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SEC Describes TelexFree as Having a “Disturbingly Cult-Like Quality”

June 4, 2014

BehindMLM has been closely covering the TelexFree shutdown by the SEC. He has a good quote from the government agency regarding TelexFree’s cult-like quality in a recent court filing:

Like many “multi-level marketing” companies, TelexFree has a disturbingly cult-like quality. Egged on by the company itself, promoters spoke of “reaching their dreams” and being “100% TelexFree.”

TelexFree’s promoter extravaganzas – in the United States, Brazil and Spain, among other places – were recorded and posted on YouTube. These events had a “boisterous . . . rock concert atmosphere,” at which crowds of promoters cheered James Merrill when he took the stage. Merrill would have the crowd “do the wave.”

As the “American face” of TelexFree, crowds of foreign promoters lined up to have their pictures taken with Merrill; his wife conceded that he was “treated like a minor celebrity.”

James Merrill is the co-founder of TelexFree. He’s currently in detention in the US, while his business partner, Wanzeler, has fled the country for his native Brazil.

If you’re reading this and are currently in an MLM, does any of this sound familiar? Do you feel like saying, “That might be the case with that company, but that’s not happening with mine?” Do you feel like defending your company with your last breath?

Ask yourself the question, “Why do I believe what I’m saying?”

As had been stated numerous times on this blog and others, the majority of MLM participants do not make much money each month after factoring in their expenses. Yet, they continue to attend seminars, prospect others, and purchase products — often just for self-consumption — month after month in the vain attempt to be one of the select few who make it big. At the same time, they persist in defending and deifying their leaders as paragons of virtue and business acumen.

Perhaps it’s because they’ve bought hook, line, and sinker, into the oft-quoted MLM phrase that “if the dream is big enough, the facts don’t matter.”

Unfortunately for TelexFree promoters, the facts are looming larger and larger, and it’s not looking good for the alleged pyramid and ponzi scheme. For Merrill, his “100% TelexFree” dream may be turning into a nightmare with the threat of a lengthy prison term.

My advice to MLM participants is to keep your dreams, but don’t ignore the facts. Your dreams can be independent of the business opportunity you’re currently enrolled in; despite what your leaders might say, they do not go hand in hand.

57 Comments leave one →
  1. Isaac permalink
    June 5, 2014 4:31 am

    It’s eerily coincidental that Orrin Woodward is attempting to break a Guinness World Record for Largest Book Signing at the LIFE convention in Columbus on June 21st. Talk about “cult-like” following – people are paying money to attend the convention AND spending money to buy Orrin’s book. Who benefits the most? Orrin himself – he makes himself the star of the weekend. And LIFE’ers will flock to this event because they think it’s going to help their business. No, it mostly helps Orrin. To beat the Guinness World Record, Orrin needs to sign 4,650 books. In other words, this gimmick helps Orrin sell LOTS of books whether he beats the record or not.

    http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Orrin+Woodward+Planning+GUINNESS+WORLD+RECORDS®+Record+Attempt/9552908.html

    If anyone from LIFE is reading this, please ask yourself the question, “Why is Orrin trying to set a world record for a book signing?” Answer: Because outside of LIFE and this gimmick book signing, the book probably wouldn’t sell based on its own merit. LIFE’ers, please don’t follow Orrin and LIFE blindly, challenge why things are being done and you’ll see that on it’s own LIFE is not a viable business.

    Final question for LIEF’ers: Why does LIFE leadership need to keep writing books, producing CD’s, and putting on events rather than providing high-quality leadership material from other leaderships experts? Answer: On the self-produced and self-published materials they are making more margin. That’s the only way for the business to survive. Without a cult-like following (i.e. LIFE’ers thinking that Orrin, Chris, Mark and others are leadership masters and will help “save this country” and help you reach your dreams) LIFE would fall apart overnight.

    Just some food for thought.

  2. Vogel permalink
    June 5, 2014 7:13 pm

    Isaac said: “To beat the Guinness World Record, Orrin needs to sign 4,650 books.”

