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Where Are You On The Amway/System Grid?

This page originally was published on July 23, 2008 in the following post.

The Y-Axis represents your feelings for the Amway business opportunity and the corporation, while the X-Axis represents your opinion of Amway Motivational Organizations (AMO), or the Systems.

Where do you see yourself on the Amway/System Grid?

Where do you see yourself on the Amway/System Grid?

The people on this chart are well-known Amway supporters and critics1. It’s fascinating, though not entirely surprising, to see a diverse set of opinions even within the critic and supporter circles.

1 Tex, as many people know, is an interesting case here; a square peg that does not fit in the round world of critic and supporter. He’s finds tools useful but is very critical of the tools business. Thus, he is on both sides of the spectrum here.

16 Comments leave one →
  1. May 27, 2009 7:06 am

    Hmm. I’ve been working the MonaVie business for about 8 months now and I’m alerady a Silver Executive. Yes. After 22 years in IT/Finance I made the switch to MonaVie.

    Has it been easy? Nope. But is has been simple. There’s a difference.

    Those that tried and failed did not follow the map book and/or did not have a strong upline that was working the business. You must be patient and FOLLOW THE MAP BOOK. Period.

    If you don’t work the biz you won’t be successful. It pains me to see people knocking any product on sites like these. MonaVie is a great product. It’s already done a lot to help my family and me.

    To those that are joking (i.e. bring out the clowns) about the upcoming launch of MONAVIE ENERGY, I wish you the best of luck. You must have something else going on in your life that’s paying you better money every week OR perhaps your skepticism and negativity have prevented you from smiling on the way to the bank EVERY FRIDAY???

    FYI – I cleared over $600 in commissions and bonuses LAST WEEK. Doesn’t seem like much but I will get that WEEKLY without having to sell another bottle of MonaVie. Seems to be working good for me and my downline. We just follow the simple MAP BOOK instructions and that’s it. Boom. Success with MonaVie.

    Hasn’t replaced my IT/Finance paycheck yet but I expect to surpass my old salary by end of summer.

    GOOD LUCK TO THE JOKERS & CLOWNS OUT THERE! See you at the bank!

    Yes, I sell FRUIT JUICE and I love it! Just made my mortgage payment with commissions from selling FRUIT JUICE! Not so funny when the green is in your hand.

    My children’s children will also love MonaVie when it pays for their lifestyle…

    How’s your lifestyle these days? Maybe the jokers out here should go to the circus sometime and see what all the fuss is about? I’ll buy your popcorn or perhaps you’re doing much better than I am and YOU can buy the popcorn? 🙂


  2. Brian permalink
    May 29, 2009 8:50 am

    Hey Tim, this “Amthrax” joker is just a “penis envy” filled loser who is so afraid of success he would rather sit at home and masturbate to his Star Wars Action Figure collection.

    Don’t you love “good Fridays”? CONGRATULATIONS, YOU’VE GOT MONEY!!!

    It is the only day of the week I like to get my Email.

    This joker will never understand it, he thinks all you have to do is buy the products and tools, hide in his basement and “flog the dog” and people will magically show up and make him RICH.

  3. Healthy Skeptic permalink
    June 4, 2009 6:57 am

    I’ve been in the Quixtar (now Amway Global) business for almost 6 years, and I’ve seen some very good things and some very bad things. I worked my ass off, at times even out working my upline 4,000 and Ruby and went backwards while buying all the cd’s, and reading all the books, etc. So the assumptions made that those who don’t succeed just don’t work hard enough has been very offensive to me over the years. I’ve had my bitterness and worked through it (Amthrax you might want to work through your bitterness, it seems to be running your life). I started two other companies out of hobbies of mine (soccer and herpetology) which I would have never done without my Quixtar experience. I met my wife at a Quixtar function, I am a Christian because of my association with some very good people in Quixtar who were Christians. I feel that the people who bash Quixtar are no better than the singleminded IBO’s who bash the people who move on. THINK A BIGGER THOUGHT PEOPLE! Is it possible that Quixtar has a purpose like any other phase in a person’s life? I had my qualms, like how successful my personal companies were and how unsuccessful my Quixtar business was, but I can also realize without the budgeting knowledge, the success principle knowledge, the people skills, etc. that I learned in Quixtar my other companies would have never gotten off the ground.

    I am still an IBO and I love the people. I showed over 500 plans in the 3 years I was active which is an average of 3.2 per week in almost every state of the north east, tristate and midatlantic regions, even as far south as NC, SC, and as far west as IL and KY, the business just didn’t work for me, but I’m grateful for the experience and the long term success it has afforded me if not by monthly pv checks and depth bonuses.

  4. June 4, 2009 8:32 am

    Healthy Skeptic: Thank you for your comment. At the end of the day, if you feel your AG/Q experience was overall a positive one, good for you. As for me, I feel the negatives outweigh any positives I may have gained from my experience.

  5. Healthy Skeptic permalink
    June 5, 2009 6:13 am

    I suppose it’s not about which experience outweighs the other it’s about what you choose to focus on and let run your life. I mean you have a forum called Amthrax, albeit a clever name, Amway is still dictating a large portion of your life.

    To be fair the negatives outweigh the positives for me too, if they didn’t I would still be actively pursuing it as a career. I don’t know the exact total, but long story short doing what was suggested (and doing it well) cost me over $50G, and I was bitter about being led to believe certain things would work when they didn’t, for a while.

