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Tweets from New Ex-LIFE Members Disclosing Their Departure from LIFE

January 8, 2016

Following up on the news that Tim Marks, a high-ranking member of the LIFE multi-level marketing business is leaving, a number of LIFE members have publicly tweeted that they are no longer part of the organization. Many of the tweets reference clause 3.3.11.11 in the LIFE Policies and Procedures document, which states that members who have used Social Media sites in the past as a publicly identified LIFE member must disclose that they are no longer independent LIFE members.

Here are some tweets that I could find. I believe that some of their Twitter bios had some reference to the LIFE business in the past. These references for the most part have now been removed. Some members also have personal leadership websites that they published to in the past. What will become of them? Will references to LIFE disappear? Will the sites be deleted? Only time will tell.

NOTE: Chris Mattis needs to update his Twitter Bio, which still says “LIFE Student” in the description.

While she doesn’t mention P&P 3.3.11.11, one can infer this is her disclosure of her leaving the LIFE business with her husband, Chris.

Lynda’s husband, Venkat Varada, re-tweeted his wife’s disclosure tweet. Does that qualify as fulfilling P&P 3.3.11.11 for him too?

LIFE members have been adding the hashtag #LoveLIFELeadership to their tweets. None of these recent tweets from newly ex-LIFE members have referenced that, and many of them expressed gratitude for the past number of years they were affiliated with LIFE. I do wonder if they did that to avoid any backlash from those who are still in LIFE. This breakup can’t possibly be good for the LIFE business, and we know that grudges are often held during any sort of MLM schism.

Readers: If you find other new ex-LIFE members tweeting their departure from LIFE, leave the URL to the tweet in the comments section below.

50 Comments leave one →
  1. Katie permalink
    January 8, 2016 10:15 am

    Sort of creepy how they use so much of the same language (on to the next adventure)… almost like they’re copying off a template or borrowing each other’s words. Maybe they’re not as “free” as they think! It’ll take time to recover from the brainwashing.

  2. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 8, 2016 5:57 pm

    2 things from both sides I see here.

    1) Those leaving are CTA’s by following the contract to avoid a lawsuit. Yes they are all saying the same thing on purpose. That is how it works, say just enough to CTA.

    2) For Orrin & Chris during this panic, now know where to send in the Top level blind followers do the damage control, and use “whatever it takes” to try and “HOLD” others in and most importantly Orrin & Chris now know who their “enemies”…which is very important to Orrin. And with that knowledge, I have zero doubt, in due they will time will pay for leaving..

    As you said Amthrax, there will be hidden grudges. They can try all they want to hide it. Watch what they tweet. This is their M.O. they will throw down some digs..it is their gutless way to trying to belittle those who leave, and keep those others in, as if overnight “Superman” and his followers were never “leaders” and just a bunch of quitters. And now have to wear the badge of “I’m smarter than Orrin”.

    History is now repeating itself, and the reaping has begun.

    Looks like Chuck Cullens & Darkangelo are also alluding to the fact but not direct. When will Tim announce his departure?

    The one I find very interesting was Clint Fix.

  3. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 8, 2016 5:59 pm

    Katie~

    It is creepy, but those in don’t see that way!

  4. January 11, 2016 9:00 am

    I almost wish I was in TEAM so I could quit and publicly declare it! Interesting to see how this PR situation turns out.

  5. freedomhaha permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:03 pm

    Rocket- When I quit I was so embarrassed I just slunk away

  6. January 11, 2016 3:16 pm

    @freedomhaha – it’s probably better that you “slunk away” and avoided being forced to embarrass yourself via a tweet. On the other hand, tweeting that you’re no longer part of LIFE can’t be good publicity for LIFE, right? Did the company think about that when they drafted the policies and procedures?

  7. January 11, 2016 3:39 pm

    Amthrax….Shhhhh! Lol😶

  8. Anonymous permalink
    January 11, 2016 3:59 pm

    So I did an internet search for 3.3.11.11 and came up with something interesting. There is a company called MICHE which has a P&P. It’s 3.3.11.13 (page 12) mentions having to post cancellation info on social media sites. Are these MLM’s using boiler plates for their P&P?

    https://portal.miche.com/FileUploads/DocumentLibrary/Documents/Policies%20and%20Procedures%20April%202012.pdf

    Who copied who? I can’t believe that it is a total coincidence.

