. But then I don’t think there are many ignorant to political and those wealthy who own or control the current media. Orrin & Co. bash it constantly but they want to own it!

    It has taken a lot of reflection and insight to Now I know that the MLM industry wants people to believe their propaganda and leaders are NOT like the evil media and is nothing but benevolent on their part but is really no different is it? (From my view it clearly is filled with deception & lies).

    People who aren’t blind now can see through their BS, have learned a few things and can see how their agenda is. Seduction of people in the industry, Churches, Pastors, Publishing Co, writing “their” books, gaming etc…..”just (unethical) business.”

    I find it pretty obvious some are thinking they are stealth-ing their way out of the industry but are really shifting to the speaking, writing, and owning of it all!!…Some can see the writing on the wall.. it’s the followers that are blind.

  30. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:41 am

    This is a ittle off but just remembered…Casey Comden always said ask yourself: “When your leeeder does something, always ask; WHY do they do that?”

    Those followers should ask verbally continuously…..WHY, How does the Profit sharing really work? How do we “own” or what do we “own” and control in “our business?” Does these “authors” get a special deal and cut? How is it a “level playing field” when the LOS gets shifted by someone else (PC or the favorites discretion?…… Followers just a clue…don’t EVER settle for “trust me”…have them show you facts in writing!

    The reality and big part of problem…they never clearly stated what (everyone knew they meant) in writing, recordings or public…. Anyone ever wonder why the Tuesday night open
    “Plan” was NEVER recorded or put on DVD?

    They were always hiding behind those messages… at least so they would never be held responsible.

    So my point the TOP never informs the followers what they are REALLY up to, they have always used the ‘elite’ informed only….and then let the whisper campaign work to avoid being held responsible for ‘herding those cats’ …its always been their method and nothing more than their way to CTA…sick how they then blame the “cats”… simply cowards, imo.

  31. Brent Hansen permalink
    May 28, 2014 9:37 pm

    Melanie wrote, “Those followers should ask verbally continuously…..WHY, How does the Profit sharing really work? How do we “own” or what do we “own” and control in “our business?” Does these “authors” get a special deal and cut? How is it a “level playing field” when the LOS gets shifted by someone else (PC or the favorites discretion?…… Followers just a clue…don’t EVER settle for “trust me”…have them show you facts in writing!”

    That is spot on Melanie, who really starts any “business” or job for that matter and doesn’t know how they get paid, and how much? Asking pertinent questions before engaging is frowned upon by the industry because they A. either don’t know that information or computations, or B. know that information but don’t want to tell the truth.

    If I told you there was a 95+% chance you would never earn a dime, would you still join?

  32. Brent Hansen permalink
    May 28, 2014 9:38 pm

    I hate to direct you to Troy Dooly’s site, but here is the information in reference to what Ken Dunn spoke of in the quote above. This is entertaining, I have to tell you.

    http://mlmhelpdesk.com/breaking-mlm-news-visalus-hit-with-rico-alligations-how-will-this-affect-byth-stock-or-cvsl-bid-to-buy-blyth/#.U4bG4vldV8E

  33. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 30, 2014 6:54 am

    Brent~

    The disgust I feel is beyond any words and so much of what is going on only confirms what every “critic” has been saying for years! Interesting that the BLAME gets put anywhere but where the root cause is!

    I hope EVERY reader on here follows, catches up, and continues to unite, including every newspaper and blogger out there because after they read the recent threats here :http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/ should convict even more people to unite!

    Here is a blog who just wrote about it also!:http://www.boomerandecho.com/weekend-reading-crazy-mlm-scams-edition/

    Every Media outlet, (I hope Bill Ackjman reads it too!!!)..Troy Dooly, the DSA and the ENTIRE industry should be reporting on these threats, (if they were really who they say they are!)… just as the article you linked to Brent shows, they can’t hide their own wickedness…..

    The most appalling and despicable is almost all of the TOP “leaders in these companies claim they are “Christian” and your link proves to me who they really are when it comes to their money being threatened. If they were who they have always claimed to be…the only ones to bring back America and are the epitome of… “integrity, transparent, honest, Christian world leaders, then it would be evident.

    Instead we see the results of their own Lawsuits and allegations against each other, along with threats….really now?

    Why do they worry about the “critic?” They don’t need to BLAME the critic…they are doing a FINE Job themselves!!!This quote applied to the MLM industry couldn’t fit better!
    :
    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”~ Abraham Lincoln

  34. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 30, 2014 6:57 am

    Bill Ackman..sorry typing error. Everyone Please, Go read up and follow on the recent events with Lazy Man!

  35. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 30, 2014 8:26 am

    http://directsellingnews.com/index.php/view/news_in_brief_may_2014#.U4ilertOX4g

    Found this interesting from Direct Selling News; a write up on how great some of these companies and the support and what they their charities, honors, most ethical companies are being awarded etc.. I know they all claim to have their “Charities” and are do gooders.

