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MonaVie Emv = 170 Calories Per Serving for $2.80

June 24, 2009

One look at the nutrition label for MonaVie Emv (also known as MonaVie Energy), and I already know what MonaVie will be releasing next: a sugar-free, low-calorie version of MonaVie.

monavie-emv-label

170 Calories per serving. During the Salt Lake City Regional, Founder and Vice Chairman Henry Marsh, joked to Dallin Larsen that he already had four cans of MonaVie Emv that day. That’s nearly 700 Calories. If he’s downing that much juice each day… they are going to have to roll him out onto the stage at the next regional!

Seriously though… I hope the diabetics in the MonaVie crowd are careful not to drink too much of this MonaVie Emv, lest they get a sugar overload!

So, do you want to take bets on the name of the sugar-free MonaVie Emv product? They made a joke on stage that Einstein, in writing his famous E=mc2 formula, really wrote E=mv. It’s got to be:

Emv/0.

Yup, Emv Divide by Zero.

Now, let’s take a look at pricing. Consider the following:

MonaVie Emv Price per can Price per case (24 cans)
Distributor $2.80 $68
Suggested Retail $3.71 $89

Let’s compare this to the closest equivalent, Amway’s XS Gold:

XS Gold Price per can Price per case (12 cans) Price per 24 cans
Distributor1 $2.30 $27.60 $55.20
Suggested Retail $2.99 $35.88 $71.76

And I thought Orrin Woodward left Amway because the prices were too expensive and the products were too difficult to retail??? Check out Orrin’s own words from his legal complaint:

  1. Quixtar’s products are simply too expensive to be effectively retailed to any disinterested customer.
  2. Quixtar’s products were, and are still, priced significantly higher than national brand equivalents, which dictates that retailing is a losing proposition. Illustrative of this fact is the XS energy drink line.
  3. XS energy drink is the number one selling product in the Quixtar business.
  4. Distributors can purchase a twelve pack of XS for $20.40 at wholesale cost. The suggested retail price of a twelve pack is $23.99. This yields an 18% retail margin.
  5. If a distributor were to order four cases of XS in the state of Michigan, their subtotal before taxes and shipping would be $81.60, and after taxes and shipping the total would be $97.35. With taxes and shipping, there is a 19% mark-up from the wholesale price
  6. If a new distributor were to purchase four cases of XS and personally sell them at the suggested retail price, they would be operating at a 1% loss for their efforts. This is obviously an untenable selling proposition for a new distributor.
  7. With XS, Quixtar placed the distributor cost, which is supposedly the wholesale cost, at significantly above the retail market value. If a distributor purchases the product at the distributor price, it is impossible for that IBO to then re-sell the product for any profit. People just won’t buy the product.
  8. When Quixtar’s number one selling product is substantially more expensive then its competitors, Quixtar essentially insures that its distributors cannot retail the product.
  9. XS energy drink is not the only Quixtar product that is over-priced. Scott Larsen, a vocal detractor of both the Quixtar business, posted articles on his website highlighting the price disparities between Quixtar products and their national brand equivalents (See attached exhibit A).
  10. Because Quixtar’s products are unmarketable, financial gains to Quixtar distributors are primarily dependent upon the continued, successive recruitment of other participants who purchase Quixtar products in order to qualify for commissions.
  11. Since Quixtar distributors predominantly focus on recruiting other participants, there is an emphasis for distributors to purchase the Quixtar products and personally consume them. This is known as “internal consumption.”

Well, now XS has a competitor that is even more overpriced than it is! And Orrin is selling it!

I have written before on how I think the energy drink market is a racket. In my opinion, paying $3 to $4 for 8.4oz is highway robbery. What’s wrong with water and a spritz of lemon?


1 Does anyone have distributor pricing for XS Gold? Thanks to Candace for providing the distributor cost of XS Gold.

79 Comments leave one →
  1. Steve permalink
    June 24, 2009 1:09 pm

    Good post. So you mean to tell me that Orrin Woodward complained about not being able to sell XS at $50 per 24 cans and that it led to Amway being a pyramid because nobody could sell it…now he’s going to sell 24 cans (same size!) at $89!? Oh, that makes sense. At this pace, they’ll be selling toothpaste at $40 per tube and saying “but it’s the best toothpaste EVERRRRRR!”