    That would be 194 books per hour for 24 hours straight; that’s 3.2 books per minute or roughly 1 book every 18.6 seconds. Maybe he can do it in a quarter of that time — 1 book every 4.6 seconds — if he uses a short sloppy signature and all 4,650 books are fed to him on a fast assembly line.

    Either way he’d have to have extraordinary hand stamina to pull that off in 6 hours. But like you said, it’s a win-win for Orrin even if he doesn’t beat the record, even if he only convinces a few hundred suckers to participate in this idiotic spectacle.

    He had to rely on this silly premise because he couldn’t just come out and say that he was trying to beat the record for having the most rubes stuff $20 bills in a con artist’s pocket.

  3. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 7, 2014 5:12 pm

    Isaac~

    I agree and hope those poor suckers see they are being used. This should be an eye opener for everyone who thinks they are a part of “history” by attending. How is this going to help their business? Oh they say we will have something ‘new’ to brag about Orrin? Hmm….

    If they are charging full price for this weekend, that is unconscionable!

    The cost for each already losing $$$ individual (compound the losses per family) or couple’s, (double it per family or more if they take their kids) to attend this ridiculous ‘attempt’ at the world record all for Orrin to brag about himself more & put a whole lot of $$ in his pocket.

    What value does this really give the attendees who pay out of their pocket for his attempt?…If in fact they are charging the masses, the standard $125 per ticket (or whatever the Leadership Weekend Ticket prices are now?) PLUS Hotel costs, travel, food, day lost at work and of course hammer the masses with pressure to impulsive spending on those books & “tools” and are they being told this will build their business…but really are pressured into “helping” Orrin achieve this World record and will they fall for buying the “extra copies” will be told to get… 1, 2 3, 5 10, case(s) of this Book?

    Then these people will be upset to find out in a month it comes down as the (non optional) BOM where they will be forced to buy yet another copy?

    How is this going to get a quick ROI for all those who spend for what?

    New people ask the questions: Who makes all the money from the Leadership tickets/weekend and all tools and especially this specific book sold plus, whatever they make off the hotel deals etc?!

    It will cost a couple quite a few hundred dollars for this weekend….Here is some financial common sense for those who are going to put this whole weekend on a CC or go into debt to attend…. SAVE your HUNDREDS of dollars and stay home! This would not be a smart “investment. Are you are paying the same price you would at all the other “leadership weekends?” Or is your ticket FREE for this?…IF so…Wait, you no doubt will have the opportunity (at every single seminar, or order direct from the ‘shopping cart’ to buy this same book or you could wait a month, someone will probably be selling their ‘signed’ copy on ebay for pennies on the dollar!….You don’t have to spend hundreds of dollars….You WILL get your copy (if you haven’t already been told to “pre-order” numerous books or on BOM… and Orrin will sign your book any other time! You can save yourself a ton of money!! Because you are already probably losing hundreds of dollars a month believing you too will become a “millionaire?”. Check how many there are (4 or 5? on the whole Team?) After what decades of “building the community”… per tens of thousands and not one got there from 0 beginning in LIFE!

    I would bet more likely the masses will go into debt that weekend after already losing money to stand in line, be ripped off of the normal ‘whole’ weekend training you are supposedly getting to learn HOW to build your (Orrin’s) Business but now will be paying for Friday night and Sunday Church?….How is this going to motivate those who PAY? Ha!

    Better yet, HOW is this of any value to anyone except Orrin and those who make tens if not hundreds of thousands off this weekend on their ‘bonus check’ THEIR next pay day?!!!

    Especially the ‘new’ guy…but also the masses expecting to learn something? Hope people check themselves to see what they are really paying for..

  4. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:36 pm

    I hope this youtube link works, if not go to the ASCH Conformity Experiment on you tube and watch it for yourselves! This adds more knowledge for me. I will let the READERS THINK for themselves on whether this relates to them and their experience?