  9. Anonymous permalink
    January 11, 2016 5:44 pm

    What’s the probability that two companies have a P&P where section 3.3.11.?? would basically mention the same thing? How much else is in common?

  10. January 11, 2016 7:04 pm

    @anonymous – there are a lot of similarities in the two P&P documents! The Miche version is 2.2 and dated from April, 2012. The LIFE P&P was originally published back in 2011. I wonder when the initial Miche P&P was created and dated?

  11. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 11, 2016 8:29 pm

    Here is a Facebook pg link to a Jennifer Wallace “Senior Director Miche (bags & luggage), what I found interesting was the “Sweet 16” on the cover photo.

    At miche.com you will find: “Miche was born in 2007 and has become a fashion sensation around the US and the world!”

    And most interesting when “meeting the Executive Team”: you will find (drum roll).. the CEO is, none other than Dell Brown, I believe the same Dell Brown that was named the President and COO of MONAVIE in 2009 see here :

    born.http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS117344+24-Jun-2009+BW20090624

    So if it is the same Dell Brown he must have been CEO of Miche and 2 years later President & COO of MonaVie.

    I think Anonymous you are on to something, good job. Perhaps Dallin Larsen is the “secret investor” the anonymous blogger (Orrin, or from Orrin’s camp scam who recently wrote on here/

  12. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 11, 2016 8:31 pm

    Here is that Facebook page link, I thought I linked in prior post.

    https://www.facebook.com/JenWallaceMicheRep

  13. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 11, 2016 8:59 pm

    Funny they say “it has become a fashion sensation around the US and the world!” has anyone ever even heard of Miche,? Wonder how many other ‘under the radar’ MLM’s are out there that the CEO, COO, Presidents have their hands in that is never shared.

    …I agree don’t think it is a coincidence, but I would love to know WHO is the lawyer or person that is writing up these Unconcieable P&P’s?. Looks like they are all using the same lawyer or person?

  14. Noteam permalink
    January 11, 2016 9:36 pm

    Good work guys. Jeff Cohen is another former MonaVie Corp Exec and when I look on his FB page…..guess what…..Miche! I’m betting this is more than just a coincidence.

  15. freedomhaha permalink
    January 12, 2016 10:58 am

    Does this industry create awful people, or just attract them?

  16. LA Confidential permalink
    January 14, 2016 5:55 pm

    Jim Martin @Jim Martin CC tweeted this earlier today…

    As of January 5, 2016 Dolores and I are no longer Life Leadership members (fulfillment of P&P 3.3.11.11)

  17. January 14, 2016 7:30 pm

    Here is the tweet:

  18. Anonymous permalink
    January 15, 2016 5:09 pm

    Another: https://twitter.com/sherryfix/status/686367888341479424

  19. Anonymous permalink
    January 15, 2016 5:14 pm

    Darkangelo: https://twitter.com/joedarkangelo/status/688138414340755465

  20. Anonymous permalink
    January 15, 2016 5:16 pm

    Varada: https://twitter.com/LyndaVarada/status/685246971230044160

  21. Anonymous permalink
    January 15, 2016 5:18 pm

    paullin: https://twitter.com/kpaullin/status/686301196563304449

  22. Anonymous permalink
    January 15, 2016 5:35 pm

    Interesting from a life coach — hmmm — https://twitter.com/Kirkporter/status/686940971620159488

  23. Anonymous permalink
    January 16, 2016 11:19 am

    haveman: https://twitter.com/josh_haveman/status/684406670110421001

  24. Zach permalink
    January 16, 2016 1:50 pm

    the new business in Bonvera and they are launching on Extroda which is their “system” now

  25. Anonymous permalink
    January 17, 2016 7:36 am

    Seriously, what would happen to someone who left and did not post on social media that they had left? What’s the big deal?

  26. January 17, 2016 2:12 pm

    FYI – Chris Mattis’ Twitter bio was changed recently; the reference to LIFE Student was removed. I wonder what will happen to those people’s Twitter accounts who had LIFE in their handle. Will they change it to Bonvera now?