  2. June 24, 2009 2:17 pm

    I updated the post with excerpts from Orrin’s legal complaint from a couple years back. Interesting to compare his thoughts on XS with MonaVie Emv today.

  3. June 24, 2009 3:34 pm

    Does all that include shipping costs?

    Good God!

    What a complete rip off!

  4. Joecool permalink
    June 24, 2009 3:55 pm

    I was a Costco this past weekend and Red Bull was $32.89 for a case of 24. Not to mention you can get a footlong hot dog and a bottomless soda for $1.50 at Costco. MV and Amway can’t compete with that.

  5. Irv permalink
    June 24, 2009 5:22 pm

    Have you seen the gut and bitch tits that Marsh is sporting? The guy’s a fat slob. No wonder if he’s downing 700 calories of scam tonic every day.

  6. Irv permalink
    June 24, 2009 5:29 pm

    Woodward is obviously a hypocrite, but we knew that already. The stupidly high price of MVe won’t matter because they won’t be selling much of it retail anyway — it will all be bought up the idiot automaton distributors who do whatever they are told. This is just another way to squueeze a few more dollars out of their already exloited sales force. Same deal with the new health insurance plan Monavie is offering (but not subsidizing).

  7. June 24, 2009 6:45 pm

    I wouldn’t call Marsh a fat slob, but he might become one if he keeps on drinking 4 cans a day. Those Calories add up fast!

  8. June 24, 2009 6:45 pm

    I don’t know what the shipping costs for MV are. But I assume that there are and will drive up the cost of the product even further.

  9. Candace permalink
    June 25, 2009 7:34 am

    Not only is Woodward a hypocrite, as most of us already knew, but MonaVie LLC is chumming the distributor waters by not making nearly enough product for each distributor to get the new energy drink, and distributors are pre-ordering like crazy. There is talk of those distributors who pay for shipping getting their cases first. See this link:
    http://www.monavieforum.net/showthread.php?t=814

    And here is a link to some discussion about shipping and taxes on the energy drink:
    http://www.monavieforum.net/showthread.php?t=803

    These are forum threads, so you’ll need to follow them all the way through.
    Most interesting to me is the comment about the pv/bv assigned to the Emv. 3 cases is apparently just 2 points shy of the monthly personal volume needed for a distributor. Funny.

  10. Candace permalink
    June 25, 2009 8:40 am

    On very good authority, I have a 12 can wholesale price for XS Gold. The distributor I got this info from tells me that there is no price breakout for individual cans, nor a 24 can case.
    This wholesale (distributor) price for a 12 can case of 8.4 oz XS Gold, is USD 27.60. If you break that out yourself, XS GOld 8.4 oz. can individual price is USD 2.30 each.

  11. June 25, 2009 10:30 am

    Thanks, I have updated the post with the price information.

  12. Cindy permalink
    June 25, 2009 4:58 pm

    It gets better! Now, Orrin and company are promoting their new program: STEP. Back in their quixtar days, they had a sip twice eat and profit program where the downline had to drink two XS a day and eat a bar. And they then complained that they couldn’t sell the stuff, so they had to focus on “internal consumption” like amthrax posted in the article. Now, they’re doing STEP all over again! I thought these people were supposed to retail this stuff, not pour expensive juice down the downlines throats. Where’s the talk about selling? Instead, it’s “buy it, drink it, and find other suckers to do it.” The whole step nonsense was explained to me by an Orrinite and I had to remind him that it’s the same stupid business they just sued for being an illegal pyramid scheme. When will the insanity end?

  13. FreeFromQ* permalink
    June 26, 2009 8:59 am

    Ahhhh….. I see MV is following the method of introducing the next “miracle product” that will make the dupes….errr…distributors all millionaires while distracting them from how the other products aren’t selling.

    You can take Orrin out of Amway but you can’t take the Amway out of Orrin!