  5. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:42 pm

    Amthrax~

    Thanks for all your work and links I am trying to keep up with all these “pyramid schemes” getting shut down and so called “leaders” getting caught! It is a beautiful thing!

    I completely “get it” how the “cult-like” leaders get their following during and at the height of their scams but it is freaking crazy to me how after these cons get caught there would be anyone who STILL defends/ believes in these con artist! I am flabbergasted at the spinning and self-deception that goes on around these cons!

  6. Vogel permalink
    June 8, 2014 7:50 am

    Ah, the Asch conformity paradigm — a classic! Milgram’s obedience experiment was another landmark study in social psych; it has direct implications for the cultish mind control of LIEf.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

  7. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:21 pm

    Thanks Vogel~🙂

    I can see how many things relate, it is just too bad it took so long to see the real way it works! But not all is lost, I have a much better understanding and “educated” beyond where my interest ever lied before! They say they have the “best” information and are educating others of the truth….but that is far from my experience and my real education came long after their so called “truth”!

  8. Diana permalink
    June 23, 2014 8:38 am

    I read on FB that Orrin did in fact break the Guinness World Record for the largest amount of books signed. I have friends that are LIFE’ers.

  9. Former Round Table permalink
    June 24, 2014 9:00 am

    I’m sure Orrin did break the Guinness world record for the largest number of books signed. Whoopee. He had a captive audience, his “signature” was nothing more than his initials, and he actually has people believing that this was an historical event.

    Really? This guy’s ability to self-aggrandize has stooped to lows that most of us could not even dream. As much as I loathe Orrin Woodward, I am actually starting to pity him. The poor guy! Can you imagine feeling that constant need to tell everyone how great you are, and then come up with these silly non-events to “prove” your greatness?

  10. Diana permalink
    June 24, 2014 10:10 am

    @Former Round Table
    You make an excellent point….I’m going to have to use that logic on my friends the next time I see them. Thank you!!

  11. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 24, 2014 8:18 pm

    Former Round Table~

    You nailed it! What a disgrace.

  12. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 24, 2014 8:26 pm

    The Guinness Book of World Records ought to change the title of that award to “MLM” Authors to be more accurate, clearly there is a big difference when it comes to AN “author” vs an MLM author! Until then I’ve lost respect for Guinness “author” award.

    Sadly the sheeple can’t think through it and won’t recognize it!

  13. Rascal Teamster permalink
    June 25, 2014 6:25 am

    @Former Round Table.

    You said that you feel pity towards Orrin. Isn’t that something how that happens?

    When I was finally going through my fifth year with the Pauls, and my eyes were finally open, I felt the same way towards them.

    When I joined them in Quixtar, they were big emeralds about to enter their diamond run. By the time Life rolled around, I watched them requalify for triple 100. I watched Jen stand before their whole team, with tears in her eyes, and accept the blame for their backslide. At that point I realized they weren’t free….never were.

    They were stuck in even more of a rat race than I was in my own retail business. I had a day job, and they had a night job. And if they don’t keep it up, and they slow down a little, they can lose it all…..fast. It’s a gerbil wheel they can never get off…..talk about rat race.

    Yup, I feel pity towards them. Talk about stress. I wouldn’t trade places with them in a minute. What….and have to be one of Orrin’s boys….going wherever he drags me??? LOL…our team name in Quixtar was The Freedom Train….the irony makes me chuckle.

    You find stories just like this in every big networking company. Are you getting it, networkers? Your industry is a joke!

  14. Former Round Table permalink
    June 25, 2014 8:33 am

    Rascal Teamster, you are so right about the rat race of MLM and never being able to relax! Those poor saps are always in “business” mode. Every where you go–the doctor, a restaurant, the hardware store–you are always looking for someone to contact.

    Spouse and I went on vacation a couple of months ago and we both commented on how nice it was to really be on vacation and able to actually relax!

    I thank God almost every day that we are free, truly free, of that horrible life!

