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Humor: Orrin Woodward TEAM Video

March 9, 2011

Was forwarded this video on Orrin Woodward, TEAM and MonaVie today. Enjoy!

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  1. March 9, 2011 9:02 am

    I am laughing so hard my side hurts. That is the funniest thing I have ever seen!!! Erection disorder!!! Priceless. “If the dreams are big enough the facts don’t matter”. Awesome video. It must go viral!!!

  2. March 9, 2011 6:21 pm

    Although I appreciate the humour in this video, I could also sense the underlying desperation in the teacher’s presentation. I remember when I was inviting people to meetings & plan-showings, I *KNOW” people could sense the desperation in my voice. I was doing exactly what the fella Was doing, clinging to hope. Heck, he (and I) didn’t sound very confident.

  3. March 9, 2011 6:25 pm

    PS – I subscribed to the owner of that video as well as commented on his profile. Let’s show our support.

  4. March 9, 2011 6:56 pm

    I posted this at my blog:

    Anti-MLM Kingpins are at it once more. This time, it is a new video circulating on Youtube that attempts to discredit TEAM and Orrin Woodward. Obviously, they hope that the average person who just joined Network Marketing will be swayed by their FUDs. Do not be a victim of Anti-MLM-ism.

    I wrote the following response.

    Hey guys, the video is NOT a very accurate portrayal of TEAM.

    If time permits, I will drill in to all the places where the teacher should NOT have replied the way he replied in the video, because those sentences were NOT in line with TEAM teachings.

    eg. Girl: “Is it a get-rich-quick scheme?”
    Teacher: “YES! Who wouldn’t want to get rich quick?”

    Official TEAM Teaching: “The keys to wealth are 1. LONG TERM vision. 2. DELAYED gratification. 3. Power of Compounding.” (cf. “Woodward Videos” at http://www.the-team.biz)

    Do those words sound like, “Let’s get rich QUICK!!!” to any of you?
    Humour is really great – but only if it is ACCURATE.

    This is the reason why TEAM is hardly affected by most of the Anti-TEAM kingpins’ websites out there… they fail to reflect the arguments of TEAM accurately. Who wants to get into a reasonable discussion with an opponent who misrepresents your position? 🙂

    “I believe in A.”
    “You believe in B, and B is wrong, therefore you are wrong.”
    “I do not believe in B, but I do believe in A.”
    “No, you do believe in B, and B is wrong, therefore you are wrong.”
    (“Against MLM” – The Straw-man diatribe of an Anti-MLM kingpin)

  5. March 9, 2011 7:15 pm

    An honourable business does not need to defend itself; its integrity speaks for itself.

  6. webelieved permalink
    March 9, 2011 7:37 pm

    It all sounds so good doesn’t it Rykel, Leadership Principles etc….. Read Merchants of Deception, and get back to us.

    http://www.transgallaxys.com/~emerald/DOWNLOADBOOK.html

    By the way i will copy and paste all the big leaders that have left team, many that were on cd’s also in the top 50 cd packs for team for years, why don’t you call them and ask why they left TEAM. You will get a whole new perspective. Leadership teachings are great when, taught by real leaders, fully disclosing their intentions, not people who in my opinion are using deceptive practices and can steal your team and money whenever they want. Just read the book and change some of the names and you will get a general idea. It is definitely not “your business” it is theirs. ……. Good luck to you.

  7. webelieved permalink
    March 9, 2011 7:42 pm

    Repost from ex-team comments.

    WILL permalink
    March 8, 2011 8:12 pm

    Updated List of Ex-Team LEADERS that left Orrin and and Team:

    Now the question for all new people looking at this list is simply this: Are all these people BAD as Orrin will lead you to believe? Or is it possible that they all left because they all had one thing in common? That being their relationship to Orrin Woodward and SEEING his true colors. I do not know anyone who develops this many enemies and Orrin blasts all of these individuals by slandering them and lying about them as they left team. I think the problem lies with Orrin. What do you think?

    Updated List – RT Members:
    Jeff Granger
    Raquel Peters
    Dan Abraham
    Greg Rau
    Tom Cullen
    John & Melanie Morgan
    Pat Edwards
    Pat & Lisa Semple
    Janel Brost
    Brian Rodman
    Matt Zimmerman

    PC Members:
    Randy & Val Haugen – PC
    Billy & Peggy – PC
    Mark Crawford – PC
    Lance Smith – PC
    Chuck Goetschel – PC

    Team Office:
    CEO – Bob Dickie
    Chief Legal Counsel – Kevin Thompson
    Bob Cassidy (another executive at the office)

    Team Legacy: CEO – Ron Simmons

    Orrin’s Mentor/Pastor:

    Pastor Dickie (man, Orrin has got to know that he is a BUM when his own Pastor wants nothing to do with him and his business either.)

    The list continues to grow.

    These people are not all stupid, cowards, losers, nose pickers, thumb suckers or people who were not meant to be leaders. They are simply decent human beings who recognized wrong and decided to do what was right. Kudos to this group!!

  8. webelieved permalink
    March 9, 2011 7:57 pm

    Must I add these people and more gave up their silver and gold to do the right thing.
    KUDOS !!!!! After working and giving up years of their lives. Not to be taken lightly!!!! Rykel you are supposed to take advice from people with experience, some of these people know Orrin better than you ever will and have built much bigger businesses for years longer than you have with Orrin. You would listen to them if you were teachable. Were you in when Orrin sued Quixtar??? Did you see all the videos the Team put out ripping on Quixtar??? There was a lot of satire there too. I guess it is only ok for Orrin and company to make videos. Have you read the Quixtar vs Woodward lawsuit, that Orrin and Team lost and were ordered to pay millions, but eventually settled on?? still guilty. I am guessing you haven’t. Let us know what you find out 🙂

  9. OWesladouche permalink
    March 9, 2011 8:29 pm

    Haha, this is amazingly spectacular!!!