  14. Mike D permalink
    June 26, 2009 10:05 am

    Candace, now your just making stuff up! “Most interesting to me is the comment about the pv/bv assigned to the Emv. 3 cases is apparently just 2 points shy of the monthly personal volume needed for a distributor. Funny.” This is one of the most inaccurate and idiotic comments I’ve ever seen. LOL! Keep trolling you internet troll!

  15. Candace permalink
    June 26, 2009 10:27 am

    I didn’t say it, a MonaVie distributor did. The comment can be found here:
    http://www.monavieforum.net/showthread.php?t=803

    Apparently, you suffer from the same affliction most MonaVie distributors suffer from, a reading and comprehension deficit.

    And you don’t even know the definition of “internet troll”. That’s funny in and of itself.

    It seems that you somehow think your opinion matters to me. Once again, you are wrong.

    And just like the majority of MonaVie distributors, you sling comments and opinions around without backing them up with any sort of credible proof.

  16. Cindy permalink
    June 26, 2009 10:57 am

    Mike D., why the hostilities? Out of all the information in the article, you take a pot shot at a small comment…How is monavie not a pyramid scheme? It’s exactly the same business that Orrin Woodward blasted for being a pyramid. How are your efforts coming at retailing the $89 juice?

  17. Mike D permalink
    June 26, 2009 12:16 pm

    Cindy, that comment about pyramids in itself is ignorant. The hostilities are because people are ignorant and it’s annoying, but that’s their right I guess. Describe a pyramid scheme for me? Can you? Did you know that in MV you can make more money than your sponsor and their sponsor and so on? If MonaVie is a pyramid why are they still in business? They are a network marketing company and currently they have 70 of the top 100 money earners in the entire industry! I believe it’s also 250 of the top 500. It’s all right here. http://www.businessforhome.org/ You may not like the business model and that’s fine, but don’t make a stupid comment like that when you have no clue what your talking about.
    Candace, to me an internet troll is somebody who trolls the internet posting all over the place because they think their opinion matters. I could care less what you think of my opinions, just like I could care less about yours. I just think it’s funny that I see you posting all over the place thinking people give a s*** other than the small group of you that high five each other anytime any of you posts anything. Keep bagging on MV because it’s not going anywhere anytime soon. Shoot, Amway has been around for how long?? Good for them! I know I know, your going to bust out with all these scientific studies. I don’t care about them. People are continuing to buy the products offered by MV and they aren’t going to stop no matter what your little group of trolls say. For everyone who says no thank you there are plenty who see the value in the product and the opportunity. You may not like the business and that’s fine, but your going to continue to see MV all over the place so get used to it! 🙂

  18. Mike D permalink
    June 26, 2009 12:23 pm

    You moron! That’s exactly why MV and Amway’s drinks will succeed. They found cocaine in Red Bull for crying out loud! They are giving 20 somethings heart attacks! I guess if idiots keep drinking them though they’ll die off like the dinosaurs and those of us who care about what we put in our bodies will be around for a long time. And living on hot dogs and soda are going to kill you by the time your 40! But you just keep doing that!

  19. Joecool permalink
    June 26, 2009 12:29 pm

    Mike D. said: Candace, to me an internet troll is somebody who trolls the internet posting all over the place because they think their opinion matters.

    Joecool says: You just perfectly described IBOFightback aka insider or whatever other fake screen names he has.

    You want to know what a pyramid sheme is? Look at Amway or Mona Vie and you will see one. Note I did not say illegal.

    It is a pyramid regardless of whether you can earn more than your sponsor. Do you think any of you will earn more than Orrin? The reason why there is an illusion of residual income is that you are hoping to sign people up who get nothing for something, that is how you can achieve residual income and why these businesses and their motivational tools scams should be shut down.

    Overall, these businesses do more harm to people than good. Add up all the money spent on product and tools, then add up the amount of bonus paid out. Which number is higher?

  20. June 26, 2009 1:24 pm

    Hey Mike D, were you in Amway with Orrin?

  21. Candace permalink
    June 26, 2009 1:44 pm

    I’m not interested in what your interpretation of the facts is or your interpretation of definitions is.
    Obviously, as per your own statement above “I know I know, your going to bust out with all these scientific studies. I don’t care about them.” the truth and facts mean nothing to you.