    I don’t share Brian’s imagination when it comes to masturbation visualization, but what are you doing to move forward? You may already be doing this, but why not use your obvious computer talents to start a company, the Amway system may not be fail proof, but the principles are applied everyday in a million different industries and you should use the experience for good.

    I guess what I’m saying is you decide how your experience was, if it was 90% negative and 10% positive but you use the minute positive part to do something productive and fulfilling, you’re moving forward rather than dwelling on the past.

  6. Healthy Skeptic permalink
    June 5, 2009 6:43 am

    I just read “How I succeeded by failing” from September and it seems you have done basically what I described; taken the things you learned and applied them to another area in which you became successful. It was funny reading about your finances being better now because I recently had lunch with a friend of mine who quit to pursue a calling to full time ministry (much to the dismay of our upline) and he described to me how he took all the money he was spending on tools, product, functions etc. banked $10G and went on two vacations his first year out of the business.

    My apologies if I jumped the gun and made assumptions. But if I may ask, what is the purpose of the blog if you have moved on, created success for yourself (whatever that definition is to you) and been out for 10years?

  7. June 5, 2009 10:59 am

    My About page explains the purpose of this blog.

  8. Healthy Skeptic permalink
    June 9, 2009 5:52 pm

    So you feel a moral obligation to warn people? Or are you just still bitter?

    Would it not be more productive to point out some of the awesome benefits, while warning against some of the cultish practices?

  9. Dennis permalink
    November 19, 2009 2:08 pm

    I am really amused. If you dont like Amway – get over it and move on. Just think what you could do with all those non productive hours you put into creating this crap. Maybe you could get even a life ???

  10. April 5, 2010 4:41 pm

    Healthy Skeptic…..are you into making new friends? I would love to meet you to discuss life and your experiences….I enjoy your seeming level-headedness. I have been an IBO since ’04 if it matters. I do not currently buy-into the idea of CORE…at least for our desired lifestyle, and therefore offer it to anyone we discuss opportunity with, with caution, openness, and honesty. I don’t know how often, if ever I’ll return to this site, so maybe amthrax can share my info with you, that he has via my posting, if desired? 🙂
    All the very best to all, and may Godspeed the fulfillment of your respective Purposes! 😉

  11. aurora permalink
    December 26, 2010 4:14 am

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  12. Garima permalink
    February 8, 2011 12:28 am

    Aurora dear , Dennis is right. You really need to get a life. DO NOT compare your bad experience with that of rape and other victims because the business is never forced on anybody. Congratulations Tim and thank you Brian, you both really wrote what this Amthrax fellow needed. I really hope you achieve greater heights in your business.

  13. aurora permalink
    February 8, 2011 3:20 am

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  14. Simple IBO permalink
    March 1, 2011 1:39 pm

    You know what I love about the business?? That we, as you are Aurora, are ‘fired up’ as well! We finally have an inexpensive way – albeit an initially time-consuming way – to create a secondary income so that we may worry less about money and focus more on the most important aspect – or should be – of our lives…….family

    What I also love is that those who understand – I stress UNDERSTAND – the business, never have a negative thing to say about it. There are many different attitudes and training methods that are used to help aid an IBO in building their own business, and some of these diverse attitudes and methods will fall under the same umbrella of a single training organization, as the one of WWDB you had mentioned.

    I’m picking up that you had a bad experience with some of the people who use WWDB as a training organization. That’s unfortunate, but with the vast amount of people out their, it really is an inevitability that people will have bad experiences.

    Having said that, the same inevitability of bad experience also exists in numerous aspects of our everyday lives. I’ll use the wold of public franchising as an example due to its similar modus operandi.

    No one, at least I hope not, would be ignorant enough to assume that a bad customer experience at a Mcdonalds restaurant in Oregon would be duplicated or expected at a Mcdonalds in Canada. Each one of these restaurants has a diverse staff, with complex human issues, that will eventually translate into a mishap in one way or another.

    You must agree, it would sound incredibly asinine to have thoughts or conversations that are similar to this:

    “I was in a Mcdonalds once and got food poisoning. Those Mcdonalds people are nothing but a bunch a unclean evildoers who take pleasure in causing pain and misery.”

    “I have an uncle that ate a Mcdonalds once, and he says that all Mcdonalds resaturants have pushy sales staff that force you to up-size every order. McDonalds isn’t for me”

    If you truly understand a great opportunity and choose not to build a business of your own, that’s great! I wish you the best of luck and health in the future. Those that choose to create success in their lives should never, in my humble opinion, do so at the expense of others. It is not my place to judge someone for choosing a path of success that isn’t the same as mine.
    I think a simplified explanation of the opportunity could be summed up as followed:

    CASE #1
    IBO: “Are you open to ways to create secondary income ?”
    Prospect: “NO”
    IBO: “Awesome! Good luck!”

    IBO: “Are you open to ways to create secondary income ?”
    Prospect: “YES”
    IBO: “Awesome! I have a solution for you”

    I truly hope that you would wish the best of luck to those who choose to build a business of their own and offer nothing but encouragement. It is a lot of work, and the majority of people will not create a high level of success because it takes discipline, consistency, and a work-ethic.

    Good Luck and take care!

  15. aurora permalink
    March 2, 2011 3:53 am

    This commenter requested that her comments be removed from this site.


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