  15. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 25, 2014 8:52 am

    Former Round Table & RascaL~

    I couldn’t agree more with you, I thank God every day that we are FREE.. in more ways than one,…one from the LIE that you get your “time back”!…. Biggest Crock of Crap they spew along with the “passive, residual, income” that they can “take” anytime they feel like someone else needs a raise.😉

  16. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 25, 2014 8:59 am

    I find it somewhat amusing but also “pity” the desperate souls, at how obsessively impressed they are with their unimpressive “achievements”. But what-ever-it-takes to keep those deluded and “believing” in the illusions…. as much as they fake people out with their Christian benevolence…the bottom line is about power, control….and it’s still all about the money for the few.

  17. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 25, 2014 9:05 am

    Oops…the “power & control”….Need some political correction…they don’t call it “power & control” (but hang around & read their P&P they are control freaks) but they like to believe it is “influence”.

  18. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 25, 2014 9:44 am

    Irony?…The definition of insanity they repeat (thousands of times) program the masses against Corporate JOBS…is exactly where and what happens when those Liefer masses continue to do the same thing over and over chasing down that elusive “millionaire” status they try and convince everyone can get….The real insanity is they end up with doing the same thing over and over and end with the grand illusion and are left with nothing more than many losses (time, money, friends, family) etc..

  19. freedomhaha permalink
    June 25, 2014 9:58 am

    “Every where you go–the doctor, a restaurant, the hardware store–you are always looking for someone to contact.”

    This is something that really got to me. I couldn’t stand looking at everyone I met as dollar signs. Having them come to me after they inevitably lost money was heartbreaking and embarrassing.

  20. Former Round Table permalink
    June 25, 2014 10:31 am

    Melanie, love your reference to the definition of insanity! So true!

  21. mattjer22 permalink
    June 25, 2014 10:28 pm

    Orrin is always gaming, ever striving to draw others to LIFE. This book stunt was another pathetic attempt to build credibility that will help others write that first check.

    He did the same thing with his newest guru site showing him on the list.

    Anything to give LIFE cred. The means certainly justify the ends…in his world.

  22. June 26, 2014 7:35 pm

    I was told he signed 6,780 books in six hours. Anyone know what they were selling for?

  23. noteam permalink
    June 26, 2014 7:52 pm

    I had heard $19.95. And that doesn’t count the $125-175 per ticket to get into the event or a conservative estimate of $100 per person that the average person probably spends on tools at the event (although I know there were times when I spent well over $1,000 at an event and regularly saw hundreds of others in line with me ringing up $500-1,000 or more as well.
    6,780 x $19.95 = $132,261
    6,780 x $125 = $847,500
    6,780 x $100 = $678,000
    Conservative estimate for weekend $1,657,761. Not counting any bonus Orrin & Crew received from local hotels or from parking or concession stand agreements if they had any. However, my personal opinion is that the average tool sale amount is closer to $200 than $100 per person which would make $2,335,761. Not a bad weekend for the PC.

  24. June 26, 2014 8:00 pm

    Not bad at all! And 6,780 was the point when they ran out of books, supposedly. I’m not sure how many people were actually in attendance. Although I heard that they were expecting 20,000. Unfortunately, even the most conservative of the people I know who join TEAM/LIFE start becoming exaggerators after awhile.😦

  25. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 26, 2014 8:07 pm

    Noteam~

    Yep, I agree with those tool figures and all the revenue streams. That must have been what they meant by “multiple income streams”….. That they conveniently omit or not tell the masses and even apparently RT……kinda like their hidden proprietary (I believe unfair) pay formula they don’t even let the people being “paid” know about..just suppose to trust the untrustworthy!!!

    But you are right not a bad “pay day” for the PC/LIEf Coach or whatever they call the TOP 4 or 5 now, also to hide their history?

  26. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 26, 2014 8:25 pm

    huperdiem~

    Even if it was only 10,000 in attendance, that would make A LOT more $$ for the TOP on their next payday! Sad how the “followers” won’t even stop to think, about the 500-1000 bucks they went in the hole and racked up their cc to stand in line?!!!..They ALWAYs have to be looking for lame ways to make it sound “exciting”….not just for the new guy as much or more for the liefers who have been in for a long time and making less than their “corporate jobs” they had and are burnt out on the same ole same ole information only dumping $ into ANOTHER major….