    Here is the definition of an internet troll. Grab a mirror, and you’ll get a nice view of one.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

    You can reply if you want, but I won’t further this discussion on Amthrax’ blog.

  22. Joecool permalink
    June 26, 2009 2:20 pm

    Mike D. said: They found cocaine in Red Bull for crying out loud!

    Joe says: Prove it. I’m sure you wouldn’t want someone to spread false rumors about your beloved products would you?

  23. Mike D permalink
    June 26, 2009 2:53 pm

    I was never in amway and I’m not part of Orrin’s team.

  24. Mike D permalink
    June 26, 2009 2:54 pm

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30929880/

  25. Mike D permalink
    June 26, 2009 2:57 pm

    your definition vs mine. I described what I was calling you. Name it whatever you want…

  26. Candace permalink
    June 26, 2009 3:09 pm

    It all depends on where you get your news and how much of the article you actually read and comprehend.
    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/05/26/Cocaine-traces-found-in-Red-Bull-Cola/UPI-96771243345489/

    Excerpt from article linked to above “Fritz Soergel, the head of the Institute for Biomedical and Pharmaceutical Research in the city of Nuremberg, told Time. “And it’s not even cocaine itself. According to the tests we carried out, it’s a non-active degradation product with no effect on the body.”

    If you’re concerned about cocaine ingestion, you may want to stop handling any US currency at all:
    http://www.snopes.com/business/money/cocaine.asp

    And that has about as much relevance to the cost of emv as your red bull comment does.

  27. Joecool permalink
    June 26, 2009 3:21 pm

    Mike also fails to mention this part:

    “Authorities say the drug level was too low to pose a health risk”

    Not to mention this iwas not in the US.

  28. Cindy permalink
    June 26, 2009 8:03 pm

    Mike D., you still haven’t addressed any of the points in the article. You asked me what a pyramid scheme was…just ask Orrin Woodward. Read the last two paragraphs in the post. # Because Quixtar’s products are unmarketable, financial gains to Quixtar distributors are primarily dependent upon the continued, successive recruitment of other participants who purchase Quixtar products in order to qualify for commissions.
    # Since Quixtar distributors predominantly focus on recruiting other participants, there is an emphasis for distributors to purchase the Quixtar products and personally consume them. This is known as “internal consumption.”

    Change the word “Quixtar” with “Monavie” and there’s your pyramid. How’s it going retailing the energy drink? Oh, you can’t sell it…guess what, you’re in a pyramid.

  29. Jimmy permalink
    June 26, 2009 11:14 pm

    What I don’t understand is why anyone cares what someone else decides they want to do for a business! I am not a Monavie distributor, but I don’t care if someone else wants to go for it and hopefully make a lot of money. The bottome line is, if you like the product and you beleive in it, then go for it. If you don’t then shut the H*** up, and mind your own business. You probably make $8 an hour and will never amount to anything yourself because your affraid to take a chance. Good luck to all you Monavie distributors!

  30. June 26, 2009 11:39 pm

    I don’t wish for people to lose money, time and friendships pursuing a “dream” that for most people who join MonaVie will never achieve. If they do decide to join, be a business owner and carefully track your income and expenses, profits and losses. From my personal experience, basic accounting isn’t taught to distributors. In its place are catchphrases like, “If the dream is big enough, the facts don’t matter.” Well, in business, the facts very much matter.

  31. Hannah permalink
    June 28, 2009 6:05 pm

    I just got tricked into a monavie pitch meeting by an old friend. They used lost of creditable words but after 2 hours they really didn’t tell me what it was all about, the bottom line. They were selling “the business model” and it happens to be distributing monavie. That it wasn’t about the product it was the model that would make you money…just like “mcDonalds” Redbox and McCaffe. It was a model that made mc’ds franchise owners rich not the burgers and fries they sold… I’m pretty sure it was the fries that pays the rent. They totally negate the the fact that it was branding and mass market advertising that make up ronald mcdonalds business model. So TEAMs new mareting scheme is getting you to buy an idea literally and then sell that idea to your family and friends for the trickle down affect…. oh yeah, here is some over priced fruit juice for you to buy as well. You can’t bottle hope up and sell it and that’s the area the prey on. They pump you up and use words like integrity and family and leadership, how they are very selective in who they let sell for them and you have all those qualities so for only $20 a month not including mandatory product purchase minimums. Sorry…no spell check on iPhones.