    Rykel: re-read “webelieved” post with an unbiased eye. Please don’t let the check Orrin pays you to blog to influence your thinking, and I think you will be blown away.

  10. March 9, 2011 9:22 pm

    @webelieved: I appreciate your comments and history lesson. Sorry if I missed this, but did you say you were RT member or something before? Also, you mentioned about Orrin slandering those who “left” TEAM. Where does Orrin do that?

    What about Chris Brady, Tim Marks, George Guzzardo, Claude Hamilton etc.? Why are they STAYING? Why not celebrate their willingness to fight the good fight and finish the race? In fact, correct me if I am wrong, but are some of them not also downline from some of those who left?

    Thank you for your time in this engaging conversation.

    p/s. To anybody who thinks that Orrin Woodward pays me to blog – HELLO! Welcome to the real world. Orrin did NOT pay me to blog. At all. Maybe Google (Ads) pays me to blog. LOL. I would LOVE to be paid to blog. Great easy money.

  11. March 9, 2011 9:35 pm

    Funny you mention the PC members RYKEL that stayed. They are the biggest PINS in the business and stand to make the most off of profit sharing. There are plenty of former Triple 100s that have left that can tell you the money is not good for anyone below PC.

    Don’t get me started on the list of ACTIVE Triple 100s that are still in the business but holding on. There are a countless number of people profit sharing leaders, RT and Triple 100 that have gone bankrupt, back to work and sent their wives back to work while the men try to salvage the business.

    That is just wrong, morally wrong. And yet they will get on stage and promote the business and sign people us as if it is a great income opportunity when in reality they are going broke and not making anything.

    Back to the PC members, I would argue that they are staying because they are slave to the almighty dollar and will put up with Orrin’s crap as long as they get a decent paycheck. Moreover, you asked where Orrin says all these bad things? It is called a whisper campaign my friend. He spreads rumors like a gossiping school child and I have first hand knowledge of LIES and horrendous name slurs that he has called previous leaders who have left his business.

    This is a man of God and the next great leader? Not so much.

  12. March 9, 2011 9:35 pm

    Don’t toy with us, Rykel, your getting your cheques from the profit-sharing, not blogging. Money talks. And Rykel’s gonna stay where the money is! 😉

  13. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 9, 2011 9:44 pm

    Rykel
    The list was copy and pasted from another post, that is a question for that commentor.
    Are you a RT or above?
    Have you read the Merchants of Deception or any of the other comments on here from those that had years of experience on the team and with Orrin and all the rest that you mention stayed?
    For example the ‘contract’ that they wouldn’t let anyone read or have an attorney present and wouldn’t give a copy so people could take it to their attorney??
    Can you name a business on the planet that would force someone to sign a contract and not give them a copy?
    Or can you answer why they wouldn’t?
    How long have you been listening to cd’s, reading books in the team system?
    I also noticed in your comment on the video you pointed out something you didn’t feel was accurate, what did you think about the rest of the comments on the video, were they accurate?

  14. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 9, 2011 9:52 pm

    Will
    You got mail.

  15. webelieved permalink
    March 9, 2011 10:06 pm

    Rykel, there is no way you have read the book or the lawsuits in 20 minutes, come back when you are done with that! LOL.

  16. One time Fly that sat at the Team Conference Table permalink
    March 10, 2011 10:37 am

    The reason, in my opinion that TM and CB are still with OW is they are afraid of OW. CB is a very talented person, but he is really like OW’s little organ grinder monkey. He goes on stage hops around while grinder is playing his music and then when he’s done, OW pulls his cord and puts him away.

    None of the have the balls to go out and start something legit on their own. They are in a panic right now because the walls are crumbling in on them and they hope they keep finding Rykels and Ryans of the world to snowball. Cult heads are not leaders. They manipulate, harass, intimidate, and embarrass those around them.

    Those of us on here who have experienced highs and lows of this organization both from an IBO position and a TEAM Employee (there are a couple of those on here as well) position have seen the real OW in action.

  17. Former Gold permalink
    March 10, 2011 1:38 pm

    I know for a fact the Claude Hamilton’s highest pin(Emerald) has left the business along with at least 2 other Ruby’s, this was his largest leg and it has not grown in volume in over a year.

  18. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 10, 2011 2:12 pm

    Fly
    Just some definitions and statements that I found interesting with a little studying. I never really liked school to much other than the social aspect and did a few years of college but never really had the drive at that young age. Now, with some experience and some prompting, I’m thinking it would be of great benefit to my future and what I would like to do.
    Just some thoughts thanks for listening.

    Narcissism is the personality trait of egotism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others.

    According to Christopher J. Patrick in his Handbook of Psychopathy, clinicians generally believe that there is neither a cure nor any effective treatment for psychopathy; there are no medications that can instill empathy, while psychopaths who undergo traditional talk therapy only become more adept at manipulating others

    The prototypical psychopath has deficits or deviance in several areas: interpersonal relationships, emotion, and self-control. Psychopaths gain satisfaction through antisocial behavior, and do not experience shame, guilt, or remorse for their actions. Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright.
    Psychopaths also lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness.