    @anonymous – presumably, they would be in violation of LIFE’s P&P. What LIFE would do to the person is something the lawyers at LIFE can answer.

  27. noteam permalink
    January 17, 2016 2:33 pm

    Notice the tweet from Kirk Porter above. Wasn’t he the top leaders of one of Mark & Rita Haas’ two main groups? I’ve heard that he actually stopped building LIFE quite a while ago. Could this be the reason Mark & Rita fled St. Louis and did the auction sale of their home and the majority of their possessions before moving to North Carolina? Did their income have a significant drop? Did the Porter group go bust? Is Mark Haas working a traditional job or business again? Does anyone know? But I did find it interesting that Kirk is going with Tim in the business venture.

  28. Financially Fit Mike permalink
    January 17, 2016 11:06 pm

    Nope, Mark Haas is doing great! He and his family are doing wonderful in North Carolina! Mark and his family had a goal and they hit that goal. Part of the goal was to move to North Carolina so his son could become an Olympic swimmer. One of the best Christian schools in the country has an unbelievable swimming program and they are excelling tremedously! Also, the Haas family didnt need to Haul around tons of old tools from an old refrigeration company across the U.S. when you are free from that job for over 13 years. So it only makes sense to sell them. Oh and btw, Mark does not work a “traditional job”. No need when you almost triple your income. Hope this helps! Have a fantastic day!🙂

  29. noteam permalink
    January 18, 2016 7:45 am

    Thanks Financially Fit Mike. Who are Mark Haas’ big leaders now. With his Missouri & Texas numbers down so low, did he get some new groups in other states?

  30. January 18, 2016 12:47 pm

  31. January 27, 2016 11:28 am

    Everyone at Life Leadership wishes them well.

  32. Anonymous permalink
    January 27, 2016 3:42 pm

    Nick – Publicly, yes. Privately may be a different issue depending upon the reason for the creation of Bonvera and Extroda.

  33. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 27, 2016 4:02 pm

    Nick Jacobs~

    Of course that is what they want people to believe,even they know that would only push more out the door. would be a moronic business move, not to mention wouldn’t be very “Christian” like, it’s best to just fake it, as they wish well all those droves and droves leaving and will probably continue to leave and follow Tim. Give it some time, listen carefully, you will catch it.

    I am pretty certain there are those who ‘secretly’ want badly to leave, but are afraid of losing their teams. You may easily be fooled but I would bet if you might find those who have known Orrin and Chris for years, won’t be so gullible.

    Orrin & Chris have a horrible track record when any BIG leader leaves. They have mastered burning bridges, I could list a very long list of people who were “friends” of theirs who no longer, by any stretch of the imagination, consider them “friends” nor have any respect for them.

  34. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 27, 2016 5:13 pm

    Btw~

    ALL those supposed “friends” who Orrin would be nothing because of them, (of years) who they not only burnt bridges with, divided churches, friends & families, breached their trust, ruined their businesses, call them names, lied behind their backs,… ruined ‘relationships’ forever, they did anything but “wish them well”, no, quite the contrary.

    I would venture to say, they have burn way more bridges than they have built. They churn through “friends” equally as they churn through the business. You are only consider a “friend” as long as you are conforming, spending, and promoting “Orrin’s business”.

    If the “business IS relationships”, then I would say it has been an Epic fail on that alone.. (not to mention the comp plan).

  35. January 28, 2016 8:08 am

    Neal Ruffner looks to be another ex-LIFE member who’s moved over to Bonvera.

    Futhermore, he removed all the content from his leadership blog that referred to LIFE and its leadership team. The tagline used to say “Neal D. Ruffner — Team LIFE Leadership,” and now it says “Neal D. Ruffner of Leadership.” The links to other TEAM/LIFE leaders have been removed in favor of a small number of links to Bonvera, Extroda, Chris Mattis and Jim Martin. It’s worth noting that he hadn’t updated his site in 3 years (the last post was made in January 24, 2013). Much of the old site has been archived on Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine.

    Lastly, Ruffner’s Twitter Bio currently links to ruffnersleadership.com which redirects to his LIFE Leadership page. Now that he’s part of Bonvera, that page should be disappearing soon.