  32. Candace permalink
    June 29, 2009 7:51 am

    Hannah, You mention $20.00 a month and product purchasing minimums. Did anyone tell you exactly what the $20.00 a month is for and is it mandatory? Getting these guys to be honest and open is like trying to nail jello to the wall, so putting together these little pieces of info can be very helpful.

  33. Abbey permalink
    July 3, 2009 5:43 pm

    This comparison is clearly written by an Amway distributor. It’s just some healthy competition for the million dollar energy drink market. Why are you not including Rockstar or Monster in the comparison, both of which are loaded with stimulant for around the same price. What’s interesting is that Orrin Woodward’s organization single handedly took the XS drink to where it is today and now that he is associated with a different company the only thing critics have left to do is attack his character which can’t be done logical.

    “Criticism is the death gargle of a non achiever”

  34. July 3, 2009 6:23 pm

    1. That would be former Amway distributor to you.

    2. Rockstar and Monster are not sold via MLM channels. MonaVie Emv and XS Gold are.

    3. Yes, and what did Orrin Woodward write about XS again? Read his legal complaint, will you?

    4. “Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Churchill (a favorite of Orrin’s, I might add)

    Right back at you, Abbey!

  35. Joseph Hoffman permalink
    October 10, 2009 5:59 pm

    Does not include shipping and handling cost makes me mad as a consumer/Distibutor for our company

  36. tigerj4653 permalink
    October 19, 2009 4:50 pm

    I have been a distributor of Monavie for a little over 1.5 years. I worked the business with some diligence in the first year, but the problems of the economic condition really had an impact on sign-ups, etc…even the ones who did sign up were mostly because they wanted to drink the product, and then over time many of those folks had to stop delivery because they had to cut costs. I continue to drink the product because I know my diet is not always the best it could be and this is a simple way of giving my body some good nutrition on a regular basis, along with the benefits of additional energy and glucosamine all in one tasteful (in my opinion) easy to drink two ounce serving twice a day. I have a few long time customers who maintain their purchasing habits and love the product. I also purchased a case of the Monavie energy drinks because I was curious as to the taste, and I knew it was a healthier alternative to other retail energy drinks. The distributor price is $68, with shipping and handling of $6.80, and another $6.63 for taxes. The total delivered cost for a case of 24 cans is $81.43 (divided by 24 cans = $3.39 per can). If you feel the price is too high just don’t buy it. The Monavie support team is the best and is always there to help with any issue in a timely manner. Bottom line for me; I enjoyed the business experience, even though I have not and likely will not make any money in the venture, I believe in the products and will continue to keep them a part of my regular diet…obviously anyone who gets involved in Monavie wants to make money, but for me it was more about the products and ease of adding to my diet on a consistent basis. I’m sure someone will want to flame me for being what they perceive as naive, but I have only positive things to say about my Monavie experience, and I know I’ve helped some folks with some health issues along the way as well.

    Peace !

  37. December 16, 2009 9:34 pm

    emv is sooo delicious and healthy!! I love it and will never stop drinking it!!

  38. monaviedrinker permalink
    December 28, 2009 10:03 pm

    i agree emv is ment to replace redbull and the other energy drinks with natural energy. would u rather spend a few more dollars for something better or have a heart attack at age 21

  39. monaviedrinker permalink
    December 28, 2009 10:09 pm

    the bonus

  40. monaviedrinker permalink
    December 28, 2009 10:12 pm

    thank you i like your comment jimmy

  41. monaviedrinker permalink
    December 28, 2009 10:15 pm

    MV will let anyone sign up as long as u have a credit card and it does not cost 20 dollars a month and u must only buy the product to stay active and make money how do u expect to sell something ur not using yourself

  42. monaviedrinker permalink
    December 28, 2009 10:18 pm

    170 calories for $2.80 is not expensive now adays so shut up

  43. Candace permalink
    December 29, 2009 7:31 am

    Gee, is that your sales pitch?
    So compelling…..