  19. March 11, 2011 5:53 am

    Can you tell us if Alex & LeeAnn Nickerson are still there? I remember leaving TEAM shortly after LeeAnn got her first CD out, that was early 2010. They lived in the Halifax area (Nova Scotia)

  20. March 11, 2011 8:46 am

    Former Gold – what were the names of Claude’s leaders that left?

  21. Jeff permalink
    March 11, 2011 7:20 pm

    Will,

    Claude’s Emerald leaders that left were Mike & Natalie Richard from Moncton. I’m guessing they probably bought their Emerald pin and only got “paid” that one time. That seems to be the thing to do. They convinced me to do that to get my Bronze pin but I only ever got paid as Bronze that one time. But at every Team function, I was expected to stand up when they wanted to show everyone else how many people were Bronze and above. Eventually, I couldn’t take the lies anymore and stopped standing. I couldn’t handle the new people thinking that I actually made the Bronze average of $363/week according to the IDS. They had no idea that I only got paid as Bronze once and it was only the minimum $200 (10% of 2000 pv).
    Claude’s main leaders (and the ones that he favors over everyone else) are Joce & Cynthia Dionne. They’re Ruby’s and have been since the day we switched from Quixtar. They recently went Round Table so they’re making all their money from the tools.
    The thing I find funny is that Orrin, Chris and Tim all went Black Diamond as soon as they moved their groups over from Quixtar. However, Bill, George and Claude have all been stuck at Hawaiian Blue Diamond since they moved over. Doesn’t make MV sound all that great when not one leader has actually advanced in rank since joining MV almost 3 years ago.

  22. UnKnown permalink
    March 12, 2011 9:59 am

    Re: Jeff

    Its true that the numbers from the Moncton seminar have majorly declined. A friend told me the number of people at the Team Seminar in January 2010 was around 480 tickets, and in December 2010 it was around 340. Of course this was just one person’s opinion… but he’s probably accurate.

  23. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 12, 2011 1:04 pm

    Jeff
    I would bet that Claude’s pets aren’t qualifing Ruby. Logically, and if you’ve built the buisness this is a no brainer; if seminar and system numbers drop and of course if you have access to the visuals of the teams growth (numbers), also through the product side, that’s where the numbers DON’T LIE! But this is where you will either have to take “their word for it” ~never
    From my experience “their word” is definitely what I think their “worth is”
    Just like Amway or used to be (this could have changed, I do not follow the changes) once you hit it, you keep that “title” even if you never qualify again. MV is the same and I would even say they are almost becoming an exact replica, now that they have included an arbitration process (I haven’t verified) someone has recently told me; that’s in MV, the very thing that Orrin thought was a “habitual abuse.”
    Just a tiny little discrepency, AGAIN.
    Your comments on the same ol’ Hawaiian Blues true and I would also bet they are not re-qualifing but yet they tout they are the fastest growing in all the world, LOL, even though Orrin teaches not to “read your own press” or “rest on your laurels” “he’s not impressed with a flash in the pan” and on and on ha what a joke; we know they are reading this and some like to even join us,not sure why maybe it helps their business grow, who knows they might be teaching something new, hmm.. maybe not quite the press they care to get but oh well.
    Hey if they didn’t want “negative truth press” maybe they should have thought of that before they stole from people and all the other unethical things they did, just makes sense, doesn’t it.
    Since they are such experts and “gurus” on problem solving, let’s see them reverse “the core problem” and reverse what they have done.
    Boy, I wonder…. what they would do if people did the same to them or their children, you know steal their money or people to rank themselves or worse,and any other injustices? Would they think it was ok? Would “they or their children just get over it” “just love them as your brother,” “don’t tell anyone this has happened to you, at least not where people could see it,” deny the injustices and just buck it up and move on?
    NO THEY DIDN’T: Well, at least it is clear to me, they created a whole slew of lawsuits against “what they thought were injustices done to them.” and a Whole lot of trash talking their “victimizers”, to the entire team publicly and the world (through the internet)!
    Oh poor them how they went through the ringer.
    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!

  24. March 12, 2011 1:42 pm

    I found’em – but made a big typo error – it’s Alex & Leighann Nickerson, they’re still in TEAM, because the site’s still selling one of their CDs – probably another one of Hamiliton’s pets. They’re probably Emerald now, not sure.

  25. ONCE A CHECKPOINT RACER permalink
    March 13, 2011 10:36 am

    All numbers are declining! The number of Tuesday night meeting locations have
    dwindled. Leaders will continue to quit and hopefully someday there will be an
    end to all the madness.

  26. Jeff permalink
    March 15, 2011 7:06 am

    Yeah, I was talking to an old friend who’s still in and he said that monthly seminars have indeed been shrinking. We used to hold them at the Moncton Wesleyan church auditorium, which can hold up to 2,000 people. Now, he said they had to go to the local high school because it just didn’t make sense to spend the extra money on the newer, nicer auditorium when there wasn’t as many people coming.
    One thing I always found funny was when the leaders used to say from stage – “One day we’re going to have to hold these in the hockey arena because there will be so many people”. And then when we finally held the leadership convention (albeit just the Atlantic Canada area) at the hockey arena in Saint John, NB, they were saying from stage that it finally came true! However, there was only about 600-800 people there and you could have easily just had it at a high school for a margin of the cost I’m sure. 🙂 Too funny.