  36. freedomhaha permalink
    January 28, 2016 8:33 am

    Amthrax- I can’t wait until the day that everyone that Googles Orrin Woodward quotes finds nothing.

  37. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 28, 2016 9:38 am

    All these EX-lifers have for years been following Orrin et al, worshiping and praising them, all the while leaving destruction in all their relationships… calling others “quitters, haters, losers”.. and look at all those quitting now?…no longer bowing down to Orrin et al, and claiming they have provided them with the “life they always wanted”….

    Now they are ALL trying to hide their “association & history”, the very same ones who complain, that educational system, has hidden true history…the hypocrisy, never ceases to astound me.

    It’s crystal clear none weren’t getting the “life they always wanted” (but lying and say they were) and the Life pay plan and “system”… wasn’t at all what they have mislead others to believe, period.

    They can all pretend how much they care about each other, but I doubt anyone of them continue a true friendship with anyone, from now, each others side. They are in direct competition. And the lousy leaders at LIFE, secretly and perhaps not so secretly look at you as a “traitor and enemy”.. They all must know this, by the way they themselves seen Orrin et all, including themselves how they treated all those people who left.

    It is so obvious they don’t believe Orrin et al is the greatest or smartest leeder ever walked the face of the earth. or they wouldn’t have left.

    I am so grateful, I found out years ago, it was all a lie and since, haven’t found anyone who hasn’t said the same… not one!

    Should be glaringly obvious, that the ONLY ones who believe and worship Orrin et al, and the rest of lies, are those who remain in…at least all the way up until….they leave.

    Those who feel stuck,. Well how sad for all of you, must be miserable staying somewhere you don’t want to be and equally if not more devastating, is being untrue to yourself and not living an authentic life….

    I see it as real opportunity to escape… live a life of authenticity, do something else, rid your life of the lies and misery, at least be true to yourself.

  38. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 28, 2016 9:48 am

    Freedomhaha~

    Looks like they are working hard at it, even though the majority of quotes aren’t even “Orrin’s”, he just fails to give the credit or changes the words around and calls it his.

    None of this would be, if it wasn’t for their greed and ego- driven “leadership.”

  39. Anonymous permalink
    January 28, 2016 9:59 am

    The rats are deserting one sinking ship just to get on another one. So sad.

  40. Anonymous permalink
    January 28, 2016 1:55 pm

    I still haven’t seen the one tweet I really want to see – the one from my family member. However, I don’t want to see them join another mlm.

  41. Anonymous permalink
    February 6, 2016 5:48 pm

    I haven’t seen where Tim Marks publicly (officially?) announced his departure. Does anyone have a link?

  42. February 8, 2016 10:26 am

    Anonymous – I don’t think he has publicly, at least not on Twitter. There was a photo from yesterday by Tim Jarvinen from a Super Bowl party. Is that Marks in the back row, next to Mark Paul?

  43. February 12, 2016 10:44 am

    Chuck Cullen’s official departure notice (from LIFE) on his blog:

    http://chuckcullen.com/2016/02/12/time-to-move-on/

  44. Anonymous permalink
    February 12, 2016 12:08 pm

    Mark Paul’s (Jenn posted a bit earlier about both of them. I guess her’s was not enough) https://twitter.com/fearlesstribe/status/690527544404086786

  45. Anonymous permalink
    February 12, 2016 12:10 pm

    Jim Salter Jenny Salter https://twitter.com/jjsalter2000/status/688183112530923527

  46. February 14, 2016 7:34 am

    I would have to assume that since Tim didn’t disclose his departure from LIFE that the LIFE Policies and Procedures did not apply to him, or he has never actually left LIFE.

  47. Anonymous permalink
    March 20, 2016 6:20 am

  48. Anonymous permalink
    April 9, 2016 4:42 am

    Apparently Tim Marks was speaking the praises of Bonvera last night.
    Did Tim Marks publicly announce his departure? If not, are Amy and Tim Marks in violation of P&P 3.3.11.11 ?

  49. exTEAMster permalink
    April 12, 2016 9:40 pm

    Anonymous…just an educated guess but I’m thinking Tim was management as opposed to a run of the mill distributor or IBO or whatever. So the fact he was no longer listed among the founders was probably equal to him having to declare his departure.

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