  44. juliev permalink
    January 2, 2010 2:23 pm

    Do any of you bother TRYING the product? No one who is drinking this to improve workouts or complement a healthy, active lifestlye is going to drink 3 or 4 of theses a day and add 7-800 calories to their diet. I drink Monavie original 2x daily and the energy drink pre-workout. I have never felt better, slept better, had more productive workouts or had more energy in my life! I will be 40 years old this year and am in the best shape of my life. I have dabbled with other energy drinks and other health drinks. I do not sell it nor do I care about the pyramid selling or WHATEVER! The stuff works for me and paying $2.80 is comparable to red bull and all the other stuff out there.

  45. January 2, 2010 10:05 pm

    Quality has always demanded a higher price and losers never can admit that they just can’t afford it.

  46. Burned Out with Mona Vie permalink
    January 12, 2010 2:33 pm

    Very true, quality demands a higher price, however I was told the majority of the price everyone buying direct from Mona Vie pays goes to the less than 1% of the top distributors (Ref Mona Vie’s IDS) and all the toys, trips and perks that go along with it. Another healthy portion of the price goes to the corporate profits, top executive salaries and the “make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside” while producing nothing MORE project.

    With so much information going back and forth, pro and con, as to the real world health benefits all it really boils down to what you were talked into believing.

    It’s not about being able to afford it, it’s about real value.

    “Winners never quit and quitters never win”, however those who never win and never quit are idiots.

  47. February 15, 2010 6:49 pm

    Monvie has help my sons health so, I keep him krank on the JUICE!!

  48. Jerome permalink
    February 25, 2010 10:21 am

    I drive one Emv a day around 2:00. I do notice that it picks me up and I don’t seem to crash. Pretty much the exact same thing as those 5 hour energy drinks. Honestly, the only reason I drink Emv over other things that “avoid the crash” is because of the taste. I think it’s delicious.

  49. Jerome permalink
    February 25, 2010 10:22 am

    I drink one Emv a day around 2:00. I do notice that it picks me up and I don’t seem to crash. Pretty much the exact same thing as those 5 hour energy drinks. Honestly, the only reason I drink Emv over other things that “avoid the crash” is because of the taste. I think it’s delicious.

  50. May 25, 2010 3:51 pm

    Don’t believe every bit of information you read online. The author of this little ditty is uneducated in the subject. And Orrin Woodward could sell the socks off a jockey while riding on his horse.

  51. May 25, 2010 3:54 pm

    And just to burst your little bubble guys, Emv sold out the warehouses 6 hours after it hit market! Booyah. And Redbull is totally excitotoxins, nothing even remotely comparable to Emv. Shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. Bulls don’t have wings and red bull will kill you. Emv is all natural baby!

  52. May 25, 2010 3:59 pm

    Dear “burned out with monavie”, 50% of everything earned in Monavie is sent back to the distributors. Please people. Get educated before you start whimpering on the subject.

  53. Dave permalink
    June 5, 2010 11:40 am

    I didnt have time to read through most of the comments so forgive me if this was already addressed.

    I will typically buy 15 or so energy drinks a month from convinence stores at around 3-4 dollars a can, so the cost of the EMV is comparable.

    I don’t know what the health benefits to the amway brand are I couldnt find any good nutrition facts on their site about it, but isnt the appeal of the monavie energy drink that most of its sugars come from fruit making it a healthier energy drink?

    While some brands may give more a boost of energy then others its pretty minimal, and the cost difference is within cents of each other. The appeal at least to me for EMV is that its sugars are 80% fruit juice and it has things like vitamin c and niacin in it (200% daily values of each according to their official site).

    Just looking at this NOS can in front of me it has 26 grams of sugar (4more than EMV) and none of it is from any kind of natural source so im assuming its the kill my body refined sugar blend.