    That’s how we all now know the scam works…the BOTTOM Mass majority pay for the TOP lifestyle and in reality those ‘followers’….just fell for OW to rake it in and strengthen his cult following (trap themselves)..All so Orrin can try and exalt himself, while the followers “believe” they have been a part of history?!…lame. Poor souls.

  27. Vogel permalink
    June 27, 2014 8:46 am

    “I was told he signed 6,780 books in six hours.”

    That’s one book every 3.18 seconds for 6 straight hours. I call BS!

  28. June 27, 2014 9:16 am

    Don’t forget all the $$ taken in from the “love offering” at the church service Sunday morning! I know, I know…that goes to AGO. I find it hard to believe that 100% of the money collected goes to charity. Some of it must slip through the cracks and directly into the pocket of Orrin and Co., but who would ever know, right? Even if 100% does go to AGO, who’s on the board of AGO?…oh, that’s right, it’s Orrin and Co…sweet deal for them!

  29. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 27, 2014 9:32 am

    Vogel~

    It appears he signed only his initials (2 letters) not his full signature like he has or would have on any other books I have seen signed.

    Did the prior guy who held the record sign his full name or just initials? Would be interesting to know. Anyone know the “rules”?

  30. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 27, 2014 9:35 am

    Platinum Blond~

    Well ya know that’s makes their image ‘appear’ as good, but quite a ‘deal’ they got goin on for THEM!

  31. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 27, 2014 9:50 am

    Vogel~

    If you can stomach the hype:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq47IsEfU1k

    and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0yjFPr_kO0

  32. noteam permalink
    June 27, 2014 4:50 pm

    Melanie – thanks for posting that link. Every potential TEAM/LIFE prospect should look at that when considering to join. Does that not look like the most sick delusional cult you have ever seen??????
    Here are grown adults who have all spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on a weekend to leave their kids (once again) standing and cheering, almost in reverence for someone who signed his initials in a book they all had to purchase and then spent $250 a couple on seminar tickets to be told when to stand in line. and listen to them chant like Orrin is some type of god or something. Very disgusting!!!!!

    The sad part is, everyone in that room is literally so brainwashed, they don’t see it the way a rational thinking person would. They all actually think that video is cool. But let someone see it before they drink the Kool-Aid.

  33. freedomhaha permalink
    June 27, 2014 7:34 pm

    Those videos were really rough to watch. Yikes. It make me realize what we are doing here is still SO important!!

  34. June 27, 2014 8:28 pm

    His book signing record may have an asterisk beside it but his “World’s Biggest D*ckwad” title will never be disputed. What a joke.

  35. June 27, 2014 9:24 pm

    I couldn’t help myself – I left a comment on the second video. :S

  36. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 27, 2014 10:10 pm

    Couldn’t help but notice there seems to be A LOT of children that went?!!! How desperate have they come? Really sad. Must have ‘promoted’ bring ALL the children and have them buy a book too!! All for Orrin to get his name in a book for signing his initials and they act and believe he is some kind of “hero?!”

    Unbelievable how gullible and easily brainwashed they are while Orrin and others so full of themselves/arrogance act like they accomplished something like finding a cure for cancer of did cam even remotely impressive…it just 2 letters in a book that gave Orrin another dose of ego that is already too big.,,, Orrin and yes men wait for payday and then laugh all the way to the bank thinking they did something miraclous!.

    Nothing more disturbing to see or hear others call him a “hero”…It’s a disgrace to a true and real hero! I would give them credit if they actually did something heroic, like to see them go serve our country in few tours in Iran, Afghanistan, etc like I know personally some 18 & 19 yr olds who are in active duty are doing!!

    Noteam~Orrin & mob represent such a cultish group it is disturbing to watch for me now.
    How many of those same books does one family need? What a waste of $$$, the family could share the 1 book? Don’t know how they sleep at night? And really is Orrin’s initials worth thousands of dollars to these families spent to go wait in line for 7 hours?!