  27. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    March 15, 2011 7:27 am

    Of course the numbers are declining. A house built on sand cannot stand. Its going down the toilet into the sewage to be with its own kind!!! HOOWAH! Blue Diamond sewage still smells like shit!!!

  28. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 15, 2011 12:39 pm

    I Quit
    LOL What did you think of this video?

    Rykel never came back to answer any questions? Hmm… must need to go listen to 100 cd’s before he can answer, you know get intoxicated, be superhuman, to fight the truth.
    I see where he even posted of some surprise, well I got a surprise for him, WE CAN’T BE SURPRISED, by any of their unethical twisted spinning.
    At this point it is expected.

    Must be real diffi”CULT” to deny all this truth on here of firsthand experiences. What a pity, and in my oppinion the saddest self-destructive thing, this does to a person who continues to deny the truth to themselves.

    What are they thinkin????

  29. March 15, 2011 12:52 pm

    I wish Rykel would come back and we can have an open and honest discussion with him. I know for any member of a cult it’s very hard to leave, and many are in denial. But since he did come on here to defend his business, I would really like for him to come back, review the information, and perhaps have an intelligent conversation.

    I also have a question for Rykel, and that is why is it when we go to a TEAM meeting, that everyone seems to act the same and think the same? The environment itself seems warm, yet as we’re deep into the TEAM system it’s like we’re controlled by the leaders. Our way of thinking has been changed to the way of thinking of the leaders. To be honest, we all sounded like robots. Rykel, I am looking for an honest answer. When we go to a workplace, it’s not like that. Each worker has his own mind, his own way of thinking, yet each worker work together as a team to get the tasks at hand accomplished. No where did I ever hear that the workers in a normal work setting think like their manager, their principal, their officer, etc.

  30. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 15, 2011 1:13 pm

    I Quit
    I forgot they are not thinking…

  31. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 17, 2011 8:33 pm

    March 17, 2011 2:32 pm
    @Will
    I couldn’t resist, had to revisit your “Dear Orrin” letter.
    Had a great PROTMOTIONAL idea for y’all who want to participate!
    *************CONTEST*****************
    Rules:
    Those who get the most votes for the “Lack of Results~ Camping Manager”
    Wait for it….

    The Winner will get a Brand New Badge and dollar store Towel (you can wave around) and you can show off at all the seminars for LIFE! That says; “I will blindly follow and give my life savings to the “Camping Manager” with the (lack of results emblem down the side) FOREVER!, It is really cool! And You will get to be Recognized under the “Big Lights” and be allowed to speak for 5 minutes, (without holding the microphone, of course)!That’s ok though You will know you are the STAR BADGE & TOWELL HOLDER OF THE YEAR!!!
    How exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Since we are in the business of taking people’s hard earned cash, mysteriously.

    We recommend you find, your new found “voters” at:
    Communes
    Mental Institutions
    Public Restrooms
    Gas Stations
    Junk Yards
    School Crossing
    Just some suggestions, I know how “Fired-up” you will all be and think of many more places to gather your votes!!

    ** **IMPORTANT****

    CONTACTING SCRIPT
    (DO NOT deviate, one word from this or you WON’T get the results!)
    Deviation is optional, but remember so is YOUR SUCCESS (added)

    Tell them you are voting for the:

    ***“PEER TO PEER, INTERACTIVE, VERTICALLY ALIGNED, NON-RETAIL, LIFE COOPERATIVE SCAMING GURU-CAMPING MANAGER WITHOUT RESULTS IN THE WORLD!!!”***(it’s proprietary)

    That is the latest cutting edge contacting script there ever was and since we are the ones with the “fastest growing, exploding numbers in the world”, no-one can touch you!

    So here is some more cutting edge knowledge for ya; there will be 4 TYPES of people you will come in contact with for your votes.
    Here they are and what you say to them to get yourself some Guaranteed Votes!

    **“Life of the Party Folks”**:(Sanquines)
    Tell them this voting thing is a PARTY WITH BRIGHT & SHINY LIGHTS, and THEY WILL HAVE A BLAST AT THE VOTING PARTY AND THE BADGE IS SHINY TOO, THEN TELL THEM, I AM FIRED UP FOR YOU TOO~ SUPERCALAFRAGALISTICEXPIALADOSHUS!! (Guaranteed votes!!)

    **“Laid-back Folks”** (Plegmatics)
    Just tell them to be there, they will get to relax and enjoy!Let them no there is no conflicts at all involved and they have a special place to sit where no one will bother them where they can blend in like a cameleon, it is just a loving environment.
    (Guaranteed votes!!)

    **“Born- Leaders”** (Cholerics)
    Tell them there are a lot of leaders that are going to want to kick their butts, and that real leaders get the most votes every time, and if they don’t ; they WILL be shown up by some GIRL who is kicking their butts! May the BEST leader win! (Guaranteed votes!!)

    **“Detailed Folks” **(Melancholy)
    Tell them not only will they get the” Badge & Dollar store Towel/ Prize”, they will be the only selected folks to get to tally up all the votes, with graphs, charts, colored-coated spread-sheets, and they get to use calculators, protractors, and other nifty calculating devices !
    (Guaranteed votes!!)

    Now All Contestants have 30 days- until the next Seminar-
    GO LIFE TEAM GO!!!!!
    ONE LAST THING, DON’T FORGET TO KEEP THE DREAM IN FRONT OF THEM “THE PRIZE!!!”
    The winner must report to Will to collect the prize.