  54. CGC permalink
    July 23, 2010 6:11 am

    Amthrax,

    Do you have an updated link to Orrin Woodward’s legal complaint? I don’t think the current link is working.

    Thanks.

  55. July 23, 2010 12:57 pm

    Let me see if I can dig it up again.

  56. July 23, 2010 1:52 pm

    Looks like the FreeTheIBO web site is gone. Don’t think the IBO has exactly been freed either 🙂 I’ll keep looking for the legal complaint; probably should have saved it to my hard drive.

  57. Burned Out With MV permalink
    July 26, 2010 11:30 am

    @ Angela, Yup I’m not current with it anymore, better things to do with my time, guess I’m wimpering about the 99% who were not in the club earned a token income off it just to keep them knocking themselves out chasing rainbows.

  58. November 15, 2010 8:14 pm

    A lot of people talk about a product they never used. They label each company the same just because they failed!!! They also try to bring down those that are thinking in succeeding with this amazing vehicle!!
    I use it each day, and it has changed my life and the life of many I know! Before you talk about a company or their product you must experience it first. I suggest you watch this video!! Open your mind to possibilities with this great opportunity!

    http://www.blackdiamondbuilder.com/greatproduct

  59. CGC permalink
    November 16, 2010 6:00 am

    Allie,

    Great reasoning you have there. I mean, how would you know that driving your car into a cement wall would be a bad idea until you’ve tried it?

    The video didn’t inspire me, but then again, I don’t get excited when Nigerian politicians email me with offers of making millions of dollars. So it’s all about the system? Then why are 99% failing? Maybe because the product is just fruit juice that is inexplicably priced at about 15000% over value, and the tools are merely well-worn motivational tricks. Let me guess your answer — I’m a negative Nelly, 90% of small businesses fail, billion dollar company, cures cancer….

    By chance I entered the name “Sucker” at the beginning and so I got this very true statement pop up during the video: “They developed it: Sucker markets it!” The video is a big lie. The system isn’t proven, and that’s the bottom line.

  60. Joecool permalink
    November 16, 2010 9:08 am

    Actually, the system does work for the ones who are selling the system.

  61. switch permalink
    November 19, 2010 6:51 am

    Allie-
    Actually, I did try it and was a distributor for a long time so you would think that would give me the right to talk about the product and company.

    Here’s something I found under Mr. Larsen and his past.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tongan_Limu

    – Mr. Larsen’s previous product was called Royal Tongan Limu which was ordered to be shut down by the FDA in 2003. Along with a huge fine.

    – All testimonies, false claims, and lies with Royal Tongan Limu are almost identical to Mona Vie’s. Don’t tell me that there’s no such thing as false claims, and testimonies either because I heard them myself and Mona Vie has already been warned. So there’s no way around that one.

    Now, what reason should I have in going back on the joker juice even after hearing the false claims myself after so many years and reading about Mr. Larsen’s past history with his previous product?

  62. March 3, 2011 5:52 pm

    We have done Monavie for 9 months under Rick Gutman and what a scam, he goes around telling people he is a Black Diamond, but in reality he lives on his sister’s couch, has no car and make about 400.00 a week. It is really said that monavie let’s people like this in their business

  63. Sam permalink
    May 10, 2011 4:23 pm

    You can sit there and diss Henry Marsh and Monavie.. it still won’t make your product better. I’ve tried Amways XS Gold.. it tastes horrible is un-natural and has more sugar then EMV.. EMV tastes good is 80% juice and it’s a natural health product.. can’t say the same for XS GOLD= DISGUSTING!

  64. I Quit ( and glad I Did) permalink
    May 11, 2011 7:41 am

    Its all overpriced fruit juice.

  65. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 11, 2011 8:07 am

    Sam~ I am not sure if you like facts but I think you would be best to check out this link before you try an educate others.
    http://www.juicescam.com/monavie-emv-red-bull-sugar-and-caffeine/

  66. dmricha permalink
    May 11, 2011 9:57 am

    Oh dear oh dear where do I start.

    1. Don’t pull that whole don’t knock it until you’ve tried it argument. Obviously people here have tried it. Many were distributors for years. You would have known that if you would have read around the site….so who’s knocking it without trying it now?