    So add how many “children’s tickets” @ 125-175 to the massive expenses already per family

    Huperdiem & PJ…wish there was a like button, lol

  37. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 27, 2014 10:15 pm

    One of the funniest things I found Orrin says in the video is; Going to a million and now we have something to “prove it” ( as he arrogantly struts and holds up the certificate walking off stage!)…Um that doesn’t “prove” anything about going to a “million people” ….so delusional. But he is still trying to convince himself!

  38. Chrisxrascal permalink
    June 27, 2014 11:57 pm

    It’s obvious Orrin is trying a new way to gain credibility. He tried to do it with his leadership awards and now a book signing. This is of course is to say to new prospects..” did you hear of Orrin Woodward”no? “Well he broke the world record for book signings” The thing is I don’t think a lot of people outside of team would care. To think I used to have high respect for this guy . His scheming to me is so obvious..he makes me.cringe and what even makes me more sick is how I used to be one of his sheep. Im so relieved I got out of team or whatever they call it now..How is Orrin this great servant leader?The only thing he’s serving is his ego by this move. Wake up and get Orrin off his pedestal.

  39. Vogel permalink
    June 28, 2014 9:52 am

    Melanie said: “Vogel ~ If you can stomach the hype…”

    Urp. Enlightening but it did make it difficult to hold my breakfast down. Oh the horror…

    Chrisxrascal said: “It’s obvious Orrin is trying a new way to gain credibility. He tried to do it with his leadership awards and now a book signing.”

    Pathetic isn’t it? He backslid from lying about being a world-renowned leader to now making the claim that he can write his initials quickly. What an inspiration! Mr. Woodward – forked tongue, broken moral compass, and a speedy right hand. Woo hoo! Everybody cheer!

    PJ said: “His book signing record may have an asterisk beside it but his “World’s Biggest D*ckwad” title will never be disputed. What a joke.”

    Awesome! Thanks for the laugh my friend.

  40. Rascal Teamster permalink
    June 28, 2014 11:14 am

    ~ We interrupt this thread for a special public service announcement ~

    I still can’t get that “upline feeling” out of my blood, and I would like to give all current Life members a new contact line.

    (Names were chosen randomly from a list of two).

    Mark – “Hey Joe, this is Mark. Have I caught you at a bad time?”

    Joe – “Nope. What’s up?”

    Mark – “The reason I’m calling is I’m wondering if you’ve ever heard of Orrin Woodward?”

    Joe – “No, who’s that?”

    Mark – “Well he’s the guy who just set the Guiness Book Of World Records for the most book signings. He used to be in the Top 10 Leadership Gurus, but now he’s not even on the Top 30 list….anyway….he started a leadership business, I’m working with a couple of his guys, and I was wondering if we could get together, and……. (You can fill in the rest).

    This has been a public service announcent from The Rascal Teamster and your friends at Amthrax.

    Happy contacting!!!

    ~ we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread ~

  41. Matthew Cole permalink
    June 28, 2014 11:27 am

    So a man broke the record of the most books signed. Any reasonable person should ask themselves, “Umm ok, How does this help us run are “so called” business better? It just still amazes me how people just don’t see through any of this.

  42. Vogel permalink
    June 28, 2014 12:36 pm

    He can’t just rest on his laurels now either. What’s next? A pie eating contest? Being shot from a cannon? Ooo, I know, he’ll don water-skis and jump a shark. He’s already done it figuratively.

  43. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 28, 2014 1:33 pm

    Rascal & Vogel~

    Bahahahahahaha that is too funny!

    Mathew Cole~

    EXACTLY!