    Felt this might be more on topic to post it here, made some slight additions.

  32. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 19, 2011 11:22 pm

    Hey guys just for fun. Do any of you remember the postcards you got from your uplines, or you sent yourselves, when you/they went on their company paid for trips? You know they would send it to you and say can’t wait for you to be here next year! We miss you, You can do it! love so & so! LOL
    To think I believed that those were sincere friendships, what a joke!
    Just another way to keep you working, wanting you to go.

  33. webelieved permalink
    March 19, 2011 11:34 pm

    Lol oh yeah I remember. That is hilarious!!! Wish you were here!!!! If my upline sends me a picture eating his pineapple boat I’m gonna have to return to sender!!!! What a poser!!!
    Maybe we should send some postcards

    “…… http://www.amthrax.wordpress.com ……
    Read Ex-Team comments, check it out!!! By the way I hope you kept your day job! I wish you were here 🙂 You can leave, you can do it!!! “

  34. March 19, 2011 11:37 pm

    This happened to me too. It must be a time-honored tradition dating back to the early days of the System.

  35. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 20, 2011 12:04 am

    There is defintely the same play book they all play by! Pretty sure we could recite that book word for word! LOL
    And the Team claimed to be different, that there was no team in the world like them, what a joke! I love the postcards with Amthrax website, gotta do that we could add others on there too! Juicescam, MLM Punisher, Anna Banana anymore? LOL

  36. webelieved permalink
    March 20, 2011 12:28 am

    Postcards worked great on us. Except, they don’t tell you, there will be meetings of the same ol same ol there too!! You really never get to rest, alone with no one bothering you. We never got a break even when we were on vacation!!! We needed to write postcards, check voicecom/teamtalk and go to meetings.

  37. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 20, 2011 12:29 am

    How about this one, how you would have to strain to stay awake at the Majors because the guru had to talk til wee hours in the morning, then you had the meeting after the meeting then the doors would open at 10am, and people would be crashed out snoring they would get their information through osmosis, holy crap this was true, this is a big sign of indoctrination, sleep deprivation! By the end of the weekend you were like a rabid animal contacting every person that walked in front of you, the maids in the hotels, bell boys, and the drive home you would continue at every gas station and truck stop that you would see a breathing body. Can you imagine what these poor souls thought of us? They must of thought we were on crack or something, or escaped from a mental institution, now I am not a drug user but I sure felt high on the indoctration! Well hey you go without sleep for 3 days and see how you feel, running into walls, all kinds of craziness. You felt like you were having an out of body experience! It is crazy how we deprived ourselves! I will say this the drive home was the best part of the weekend!

  38. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 20, 2011 12:30 am

    What about the crowd wave and the same ol songs?

  39. webelieved permalink
    March 20, 2011 12:58 am

    LOL SPEAK!!! The majors!! Now there is another thread for discussion. I remember we would stack like 8 people in a room. People would sleep under the desk, wherever they landed. Once a guy was snoring so bad I went in the tub with my pillow and tried to go to sleep!!! And then we would get up and try to get 8 people through the shower that was fun!!! Breakfast crammed down your throat and then again off to the races. If you were lucky you would qualify for the thursday night meeting and have to miss 2 days of work!!! Thursday and Friday. You may have to fly there, or drive across country to get there. And then insult of all Pay for your ticket and then be forced by your upline to volunteer for free, and miss a big chunk of the seminar you just paid for. Oh yeah almost the whole thing was ran on “volunteer” work. The same volunteers always seemed to do the work. I never seen any diamonds volunteering, did you????? You got is sleep deprivation was the name of the game and not so subliminal messages,……… YOU NEED TO BUY MORE TOOLS,CD’s and BOOKS….. oh and then get your next tickets to the next major so you can pass em to your new guy. Spend another $200. That way you are commited to 3 more months of spending your money. Oh and if you cannot make it, no refunds, just like the basketball game etc. too bad. Then they would teach you to take your downline over to the table and get their tickets and drag them through the tool room. Oh yeah it is all coming back to me now. Don’t forget always a new pack of info or new clothes.Something to buy. There always seemed to be some secret you needed to know to build the business. Oh and you would bust your butt to sit on the floor or in the front for the power player section. Because that is where the leaders sat. I guess you are only a leader if you are going power player on the team. Sorry Winston. We would stay up till 2 in the morning and get up at 7 for another round. Thurs., Fri, Sat, and Sunday till 4 and then fly home. NO SLEEP. NO FUN. NO REST. We have been to so many cities and never had time to swim once in the pool, see the sites, nothing. Just the inside of an auditorium listening to a book report, or the same ol same ol. Oh the money and time we spent. We wish we had it now for a real education, called college. Oh and your poor body. Beat up sitting in them hard chairs for days on end. Your poor feet felt like clubs, some ladies couldn’t fit their shoes on their feet anymore. They would be stuck in those nylons, sufficating in pain, because they had to wear them and the men had to wear suits and ties. God forbid if you didn’t your upline may report you. There was no real fun and relaxation. Talk after talk. And the recognition….. Now I wonder how much of that was fake????
    I do have to admit Chris Brady was funny. He made the show for sure. Obstacles was great. Too bad he doesn’t use his gift in a more honorable place.
    The part I loved the most was traveling there with my friends/teammates. We should’ve all went on vacation together instead!!! We would have a lot better memories. Maybe we should plan an EX-TEAM TRIP. What could we call It??? Done with Fun In The Sun?????