    2. 50% of MV profits goes back to the sales force. Awesome! Now can we see some numbers? You know like an updated IDS? Also while that may be true nobody said which distributors that 50% was going to. They could give 50% to 50 distributors and the claim would still be true. We won’t know who really gets what until an updated IDS comes out.

    3. I won’t lie EMV was good. I won’t go into the health benefits or whether or not I got a lot of long term energy. I drink a cup of tea every morning. I get hours of energy with no crash. The health benefits of tea have been proven time and time again. If I need to go portable I can use a thermos. If I want to go the expensive route I can spend $5 on a box of tea and get at least 20 bags. That’s 20 cups of tea for $5. How many energy drinks can you buy for that?

    4. As far as the whole don’t believe what the internet says for argument’s sake I’ll agree. I won’t believe anything the internet says about MV/TEAM. I’ll just rely on my personal experience as well as the experience of many of my friends and assume that both TEAM and MV are full of lying, cheating, bastards.

    There is nothing new or revolutionary about MV or TEAM. Both companies are built on deception. There are no health benefits from MV that you can’t get from other sources. There are no teachings from TEAM that you can’t find from other sources for free. You can do a search for local successful entrepreneurs and ask one of them to teach you about money. You can get leadership and mentoring again through business leaders, local groups, whatever religion you believe in, and many more places. If you have the money you can even hire a life coach. All these people would have a proven record of helping others so that whole how do you know it’s good info thing doesn’t work either.

    Oh and all those who don’t sell/drink the juice or are apart of the system yet come on here to tell us a thing or two about raining all over the MV/TEAM parade…Suck it. If you don’t have anything to do with it this isn’t your argument.

  67. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 11, 2011 9:36 pm

    dmricha~Thanks for the laughs, lol!
    I love the whole ‘don’t believe everything you read on the internet’~
    Why anyone says that and then comes on the internet to expect others to believe THEM? It is histerical!

  68. humiliated permalink
    May 12, 2011 7:14 am

    Dmricha, the 2011 IDS for MV is out for the US market and there is an analysis of it on the Lazy Man site. You should check it out.

  69. Speak Your Truth permalink
    May 13, 2011 9:03 am

    humiliated~Would you mind putting that link on here, I could not find that 2011 IDS, post. Thanks.

  70. not signed up yet permalink
    June 9, 2011 6:36 pm

    I am a diabetic and 40 total grams of carbs in one can of drink is not good. And its interesting that I need to find out that info here and not from the team or my local sponsor.

    I dont think any real busienss practices are taught. Part of busienss is budgetign and controlling costs so you can stay in business…not just constant spending on product, training materieals, seminars and conventions.

  71. webelieved permalink
    June 9, 2011 7:17 pm

    Not signed up yet- I love your name by the way. It is disturbing how Team doesn’t teach about the product hardly at all. I had to look elswhere for that education. They also do not teach you how to run a business like profit and loss, net vs gross etc. If people looked at their tax return they would quit after a short while. But Team never teaches you to watch your expenses or even pay attention to that, they teach you long term thinking, blah blah blah, I had long term thinking, made it and then they took my money and my team after years! So even if you do make it after years of hard work, they can still steal it. Tough luck. Not your business just a glorified second shift job!!! working for policy council’s lifestyle. Save yourself a lot of heartache and time and build a business you own, not Orrin. Did you read posts at ex-team comments here on Amthrax? You may change your name to Not signing up LOL.

  72. not signed up yet permalink
    June 10, 2011 2:38 pm

    Actaully Mike D, you wont see Monavie everywhere, because I was told “we sell it to ourselves” which menat o me only in teh TEAM bubble. If Monavie is so great tehn why cant they put it out in the open maekret and compete and let market forces decide if its good or bad?

    MV calls this thing a distributorship, but how can theat be if your market is other distributors? Makes no sense.

  73. Janet permalink
    February 29, 2016 2:00 pm

    I would like to know if anyone knows how I can get the old Monavie EMV
    I would like to buy the original energy drink
    From Monavie.

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