  44. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 28, 2014 1:57 pm

    I have a question for y’all. I heard that when Chris B took the (dreaded) Corp.. “JOB” (interestingly enough)…that wasn’t blasted everywhere either? Hmm..no hype? What happen to Rob Hallstrand..thought he was the most amazing CEO & saved the Team?) 🙂

    Anyway heard that Chris after becoming the ‘new’ CEO of TEAM or whatever they call it… that Dan Hawkins “inherited” (lol), the Brady’s teams?…Could this be or IF true… not real funny, since well you know very misleading… for all those others…. but have to say wouldn’t surprise me a bit…. definitely could explain… how suddenly poof…the Hawkins are now Lief coaches now? Seems something like this happened with Billy Florence’s teams too?

    Pretty curious that they didn’t have the continuous fireworks on this “accomplishment” after all isn’t that their highest ranks? Well it used to be the latest and greatest news of all..with glittered gowns and all and the whole family & their children on stage and everything. Seems kinda sketchy how this has been kept on such the low down.

    Anyone else hear this or could verify if Hawkins got those teams? Certainly if it is true then whole teams that were taken and given to DH, should know about it, NO? Would they keep quite about this?

  45. Rascal Teamster permalink
    June 28, 2014 6:03 pm

    I don’t see how that’s possible, Melanie. Those are two different lines under Orrin. That would put Huber, Marks, and Lewis all on Hawkins team. Heck that would put Strohs on Hawkins team.

    I can’t see Tim Marks going for that. I can’t see the Team going for that. That’s an awful lot of horsepower under one hood. Would make PC meetings interesting, wouldn’t it?

  46. switch permalink
    June 28, 2014 9:52 pm

    hmmm….interesting on Melanie’s comments.

    where’s Blomdahl???….he seems to have gotten lost in all of this….oh wait, he’s dealing with legal problems isn’t he? Funny how someone approached me on LIEf and when asked if there were any legal problems going on they said, uh what?….I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    What a sad group.

  47. June 29, 2014 3:34 am

    How is Blomdahl’s lawsuit coming? At least that’s what I thought he was up to last (?).

  48. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 29, 2014 10:52 am

    Huperdeim~

    We all knew….Eric Blomdahl was suing the Peters and know many people will want to read and keep up on that. I will provide the link.

    But Now there is a counter suit… Mark Peters et al vs Orrin Woodward vs et al. (listing many including Eric Blomdahl) you all interested in following can keep up at this link.🙂

    You can find the lawsuits here under Raquel Peters, Jefferson County.
    http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl

  49. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 29, 2014 10:58 am

    Switch~

    “where’s Blomdahl???….he seems to have gotten lost in all of this”

    From my view, He was never deemed as one of the favorites even though he did “follow” (without question)…the orders. Dan on the other hand…it seems, is whole different story.

  50. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 29, 2014 11:03 am

    Although from what I personally witnessed and experienced….make no mistake, Eric B definitely got ‘rewarded’. 🙂

  51. June 29, 2014 12:33 pm

    Thanks for the link. They are a little sparse on the details it would seem. On the closed cases, it doesn’t say who won. Or am I missing something?

  52. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 29, 2014 1:04 pm

    Huberdeim~

    Think you can contact the court for more details of the records in Wisconsin, not sure how that all works, but it isn’t over yet.

  53. Melanie Morgan permalink
    June 29, 2014 1:07 pm

    Also if you click on “Court Records Event” in top right corner you can find details from the link.

  54. June 30, 2014 9:20 am

    Christian’s comments have been removed because it was basically an ad to a lead-generation website. I also removed Melanie’s comments in order to stay on the current topic. While we’ve strayed from the topic of original post, the current conversation is good.

  55. freedomhaha permalink
    June 30, 2014 1:20 pm

    Amthrax- Can we start a new area to follow the law suits. Those are some of the biggest things going on right now it would be great for everyone to have a spot to follow and discuss them.

    Thanks for everything.

    [Editor’s note: Go here https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/lawsuits-against-critics/%5D

  56. freedomhaha permalink
    June 30, 2014 1:23 pm

    RE: Court case

    Can someone who knows more about the situation unpack the information in the link?

  57. July 1, 2014 6:20 am

    Feel free to discuss here – https://amthrax.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/lawsuits-against-critics/

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