  40. webelieved permalink
    March 20, 2011 3:42 am

    I am sure the Diamonds who spoke were not volunteering but getting paid pretty well for speaking at those majors ! Meanwhile the little pins were paying for a ticket, to volunteer for free, so they could spend their money in the tool room and on more tickets. At the same time the diamonds/PC members got paid for speaking, to sell the volunteers tools. The diamonds also got paid on the tools sold to the volunteers . HUH ? Wow that is like a mind twister for me.

  41. March 20, 2011 7:11 am

    Oh yes….the post cards and Major’s! Ah…the memories! When I got those post cards it made me want to punch someone! It was demotivating for me if anything. As for the Majors.. I would agree it could be a thread all on it’s own! I remember hosting upline leaders and going back stage to meet some PC members. It was great….until I realized they just said the same things to everybody! Wouldn’t want to say anything specific to me….you could Crossline! You want to talk about a thread that could explode?! What about that horse sh*t! Really? I can’t talk to or be friends with someone in a separate organization? Really? OK……

  42. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 20, 2011 8:28 am

    webelieve
    Wow~ You pretty much described it to a tee! You would have to spend the whole week prior just getting ready for this non-fun indoctrination sessions. We would pack a cooler, you would have to arrange a sitter pritnear a year in advance then leave right after work on Wednesday because you had to drive half way around the world, just to get there in time for the special beating sessions on Thursday! Wow talk about INSANITY. And the leaders really went to the weekend to wait for the opprotune time to as you say drag them back to get the newbie a new ticket! So many more stories but the Team’s mantra really should be NO FUN, NO MONEY, AND A NEGATIVE DIFFERENCE! Oh thank God that is all over! So many more memories! I agree this will be a 500 comments before long! Years and Years of the SSDD!

  43. switch permalink
    March 21, 2011 9:26 am

    That post card might as well said…..

    p.s.
    We really appreciate you supporting our annual diamond destination but next year we’re hoping that you give a little more so we can enjoy one extra banana boat for each of us.

    Our kids need a treat too while they’re here, we recommend you upgrading your “basic Team training package” please.That’s not all too much to ask is it?

    \

  44. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 21, 2011 9:32 am

    Switch
    Oh yea good one maybe you could print them up and put your Team gear on, stand outside the Major and sell your newly pre-printed up post cards! LOL You might become a millionaire!!!!

  45. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 23, 2011 9:58 pm

    L.I.F.E. TEAM SPEAK AND THERE DEMANDS
    1. Fired-up!
    2. Keep doin what you’re doin!
    3. You can do it buddy!
    4. Breaking Pins, Breaking legs over? (or Gems)Hahaa
    5. Building Numbers
    6. Build your taproot, just keep building your taproot
    7. Promote the SYSTEM!
    8. Your Dreams do come true
    9. Find your next best friend
    10 You haven’t found your next best friend yet

    Editor’s Note: I moved this list to a separate post. Read the rest of the list and add your own items here.

  46. mlm permalink
    March 25, 2011 8:00 am

    bull

  47. Jackson permalink
    March 28, 2011 10:26 am

    @Speak your truth…..its amazing that those quotes are the exact things my upline said to me. I always thought it was weird how some one I just met could care so much about my family and my dreams and goals

  48. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 28, 2011 3:32 pm

    Jackson
    LOL! That is what everyone says but now you know the truth, and it is strategic!
    There is nothing wierd to them about this, they don’t give 2 sh*ts about you or your family only your performance and your hard earned cash!
    Trust me tell them you are going off system for financial reasons and watch them squirm, then come back here and pick which one of the worn out quotes they used to quilt you!
    Yes it is undue influence and you don’t have a choice because it is repetition to the utmost extreme! Brainwashing! The overly NICE is the “love bombing”! That won’t last long, then comes the “leadership” bashing! Real leaders………….and then the pressure builds!
    I don’t know if you are still in or attending seminars, take your pen & paper and write down all the ‘loaded language quotes’ and come back and share them, who knows they might have came up with a new in almost 2 decades!

  49. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 28, 2011 3:55 pm

    Here’s some more for ya!

    We don’t make money until YOU do (Really? liars)

    We aren’t in it for the MONEY( Liars)

    We would never do anything to hurt your business (Liars)

    We won’t be successful, until you get some success (unless you get a special deal)

    We help YOU make money (no you steal it)

    Your upline only has your best interest at heart (more lies)

    They live their lives on Christian Principles (don’t think so)

    Methods are many, Principles are few, Methods change but Principles never do

    Orrin is a numbers guy (he figures what’s best for him)

    Figures never lie, but liars sure do figure; Hmm…..

    Numbers don’t lie (no they don’t)

    Study your numbers (especially your exspenses and tax returns)

    How many powerplayers you got

    You don’t know your own blindspots (that’s for your upline to tell you)

    Face the brutal facts (that’s for everyone else to do)

  50. Speak Your Truth permalink
    March 30, 2011 10:16 am

    I love this video, it never gets old!

  51. March 30, 2011 2:42 pm

    This is the best video I have ever seen. Period. It’s pitiful how many people buy in to the lie that religion has anything to do with this “business.” Team is purely a profit-driven, greed-driven pyramid scam.

  52. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 15, 2011 9:42 pm

    I had to come over here to get some humor, thanks to who ever made this video! I wish they would come out with one using the ‘webcast’, that would be hilarious!
    I do come back and watch it, everytime I need a laugh!

  53. Speak Your Truth permalink
    April 15, 2011 9:43 pm

    I agree 100%!