    Very interesting it is reported that. Avon’s~ “NO MORE” to end domestic violence and sexual assault. I believe that IS a great thing, but it seems the money and all these outside/inside the industry big money making “seminars” should and could focus on using all those big dollars to clean the industry up and not by paying a reputation manager….which doesn’t work, but they will happily take their $$ Ha! What an ineffictive waste of $$, and everyone knows it, but keep doing what ur doing… to pay someone to say something “good” doesn’t change anything, honestly makes it worse!

    To me some of these companies and owners are doing more damage than any critic could or would ever do to the industry that almost every single one claims benevolence, awesomeness, Christian-ness, world changers, greatest people who ever walked the earth blah, blah…hype…

    Perhaps if they spent more time, effort and money on their REAL core issues and donating to those getting threated, preventing and doing something about their well know and very serious inside issues it be better than any reputation, PR game…they could buy..

    Here is an idea….. Why not the DSA help Lazy Man and others like him?!!!! (hold others to the integrity they claim…How about …serve & protect?……start a charity from all their endorsed MLM companies that are so great, and instead use all those big lobbing $$$ for some real dhange and charity…. dig into these companies,and protect the good ones?!

    Create charities from all the billions in the industry, to help the victims of threats, gagging, slapp suits, etc and prove the industry is who they say they are then also prevent and provide $$ support to find out who is behind these unethical, unlawful activities and criminal threats? Why not?

  36. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 30, 2014 8:31 am

    In other words WHY NOT the DSA work with the critics, if they want to really meant for great change? Just a thinking out of the Box or would that be a delusional thought?….LOL

  37. Vogel permalink
    May 30, 2014 5:07 pm

    Nice sentiment but it will never happen. The DSA provides PR cover/whitewash for MLMs but its raison d’etre is to lobby against government regulation of the MLM industry. The DSAs board is made up of MLM company executives — i.e., the DSA and its member companies are essentially the same beast. The companies represented by the DSA view critics like Lazy Man as the enemy. If anything, the DSA would be far more likely to facilitate SLAPP than to provide legal defense funds to protect bloggers who criticize MLMs.

    The DSAs code of ethics is a joke. Window dressing. Few companies if any abide by it and it is not enforced.
    http://www.dsa.org/code-of-ethics/overview

    To get an idea of how tone deaf the DSA is to protecting the interests of consumers, notice that they are preoccupied with trivialities like preventing cross-lining/distributor raiding, which MLM companies do regularly and with impunity (because they are in competition with one another for a scarce resource — i.e., ‘suckers’).
    http://www.dsa.org/key-issues/proselyting

  38. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 30, 2014 7:07 pm

    Vogel~

    Sadly, I know you are right! I believe everyone would agree (even they have to know) their “code of ethics” are a joke. They are about as worthless, ineffective and useless as most of the compliance departments, rules, policies & procedures, customer rules, etc. I have seen some claim they follow! Just a farce!

    Disgust me to no end to see how many claim they are “Christian” and how so many dirty tactics are played. The most foul and dirty games, so many just pretend they are for changing the industry and know damn well….the only changes are to keep them getting away with their same old stuff.

    Not even close to practicing what they preach! Rather than man up and do the right thing, we see these more and more bullying, threats, lawsuits etc. to me they all are following and condoning.

    And the lawsuits are their M.O., everyone knows it is to drain people financially, whitewash, gag and silence anyone sharing the facts, personal experiences and sharing the truth. Unfortunately, they use these dirty tactics. shameful and disturbing.

    It’s like reading a Ted Dekker Novel… “good vs evil”….only it’s non-fiction!

  39. Melanie Morgan permalink
    May 30, 2014 7:11 pm

    Thanks for all your support and the links!🙂

  40. Vogel permalink
    May 31, 2014 8:39 pm

    Always a pleasure Melanie.🙂

    It really is a battle of good versus evil. That’s “my why”.🙂

  41. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 1, 2014 4:55 pm

    One of my favorites:

    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

    ― Mahatma Gandhi

    Vogel, Keep up the good fight! Always need your support and your contributions along with others means more than you will ever know!

  42. freedomhaha permalink
    June 2, 2014 5:51 pm

    Vogel-
    “It really is a battle of good versus evil. That’s “my why”.🙂 “.

    Thank you for your work! It helped save me from futher ruin, and I know that it has helped save countless others.

    I don’t want to see someones relationships and finances ruined by “friends”. That’s “my why”

  43. Vogel permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:03 am

    Aw, you guys are too kind. My thanks go out to heroes like Amthrax and Lazyman for providing venues like this — and to all those contributors who have poured their hearts out to help others. A ray of sunshine.

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