  54. Teri permalink
    May 5, 2011 6:50 am

    Awesome video! Wow, makes one think 😉

  55. Steve permalink
    June 6, 2011 12:22 pm

    Great video! No wonder I couldn’t sponser anyone in MV. I didn’t know about the erection disorder cure! Like I stated before, I get more information here than I ever did at a Team function. Lol

  56. Mackwiz permalink
    July 8, 2011 7:39 pm

    That was awesome! It pretty much summed it all up with a dose of humor that had me cracking up.

    It wasn’t presented as “get rich quick” to me, but it was presented as some secret new way to gain financial freedom and not even have a job. I went into detail on this in my post on Juicescam.com. The problem with that is it is a carrot on a stick, which the video correctly addressed when talking about how the “2-5 year plan” was far past for the teacher but he was still deluded.

    Rykel was quick to jump on that one point, ignoring all the others, as if that one thing makes the video invalid. “Anti-MLM” straw man diatribe… really dude? The one thing I dislike more than the leadership at TEAM is seemingly intelligent people like you who willingly white-wash for them to get more people suckered in. I can see you going far off the backs of hapless distributors, you pretentious douche.

    In 2008 the dropout rate for distributors was 70%. In contrast, a typical US Navy SEAL BUDS class has a dropout rate of about 80%. Yeah, so basically, hitting it big in MonaVie is about as easy as becoming a Navy SEAL… think on that for a minute.

  57. Speak Your Truth permalink
    August 7, 2011 6:18 pm

    Bahahahahah!!! I just had to revisit this! Wish the maker will produce one with the open meeting ‘webinar’! LHOL 🙂

  58. Bunny Rabbit ears permalink
    October 6, 2011 12:11 am

    Thanks for all the positive energy fellaws… I’ll go back to flippin burgers now since I cant speel anywayz… or maybe become a Navy Seel.

  59. Robin permalink
    November 5, 2011 12:07 pm

    That was hilarious but soooo true!!!

  60. Kathy permalink
    January 16, 2012 12:29 pm

    Holy Crap What a bunch of s..t!

  61. 2Smart4mlm permalink
    May 12, 2012 8:14 am

    One of my favorite videos!

  62. Patrick permalink
    May 23, 2012 5:31 pm

    I just quit the TEAM LIFE “business” a few weeks ago, and boy am I glad I read this thread before quitting so I knew what to expect. First, the jerk who suckered me into LIFE had the nerve to want meet me at my house to pick up a few crappy CD’s and books she left here. Umm, I never wanted them in the first place. I tell her, “Tell you what, after you scammed me for over $300, why don’t you keep the crappy book and CD’s and we’ll call it even”.

    That night, her upline boss sends me nasty text messages attacking my character, calling me “non-verbal” for refusing to talk to him on the phone a few weeks ago when I had concerns about TEAM LIFE, told me I won’t make a difference in the world without LIFE, and told me I wasn’t a TEAM player for not giving LIFE a chance and attending their indoctrination event in Columbus, OH. I told him was a jerk and good luck on suckering more people into his MLM scheme. He went on to attack my character more; I guess that’s what they teach the TEAM sheep over there in the advanced cult school OW teaches.

    Boy did I learn a lesson: when you leave a cult, the members still in it will revile you mostly since they lost another income source. That’s the bottom line. No one in that TEAM gave two craps about my family and I. They’re all in it for themselves and their cult leaders.

  63. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 24, 2012 12:18 pm

    Patrick~

    You are dead on. Thank You for sharing!! Unfortuantely, You could read sooo many other’s experiences just like yours on here! It seems that is the ‘norm’, (including what we have witnessed and experienced). Your experience shows how people are mistreated when told their (free thinking) personal decisions to leave their ‘controlling’ totaltarian cult enviroment, imo and when others tell them their life is taking a ‘different direction’…how quickly they turn on you and others.

    Interesting…when it comes down to your decision of ‘rejection’ of their scam and you taking that ‘different direction’ because YOU are “FREE” to go..then the attacks on your character begin (they say you are FREE to go but NOT without the blantant bulling, name-calling, guilt trips; the “nasty text messages attacking my character”). IMO, They act like malicious paracites, trying to suck the last bit of energy out of a person on their way out! Why can’t they accept people don’t want to be a part of the scam and let people ‘move on?’ How is this allowing others to FREELY go, again?! Any FREE Thinker see’s clearly; the Hypocrisy of these so called ‘leaders’ who ‘claim’ they are permantly changing others lives or “living intentionally for excellence.” Your mistreatment is: A clear example of how others follow their example.

    Again, imo, just shows it is nothing but lip service… they pretend and fake the nicey, nicey (love bombing)..I love ya man, right up til they feel they have ‘lost’ or will lose YOUR ‘automatic’ dollars being siphoned from you and everyone else. It never ceases to Amaze me and the hypocrisy discusts me; of the violation of the very principles they ‘claim’ they live by, (supposedly “coach/mentor” and their “training” gets “proven” RESULTS? Not very positive ones, I might add! They also state they lead by example and pretend to be authoritarians and “gurus” on the subject.

    ALL that supposed “conflict resolution”, living by resolve… Christian Principle Center Excellent Living, and ALL the BS “caring” about “helping” others “become a better person and better life” How is attacking others getting those results?….Just flies out the window when people tell them they NO LONGER want to be a part of their scam..but then again, those “principles” never did apply to them only everyone else! The evidence is crystal clear: Their Actions & Mistreatment…speaks for itself!

    Thanks again, another example of their words NOT being congruent with their actions!

    I feel for you, based on my experience and opinion is that you are not alone in the mistreatment and uncalled for bulling.

    Your experience is classic…but I know your decision…won’t be one of regret. The work is in not allowing them to abuse or mistreat you…it is flat out unexceptable! Good luck. 🙂

  64. Freedomhaha permalink
    May 25, 2012 1:14 pm

    Patrick- Thanks for coming on here and sharing. I hope your stay was short and that you didn’t lose many friends in the process. I lost a couple good friends who are still deep inside the TEAM cult forrest. I will also add that the same thing happened to me when I quit TEAM. I also know I was talked poorly about at functions after I left.

  65. Kelly permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:10 am

    still trying to get to a million people, I was in and luckily got out before the juice scam being an intelligent person when I was told that the juice would cure anything that ails you from glaucoma, to high blood pressure, & diabetes, and you could still eat all the junk food you wanted, lay around all day and still be healthy. Really!!?? How desperate do you have to be to believe that?

  66. webelieved permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:18 pm

    People who Orrin screwed over should write the BBB. Wonder how that’d go over?

  67. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 26, 2013 10:13 am

    I wanted to share this with y’ll today since you have all been so supportive, it was something I wrote to someone that I consider a friend/brother .I am sooo excited and thought y’ll would get excited with me!

    I hope you don’t mind I kinda think of you as a brother and was wondering if I could tell ya about my day… Well, guess you don’t have a choice…so it it goes..

    I had the most exciting, enthusiastically, incredible, amazing day, today…I was allowed to show people how convicted and passionate I really am…Ready for it?

    I went out lookin for some suckers… I mean prospects for my new never been done before MLM, which has thee Best… in the industry comp plan…cuz I care about the peeps.. and not a soul was willing to give me their bank account # or routing, but I got tons of business cards…cuz I believe in “sponsoring-UP”

    I couldn’t believe the negativity I was gettin…they must spend most of their time reading the bathroom walls and watching CCN_ “constant negative news”….What’s wrong with these lazy loooossers don’t they know a good thing when they see it and know I have discovered..the future of the internet?

    I even drove up in my 1980’s Pink Pinto..that matches my pink bible…they were jealous…what more evidence of my wealthy lifestyle do they need?..

    I told them about my new 8th wonder of the world, patented, miraculous, backed it up with my mail ordered PHD Doc… Dr. Nose Picker..and they just looked at me with the deer-in-the-headlights-look…geez..I thought they must be watching to much of the blue hue..
    I told them I had The brand newly developed nose pickin machine and a comp plan that pays infinitely with a whole bunch paid back to the “leaders” and “the product story” to go along with it and where it came from; It is quite an amazing story…It came from the hills with a few trees ( not quite the Amazon) but only better.. in The never heard of before county Nauru, that’s what makes this product so amazing.. which has the most concentrated gurus per capita in the World!

    You should of seen the look on the prospects faces then…I told them they too could drive a 1980’s Pink Pinto if they would just follow my proven system..and would “do -the-work” they would become a Million-aire too!! That’s.. if they “never quit”…”I don’t promise easy but I do promise worth it”… but then those complacent nose pickin…. don’t wanna work,… wanna hand out and stay broke losers told me I was runnin a pyramid scheme, can you believe it?!!

    But then I asked them where do you work?…uh huh..got em on that one.. ….
    Thanks for being a good listener…I always new you would be a HUGE leader…Hope you enjoyed hearing about my day

    I AM A SUCCESS…it even says it on my new pink stickies I have on all my mirrors…hahaha

  68. Melanie Morgan permalink
    January 26, 2013 11:01 am

    This is the life!

    I know ya’ll are excited- out- of- your- skin, from my contagious enthusiasm..in learnin..more of my testi..moaney-makin-success-principled-ain’t-notin-like-it-in=-the-world-game-changin-cuttin-edge-world-class-out-in-the-trenches-fighting-your-Goliath-proven-system & success-story,

    I MAY have more teachin-moments to share with ya,all, that will just ‘explode your numbers’….

    Who knows I may feel inspired to share about my charity I started to stop world hunger….I am just so humbled am passionate about my newly nominated guru status and would love to teecha all I learned on my journey… Remember it is the “journey and not the destination”…

    See ya @ the top, love ya man! 🙂

  69. ken m permalink
    June 18, 2013 5:42 pm

    Found a cheap bussiness I think paid $67 to membership , wife has merely purchased home products and has developed two (2) lines of new members over past three (3) years. Think 18 on one line and 16 on second line. Some own business and use personaly our products (amway) products. I have been selling hand to hand sales $40 a week to truckers I meet. Now have 1st event scheduled for retail sales. I anticipate $12,000.00 totale sales at this event. After expense I calculate $6,000.00 profit. You either got it or you don’t. And yes sometimes you have to touch a hot stove many times and suffer the burn/pain to even realize you don’t got a chance to become a salesman or saleswoman. This nothing into the all is mabey this here into everywhere and one thing you might not even still realize is that your another day closer to the box. Read OG Mandino “THE GREAYEST SALESMAN OF THE WORLD”, or “THE GTEATEST MIRICLE OF THE WORLD”, or if you still don’t get it try ” THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE WORLD” anothther day in you afterlife it is precious and language is a virus

    [Editor’s note: I really have no idea what the point of this comment was.]

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